("Best-of" Edition from 8/7) Ryan Bomberger, Co-Founder of The Radiance Foundation, is facing a real book ban in the Pacific Northwest. (1)

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11. 1:00Church of Christ, so we will be at 7 p.m.
12. 1:04So about an hour, you have an hour
13. 1:07between this show ending and the service beginning
14. 1:11at Darbonne Church of Christ, where we will jump
15. 1:14into the Lord's Word together if you are in the area.
16. 1:17Or will it have come to the area
17. 1:19if you happen to be an hour away?
18. 1:20Well, guess what?
19. 1:21You have time to listen to this entire show,
20. 1:25then hop in your car and meet us at Darbonne Church of Christ
21. 1:29and Farmerville, Louisiana, we will be there 7 p.m. this evening.
22. 1:36So either if you're making your transition from your part-time job to your full-time jobs,
23. 1:40or if you're heading over to the Darbonne Church of Christ, I want to encourage you to do so
24. 1:45with intentionality, understanding the primacy that God places on family and welcoming His
25. 1:53view to govern, garden, to guide your view.
26. 1:56And when you peel the onion, so to speak, you get down to brass taxes, where the rubber
27. 2:01meets the row, whatever other cliches and metaphors you want to employ, when you get right down
28. 2:06to it, the issue of our day is disciple making.
29. 2:10That is the issue.
30. 2:12The issue is disciple making.
31. 2:13Who is going to do it?
32. 2:15And in which direction or in which manner will the disciple making occur?
33. 2:20Because the way that God has created us, discipleship is a constant.
34. 2:24is not a question of if it's a question of who and how.
35. 2:29Much of what is befall in our society frankly
36. 2:31is the product of discipleship.
37. 2:35Through a combination of affirmative indoctrination,
38. 2:39as well as negligence, meaning a failure
39. 2:43to provide truth generationally, generationally.
40. 2:48There is such a consistent phenomenon
41. 2:51and you guys have experienced it.
42. 2:53many of you have experienced it to where you have people even, they'll say, well, you know,
43. 2:58we raise our children in the church and only to learn.
44. 3:02Yeah, they turned away and I can't tell you how heartbroken I have been in studying and learning
45. 3:11and even hearing your stories of how voluntary familial estrangement has just reeked, has wrought
46. 3:22havoc in the lives of people all across this country.
47. 3:26And by and large, there has been an anti-Christ indoctrination and discipleship that's been
48. 3:33happening in our country.
49. 3:35And I know it's easy to use the word anti-Christ in a broad sense, but I don't mean it just
50. 3:41as a general catch-all excuse.
51. 3:43I really mean it with intended purpose because there has been a concerted effort, advanced,
52. 3:54Little by little step by step over time and we didn't just go to sleep and wake up one morning and then bam
53. 4:01Transgendarism that didn't happen. It's been little by little step by step
54. 4:08first, let's let's make it to be
55. 4:12socially unacceptable and to be
56. 4:15indicative of a lack of intellectual acuity for people to believe that God could create the entire
57. 4:24creation in
58. 4:25in six 24 hour days and rest on a seven day.
59. 4:27Let's make that, ah, I just know what you can believe that,
60. 4:31because the first attack going all the way back
61. 4:36to Genesis three was attack on what?
62. 4:38The authority and applicability of God's word.
63. 4:42Did God surely say, you sure that's what God said?
64. 4:47Does that really make sense to you?
65. 4:50Not recognizing a we, asserting or dare I say,
66. 4:54exalting ourselves against the truth of God's Word.
67. 4:58And then when the authority and the applicability
68. 5:01of God's Word is in question, then that calls doubt
69. 5:08across the board, not realizing that if you can challenge,
70. 5:13effectively challenge the authority
71. 5:14and applicability of God's Word,
72. 5:16you can get people to reject their desperate need
73. 5:18for a savior.
74. 5:20And that's what we're dealing with.
75. 5:23But if we, the people of God will understand
76. 5:29that Jesus knew full well, our Lord knew full well,
77. 5:31what was coming, which is why he gave us a commission,
78. 5:33to go there for and make discipline learners,
79. 5:37make disciples of the way of Messiah,
80. 5:39teaching the disciples to obey everything
81. 5:43that Christ has commanded us.
82. 5:44And that being a matter of first priority.
