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Guest Host, Dr. Alex McFarland, is joined by Massey Campos, Co-Founder of Self-Evident Ministries

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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:07This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be His ambassador.
0:24Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28and now, the Hamilton Corner.
0:33Are we as a nation following our Constitution?
0:37Is our Constitution in jeopardy?
0:39Hi, Alex McFarland here.
0:41Welcome to the program.
0:42You're listening to the American Family Radio Network.
0:45We've got a great show.
0:46I have the privilege of sitting in for attorney, pastor, broadcaster, Abe Hamilton III.
0:53And we've got a great show.
0:54In just a moment, I'm going to introduce a very special colleague and our guest.
0:59His name is Massey Kempos and he is a speaker in the summertime youth camps that we do,
1:04the equipretreat.org youth camps.
1:09And so it's a blessing to have him on always.
1:13But less than a week ago, Representative Al Green, a Democrat from Texas, began to make
1:20the move to file articles of impeachment against President Trump.
1:24And I wrote an article over the weekend that I'm very privileged was put on human events,
1:30which is a think tank website.
1:34And I wrote in my article, I said, because this was, you know, exactly two weeks in to
1:42President Trump, our 47th U.S. President, two weeks into his administration.
1:49And during the Rotunda, if you watch the inauguration on January 20th, as Donald Trump
1:55promised the American people, America first, common sense government.
2:03He promised to look after the interest of the American people and the U.S. Constitution.
2:08And as the camera panned around the Rotunda that day, there were expressions on the faces
2:13of people like Chuck Schumer and Kamala Harris.
2:17Trump says, I'm advocating for America.
2:20And it was almost like the expression on the faces
2:22of some of the people there was, no, this must not be.
2:26And so I wrote this article 16 days, 384 hours.
2:31It is amazing that the Democrats preparing articles
2:34of impeachment against President Trump
2:36were able to wait that long.
2:39Because I can promise you folks, I mean, let's be real.
2:41The Democrats and the Rhinos have probably
2:45been strategizing on how to bring down Donald Trump since shortly after midnight November
2:516, 2024. And we're going to talk about this and the representative constitutional form
2:59of government that really our Constitution guarantees all U.S. states are to operate under.
3:07And that's just part of the X factor and the secret sauce that's made our nation stable.
3:13I would argue great but stable for 250 years.
3:17And to help us weigh in on this is someone I've just come to appreciate so much.
3:21Every time I hear him speak, I learn a lot.
3:25And I've been studying God and country issues for a long time, but I'm always instructed
3:32and inspired by Massey Campos.
3:34And he is a great thinker, a phenomenal youth communicator, and he's one of the speakers
3:40that are equip retreat summer camps. But Massey, thanks for being with us. Welcome, my friend.
3:46Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Alex. You're the man. I always fired by
3:50knocking off. You're the one that's inspiring. Hey, man, the Lord is so good. You know, and
3:56we, it behooves us to know about our government. Now, there's so much I want to ask you, but before
4:03we go too far, and we'll do this again. And by the way, later on in the program, folks, we will take
4:08phone calls if you want to ask a question of myself or Massey Campos, but where may people
4:16find you online and a list of folks if you want a speaker on biblical worldview or apologetics,
4:24especially someone who is just incredibly gifted at speaking to youth. Really I can,
4:30there's no name I can recommend as enthusiastically as Massey Campos, but where can people find
4:36you?
4:37Sure, our website is theselfevidenttruth.com, the self-evident truth.
4:43If you know anything about self-evident, it just means duh.
4:46You know, these are just duh truths that the founders were talking about.
4:49So to them, it was just a simple thing that God exists.
4:53It was just an accepted truth and that He gives us rights.
4:56And so we just need to get that back.
4:58And that's the purpose of the ministry and to preach the gospel, obviously.
5:00Yeah.
5:02Now, I've heard you speak a number of times.
5:04And honestly, you remind me of David Barton or Bill Federer or Stephen McDowell.
5:12I mean, you're really, really dialed in on America's biblical foundation and the Constitution,
5:20how it operates, what very often we call American exceptionalism.
5:26How did you get into this topic, Massey?
5:28So I got saved in 2001 and in 2004, I actually got a video.
5:34It was my first time participating in any kind of politics.
5:37I was actually voting independent because I just,
5:40the whole debacle with President Bush at the time
5:43and the Democrats, I just didn't align.
5:46I was starting to study the Constitution for real.
5:48And then I was going independent
5:50and then someone handed us a video, a VHS,
5:53if you can believe this kids, if you don't know what that is.
5:56You got some issues going on from the day.
5:58Oh yeah, and I know there's some preceding that,
6:00but like, so someone handed me a VHS of David Barton's
6:04video called America's Godly Heritage, and I was changed.
6:07I've been asking the Lord a long time,
6:09why is it I can go into a public school,
6:10but they say you can't talk about the Lord.
6:12It never made sense to me.
6:13Like I thought this government was of the people,
6:16and I was asking the Lord all these questions.
6:17And I found out the Constitution in the first amendment
6:19was actually written to protect my right to preach anywhere.
6:23It was written so that I wouldn't be persecuted,
6:24but obviously the court systems in the 60s
6:27and things like that, obviously,
6:29ruled in favor of the progressive side, right?
6:32And the courts kind of took over
6:34in an oligarchy kind of way making law,
6:35which is not their authority in Article III.
