Guest host Dr. Alex McFarland spends time with his special guest Bishop Aubrey Shines

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11. 0:31Well, good evening America.
12. 0:34Alex McFarland here sitting in for attorney, pastor, journalist, broadcaster, Abe Hamilton
13. 0:40the third.
14. 0:41This is the Hamilton Corner and we have got a great show.
15. 0:43Listen, I got to tell you, I'm just so excited for covering some of the headlines and getting
16. 0:49the wisdom of the guests that you're about to meet in just a moment.
17. 0:53Aubrey Shines of Real America's Voice and I will give him a more thorough, more proper
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29. 2:04Network to exploring the Word. But I'm very blessed because I'm kind of a news junkie.
30. 2:10And always, I've just been really glued to current events. And so, Abe Hamilton, the third,
31. 2:18here on the Hamilton Corner, he kind of lets me get my inner journalist working to talk about
32. 2:27current events.
33. 2:28And we have a lot of great opinion makers.
34. 2:30We've interviewed elected officials, celebrities, a lot of people.
35. 2:35Today we have on a broadcaster and journalist, Aubrey Shines.
36. 2:39And he's got a program that's a very popular, highly watched program on Real America's voice
37. 2:46called America shines, I'm sorry, America shines, and it's news and current events from a biblical
38. 2:55worldview. And he's also pastor of going from glory to glory, G2G ministries. He does work
39. 3:03for FRC Family Research Council, faith leaders for America, Charlie Kirk and Turning Point
40. 3:10USA that I've had the great privilege of getting to be friends with Charlie and TPUSA.
41. 3:16He's just one of these guys.
42. 3:19He's conversant on any topic.
43. 3:21He's articulate and God is using him in a big way to inform and inspire and speak truth
44. 3:28to our nation.
45. 3:29And I'm very honored to be able to glean from his wisdom tonight.
46. 3:34He's Aubrey Shines, our guest right now on the American Family Radio Network.
47. 3:39Welcome, Aubrey Shines.
48. 3:41Hey, Alex, great to be with you guys.
49. 3:43Always love your pleasant and kind words.
50. 3:46Thank you for being so incredibly kind.
51. 3:48Thanks, Alex.
52. 3:50Well, it's great honor.
53. 3:51And I appreciate what you do.
54. 3:53And hey, one thing about the times in which we live,
55. 3:58it ain't boring is, I mean, there is so much going on.
56. 4:02Tell us about your, for one thing, tell us about your show.
57. 4:05But I'm always curious, how do you do your show prep
58. 4:08With so much, I mean, it's a big, loud, noisy world.
59. 4:13How do you plan your content?
60. 4:16You know, a lot of different ways.
61. 4:18The show's been airing for three plus years.
62. 4:21Our visibility, our numbers are really incredible.
63. 4:24And I say that with a great deal of humility,
64. 4:26I really, really do.
65. 4:27When I prepping for a show, you know, you know,
66. 4:30how this goes and maybe a lot of our public doesn't,
67. 4:33I just simply reach out to one of my producers and say,
68. 4:36Hey, you know what?
69. 4:37I believe this is where we need to be this coming up.
70. 4:40We care this particular topic.
71. 4:42You know, we have obviously a plethora of guys and girls
72. 4:45that can come in and give expertise,
73. 4:48but I really believe at times, Alex,
74. 4:50and I hope this doesn't sound too spooky to a lot of people.
75. 4:55I really pray about it.
76. 4:57I do because I love the way that you teat that up.
77. 5:01There are so many issues that are going on.
78. 5:03I mean, arbitrarily, we could just take 5,000 issues and just tackle.
79. 5:08But what one or two issues are so relevant that the public really needs some clarity?
80. 5:16That's what I do and America shines.
81. 5:18We shine the light on those particular topics.
82. 5:21And so when I have guests like you or others from heretic or whoever I may have on, these
83. 5:28These individuals come in what I believe to be such an acumen of accuracy, that it allows
84. 5:36us to speak truth with love, but very courageously in the sense of regardless of what comes out
85. 5:45of it, even the negative things, we still stay the course, Alex.
86. 5:50And as a result, I think we're doing quite well according to the numbers.
87. 5:55Well, deservedly so.
88. 5:58Deservely so.
89. 5:59And I want to encourage people, by the way, where may they listen to America shines?
90. 6:04Even if they just go out and download it on their phone, if that's easier, of course we're
91. 6:09on every Saturday, 2 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, and you can go to everywhere from hula
92. 6:16to samsang to fox.
93. 6:19I mean, we're out there.
94. 6:20It's just everywhere.
95. 6:21we were, but one of the easiest ways that we get so much traffic from guys and girls
96. 6:26to simply downloading Real America's voice on their app, on their phone rather, downloading
97. 6:31the app. And they tune us in. As a matter of fact, they're able to even catch some of
98. 6:36the shows that I've done at least two to three weeks prior. We get a lot of quote, late response
99. 6:42from individuals that may be traveling, can't sit down at that specific hour. And it's
100. 6:48really been humbling, honoring at the same time. I'm just glad that I'm able to serve the way that I do.