83. 5:50And we start that in our homes,
84. 5:52and we work outwardly from there.
85. 5:55So as you're making your transition,
86. 5:56let's do so with that being,
87. 5:58our foremost investment, a life investment with the time
88. 6:01that God has afforded us in his world.
89. 6:03To the word of God, we go.
90. 6:05This is gonna follow, or should I say,
91. 6:07go alongside with what we've just been discussing.
92. 6:10John chapter 12 verses 9-3-11 is where I wanna go.
93. 6:13John chapter 12 verses 9-3-11.
94. 6:17Earlier this week, we were talking about
95. 6:19the accountants scripture where Lazarus,
96. 6:21Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead.
97. 6:24And there was an immediate plot thereafter
98. 6:27by the Pharisees to kill Jesus.
99. 6:30Well, what you're gonna see, the scriptures show
100. 6:32what and only Jesus they were trying to kill.
101. 6:35So on the verses that proceed, verse nine,
102. 6:37in John chapter 12, the resurrected Lazarus
103. 6:41was kicking in Bethany, verses one through eight.
104. 6:45He's there, Mary's there, Jesus is there.
105. 6:49They're having dinner parties, if you will.
106. 6:52And crowds are amassing outside of the home
107. 6:56where Jesus and Lazarus and Mary and Martha,
108. 7:00where they all are.
109. 7:01And the scripture tells us, which you're gonna see,
110. 7:04that they came, many of them wanted to see Jesus.
111. 7:06Oh yes, yes you are, we wanna see him, but I don't know
112. 7:11if they were Jamaican, but may heard there
113. 7:12be a dead modern race back to life in there.
114. 7:15That was a terrible accident, I knew.
115. 7:17But may God see it anyway.
116. 7:20They heard that the resurrected Lazarus was in the house.
117. 7:24So people were coming because they wanted to see it.
118. 7:30I mean, can you envision that?
119. 7:31Man, look down there on Fifth Street, 1735, Fifth Street.
120. 7:36Go five blocks to North, three blocks west, go there.
121. 7:39That's the man.
122. 7:41He's in there right now, having dinner.
123. 7:43Raised from the dead, my dude was in the tomb four days.
124. 7:46We thought when they rolled that stone away,
125. 7:50man, the stench is coming.
126. 7:54Old boy is in there eating dinner right now.
127. 7:56guys, that's what was happening. That's the backdrop and context for the verses that we
128. 8:01have here. So I'm going to read John chapter 12 verses 9 through 11. This is what the
129. 8:06scripture says. When the large crowd of the Jews learned that Jesus was there, they came
130. 8:13not only on account of him, but also to see Lazarus, whom he had raised from the dead.
131. 8:21So the chief priests made plans to put Lazarus to death also because on account of him, many
132. 8:29of the Jews were going away and believing in Jesus.
133. 8:34So what you see here, as I mentioned to you already previously, the chief priests and the
134. 8:39Pharisees had already determined, man, we got to kill this Jesus.
135. 8:44This is before he went to the cross.
136. 8:45This is the Pharisees and we got to kill him.
137. 8:48And when you see later the scandal of the illegal trial, the consorting with the Romans, have
138. 8:59Jesus put the death, that was really just, I won't say just, but that was really the fulfillment
139. 9:04of a conspiracy that had already started long before that.
140. 9:08Long before that many of the priests were saying, we got to put this dude to death.
141. 9:11So it was kind of like, we want to kill him.
142. 9:13We just need to get a justification for our murder, you know?
143. 9:17But not only did they want to kill Jesus, because what did they seek to protect?
144. 9:21The script tells us they wanted to keep people keep Jews in particular from converting to
145. 9:27becoming followers of the way of Christ.
146. 9:30So the best way to do that is kill him.
147. 9:32Well, now you have an additional source of tangible evidence that he's no mere man.
148. 9:39He's truly God and truly man because the man who he raised from the dead is sitting
149. 9:43right there next to him at dinner.
150. 9:48So they confect the plot to kill Lazarus too.
151. 9:52Why did he want to kill Lazarus?
152. 9:53Because Lazarus served as potent evidence, exhibit A evidence that Jesus was exactly who
153. 10:01he said he was.
154. 10:04Now it's interesting that the Scriptures tell us very plainly that the, I would argue the
155. 10:09demonically inspired anti-Christ scheme was not interested at all in truth.