6:38So I just started to study, took a bunch
6:40of constitution courses, started teaching constitution courses
6:43in 2007, and I started public speaking about it in 2014 or so,
6:48and just really going out and teaching as many people
6:51as I could, especially state representatives
6:53and federal representatives, I'd meet with them constantly
6:55about what is the Constitution saying?
6:57You'd be shocked how many of them don't know
6:58the Constitution for real.
7:01It's just like having a pastor that doesn't know scripture,
7:03it makes no sense.
7:03So that's what got me interested.
7:05And I've found that it's a great medium to teach the gospel
7:08because if we're supposed to be a moral people
7:09that keeps law, well, who makes us moral?
7:11Jesus Christ, right?
7:12There is redemption.
7:13So just a great way to preach the gospel to people
7:15is just a tool to use, you know?
7:18Yeah.
7:19Well, you know, let me ask you this.
7:22How much when citizens don't know the Constitution?
7:27And maybe barely even care.
7:31How does that put our freedom at risk over the long term?
7:35I mean, does it risk or jeopardize our liberties,
7:40our freedoms?
7:42Yeah, 100%.
7:43And the main reason being is if we don't understand
7:46even the foundation of law,
7:48we then don't know who it comes from and why we have it.
7:52So let me give you an example.
7:53Today, there was a couple of years ago now,
7:57during COVID, this lady said,
7:58I can't believe these extremist right wingers
8:01believe that rights actually come from God, but they don't.
8:05And you remember that?
8:06It was on like MSNBC or something like that.
8:08She came out.
8:09Yeah.
8:10Well, that kind of thinking has allowed the monarchies
8:13to happen, that King's grant us rights,
8:16government's grant us rights.
8:17And there's actually a quote from John Dickinson
8:19that says,
8:19Kings or parliaments could not give us rights,
8:22essential to happiness.
8:23He said, we claim them from a higher source,
8:25the King of Kings, the Lord of all the earth.
8:26He was actually a signer, I'm sorry,
8:29fought for the constitution, did not sign the declaration,
8:30but fought in the Revolutionary War.
8:32But he was actually instrumental in the writing
8:35of our constitution as well.
8:36These guys were represented.
8:37So we don't know where rights come from,
8:38and if they come from man, they can take them away.
8:40Whereas when they're in alienable, they can't be taken away.
8:43So I myself or our ministry or you, Alex,
8:47we don't fight for our rights
8:48because we want them back.
8:50I stand for them because I already have them.
8:52It doesn't matter what government says
8:54if I don't have freedom of speech or hate speech laws
8:56or I don't care.
8:57I'm given by God this right to preach the gospel,
9:00to speak freely.
9:02Even ideas I don't agree with, I welcome it
9:04because then let the ideas ring for themselves.
9:07So the more we allow government,
9:08and if we don't have a biblical worldview on this,
9:10Genesis one, God creating us with this desire
9:13to have liberty and justice for all,
9:16which is in Genesis one, 20, 60, 28,
9:18then we now depend on government for everything.
9:21And if you look today, government takes care of us
9:23from creative to grave.
9:24If we depend on man, man will always fail us.
9:27And we can see the situation that President Trump's in
9:29right now, the fact that we had to create a doge program
9:32to hold government accountable.
9:34And a lot of Republicans that are in Congress
9:36are spiking the football saying,
9:37look, it's being exposed and I'm thinking,
9:38you guys knew about it.
9:40Why did President Trump have to come and expose this?
9:42You know what I mean?
9:43So that's what happens when we don't stand on principles.
9:47Well, and it's amazing to me and the founders would have been incredibly incensed over this,
9:53how the Washington-Utopians waste so much money.
10:00And with citizens and conservatives say, look, we've got to control our spending, the wasteful
10:07Utopians go berserk like how dare the American taxpayers to demand efficiency and accountability
10:15in the way that tax revenue is spent. But I mean, you and I both know, I mean, immeasurable
10:24amounts of money have been wasted by, sorry, we got an echo. I got a, I got a
10:31reinress in. Immeasurable amounts of money have just been thrown away. I think about the trillions
10:37of dollars that have been wasted really since the 60s. And isn't it amazing how the Washington
10:44bureaucrats and office occupants, they just go bananas when we demand that efficiency and
10:53accountability be how tax revenue is handled.
10:57100%.
10:58And let's just go with the IRS, which I still think a lot of these three letter agencies
11:02are illegal to violate your privacy.
11:05But let's just go with the IRS.
11:06If you file wrong on your taxes, what happens?
11:09They can audit you, your business.
11:12And there's a quote attributed to Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson.
11:15I'm not saying it's fully there.
11:16I've researched it and I found it a couple of places.
11:18But he basically said, what tyranny means is when government can basically do what you
11:22can't.
11:24That's literally what tyranny is.
11:25And so you can only get so frustrated when you're hiding something.
11:29That's why they're so incensed.
11:30Because they don't want to be found out.
11:32They don't want everybody to know that George Soros received money or political or we're
11:36funding.
11:37And this is just a dumb thing to say.
11:40lesbian dance theory and other countries for crying in the mud.
11:43So for the American people to know that for years,
11:46this has been happening.
11:47I think my beef though, Alex,
11:48really is with the Republican side.
11:50You guys know that this program, this US aid existed.
11:54And why did it take President Trump and Elon Musk
11:57and them to come in and actually do something
12:00when the Republicans are spiking footballs?
12:01I'm like, you guys, that's the problem
12:03with the establishment both sides of the coin here.
12:07It's that people are seeing that both sides
12:09carry some kind of corruption and we need to hold them accountable.