101. 6:55What was your background prior to being a broadcaster on Real America's voice?
102. 7:00Well, ministry, you know, I for the last 30 plus years, I was connected to one of the largest
103. 7:07denominations that was here in the United States of America. And abroad, I was one of the
104. 7:13Chiefy Bangel has had a very strong itinerary ministry. I was probably doing I don't know 120, 130 flights a year
105. 7:21You know just church to church revival to revival conference to conference lecture to lecture
106. 7:27And a lot of fun now when my dad was living I really thought you know just a little a little fun here
107. 7:33I really thought I was gonna follow in his footsteps and just be a great businessman. He was incredibly successful
108. 7:39in the suburbs of Chicago, Illinois,
109. 7:42ran an incredible organization with a lot of trucks
110. 7:46and businesses, et cetera, just, you know,
111. 7:49really, really a profound guy.
112. 7:52I hate ahead to bury him at such a young age,
113. 7:55but I really thought Alex, that was gonna be my direction.
114. 7:58Then when I began to matriculate through school,
115. 8:00I thought, oh, got it, I got it.
116. 8:02I'm gonna be the next greatest constitutional judge
117. 8:06that's out there.
118. 8:07God had some other plans.
119. 8:09I really felt right now, I wish you were a judge right now.
120. 8:13Well, I get that quite a bit, right?
121. 8:16You know, I certainly would have been a constitutional guy with a real, real organic background for
122. 8:25our Constitution because we're looking at what I call a real hijacking of our Constitution.
123. 8:30I really think that we're in trouble in that area.
124. 8:34I hope, by the way, that some of our colleagues in Congress will adhere at least to the hope
125. 8:40of Donald J. Trump.
126. 8:41I think some of these federal judges should be impeached.
127. 8:44I think they've gone off the reservation.
128. 8:47And I think they should be constitutionalists and not ideologues and let the law fall where
129. 8:54it will.
130. 8:55And again, Alex, if our churches are not involved, if our leaders are not involved writing and
131. 9:00calling their congressional and senatorial leaders, then I hate to say it this way, then
132. 9:06we'll get what we deserve. But if we're really engaged, as we were in this past and prior election,
133. 9:13I believe Alex, we can turn this thing around. We must be engaged on these topics, not just on
134. 9:19our radio and TV shows, but in our pulpits as well. What do you think the history books are going to
135. 9:26right about the latter days of the Biden administration, the 2024 election.
136. 9:34I mean, for one thing, July 13, 2024, when President Trump was almost assassinated, then
137. 9:43candidate Trump, you know, even now with six to eight months, you know, retrospective,
138. 9:52I just feel like these are some of the most critical, crucial, everything's up for grab
139. 9:58days about America.
140. 9:59But Arbery, what do you think the history books are going to say about the last, say, 12 to
141. 10:0524 months of our nation's history?
142. 10:07Well, I think if they're, if they reek of anything with intelligence and curiosity and
143. 10:15integrity, if they're honest, they will know what we all know.
144. 10:20help us, we all know that Joe Biden was not running the White House. We now know it for
145. 10:26million reasons. This is nothing new to those of us who keep up with this. But again, when
146. 10:30you have automatic signatures and you're not even part of what's going on, you, and again,
147. 10:36you can look at the footage and the sky was just bewildered all of the time. I mean, God,
148. 10:42what was his wife doing to allow her sick husband to do this? What kind of party would do this
149. 10:49a bunch of globalists. I think if history is recorded accurately, I think we will all
150. 10:54know we've been duped. I think that we will have to revisit the issue of an election in
151. 11:012020 being stolen. I think the numbers are there. That's not my opinion. We do very deep
152. 11:07dies case in point. When you look at what just happened back in November, what happened
153. 11:11to 30 plus million people that allegedly voted for Biden on the East Coast alone.
154. 11:19Did they disappear?
155. 11:20Where's those numbers, Alex?
156. 11:21And again, these are not people.
157. 11:23Well, they went over to a different party.
158. 11:25No, no, that would make it a plus of 30 to 40 million votes.
159. 11:30And all of a sudden, what did they do?
160. 11:31Did they all die?
161. 11:32Did they move to another country?
162. 11:35These are issues that we cannot ignore.
163. 11:37We can't say, well, that's behind us.
164. 11:40Let's move over.
165. 11:41move forward. We can't. So I think if history is recorded properly, I think that we will realize
166. 11:47that God gave America grace. I believe not just in this issue of a presidency. I really believe this
167. 11:55is spiritual. I believe it gave us an opportunity as Christians to evangelize, to do the work of the
168. 12:02gospel, not just here, but abroad as well. And Alex, you understand, had the other party got in,
169. 12:09not because I think this there's already evidence to this they were shutting down Christians shutting down anyone that believed in a heterosexual
170. 12:19normative lifestyle they were promoting the LGBTQ all these things were going on and had we not have the grace of God I think history would
171. 12:30record that we were probably going to lose in the words of Benjamin Franklin this great republic
172. 12:36Indeed. You know, Aubrey, I'm not being flippant or trite or sarcastic, but this thought went
173. 12:45through my mind after Donald Trump won and won by nearly 11 million votes. But Donald
174. 12:53Trump dodged a bullet and so did America. Isn't that a fair assessment?