156. 10:20I don't want to paint overly broad with an overly broad brush.
157. 10:22There were many Pharisees that came to Christ.
158. 10:25You know, Nicodemus is one, right?
159. 10:28Christmas is another, Sosenees is another.
160. 10:31There were many Pharisees that came to Christ.
161. 10:35Paul is another, right?
162. 10:37But the general overarching position of the Pharisees
163. 10:41in the high priest in particular,
164. 10:43the chief priest in particular was Antichrist.
165. 10:46And so the plot to kill Jesus first
166. 10:48and then to kill Lazarus as well
167. 10:50is because they were not interested in whether or not Jesus could in fact truly be Messiah.
168. 10:55They were not interested in, well, could this be a true way?
169. 10:58We've had a lot of good teachers.
170. 11:00I mean, Gamelia was a beast to teach.
171. 11:04We even had in our nation's history amazing prophets.
172. 11:09But nobody who's claimed to be Messiah predicted his own death and resurrection and has demonstrated
173. 11:13the power while claiming to be God to raise from the dead.
174. 11:17Even if we had prophets who participated in resurrections like Elijah, he never claimed
175. 11:22to be God, yet this cat is claiming to be God.
176. 11:26And they were not interested in learning
177. 11:29whether or not that, whether it was true.
178. 11:31So what you see here are evil doers who sought
179. 11:35to advance their agenda, not by reason and persuasion
180. 11:41and logical articulation and rationality employed,
181. 11:44no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
182. 11:47they sought to advance their agenda by employing violence
183. 11:53to shut up their opposition.
184. 11:56This is why you see consistently the advocates
185. 11:59for things like censorship are people who recognize
186. 12:06that they are incapable of winning the day
187. 12:09through reason and persuasion.
188. 12:13You know what I mean?
189. 12:16They want us to just shut up their opposition.
190. 12:18That's why everywhere from Mao's China to Pol Pot
191. 12:23whole pot to Hitler, to Stalin, to Mussolini.
192. 12:31When you go down the line, these people didn't allow dissent.
193. 12:35Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, dehu?
194. 12:38Descent, well, that's what the Supreme Court writers write.
195. 12:41No, they're not allowing countervailing opinions.
196. 12:44They're going to enforce their hegemony by just that force.
197. 12:50You see the same thing happening in our country.
198. 12:54We experienced this during the Schmovit debacle.
199. 12:58We can't allow people to have an opinion
200. 13:00different than Anthony Fauci.
201. 13:03So what we need to do is shut down anybody
202. 13:05who's saying something different.
203. 13:08Hamilton Corner's gonna have Dr. Christina Parks on.
204. 13:11We'll just shut off his YouTube channel.
205. 13:15What I want you to see is that it's not,
206. 13:18because sometimes when we think about
207. 13:19or we use political terminology,
208. 13:21we can often lose our tether to the fact
209. 13:28that no, that's real evil afoot.
210. 13:30The desire to assert one's agenda by shutting up your opposition is a desire that comes
211. 13:37from hell, that comes from the fumes of hell.
212. 13:39It's a demonic desire.
213. 13:43It's a demonic desire.
214. 13:45And this is why you see more and more people, you know, a lot of regressives, surveys out
215. 13:49later who they think, well, yeah, you can use violence to protect yourself from hate speech
216. 13:54and says, what?
217. 13:55What?
218. 13:57Guys, that's because that ideology comes from the fumes of hell.
219. 14:02I also want you to know that this is why many of you are facing such strong opposition right
220. 14:08now is very similar to the reason why the plot was confected to kill Lazarus.
221. 14:14Why because you're tangible evidence of what Jesus says is true.
222. 14:20So the opposition cannot overcome the evidence.
223. 14:26So now we have to destroy the evidence.
224. 14:29of those tail as old as time. But we have no need to lose heart because
225. 14:36Satan, because Jesus has not allowed us to be ignorant to Satan's devices. We have
226. 14:45been given a privilege and the mandate to contend for the faith that has been
227. 14:50once and for all passed down to the saints. We've been ordained for this
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240. 16:07This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
241. 16:11Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham,
242. 16:13Hamilton III here.