12:12And that's what I'm hoping for as President Trump will not only expose this stuff through
12:15doge, but also hold people accountable so that it makes an example that we don't do this anymore
12:20because it really is wasting the taxpayer money.
12:22But also too, it's a massive distrust into government.
12:26And government was meant for our good Romans 13, not to punish us, not to do evil, but for
12:30our good.
12:31Did you happen to see James Carvel of the weekend?
12:35Massey?
12:36I didn't.
12:37I'm sorry.
12:38Well, yes, well, your blood, anytime you don't see George Carvel, that's a blessing.
12:45James Carvel, James Carvel, on sort of say, but long time Democrat strategy, just
12:49Democrats famously about a year ago, he said that Christians pose a bigger threat to America
12:55than Al Qaeda. But I had to laugh because since the just the decisive Republican winds of November,
13:03James Carville has been in the media, you know, really being critical of the Democrat Party,
13:09and I'm glad. And he says, you know, look, the Democrats are out of touch with most Americans,
13:15most Americans just can't even relate anymore to the hyper woke, hyper liberal, globalist,
13:22Marxist positions of the Democrat Party. So anyway, and it's true, I don't want people
13:29to listen to James Carvelow because, you know, I personally, I want conservative constitutionalists
13:36to continue winning. But I thought it was funny that there was a Democrat party, you know,
13:43think tank, and they're trying to think of some policies to launch that the American
13:49people will rally around and get this. And this would be funny, except it's true. It's
13:56paid leave from work for pet bereavement.
14:02Now, I love that.
14:04That's the American people, you know?
14:06So James Carvel just went ballistic and he said,
14:09the Democrats are so dumb, paid leave for pet bereavement.
14:14He said, that's your silver bullet for the future?
14:18Hey, Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio
14:21Network with our very special guest,
14:23Massey Campus of Self-Eveident.
14:27So we're going to talk about our Constitution.
14:29Are we following it?
14:31How we can start to follow it again?
14:33Where we've lost our way?
14:35Plus we'll take calls and questions.
14:36May God bless you, stay tuned.
14:38We've got a brief break and we'll come back with more for God and country on the American
14:43Family Radio Network.
15:00A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
15:04What should a pro-life church look like?
15:07It's a church that will prayerfully consider encouraging members to volunteer at local
15:11pregnancy centers and to volunteer for other pro-life ministries.
15:15It's a church that would prayerfully consider supporting a baby closed closet with diapers,
15:22clothes, wipes, and other needed items.
15:25It's a church that will prayerfully consider becoming a sanctuary church.
15:29They will help moms who find themselves expecting a baby at a difficult time.
15:33They will come alongside a mother who feels all alone and walk with her through her term
15:37of pregnancy and beyond.
15:40It's a church that will learn about important pro-life outreach miniatures that are doing
15:44vital work to in legalized abortion in different ways.
15:48Am I really seeking to honor the Lord in doing what he would have me to do as an individual
15:53disciple of Christ to help stand for life?
16:05Shining light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Quarter, an American family radio.
16:12Welcome back to the program.
16:13We love America.
16:15We are thankful to God for our freedoms, our stability, and our prosperity, which enables
16:20us to not only live and put food on the table for our families, but America, like no other
16:27nation, has really for two centuries been at the forefront of benevolence.
16:33That's another subject for another day, but America is the most generous, most giving,
16:38most philanthropic nation on the planet.
16:41I would argue that our prosperity and the increase has come from our work ethic, but
16:49our morals, and frankly, the anointing and the blessing of God.
16:53Well, talking about this with me is our great friend and colleague.
16:57We just appreciate him so much.
16:59Massey Campo's of self-evident.
17:02And before we get Massey back on, let me mention he will be a speaker at our summer youth camps,
17:08the equip retreats.
17:09Now middle school high schoolers, biblical worldview, you said what is that?
17:15Well, that's God's Word, God's truth, and kids are hungry for it.
17:20We have roughly 1200 students in all of our summer camps, and look, last summer we had
17:25168 kids pray to accept Christ as their Savior.
17:30Many of the teenagers, they come back two and three and four years, and we talk about
17:34creation versus evolution.
17:36We talk about moral issues.
17:38We talk about how to be a disciple and be a follower of Jesus.
17:42We talk about God and country.
17:44And these kids, man, they soak it up.
17:46They're so hungry for truth.
17:48The website, maybe you want to send some youth or bring an entire youth group.
17:54Or maybe you want to sponsor a teenager to go to camp.
17:58And we do our best to teach them God and country.
18:02And Massey is one of the speakers.
18:04The website is equipretreat.org, equipretreat.org.
18:09Also on my own website, AlexMcFarland.com.
18:12I'll be at the Cove, the Billy Graham Training Center
18:15in Western North Carolina.
18:18I'll be there in July, then I'll be back in August
18:20with Jay Warner Wallace.
18:22So check out the Cove.
18:24And then stay tuned.
18:25Now it's not up on my website yet,
18:28but it will be any day now.
18:30I've got a speaker series in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina,
18:34In May, May 4th, we have Dinesh D'Souza,
18:37June, we have Gary Chapman of the Five Love Languages.
18:40August, Charlie Kirk, August 21, how cool is that?
18:44Then September 14th, we have Lauren Green from Fox News.
18:48It's gonna be great, and we call this series,
18:51Conversations That Matter.
18:53Okay, also, Massey, I want you to give your website
18:56if you would, where people can find you.
18:59Folks, you've got to follow this thinker
19:02that God has raised up.