175. 13:00I think it's more. I think it's excellent. I really do. And I don't say that because I
176. 13:04I have such profound respect for you.
177. 13:07I just think that your fingers on the posts here,
178. 13:09I do, I said to our congregation prior and post
179. 13:15our November date for voting for the next president.
180. 13:19And again, I was incredibly clear.
181. 13:21I'm not one of those pastors that would get up and say,
182. 13:23it doesn't matter who you vote for.
183. 13:25No, I was very clear.
184. 13:26I've always, I always brought the receipts to our sanctuary.
185. 13:30I showed the policies, the difference.
186. 13:32And I would publicly say, and this
187. 13:34is a reason I voted for Donald Trump.
188. 13:36Now a lot of your audience may not know, but in 2016,
189. 13:39I traveled for then candidate Donald J. Trump.
190. 13:44I was the, and I say this everywhere I go,
191. 13:46I was the only pastor in the United States of America
192. 13:50when Hillary Clinton lost her election.
193. 13:53She put me in her book by name
194. 13:57as to the reason she lost the election.
195. 13:59So I have some real skin in here.
196. 14:02And because of that...
197. 14:03Congratulations, by the way.
198. 14:05Yeah, but I hear it all the time, but Alex,
199. 14:08I tell you, buddy, I received the amount of threats
200. 14:13that I think most had it not been for the grace of God.
201. 14:16They would have folded.
202. 14:18I don't think that they would have moved forward.
203. 14:20It was overwhelming to so many people,
204. 14:23but we continue to try out through those things.
205. 14:27I would do it all over again
206. 14:31had I had the opportunity to do it again.
207. 14:33And so I believe that all of us that believe in
208. 14:36age of jail, Christian, as those,
209. 14:38I really believe that we're living in a period
210. 14:41of some real grace here that we really shouldn't.
211. 14:45So we've got to take a brief break.
212. 14:46Alex McCrallen here with our very special guest,
213. 14:49Aubrey Shines, don't go away.
214. 14:50American Family Radio is back after this.
215. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
216. 15:04The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy.
217. 15:08I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.
218. 15:12I am the good shepherd.
219. 15:13The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
220. 15:16Verses 10 and 11 of John's chapter 10.
221. 15:19Jesus is the good and the great shepherd.
222. 15:21He's the greatest shepherd there ever was.
223. 15:24He's a shepherd that can be trusted.
224. 15:25John chapter 12 verse 49,
225. 15:28"'For I have not spoken on my own authority,
226. 15:31"'but the Father who sent me gave me a command,
227. 15:35"'what I should say and what I should speak.'"
228. 15:37The Lord Jesus Christ himself in his earthly ministry
229. 15:40continually trusted his heavenly father,
230. 15:43his heavenly father, his great shepherd,
231. 15:46for wisdom, for guidance, and direction
232. 15:48at every step of his life.
233. 15:50He wasn't trying to do his own thing.
234. 15:52He was simply trying to follow his heavenly father.
235. 15:55And Jesus again, stands as a great role model
236. 15:58for each of us.
237. 16:05Shiting light into the darkness,
238. 16:07this is the Hamilton Quarter, an American family radio.
239. 16:12Welcome back to the program, our guest Aubrey Shines that will resume our conversation with
240. 16:17in just a moment.
241. 16:18Hey, I want to remind you a week from today.
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253. 17:01And we're bringing in Charlie Kirk in August.
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268. 17:57Over the last 25 years, in addition to doing exploring the word on the American Family Radio
269. 18:02Network, I love to bring carefully chosen thinkers.
270. 18:08opinion makers. It's been our joy to rent venues. We've had elected officials,
271. 18:15Christians from the entertainment industry, great scholars, and it kind of
272. 18:20reminds me at the soonest possible opportunity. I need to have Aubrey
273. 18:24Shines come down and we'll book a Colosseum somewhere in America and hear
274. 18:30from him. But people every week on Real America's voice, the show is
275. 18:35America shines the voice the journalist behind it is Aubrey shines and he is our
276. 18:41guest right now so brother thanks for being with us tonight I'm remiss I need
277. 18:46to book you for a venue but until then we are glad that you're with us tonight
278. 18:51always great being with you guys and I look forward if not I'll take it to the
279. 18:58air that Alex was gonna book me and he never did and you'll get a lot of my
280. 19:02I hate Mel, so there you go.
281. 19:04There we go.
282. 19:05Before the break, we were talking about how you were mentioned in one of Hillary Clinton's
283. 19:12books for your support for Donald Trump.
284. 19:16But in a way, we jokingly said that's a badge of honor.
285. 19:20But here's the thing, and I want you to speak to this.
286. 19:22If you're a Christian and you're a follower of Jesus and standing for God's Word, we should
287. 19:30do that.