243. 16:14I am delighted to be joined by my brother from another mother,
244. 16:18but the same heavenly father, Ryan Bomburger,
245. 16:21co-founder of the Radiance Foundation,
246. 16:23author of Should Have Been Aborted,
247. 16:25protagonist, I'll say it that way,
248. 16:27of the Should Have Been Aborted documentary,
249. 16:30which is just so powerful.
250. 16:33I just thank God for you, the work that you
251. 16:34and your wonderful wife and your beautiful family
252. 16:37are doing with the Radiance Foundation.
253. 16:39Thank you so much for joining me here again
254. 16:41on the Hamilton Corner.
255. 16:42Hey, it's great to be here with you.
256. 16:44Man, so when we were talking before we came on,
257. 16:49I was saying, you're just causing trouble
258. 16:50all over the world.
259. 16:52I don't know what an agitator's gonna be,
260. 16:54what an agitator be.
261. 16:56That's what I am.
262. 16:58Well, yeah, I'm gonna say it's a good thing.
263. 17:02It's a good thing because I know you
264. 17:03when I know your commitment to Christ
265. 17:05and your adherence to a biblical worldview.
266. 17:08So that agitation is welcome.
267. 17:11We love it, we need more of it.
268. 17:13Now what I'm talking about in particular
269. 17:14is that you and your lovely wife co-authored
270. 17:17a set of books a while ago.
271. 17:19He is he and she is she.
272. 17:21We talked about it here in the programs
273. 17:23that many of our listeners have been made aware
274. 17:26of what you're doing.
275. 17:27You have it right there if you're watching the show.
276. 17:28Those are the two books that I'm talking about.
277. 17:31They're children's books that are animated children's books.
278. 17:33For those who may not be aware of them, Ryan, what are those books about he is he
279. 17:38and she is she and why did you and Bethany write and publish them?
280. 17:44They are about God's biological design for us.
281. 17:47I mean, he made us male and female as obviously, as Genesis says, and so living
282. 17:52in Loudon County, Virginia, my wife and I decided, Hey, let's take on the pronouns.
283. 17:56So that's why we came up with he is he and she is she and the books is celebrate
284. 18:00beautiful biological her and adorable lovable him.
285. 18:04And it just celebrates what it means to be a girl, what it means to be boy
286. 18:07and celebrates motherhood and fatherhood.
287. 18:09That's what it is in a nutshell.
288. 18:11Shouldn't be controversial, but it's 2026 people.
289. 18:14I'm man and they're beautifully illustrated for those who may not have them yet.
290. 18:18What are you waiting for?
291. 18:20Go to radiancefoundation.org or radiance.life.
292. 18:23We'll take you there to order your copies of the books.
293. 18:25If you're watching, you can see both of the books right now, even on over
294. 18:28Ryan's right and left shoulders, that they're there,
295. 18:32beautifully animated, and they're for children.
296. 18:34It's amazing that we have to affirm this foundational
297. 18:38fundamental truth because the deception of our society
298. 18:43is so ubiquitous.
299. 18:45Now another question, I don't know if you can answer
300. 18:47this one or not, do you have direct mailing access
301. 18:50to send them to Justice Katanji Brown Jackson?
302. 18:52Because she might need to be reminded.
303. 18:56She could benefit.
304. 18:57I mean, who knew that we would have a justice
305. 18:59who couldn't, you know, define what a woman is,
306. 19:01but that would be great.
307. 19:03I should, I'm in DC often,
308. 19:05I should just drop by the Supreme Court and offer to.
309. 19:09I don't even know how that works.
310. 19:10How do you get something to a justice?
311. 19:11I don't.
312. 19:12So the answer to that is I don't.
313. 19:13Okay, okay.
314. 19:14I think I can help you figure that out.
315. 19:16I know how you can get it to her because she, her,
316. 19:19you know what I said, get it to her.
317. 19:21Mm-hmm.
318. 19:22Because she's clearly ambiguity.
319. 19:24No ambiguity at all.
320. 19:26Now, I asked you to join me on the show today because,
321. 19:29you know, I monitored the courts in our country
322. 19:31for a little bit and I came across this one case
323. 19:34in the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals
324. 19:36and it had to do with a gentleman who's a teacher
325. 19:39in the Oregon Public Schools, his name is Roderick E. Tice II.
326. 19:44No, righty Rod had the audacity,
327. 19:47the audacity to allow children in the school to read your books.