19:04And I would encourage you, invite him to your city,
19:07bring Massey Campos in to talk about God and country,
19:11and he'll do it incredibly wonderfully, fruitfully,
19:15but Massey, what's your website, brother?
19:17Yep, it's theselfevidenttruth.com.
19:20Theselfevidenttruth.com.
19:22You can find out all the information on there.
19:24Yeah, hey, before the break, we were talking about the fact
19:27that the Democrat Party is trying to find its voice again.
19:32And James Carville was berating Democrat, you know, in the think tank, they said,
19:41hey, here's what's going to get us election wins in the future. Paid leave for pet bereavement.
19:49And James Carville had scorn for that. Here's my point. Look, when you don't have conviction,
19:59And I would say we as Americans, we should have conviction of what this precious nation is and what we ought to do to preserve it.
20:11What are the convictions, Massey, that you wish were in the heart of all citizens?
20:18Morality.
20:20um... signer charles carol the declaration of independence one said he said without morals
20:25a republic cannot subsist any length of time
20:28i think the conviction is god jefferson even wrote about it's on his rotunda
20:32he said god who gave us life gave us liberty and can a lib we can the nation be
20:36secure
20:37when we remove the only firm conviction in the heart of man that these liberties are
20:40gift of god
20:42the conviction is is
20:43i wish that
20:44people would hold to their word in their principles
20:47like even the gentleman that you were just talking about
20:50that was berating the Democrats.
20:52I just, it's sickening because it's opportunism.
20:55They don't even hold to their own principles.
20:56They're just trying to get another leg up
20:58and slam somebody because that gets clicks and views.
21:01But when you have really solid people,
21:03and I'll use one, Charlie Kirk is a great example.
21:06You're a great example.
21:08Dave Glander, all of us who stand for truth,
21:11the conviction is I know what changed me
21:13and I know what will change you.
21:15It doesn't matter what you say or any laws you pass.
21:18I know the gospel of Christ will transform you.
21:21Well, in that he teaches us all to have a workmanship.
21:24God creates us all with a workmanship.
21:26His own works for us to do.
21:28So the conviction is not my ability, but my trust in Christ.
21:32That's what I wish for when people would praise Christ
21:35with their lips, but when they get to a public office,
21:38they kind of sink into the swamp, if you will,
21:41which is what we're trying to eradicate.
21:44Yeah.
21:44And let me just say as a Christian,
21:47And as a minister, I know where all my convictions are.
21:52They're in the pages of God's holy word, 100%.
21:56And it's such a blessing.
21:59So Massey, I'm preaching at a church
22:01and doing some consulting to help a church
22:04that is trying to make a turnaround.
22:08And listen, man, I give God the glory,
22:10but I've had quite a number of people
22:13say that they were blessed by my preaching.
22:16and I give God the glory.
22:18And somebody asked me just even yesterday,
22:22they were like, you know, how do you do this?
22:26Because every Sunday you've got a message
22:29and you've got, you know, enthusiasm and conviction.
22:33I said, look, it's not me, it's the Word of God.
22:37And if you accept the Bible as God's Word
22:40and the authority over the life of every disciple.
22:43So the Bible is God's word and I is God's child.
22:48I need to know and live and proclaim the scripture.
22:52Well, man, you've got all the source material
22:56you'll ever need for your whole life right there
22:58in the Bible, isn't it?
23:00100.
23:02Yeah, 100%.
23:02I think what makes us alive is the Holy Spirit.
23:05When the Holy Spirit illuminates you,
23:07your testimony comes through the message, right?
23:10So when you preach, I have heard you preach many times,
23:12Alex reading your book, you know, all, you know, the books and all these kinds of things.
23:18What makes the message impactful is God has sifted that message in you.
23:22In other words, I've been through the experience of trusting in the Lord.
23:25So when I'm saying this, I'm not just saying words.
23:28What does the word say the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life.
23:32So when the spirit's on you, it's like there's just this life that comes out of you.
23:35You're not preaching of your own self.
23:37You've denied yourself.
23:38You've taken up your cross.
23:39You've rested in Christ.
23:40I'm hidden with him now.
23:41Colossians, right?
23:42Christ and God. When you're that way, the power of God can work through you. So when you preach or
23:47any one of us who are trusting in the Lord every time we get up on a pulpit, we are literally saying
23:52Lord, not my will, but yours be done. And then when he illuminates the words, it touches people in
23:58the crowd. It touches people where it's like, man, I was just praying about that or man, I can't believe
24:02he said that. I was just thinking about that. And those are the things we don't know as ministers
24:07when we're up there. We're just saying what God put on our hearts, right? And in Revelation,
24:10hopefully above the scriptures that he gave us, but man, all the testimonies come back and you know the camps when we do the kids,
24:17how many young kids come up and say, man, that message was it's like the Lord had a spotlight on me.
24:21You know, I was the only guy in the room. I heard that a couple times last year, you know yourself.
24:25Remember you and I were in Montana and a revival broke out in one of the cabins. Was it 10 at night?
24:31And you're seeing these kids seek the Lord not because of us,
24:36Well, because of his word and illuminated by the Holy Ghost and the Holy Spirit's working in them and we're trusting the Lord's moving on our words.
24:43It is nothing to do with us. We're just mere men with P brains before the Lord, but yet he said, no, you're my chosen now.
24:50Now go do what I've called you to do, you know. So I think if people could get that in our churches, we're not speaking of our own will,
24:57but of him who sent us. I think they then they would understand, right, the power of the gospel, the power of Christ.