288. 19:32going to be potentially there's a target on your back. But that's just part of the deal, isn't it?
289. 19:37I mean, that's just for we disciples, I guess that's just an occupational hazard, isn't it?
290. 19:43Yeah, it really is this powerful course. I mean, the apostles were incredibly clear that if you
291. 19:49live for Christ, you're going to suffer persecution. I'm not sure why we try to avoid that portion of
292. 19:54scripture. And I guess I get it to somebody, right? None of us wake up every day and go,
293. 19:59Hey, gee, I hope this is one of those days that I get a chance to I don't know travel through the valley of the shadow of death
294. 20:04I mean, I don't think any of us really really do that however
295. 20:08When you choose biblical principles as a way of speaking again truth in a society that is very dark
296. 20:17There must be opposition. I just never understood Alex the guys
297. 20:23That have the mandate
298. 20:25have the background, have what they say as a calling from God to do this great work, this great commission,
299. 20:32but they're fearful.
300. 20:34They're, I don't know any other better work, they're cowards, they won't speak.
301. 20:39They assume, well people are going to think I'm political, well, we're all political,
302. 20:44I don't care if it's not politics, if you and I are debating where we should go and have a bite to eat,
303. 20:49that's a political argument. If we're debating anything, those are in the
304. 20:54confined of the word politics. That's a political argument. Why shouldn't Christians vote their
305. 21:01values? Why should we apologize for what we believe in? I think if we just did, and again, we did
306. 21:11this past November overwhelmingly did so, we could stop all of these things. Why shouldn't our worldview
307. 21:19be, I don't know, copied after scripture. And again, forgive me for just kind of hogging
308. 21:26the moment when I say this, but it was the great apostle Paul that said, look, if it's
309. 21:31possible, let's be at peace with all men. Again, there's a conjunction that's here. But how
310. 21:37do we make those things possible? We are engaged. If we really have dominion in the earth, the
311. 21:43way that God called us to have dominion to dominate, when I talk in theocracy, we're talking
312. 21:49about influence here if we're really the salt, the light, then if there is a God that's for
313. 21:57us, why would we be so hesitant, Alex, not to speak about these things publicly and especially,
314. 22:05especially from the pulpit?
315. 22:08And I think we're a lot of our leaders, my friend.
316. 22:12I do.
317. 22:13Hey, I want to give a script to the, there's so many current issues.
318. 22:17The judge issued judges, activists, judges working to block Trump's really agenda and executive
319. 22:27orders.
320. 22:28But before we get into the headlines from God's word, in Jeremiah 29, seven, it says, seek the
321. 22:34peace and prosperity of the city, into which I've carried you.
322. 22:39Pray to the Lord for the city because if it prospers, you too will prosper.
323. 22:44to the word politic is from the Greek word polis or polis, P-O-L-I-S, the Greek word for
324. 22:51city. And if God's word tells us to seek the peace of the city that we're in and the polis,
325. 23:00the city, we can have influence politically. I mean, isn't that really, and there are many
326. 23:07New Testament Scriptures that I could give as well, Aubrey? But I feel like we've got
327. 23:12the sanctioning and the affirmation of God
328. 23:16to be salt and light in that public square,
329. 23:19would you agree?
330. 23:21Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
331. 23:22Alex, again, I don't think that we should stop there.
332. 23:25I think our influence should be everywhere,
333. 23:28not just in politics, I happen to shepherd.
334. 23:32And when I've had some of our young guys
335. 23:34that went into the NFL,
336. 23:35I didn't want them to change their perspective
337. 23:37of those who I've known that I personally counseled
338. 23:40out in Hollywood.
339. 23:42And they would ask, hey, pastor, is it right for me to do C&A or C&B?
340. 23:47I said, first of all, it's a conscious issue.
341. 23:49But number two, does your values reflect in your ability to entertain?
342. 23:54Are they asking you to become something that is counterintuitive to scripture?
343. 24:00Now, if you can, some kind of way answer that question, you'll be exactly with the Lord,
344. 24:05what really have you.
345. 24:06And so when we don't influence, when we don't bring what we are and that's salvation, that's
346. 24:14you know the Greek better than I, when we don't bring that salvation or that salt into something
347. 24:20that is rotting and decaying, we're not doing our job.
348. 24:24And again, I always will always hear me say this, Alex, I always go back to the pastors
349. 24:30And let me say why it was the great priest prophet, Hosea, where you see it written, he
350. 24:37says, the way the priest are is the way the people will become.
351. 24:42Well, I go back even to Dr. Martin Luther King, he said, look, we're not talking about
352. 24:49having a Theocracy.
353. 24:50He says, but the church should be the conscious of the state.
354. 24:54So if our consciousness being lived out in the elected officials that we support, then
355. 25:00why are our pastors not taking a more prominent role in doing this?
356. 25:08We see thousands of people on a weekly basis.
357. 25:12Why are we not standing up to that challenge?
358. 25:14If you're afraid to do it, I think you should resign.
359. 25:18Find a young man, put that young man in office and let that young guy go that would be courageous
360. 25:23in bold to change the landscape of our society. I believe that.