328. 19:53Would you explain a little bit about what's going on
329. 19:55with that case for our audience here
330. 19:56to bring them up to speed as it was transferred in our country.
331. 20:00Look, every teacher and employee in that school system,
332. 20:03Rod Tice is a licensed clinical social worker
333. 20:06and he works for Intermountain Education Service District,
334. 20:10which serves a number of school districts there in Oregon.
335. 20:13So like other teachers and other colleagues,
336. 20:17you know, they get to decorate their classroom,
337. 20:19they get to decorate their offices,
338. 20:20they get to put things in there that reflect who they are,
339. 20:23and that's what he did.
340. 20:24Other people put in Black Lives Matter and anti-ice posters
341. 20:29and pro-Palestinian posters and LGBTQ DEI stuff,
342. 20:35all that kind of stuff.
343. 20:36So he was putting in something that simply just reinforced
344. 20:41what is actually taught in the schools,
345. 20:44actually taught in their science classes.
346. 20:46They teach binary biological gender.
347. 20:48And so he displayed the books behind his desk.
348. 20:51He was not reading them to students.
349. 20:53He actually didn't read them at all.
350. 20:54There's one teacher who complained, one colleague who complained.
351. 20:58And what she did is she sent into eighth graders pretending to want to read the book
352. 21:04and Rod hadn't read the books.
353. 21:05It was just the offense was the covers and he had gone through months and months
354. 21:09of harassment, interrogation, all kinds of meetings, told that, you know,
355. 21:13he was acting in a hostile manner that the books had an animus towards certain
356. 21:18parts of the community. They weren't inclusive.
357. 21:20I mean, he went through months and months of that.
358. 21:21So all of a sudden, these eighth graders come into his classroom,
359. 21:23to read the books and the kept pressure and it was like intense pressure and he was uncomfortable
360. 21:29and he goes, okay I guess you can read the books. And so they read them out loud. The teacher who
361. 21:33or the colleague who filed the complaint was recording the eighth graders doing this. Then he
362. 21:40gets fired. ADF took his case and now went to the ninth circuit and we have this insane ruling two
363. 21:49to the one saying that expressing biological facts
364. 21:54is not protected speech.
365. 21:59That's where we are.
366. 21:59I'm laughing, that because this is funny.
367. 22:02This is absurd.
368. 22:06Before you came on the air, I was talking about John 12
369. 22:09verses 9-3-11 when after Lazarus was resurrected,
370. 22:14he was having dinner with Mary, Martha and Jesus,
371. 22:17and they're having basically a dinner party.
372. 22:19And crowds started to amass us outside their home
373. 22:22because Jesus was present, yes,
374. 22:24but a lot of the Jews wanted to see Lazarus, you know?
375. 22:27And that was followed by a plot to not only kill Jesus,
376. 22:31but to kill Lazarus too.
377. 22:33You know, because Lazarus was evidence,
378. 22:36exhibit A that what Jesus claimed was actually true.
379. 22:41And one of the points that I made is that
380. 22:44demonic schemes often include a conspiracy
381. 22:49to murder the evidence of truth.
382. 22:54And I see this happening now.
383. 22:55I mean, wouldn't this come from the same crowd
384. 22:57of people to say that we're against book bands?
385. 23:00They're not against book bands.
386. 23:02They are the book banners.
387. 23:03In fact, there is a, I don't remember the author,
388. 23:06but he wrote this extensively researched article
389. 23:10that detailed the book banning across the country
390. 23:12and he found irrefutably that the books that were banned
391. 23:17were those of conservative and Christian artists.
392. 23:19Those were the books that were largely being banned.
393. 23:21When the other side talks about book banning,
394. 23:24what they mean is they find it offensive
395. 23:26that a parent doesn't want porn and pedophilia
396. 23:29pedaled in their elementary school, middle school,
397. 23:33high school.
398. 23:34That's what they're talking about,
399. 23:35inappropriate content that doesn't belong in school.
400. 23:37It's not that people can't access it,
401. 23:38it's not that they're banned,
402. 23:40there's not some book burning,
403. 23:42but these books are actually being banned.
404. 23:44And that's the insanity of this whole thing,
405. 23:47that books that are reinforcing what is being taught
406. 23:50in the schools from a scientific perspective
407. 23:53are somehow too controversial that they create
408. 23:56in a hostile environment and aren't inclusive.