25:03So, yeah, and you know, the beautiful thing about it is when you preach the Bible, books
25:11and chapters and line upon line, precept upon precept.
25:16For one thing, folks, you will get to the volatile issues.
25:20I mean, maybe pastors and teachers, yeah, you're uneasy about preaching about homosexuality
25:28or moral issues or money or tithing.
25:32Well, you just preach through the Word of God and you'll get to these issues and you need
25:36to tell the people what God says and if people get bent out of shape, you just say, well,
25:42look, it's in God's book.
25:44This is what Almighty God says.
25:47And it's not the preacher that they really have a problem with, it's the scripture.
25:52So preach the Word and you'll cover all of the issues that we need to help people with.
25:59The other thing is, and I've seen this, Massey, I know you have to, God promised to bless the
26:06preaching of His Word, and it's the Holy Spirit.
26:10Listen, oratory doesn't matter, a flowery vocabulary.
26:16It is the power of God's Holy Spirit on the proclamation of God's infallible Word.
26:24And your church will grow and lives will be changed.
26:28I just have to say something.
26:30We just finished the chapter.
26:32We just wrote a book, but I'll get into that later.
26:34But Charles Finney actually said this.
26:36He was actually speaking out against slavery.
26:37He said, how dare I preach the liberty of Christ
26:40without preaching about this?
26:41And he was a preacher from the 1800s, revivalist, actually,
26:44in the 1850s.
26:45And he said, but ministers in our day
26:47have become afraid to stand forth and speak as honest,
26:50fearless men on this subject.
26:51And political men have become fearful and sensitive,
26:54lest the pulpit should utter its voice for freedom.
26:57but why this sensitivity-ness of the politicians
27:00and why this timidity of the heralds of the gospel
27:03have not all Christian men
27:04political duties to perform.
27:06Aren't they not to search these duties
27:08and settle in the fear of God?
27:10All the great questions they involve.
27:12In other words, there's so many moral issues
27:14pastors could stand on.
27:16And you don't even need to cherry pick them.
27:18The moment you utter the gospel
27:19that confronts sin in people's lives,
27:22it's gonna confront things like lying, cheating,
27:24stealing, divorcing, homosexuality, transgenderism,
27:29it'll confront the sin of man.
27:31And man loves his sin.
27:32Read John 3, 16, 17, and 18.
27:35Men love darkness rather than the light.
27:37So the moment you even preach the gospel,
27:39you're already going to talk about the moral issues affecting
27:41our nation.
27:42How dare we stay silent and reduce the gospel to fit man,
27:46instead of saying, no, man, we have to conform to Christ
27:49and the cross.
27:50And I think that's the greatest thing,
27:51is if you're in this as a hiring link for the,
27:54for the, for the, I guess the money maybe, maybe.
27:58Oh boy, what a, what a terrible profession to be in, you know?
28:01Exactly.
28:03And then the conviction that must be on you as well.
28:07Well, hey, we're gonna take questions in just a moment.
28:09We do have a break in about five minutes,
28:12but if you have a question about the country,
28:15about the overlap of the spiritual and the cultural,
28:20the cultural, you know, the number, we'll get to it after the next break is
28:24triple eight, five eight nine, eighty eight forty, triple eight, five eight nine, eighty
28:30eight forty. Maybe you disagree with Massey and myself. Maybe you say, hey, you guys, the
28:35pulpit has no business speaking about political and cultural issues. Call us and we'll talk
28:42respectfully, triple eight, five, eight, nine, eighty eight forty. But I have a question
28:47for you and I want to structure this, Massey, I happen to believe the wheels are turning,
28:54there's a Holy Spirit awakening beginning.
28:57I really truly believe that.
28:59And I think I've seen some evidences of that.
29:03Now when Christianity becomes like, you know, popular people jump on board, but wouldn't
29:10it be better if people courageously before it becomes quote acceptable, before it becomes
29:18safe?
29:20How about giving a big shout out for Jesus now while it's dangerous?
29:25How about standing up and saying, hey, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman.
29:30Look, God loves all people.
29:32God can save anybody.
29:33But you know, transgenderism is wrong.
29:36There are males and females.
29:37get bold and say, you know what? Hey, he's not perfect, but God has given us Trump for our
29:4647th president. And man, his stand for Israel is good. Let's be brave and talk about, you
29:53know, the good things that are going on. Don't just wait till the wave is in full force.
30:00Be bold now. Do you any of this? What's your reaction to this, Massey?
30:06Yeah, 100%. We've been speaking this for years since 2014, 2015, that we're seeing a shift happen in America.
30:13And I was speaking about it for years, that no, you're going to see a wave because people have been sawing for years in prayer about this country.
30:20And God's already showing us kind of the glimpses. Now, the reason why people will acknowledge Jesus and say,
30:26thank God, but not stand on moral principles is a lack of discipleship.
30:29So yes, it is for us to say now, no, praise God.
30:34And all of you who have been standing for years,
30:36thank you so much.
30:37I'm actually the fruit of your prayers, Massi Campos,
30:40and my family.
30:41I'm the fruit of your ministry and your prayers.
30:43I'm the fruit of all those prayers saying,
30:44Lord, raise up people that would take up this mantle.
30:47I didn't ask for it, God gave it,
30:49but we're doing it and having mentors like Bill Federer,
30:52I consider Alex a dear friend and mentor.
30:54I consider all these people in my life.
30:56But what we're seeing now is a resurgence of,
31:00it's actually saying, God is real.
31:01Now, this is where it gets tricky.