361. 25:29Praise God, this is wisdom, folks. And if you're just tuning in, Alex McFarland here on the
362. 25:34Hamilton Corner, the American Family Radio Network, we're talking with Bishop Aubrey
363. 25:39Shines. He's not only a broadcaster and a journalist, his pastor and a shepherd. So I have a question,
364. 25:46and this is not hypothetical. This comes from real conversations. In 2016 for FRC, I spoke
365. 25:53at four different Trump events. And then in 2024, you know, radio on the road, I was doing
366. 26:02a lot of interviews just for myself. And obviously, you know, as a minister, I was trying to help
367. 26:10people think about the election from a biblical perspective. But here's what a pastor said to
368. 26:16me and Aubrey I could give you a dozen variants of this conversation.
369. 26:22Pastors would say, but Alex, I've been at my church 20 years kid.
370. 26:28I got a retire here and look, I'd love to lay the cards on the table, but man, I got some
371. 26:35members they would be upset.
372. 26:37So here's the question, how does a pastor get out of the velvet handcuffs?
373. 26:43And I think you know what I mean by velvet.
374. 26:46Yeah, I do.
375. 26:47Yeah, I do.
376. 26:48Give us a word of encouragement.
377. 26:51You know, pastors, I'd say to all of you pastors that are listening.
378. 26:55Here's the question metaphorically that Christ asked.
379. 27:00If you want to live, he said, then die.
380. 27:03I mean, it really comes back to that.
381. 27:05He said, you want to live?
382. 27:07Okay.
383. 27:08Well, then die.
384. 27:09If we're not afraid to die to those things at hand cuffed us, money, etc., then we're
385. 27:15doing it for the wrong reason.
386. 27:17Alex, I had pastors to say to me, and I have a lot of pastors that follow me on a weekly
387. 27:24basis.
388. 27:25They really, really do.
389. 27:26And I hear things like this, hey, Aubrey, I really, really love you, man.
390. 27:31And I don't know these guys.
391. 27:32Alex, by the way, but they'll ride or they will DM me.
392. 27:36I really love you.
393. 27:37You're bold, you're courageous.
394. 27:39And these are senior leaders as I am a senior leader.
395. 27:43But man, if I did that, and then exactly what you just said, Alex, I hear it almost verbatim.
396. 27:49And they always ask, what do you recommend?
397. 27:52And I'm not trying to be, I hope I never come off as condescending when they ask that question.
398. 27:58I said, I don't know, maybe lay on your face before the Lord and first start with repenting.
399. 28:04Ask them to forgive you for not being bold and courageous.
400. 28:07This is what you would call it to do.
401. 28:09And if you feel for whatever the reason that you can no longer fulfill that particular mandate,
402. 28:15then you should resign, become like the Levites of old, serve your 20 years, get on out of
403. 28:21there and let another young courageous guy step up and let him take that mantle.
404. 28:28Because if you really got to, I don't know, try to find a way to juxtapose between not
405. 28:33hurting people's feelings and hurting people's feelings.
406. 28:36I think they're in the wrong vocation or if they started out correctly, repentance would
407. 28:42really, really help here because if they really just repent, ask Dr. Forgive them and
408. 28:47power them and then get back out there. And if you die, die, but know that as in the old
409. 28:54hymn, you die in the army of the Lord. Amen. Yeah, you know, folks, let me just say this
410. 29:00regarding young people. They are hungry for truth. Since 1998, we've done literally dozens
411. 29:07of conferences and then by God's grace I give God the glory I've spoken in 2,200 American
412. 29:13churches. We've done surveys. Aubrey, our ministry, we're just a small ministry and my goodness,
413. 29:22we're not huge. But we have done a quarter million surveys of young people. I'm talking
414. 29:29middle school from really middle school through twenties. And the amazing thing, and
415. 29:35this is why we want the pastors to speak out, is because on these moral social issues, you
416. 29:41know, if you wanted direction about life, abortion, gender, sexuality, heaven, hell,
417. 29:48you know, we've asked a lot of questions, biblical worldview, the number one place that, and this
418. 29:55for 25, 26 years. Kids, they say, well, I guess I would talk to my mother or dad, my
419. 30:01parent. Now we hear about peer pressure and there is the internet but the number
420. 30:08one voice that young people and this is held true for two decades plus is a
421. 30:15parent or maybe a grandparent, a trusted family member, trusted respected but number
422. 30:23three generally ahead of peers or it's a clergy like my pastor my youth pastor I
423. 30:34mean we've done some of the events at universities you know priest or or rabbi
424. 30:38but here's my point ministers you have more entree you have more cache into the
425. 30:47lives of young people then you might realize therefore let's take this
426. 30:52opportunity speak truth into these open hearts and minds that are looking to us for spiritual
427. 30:58and moral guidance. I love it. I do. Christianity today once asked me a question. I was doing
428. 31:05something in Washington. I didn't know they were there. I didn't know they were kind of
429. 31:10hidden within the crowd. And it went something like this. I had made a comment. I was one of the
430. 31:15guest guys that was there. And I said to this, Alex, without even really thinking about it,
431. 31:21I said, well, the average church in America is somewhere with men, somewhere between 7.4
432. 31:27and 9.2, 9.3, whatever that exact number is. I said, but where I shepherd, where I'm the senior leader,
433. 31:33we have a little over 40, 41% of our congregants are men. Well, the Christianity today reporter
434. 31:40asked, well, again, I didn't know that's who he was. How did you do that? And I was stunned. I did not
435. 31:46have the answer, I said, I don't know. And I honestly did, I know fast forward, went back to the local
436. 31:53church, connected with our chief therapists there at the church and asked her to help me conduct a
437. 31:58poll. I wanted to find out why are these men here? I never thought about it. I never thought about,
438. 32:03this is a large number of men here and a lot were young men, but these were strong, you know,
439. 32:09men that worked out, loved God kind of a thing. Here's what they said. In a nutshell, this is what
440. 32:15what they said because you're bold enough to address topic and issues that we've never
441. 32:19heard anyone address before except for Muslims and people like Louis Farrakhan in the nation
442. 32:24of Islam. Those were the exact words. That's scary.