409. 23:59The insanity about that too is that how is a book,
410. 24:03I mean, over 90% of Americans identify as self-identify
411. 24:08according to Gallup as heterosexual.
412. 24:10How is it not inclusive when you're actually including
413. 24:12the vast majority of Americans who identify
414. 24:15particular way, but somehow a book that's that's culturally diverse, you know,
415. 24:20there's a color diversity in these books, that somehow is not inclusive. That's
416. 24:26that's how the school approached it and that's why they were incredibly hostile
417. 24:31to Rod Tice prior to him being fired and of course what led to the firing itself.
418. 24:35And now just to kind of run out reiterate some of the facts you mentioned
419. 24:40that Rod Tice just had the books in his classroom. He didn't affirmatively
420. 24:43require anybody to read him, he wasn't reading him to anybody,
421. 24:47but he was approached by two eighth graders
422. 24:49that just so happened to coincidentally
423. 24:52request to read the books out loud while one teacher,
424. 24:55one complaining teacher, just so happened to be recording.
425. 24:59Now, I'm sure that that is just a coincidence,
426. 25:03the surely, Rod Tysus colleague getting set him up
427. 25:07to set the stage for his ultimate harassment
428. 25:09and later ultimately even termination.
429. 25:12Right, I mean, it was a complete setup.
430. 25:13I just knew who to clarify something.
431. 25:15Rodta does not actually have a classroom.
432. 25:17He has an office.
433. 25:18He has two different offices in two different schools.
434. 25:21So it was an office.
435. 25:22Whereas in a classroom, these same teachers
436. 25:25are putting up all kinds of political propaganda all the time.
437. 25:29And propaganda that's actually in contradiction
438. 25:33to what they're teaching in their English classes
439. 25:35as far as pronouns and gender, and in their science classes.
440. 25:38So why aren't they held to that same standard?
441. 25:42Man, you know, it makes me think,
442. 25:43and I forgot the professor's name,
443. 25:44but he was a professor at a university
444. 25:47in San Antonio, Texas,
445. 25:49and he was teaching biology,
446. 25:51and he was literally teaching
447. 25:53the biological chromosomal makeup of humankind,
448. 25:57and the university fired him.
449. 25:59They fired him for teaching that,
450. 26:01and it's like, this is literally a science class.
451. 26:03This was not just in another class,
452. 26:06in the same class that he taught there
453. 26:07for like well over a decade,
454. 26:10but they fired him for it,
455. 26:11Because the reality is though the science confirms
456. 26:14the truth, everything else.
457. 26:16So see, the social network, the social system of the school
458. 26:22is contradicting that, which is why they fired Rod Tikes.
459. 26:26Now you mentioned before that the rationale
460. 26:29of the court in this because man,
461. 26:32I'm sick and tired of the insanity coming
462. 26:34from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.
463. 26:37But for the court to say that, wait a minute,
464. 26:40having these books and these children read them
465. 26:44of their own request, that's another thing.
466. 26:47In his office is not protected speech
467. 26:49by the first amendment.
468. 26:51Like this is crazy.
469. 26:53Would you share a little bit about the lunacy
470. 26:55and the ruling as best as you can concerning
471. 27:00what the Ninth Circuit ruled in this case?
472. 27:02Sure thing, actually I wanna read one sentence from the ruling.
473. 27:05Yeah, please.
474. 27:06Again, it was a two one decision,
475. 27:08but it says here, no court has found that teachers,
476. 27:10First Amendment rights,
477. 27:12extended to choosing their own curriculum
478. 27:14or classroom management techniques
479. 27:16in contravention of school policy or dictates.
480. 27:20Here, and this is one of the things they held against him,
481. 27:24that he was actually providing a different curriculum.
482. 27:26How was he providing a curriculum by having images?
483. 27:29I mean, the teacher who filed the complaint,
484. 27:31by the way, I'm holding this book up again,
485. 27:33who filed the complaint, never actually read the book.
486. 27:36she was or he actually I'm not sure if it's a she or he.
487. 27:39Maybe that person's not even aware whether he's a he or she.
488. 27:43Anyway, that wouldn't be surprising.
489. 27:45But he is he.
490. 27:47This is what offended, and this is my son, Justice, by the way.