31:04They'll say Jesus, but the other,
31:05except their lifestyle still.
31:07And we need to pray for their sanctification.
31:10We need to pray that the Lord would work on them
31:12and by and close doors.
31:13And if all you have is complaints about President Trump
31:15and not prayer for him, that's not a Christian.
31:18I believe that we're supposed to pray
31:20for all of our leaders in authority.
31:21It's like it says in Timothy, like it says in Titus,
31:23three and Titus two, I'm sorry.
31:25So if we're not praying for him
31:27and we have more critiques than prayer,
31:28I believe that you're in the wrong
31:30and it's actually a false spirit
31:32that we're not praying for a salvation.
31:35I prayed for President Biden's salvation.
31:36I prayed for Hilliard and Salvation.
31:39I'm praying that these people turn to the light,
31:41Barack Obama, Senator Chuck Schumer,
31:44all these people,
31:45federal men from Pennsylvania,
31:47all these people, Nancy Pelosi, Nancy Pelosi,
31:50we're praying for their salvation.
31:51What they're doing is heaping coals on themselves
31:54for the lack of truth that they're not saying.
31:56And so how many of us now need to be
31:58who are seasoned in the Word,
32:00find these people who are proclaiming Jesus
32:02and making sure that they're being discipled,
32:03they're being trained in the Word, they're being trained
32:05in prayer, and so that they can understand
32:07the doctrines of Christ in this character.
32:09All of that is found in scripture.
32:11I'm a very heavy word guy.
32:13The word of God must be proclaimed.
32:15It's the word that we stick our foundation on.
32:17It's the pillar and the ground of truth in the church.
32:19So I think that's more and more.
32:21If it becomes popular, we need to be out there
32:23discipling people who claim the name of Christ.
32:26Amen. Well said, folks, the voice you're hearing is
32:28Massey Campos. He's our guest on the Hamilton corner this
32:32hour. Now, when we come back, if you've got a question,
32:35Bible question, cultural questions, call us. We'll do our best
32:38to discuss and give a good answer. It's 888-589-8840.
32:45Alex McFarland here tonight. Very honored that you're
32:47listening. Stay tuned. Save Ignition. One radio show at a
32:51time will be back right after this.
33:00How much control, unfortunately, the executive office does have to direct a lot of these procedures
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34:16Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here.
34:19So honored that you're listening and I hope you're having a good day.
34:24By the way, just a public service announcement for men everywhere.
34:29Friday is February 14, Valentine's Day.
34:32Do not miss that day.
34:34See, we're a full service radio show.
34:37Guys, we don't want you to get in any trouble.
34:39So you need to be buying a card and telling your wife that you love her and that you're
34:45thankful for her.
34:47And anyway, in all seriousness, we're talking about some serious things about our country.
34:52you on a way in on the conversation if you have a question or comment for Massey Campos
34:58and myself the number is triple eight five eight nine eighty eight forty. Hey Brother Massey
35:04I wanted to ask you you had written a piece or given a speech I can't remember but you
35:12were talking about that we are a constitutional form of government and we're supposed to all
35:20All states are supposed to honor that and operate in that fashion, aren't they?
35:25Yes.
35:26Article 4, section 4 of the Constitution actually says, the United States Constitution guarantees
35:32each state a Republican form of government.
35:36It's very, very simple.
35:38That actually the Madison coined the guarantee part.
35:41Our nation would provide a Republican form of government.
35:45So what does that mean?
35:46a representative, not a, it's a representative democracy where we elect our representatives.
35:51We're not a monarchy.
35:52We're not a socialism.
35:53We're not any of that stuff where a republic.
35:55So my point was, is could it be considered treason, which I believe it is, it's treasonous
36:00to the constitution to be a communist, a socialist and all these other things, because it's antithetical
36:06to the laws that we've been given under the constitution.
36:09Does this make sense?
36:10So no amendment was given to up end our government.
36:12matter of fact, the declaration talks about if our government becomes destructive to these
36:16ends, which is life, liberty, property, all those other things, then we need to alter
36:20abolish our government and institute a new one. It didn't say we can just start instituting
36:23new governments. We need to abolish this one and create a new one. But all this infiltration
36:29from all this outside stuff, like I believe in the second half of this article four was
36:34talking about foreign invasion. Our borders have been open for how long? Four years plus
36:39Obama's term as well. That's an invasion from another country. We don't even know
36:43these people who are coming in our nation. And thank God for President Trump doing what he's doing.
36:47Birthright citizenship according to the 14th Amendment is illegal. That was not enshrined in the
36:5214th Amendment. You should read Justice Horace's decision on that. So there's all these things that
36:59we've just allowed to happen. And now we look like as the conservatives, the extremists,
37:03because laws have not been upheld for the last 40 years. So when someone comes in and says,
37:07is not this is the law. Now we look like extremists when president Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Barack
37:13Obama ran on these same platforms. We look like the extremists though because they weren't
37:17upholding the law. Does this make sense? So yeah, we're supposed to be the Republican
37:20government. When in reality, the conservative constitutionalist rule of law people like the
37:27president and many of ourselves, we're just doing what constitutionally worked and was intended
37:35from day one. We're going to go to some calls. We're going to go to Virginia. Steven in Virginia.
37:41Steven, thanks for holding and welcome to the program. Hey, Steven, are you there?
37:51Steven. Can you hear me okay? Can you hear me okay? Hello? Yes.