443. 32:28Alright folks, when we come back we're going to open up the fountains. The number
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474. 34:58Hey, before the break, we were talking about getting men in
475. 35:02church, and hey, thank God for godly women.
476. 35:06But you know, so much about the church, I don't think we've really spoken to men's issues.
477. 35:15We've not affirmed manhood and masculinity.
478. 35:19And yet God's word has a lot to say about being a man, being a godly man.
479. 35:26And that's a topic.
480. 35:28You've addressed it.
481. 35:29And as you were sharing, the fruit is undeniable.
482. 35:33But don't you think we need to be a little more intentional and proactive about how we
483. 35:38minister to men?
484. 35:40Absolutely.
485. 35:41Intentionality is everything.
486. 35:42Again, if we don't intentionally go after men, I think we're going to miss the bigger
487. 35:48picture.
488. 35:49I tell you what I found quickly.
489. 35:51I find wherever there are a lot of men, women feel very secure at that moment.
490. 35:57I took a, I did something I thought was pretty unique.
491. 36:00I had our men in the congregation one day to circle the entire church inside.
492. 36:05I wanted them to hold hands and we embraced the entire team and have a large sanctuary there.
493. 36:12They embraced the entirety of the sanctuary.
494. 36:15I looked at the ladies faces out there.
495. 36:17Alex, I cannot embellish this.
496. 36:21They were weeping.
497. 36:22They didn't even know why I was doing it.
498. 36:23They started weeping.
499. 36:24I called out a few individuals.
500. 36:26Why are you weeping?
501. 36:27They said, and it was a very touching, breaking moment.
502. 36:31They said, we feel so secure here.
503. 36:33There's a sense of security.
504. 36:35When men are there, just like when a dad is in the home,
505. 36:39I tell you something about those kids,
506. 36:41they know daddy's here, we're gonna be okay.
507. 36:43And I think men represent that,
508. 36:45but if we strain the men and don't allow their roar
509. 36:49to come out, if we emasculate them,
510. 36:52if we tell them that, no, no, there's no difference
511. 36:55between you and a lady in sports or whatever it is,
512. 36:58we'll lose an entire generation.
513. 37:01We must be able to speak these type of truths,
514. 37:04regardless of offending people along the way.
515. 37:07I'm telling you, it will foster an environment
516. 37:11where the women will feel very safe
517. 37:14being in a place like that.
518. 37:16Amen, amen.
519. 37:17You know, we, scholars use the term,
520. 37:21Amaga Day image of God made in God's image and you know Genesis 1 26 27 says God made
521. 37:31Male and female made in God's image. Do you believe the the LGBTQ trans and the push to erase?
522. 37:42objective gender
523. 37:44recognition that
524. 37:46Maleness is an objective category of being.
525. 37:51Femaleness is an objective category of humanity.
526. 37:57This erasing of gender boundaries, is that an attack on the fact that we're made in God's
527. 38:04image?
528. 38:05Absolutely.
529. 38:06And we know it is because we watch nations like China, people like George Soros, they
530. 38:11will support groups, whether it is the LGBTQ or Black Lives Matter group of lesbian, Black
531. 38:18women who hate biblical heterosexual normity. These are intentional attacks. Why is it, Alex?
532. 38:25And I say this to you, of course, I know you know the answer. These countries that will put
533. 38:30billions of dollars into our nation destroying our men, they don't even allow it on their TV sets.
534. 38:36But they will invest into Disney and other places to again make our men feel this is why
535. 38:45when you watch a TV, a television show, usually the gay character, smart, witty, happy, funny,
536. 38:52and everyone loves them.
537. 38:53But let there be a strong dad who's protective over his daughter or son.
538. 38:58He's out of touch.
539. 38:59He's a square and he's ignorant and he looks like a buffoon.
540. 39:03a reason that's intentional and the church has a responsibility to show it very different.