491. 27:51He's not offensive at all.
492. 27:54But didn't read the content of the book,
493. 27:55but here you have this statement made.
494. 27:59He what actually, and they were saying
495. 28:01that he was doing this in contradiction
496. 28:04to the curriculum that was decided.
497. 28:05Actually, he was reinforcing the curriculum
498. 28:09that was decided in these schools.
499. 28:11So there again, one of many false assertions
500. 28:15in this ruling that is deeply troubling,
501. 28:17but it goes deeper.
502. 28:19Like if you have, if you're a teacher,
503. 28:21or you're a public education specialist in these schools,
504. 28:27what this court is saying is everything that comes out
505. 28:29of your mouth is government speech.
506. 28:31That's not true.
507. 28:33I mean, if a student asks you a question, for instance,
508. 28:35about your faith, your muzzled,
509. 28:38you're not allowed to answer the question.
510. 28:40I know it's a different thing to actually bring up
511. 28:42the subject, but if a student asks you,
512. 28:44everything that comes out of your mouth is government speech,
513. 28:47everything that these other teachers are adorning
514. 28:50their offices and classrooms with, that's government speech.
515. 28:53When they say government, the same government
516. 28:54that gives us in the First Amendment,
517. 28:57our free speech does not say,
518. 28:59oh, only certain government employees, no, this is the problem.
519. 29:03And this is why I believe strongly that appealing to the Supreme Court.
520. 29:06This, I know they've had difficulty in trying to figure this out.
521. 29:10Oh, the other thing that the distortion was the Kennedy case, the coach who prayed during
522. 29:14going to the games.
523. 29:15Yeah.
524. 29:16Yes.
525. 29:17They distorted that whole decision from the Supreme Court saying that that was not public,
526. 29:21that was a private and personal sort of thing.
527. 29:25It was not private and personal.
528. 29:26Yes, it was personal.
529. 29:27Yes.
530. 29:28In front of everyone.
531. 29:29It was still in the course of his duties.
532. 29:32Yes.
533. 29:33They distorted that too saying that no, it wasn't, this was private and personal, it wasn't in the, in the
534. 29:40carrying out his duties. It was exactly in the carrying out of his duties. And so
535. 29:45if the Supreme Court actually accepts this, hopefully they can reverse this. The problem is,
536. 29:49this covers, people don't realize the 9th Circuit and these Circuit Courts, they cover wide areas.
537. 29:54You've got, you know, Washington, Oregon, California, Nevada, Arizona, Idaho, Montana, Alaska, Hawaii.
538. 30:00I don't have to, I missed any.
539. 30:01No, you do.
540. 30:02That's who it covers.
541. 30:03The largest circuit in the appellate system in our country.
542. 30:07Yeah.
543. 30:08I mean, if that's not going to strike fear in other teachers, I mean, you already have
544. 30:13a lack of courage.
545. 30:14I'm just going to say this because I witnessed this in Loudon County, Virginia, a lack of
546. 30:18teachers, Christian teachers standing up for their fellow teachers when Tanner crossed stood
547. 30:23up against the school here for policy, 8040, which was a pro-trans gender, anti-parent policy.
548. 30:30He stood with maybe three other teachers.
549. 30:33I mean, that was it.
550. 30:35But if this ruling have such a chilling effect on free speech and on the ability to actually
551. 30:43be someone who has the First Amendment afforded to them, because government employees don't
552. 30:47lose their constitutional rights when they step on the taxpayer funded property.
553. 30:51Man, I want to come back to TANO Cross in a moment, but I think it's important to point
554. 30:56out that this is the same Ninth Circuit that got the coach Joe Kennedy case wrong when the
555. 31:01case came to them originally before the Supreme Court reversed them previously.
556. 31:05So it doesn't surprise me that they pervert the Supreme Court's ruling in the Coach Kennedy
557. 31:12case because they're the ones who ruled in the wrong way previously when the case was
558. 31:16before them, right?
559. 31:18Exactly.
560. 31:19Exactly.
561. 31:20So they must have been going off of their initial ruling.
562. 31:23like yours is invalid.
563. 31:25Yours doesn't hold any weight.
564. 31:28And I know our friends at ADF,
565. 31:29for those who don't know what's in line,
566. 31:31defending freedom, who are representing Rottice,
567. 31:34thank God for them for taking this up.