37:57Okay, great. I'm sorry about that. I'm really enjoying your show because it's very important
38:02to both politics and and and and and
38:05christiannie and in our country
38:08uh... and and and one of the things that i think is very important it came out
38:12in the last election and
38:14uh... where where you had
38:17kamala hair is talking uh... and as much as she was about freedom freedom freedom
38:22i mean that's all you heard but that really her concept of freedom
38:27is in conflict with the founders understanding of freedom because
38:32from john adams to george washington john adams said public virtue
38:37uh... cannot exist in a nation without
38:40private virtue and public virtue is the only foundation
38:44of republics
38:46and john ad
38:47uh... george washington said something similar
38:49binge and then franklin
38:51uh... as well
38:52are are founding fathers are history
38:55rooted
38:56uh... are are concept of freedom and the republic
39:01uh... in such a way that was integral
39:03of virtue character integrity with integral and and the republic uh...
39:09and i'm prefer the term republic over over democracy because there's a lot of
39:14conflation over that but we are republic
39:16uh... uh...
39:17uh... through and through
39:19but our republic will not thrive without a proper understanding of how
39:25virtue and integrity are integral to to our success
39:29And, uh, Massey, I want you to weigh in on this.
39:33What, what are you, what's your response?
39:35I'm, I'm getting the goosebumps you saying this.
39:37Um, you know, I'm just going to kind of piggyback on what you just said.
39:41I just said, Charles Carroll, the sign of the declaration actually said
39:43without morals, godly morals, but he was saying a republic cannot
39:46sub six and the length of time.
39:48But when you look at the declaration, when it says the pursuit of happiness,
39:51I do a whole class on this, the word happiness in 1828, as it was a Greek word
39:55called eutomonia and it means virtue or excellence.
39:58So to pursue virtue or excellence
40:01is what we're to be after.
40:02That's the only thing that can keep a nation free
40:04is we're morally upright before the Lord
40:07because I can trust you then before the Lord, right?
40:10We could trust our neighbor.
40:11If we don't have a nation like that,
40:12well, then we can't trust our neighbors to do anything.
40:14So you're right, the acceptance of sin over virtue
40:18is what their freedom is.
40:19And that, you know, we all know the wages of sin is death.
40:22So yeah, you nailed it.
40:23That's exactly what the founders were talking about.
40:25They were not foolish men.
40:26They knew exactly what they were writing.
40:27Good job.
40:28That was a great call.
40:29Good call.
40:30Let's go to Kentucky.
40:31Frank from Kentucky.
40:32Frank, thanks for holding.
40:34Welcome to our conversation with Massey Campos.
40:37Frank, are you there?
40:40I have a question.
40:43It's good that President Trump is doing what he's doing,
40:46but what's to stop this executive order
40:49to be turned around when another president comes in office?
40:54Yeah, I've wondered that too, Massey.
40:56And a lot of these executive orders are very necessary.
41:00And whether it be the border, EV mandates, things like that.
41:05But Massey, do you get a little nervous
41:09that, let's say, God forbid, some liberal gets in office,
41:16and then they begin like a monarchy
41:19to govern by executive order?
41:21Yeah, that is the scariest thing about Article II.
41:24the executive action of the authority of the president
41:27has been so convoluted.
41:29I get it, I don't agree with how presidents do this.
41:33The executive order was only meant for their cabinet
41:35and their branch of government for their term.
41:39It was never meant to be a blanket law over the states,
41:41over the people themselves because the federal governments,
41:44federal, the state governments have their own state governments.
41:46I am very leery of it.
41:48And even, I actually had some, for me,
41:51President Trump is doing good things.
41:52We did a whole podcast on it on our self-diveting podcast
41:55about some of the bad things that could potentially happen
41:57because it could go unconstitutional.
42:00And so what we do is our best to hold these people accountable
42:04whether on the right,
42:05because I'm definitely a conservative,
42:07but we hold them accountable because that's my job.
42:09My job is to say this is constitutional.
42:11So yes, I'm very afraid of allowing the president
42:15to take these actions and liberties at this point,
42:17what do we need a Congress for if President Trump's
42:18gonna do it all?
42:19Does this make sense?
42:20And we elected 435 members of Congress
42:22to hold these branches accountable,
42:24including our Supreme Court.
42:26So, but what happens when a Supreme Court is corrupt
42:28and saw our politicians?
42:30It's a messy game we're in and we need to pray even more
42:33for solid men in 26, solid women to run in 26,
42:37that are constitutional that can hold
42:39our elected leaders feet to the fire.
42:41Does this make sense?
42:42Absolutely.
42:43And folks, we're gonna do many more shows
42:45about the midterms coming up and why we need to pray.
42:49And look, hey, our home is in heaven.
42:52I'm a Christian, my home is in heaven,
42:54but like Augustine said,
42:56until we are in the city of God,
42:59we have an obligation to the city of man.
43:01So the work isn't done.
43:03Brandon from Alabama,
43:05Brandon, thanks for holding welcome to the program.
43:11Hey, Brandon, are you there?
43:13Brandon from Alabama?
43:17Okay, how about Samuel from Texas?
43:22Samuel, do we have you?
43:24Yes, good afternoon, good evening gentlemen.
43:27Hey, I really appreciate your conversation
43:29and what you're talking about
43:31because after serving the military for over 30 years,
43:34we are a constitutional republic.
43:36We are not a democracy and I'm not sure why
43:38the politicians keep pushing that out
43:40because of course they're playing on the ignorance of people.
43:43We are constitutional republic.