541. 39:09You're right. I mean, yes folks, think about primetime entertainment. A masculine male is either a
542. 39:16buffoon or a toxic alpha male, roid rage, you know, they're either a dangerous monster or a buffoon.
543. 39:29The idea of upright, mature, healthy, balanced, masculine man, I can't think of a prime time
544. 39:41show where you'll find that kind of a figure.
545. 39:43It doesn't exist.
546. 39:44That's why you can't think of it.
547. 39:46It doesn't come to mind.
548. 39:47But yet a million other things can come to mind.
549. 39:49And think about this.
550. 39:50We know this is true, Alex, for a different reason.
551. 39:52I did a show on this one.
552. 39:54that I've spoke on this same topic, even from our pulpit,
553. 39:57every business has been developed to serve the people
554. 40:01and to make a profit.
555. 40:03That's a fact.
556. 40:04Fast forward.
557. 40:05Why is it that the majority of these places
558. 40:07like marble and Disney, they're not even making money,
559. 40:10but yet they keep doing the same thing.
560. 40:11It proves one thing to you.
561. 40:13It's not just about profit.
562. 40:14It's about changing a person's thought process.
563. 40:18Let's get them away from God.
564. 40:19Let's infiltrate the kids.
565. 40:21We all know this of a certain age.
566. 40:23When we were kids, I don't care if it was Batman,
567. 40:25Captain America, Hulk, it could be Superman,
568. 40:29all of us tried to emulate those characters
569. 40:31that we saw, because we saw them as our heroes.
570. 40:35Well, now, what are we looking at?
571. 40:37Transgender kids, kids that don't take a position,
572. 40:41our boys are now wearing fingernail polish.
573. 40:44We can't tell the difference in them
574. 40:46to speak out against it, your homophobic, transphobic,
575. 40:49or some sort of phobic.
576. 40:50And again, I go back to the church,
577. 40:52I have to do this, Alex.
578. 40:54It's about leadership.
579. 40:55If the leaders were to speak out, speak against,
580. 40:58and vote, we could change this whole idea.
581. 41:02Indeed.
582. 41:02I know we've got collars on hold.
583. 41:04We're going to begin to pick up the phone here in just a second.
584. 41:06Numbers triple eight, five, eight, nine, 88, 40.
585. 41:10We're going to begin in Texas.
586. 41:12We've got Monty and Texas.
587. 41:15Monty, are you still there?
588. 41:17I am here.
589. 41:18How are you guys?
590. 41:19Good.
591. 41:20Thanks for holding.
592. 41:21What you got, Monty?
593. 41:22Absolutely.
594. 41:23I just very much appreciate your willingness to be honest.
595. 41:28I'm a soccer coach of a varsity soccer team, high school boys here.
596. 41:34I didn't become a believer until I was 27.
597. 41:37And to understand the beautiful game and how beautiful are the feet that bring what?
598. 41:44The gospel.
599. 41:45The goodness.
600. 41:46But you teach them to play the beautiful game.
601. 41:49And then it doesn't matter where they're going in the world.
602. 41:52That's what the world worships.
603. 41:54And I tell them all the time, the place you're standing
604. 41:58is the mission field you are called to.
605. 42:00And if you're breathing, you're in ministry.
606. 42:04And that's so much.
607. 42:06They don't hear that.
608. 42:08I'll dare them all the time.
609. 42:09Show me your friends.
610. 42:10I'll show you your future.
611. 42:13And they're like, oh, wow.
612. 42:15And so I just very much appreciate,
613. 42:20step into the light.
614. 42:22If you're stepping into the light,
615. 42:23If you're coming out of the darkness, everybody's so consumed with what will people think of
616. 42:27me, no, no, no.
617. 42:29The light is the author of life.
618. 42:31It's our creator.
619. 42:32It's our savior.
620. 42:33And if your focus is on him, you don't really care that much about the next person.
621. 42:38You're coming closer to each other as you draw to him.
622. 42:42And I just want to say this.
623. 42:44Hey, I want to commend you because you're being a leader and you're influencing people.
624. 42:49I can think of two coaches that were in my formative years and I didn't become a Christian
625. 42:56though, I was 21.
626. 42:57But Monty, you're doing God's work by speaking truth, being a role model.
627. 43:03Aubrey, we need a lot of guys like this to invest themselves in the lives of young people,
628. 43:09don't we?
629. 43:10Yeah, we really do and it doesn't matter where you are.
630. 43:12Again, I always emphasize these senior pastors because I am one.
631. 43:17With that being said, we need guys like Monty to come along and work with us to say,
632. 43:21hey, come on, get in a church, get involved.
633. 43:24And again, I don't apologize if you're in a church that's afraid to be involved and talk
634. 43:29about issues of this magnitude.
635. 43:30I don't care who the pastor is, you need to go.
636. 43:33You need to leave it.
637. 43:34Time out.
638. 43:35You have to redeem the time and understand that these are real pertinent issues that must
639. 43:40be addressed.
640. 43:41If we're going to win, we got to be around guys that will help discipline us to do so.