43:45And the one thing about it,
43:46it's just like John Adams said,
43:48that the Constitution is for more and religious people,
43:51it's wholly inadequate for the governments of any other.
43:54That's important because it's also important to understand
43:57that our unalienable rights, that governments or institutions
44:00are among men to secure those rights,
44:03which that is the important thing
44:05about the Declaration of Independence.
44:06And if we're not engaged as the Echosia,
44:09the called out assembly, and it's not mean
44:11and unfortunate, there's so many religious people
44:14that say we don't need to be involved with politics
44:16and things like that, you can't legislate morality.
44:19Well, while we're doing that, there are individuals
44:22that are legislating immorality. So we need to be involved at all the levels from city to
44:28the local, the counties to the states, all we to the federal government. And we need to
44:32let our voices be heard because we the people are the government in the United States.
44:36Hey, man, Massey, what do you say? You need your own podcast, brother. You need a radio
44:42show that guy was on fire. I will say to be the sons of Istikar, I've heard this talked
44:47about a lot, the sons of Istikar. If you understand the book of Esther, chapter one verse 13 and
44:5212, I believe, 12 and 13, they talk about what were the people who
44:55understood the times, they understood the law and they understood justice.
44:59If you understand the word of God and our justice system of the day, you
45:01know, we're called to occupy till we come.
45:03We have a job to do to bring the kingdom of heaven on earth as best we can,
45:07with the time allotted and the gifts and talents we've been given.
45:10And many preachers know they've been given the gift to preach.
45:13It's an oratory gift will proclaim the name of the Lord and stand for
45:16these issues because people are dying.
45:17And while you're worried about getting a bad review on Facebook, souls
45:21are going to hell and we need to preach the truth to these people and get them saved.
45:24So praise God for you man, wait a go, great call.
45:27You need a show.
45:28You need a show dude.
45:29You're doing great.
45:30Amen.
45:31Hey, we're going to get to Jerry from Texas in a second.
45:33I was thinking about that quote, but it brought to mind another one, Massey, Thomas Jefferson
45:38said, quote, the care of human life and happiness and not their destruction is the first and
45:46only legitimate object of good government end of quote.
45:51And I think about Jefferson and the founders would have been in agreement that you know
45:55recent liberal actions like funding terrorists destabilizing the Middle East, introducing
46:01children to transgender ideology and welcoming millions of illegals across an open border,
46:07they betray that criteria, the care and preservation of human life and happiness, not their destruction,
46:16legitimate government
46:18certainly constitutional government based on the objective moral foundation
46:24of god's word
46:25uh... we haven't seen that
46:28that's
46:29what our government is charged to do
46:31uh... jerry from texas jerry are you there
46:35yes sir uh... like your last i'm a retired military veteran but only did
46:38twenty
46:39uh... and i've come to understand only the two shanal lot more
46:43uh...
46:44So I was wondering my kids my children go to a private Christian school, but I don't observe who serve all the authority
46:51I still monitor what they're taught and I substitute when I get a chance for the school to support as a parent
46:57But the thing is is at their school. They're adopt adopting sorry adopting the Texas
47:03education standards for teaching history and after listening to yourself and
47:09Rick Green and
47:10bartons and and the gentleman that does the providential american history on a fr podcast
47:16they're missing even mick down i think in there
47:19right yes sir and i've read his book
47:21they're missing the providential portion of our history so they're teaching history
47:24but they're leaving out how god's influence
47:27on the country was
47:28so i guess the question is is there a presentation on your website or
47:31something that i could present to the board at the school to say hey you're doing
47:35great on teaching the history but as christians
47:37Let's teach them how God's providence promoted the country
47:41through this avenue other than the secular avenue.
47:45100%, could you do me a favor and go to the website
47:49and email me at info at the Self-Everentr Truth.
47:52You can see the contact on there.
47:53I'll send you everything we got on that kind of stuff.
47:55But we also have a YouTube page full of stuff,
47:58full of speeches I've done.
48:01I'm doing one in Nevada next week called Resistance to Teerney's
48:03Obedience to God, going through the 700 years of history,
48:06to magna card or the whole thing in 40 minutes.
48:08How do you do that?
48:09But yeah, I would love to send you that stuff brother
48:12because the kids need it.
48:13And they are being bereaved of this.
48:16They're not given this.
48:18So where do they plant their feet if not the truth?
48:20On man, that's the purpose.
48:23They don't want Christ to be talked about.
48:25So I appreciate you brother.
48:26So just email me at info at the self-evident truth
48:28and I'll directly talk to you and email you
48:30all that stuff, okay?
48:32And I think it's very inspiring.
48:34Sir, thank you for that fantastic question. Bill Federer, William J. Federer, and that
48:40spelled F-E-D-E-R-E-R, phenomenal guy. He wrote a book called Miracles in American History.
48:46Have you ever seen that book, Massey?
48:48Yeah, both volumes. I actually used a couple of those in my speeches.
48:52Yeah. Just the without argument, the ways God intervened in the American Revolution, in
48:59World Wars 1 and 2. You look and you say, oh my goodness God had a plan for America. And
49:06now here you and I are and it's our hour to be a part of that plan. Hey we're almost out
49:12of time, Massey Campos, thank you for being with us brother and folks thanks for listening.
49:17You can listen again at afr.net the show is archived. Please if you would pray for our
49:22nation stand bold for truth. AFR is here to help you do that and like Massey Campos,
49:28I can use you to inform and inspire people all around you.
49:33Tell somebody about the American Family Radio Network, but most of all, tell everybody about Jesus.

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