641. 43:47So my point well made.
642. 43:49Thanks so much.
643. 43:50Let's still in Texas, let's go to Laura.
644. 43:53Laura in Texas, thanks for holding welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
645. 43:57Hi, thank you.
646. 44:01I just wanted to say thank you for encouraging good leadership and strong leadership in churches,
647. 44:12especially with our men in churches,
648. 44:15because it starts at the head of the church
649. 44:19to preach and to feed into the heads of the household.
650. 44:24And it strengthens our families to an immense level
651. 44:28that I know you know, but I just wanna say thank you
652. 44:32and encourage you that there are people out there
653. 44:34that are looking for strong leadership in churches
654. 44:38that are encouraging men to be strong leaders
655. 44:41in their communities and in their families so that they are held accountable to that higher
656. 44:46level so that they do have those higher levels that they are achieving to and they're walking
657. 44:51with Christ and sharing with their communities and their families. Again, I just want to say
658. 44:55thank you. It's just it's great to hear it.
659. 44:59To God, Lord. Yeah, Lord, thanks so much. Very encouraging and for your prayers, your concern
660. 45:06and your observation or thank you. That's fantastic.
661. 45:09Hey, by the way folks we do seven youth camps every summer. Here's a website for you folks equip retreat.org
662. 45:17equip retreat.org this summer we'll have
663. 45:211200 middle schoolers and high schoolers in seven camps Iowa Montana
664. 45:26We've got a camp this year in Richmond, Virginia
665. 45:29well right outside of Richmond and go to equip retreat.org and and let me say and
666. 45:36and brother Aubrey, I think you might appreciate this.
667. 45:38We have a lot of volunteers, a lot of staff at our camps.
668. 45:42I mean, we do all the fun stuff, zip lines, hiking in Montana.
669. 45:46We have horseback riding, but we teach biblical worldview
670. 45:50and we teach citizenship.
671. 45:52And I bring in speakers, we talk about government.
672. 45:54We've had David Barton and Tim Barton.
673. 45:56But the female adult counselors, they counsel the young ladies.
674. 46:03And then we talk about guys.
675. 46:05We talked with the guys, I and my male counselors that we trained.
676. 46:10It's interesting, Aubrey, last summer we were doing our camp and we were talking about defending
677. 46:16a biblical worldview.
678. 46:18During the Q&A, at a ninth grade boy, he was like, Mr. McFarland, I've got a question.
679. 46:23I said, sure, what you got?
680. 46:24He said, how did you find Angie?
681. 46:27And you and Angie have been married 35 years.
682. 46:30Love it.
683. 46:31How do I find?
684. 46:32He said, you know, this is years from now, how do you find a godly girl?
685. 46:38And here's the thing that kids are hungry for truth.
686. 46:42And there's a lot of these kids, they're thinking about the family that they want to build one
687. 46:48day, that they maybe never had growing up.
688. 46:50I think we have a grand opportunity to talk about God, family, finding that right spouse,
689. 46:58making a difference in our nation.
690. 47:01got a great opportunity and I think kids are hungry for it.
691. 47:04I do too. I really do. Kids are resilient. We all know this. I mean, they want to ask real questions
692. 47:11and here's what they don't want. They don't want some stuffy answer. They want you to come down on
693. 47:16their level, talk to them that way they can understand it. This is why, again, we can reach them if we
694. 47:24just be honest with them about life and issues and things that really matter to them, but bring it
695. 47:30back to a Christ-centered life and they'll see it, they'll and they'll smell through the,
696. 47:36you know, the things that they shouldn't be smelling. They'll go, something is wrong with this here.
697. 47:42We have an opportunity to do these things. And this is why our relationship, not to
698. 47:46Shoo and I, Alex, but other guys around this nation being involved, shows like yours,
699. 47:52shows like Hamilton here. I know you're sitting in, I've had them on my show before. Fantastic
700. 47:57guy. We must unite to come together to do things like this if we're really going to make a difference.
701. 48:04And don't be afraid to talk about it. Whether it's racial issues, whatever it is, someone
702. 48:10has to have the courage, be bold enough. Let's talk. And if we do it, I think we'll be the
703. 48:15better for it.
704. 48:17And let me say a word to the godly young ladies out there. Don't settle. Okay, young ladies,
705. 48:24that night, K-N-I-G-H-T. Listen, if that guy doesn't love Jesus, he's not going to fully
706. 48:31love you. So I beg young ladies, you pray for that man of God. Somewhere there's a man of
707. 48:39God praying for a woman of God. And I want to tell you, the person you choose as a spouse
708. 48:47that's going to define so much. Listen, I know we had other callers and I apologize
709. 48:51colors. We're almost out of time. Bishop Aubrey Shines again, websites where
710. 48:57people can watch your television show, follow what you're doing online. Tell us
711. 49:02where to find you on the web. Really quick Aubrey's America. Just go
712. 49:07out to Aubrey's America or type in AubreyShines.com. I prefer Aubrey's America. You
713. 49:14can find every platform out there. You'll see the body of work. I think you'll
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