568. 31:37I'm pretty sure they're gonna be all over the fact
569. 31:39that they may very well be attempting
570. 31:41the two judges of the three judge panel
571. 31:43attempting to kind of force into this case
572. 31:47their wrong rationale concerning the Coase Jocannity case
573. 31:50that the Supreme Court's ultimately reversed,
574. 31:52which would likely may very well likely lead
575. 31:56to the Supreme Court reversing them again in this place.
576. 32:02Well, that's the disrespect for music.
577. 32:04I pause because I had this needs.
578. 32:05I'm sorry.
579. 32:06The disrespect for music here,
580. 32:08I want to revisit the Tanner Cross case
581. 32:10that was right in your own backyard
582. 32:12when we come back on the other side of the break
583. 32:13and then to move the conversation forward
584. 32:17to discuss the necessity to have the courage
585. 32:22to live the truth and proclaim the truth in our society.
586. 32:25listening to and or watching the Hamilton Corner. My guest is co-founder of the Radiance Foundation and
587. 32:31God ordained
588. 32:34agitator
589. 32:35Ryan Brownberger stick with us. We'll be right back after this break
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602. 33:45Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here. My guest is Ryan
603. 33:49Baumburger and we're discussing really just this egregious ruling out of the Ninth Circuit Court
604. 33:54of Appeals concerning Rod Tice II. Like saying that, you know, like that. Rod Tice II, who is a licensed
605. 34:03clinical social worker, he just had the he and she books on display in his office was basically
606. 34:09set up by a colleague who dispatched to 8th graders to read the books out loud.
607. 34:15I'm sure, man, that's what 12 and 13 years ago's do.
608. 34:17Can I, can I, Mr. Tice, can I see that book?
609. 34:20And then I turned the page and he was he.
610. 34:23I'm sure that's what the children do all the time, right?
611. 34:26They just so happen to be recorded by the one teacher who complained that Mr.
612. 34:32Tice had the books on his shelf.
613. 34:33It's just, it's frankly disgusting.
614. 34:36And as we were talking about that, you mentioned the case right in your own backyard with Tanner
615. 34:42Cross.
616. 34:43That happens a little while back in Loudoun County and some may not remember that case.
617. 34:49But I certainly do and I think it's appropriate to bring it up as we're discussing Rod Ticis
618. 34:53case currently before the Ninth Circuit, which I'm almost positive.
619. 34:58I'm almost 100% certain that Alliance of Indian Freedom will appeal this to the Supreme Court.
620. 35:03Well the Supreme Court has to answer the question
621. 35:08Just
622. 35:10They created the problem when they decided that the Civil Rights Act when it referred to sex
623. 35:17It was
624. 35:19Of course, yes, it's a gorsage of the boston case. Yep. Yes. He's the one who
625. 35:24Sided with with those who said that yeah, sex included gender identity and sexual orientation gender identity. That's for me
626. 35:32what started so much of this.
627. 35:35So you got the public schools that are deep,
628. 35:38way in over their heads, as far as swimming in the pools
629. 35:43of LGBTQ plus, plus, plus, plus, and when it comes
630. 35:47to gender confusion.
631. 35:48In Loudon County, they have a policy, 80, 40,
632. 35:50that basically says, if a girl wants to be called a boy,
633. 35:52teacher must call him a boy, or vice versa.
634. 35:56If the boy wants to be called a girl,
635. 35:58they have to buy by that Tanner Cross,
636. 36:00who has now become a friend of mine,
637. 36:02Dare to actually speak at a school board meeting
638. 36:04in Loudoun County and said,
639. 36:05look, I love my students too much to call a boy,
640. 36:07a girl and a girl, a boy, I just can't do this.
641. 36:09It's lying to them and it's a sin.
642. 36:12Cause I just can't do that.
643. 36:14And so he was relieved, he was put on
644. 36:17administrative leave the very next day.
645. 36:20Well, it took several courts and then it got
646. 36:22to the Virginia Supreme Court and they reinstated his job.
647. 36:26I mean, the fact that you have to be reinstated for a,
648. 36:31physical education teacher, that's his role.
649. 36:34He studied biology, he knows this stuff.
650. 36:37For him to have to get his job back by a Supreme Court
651. 36:41in the state is just insane.
652. 36:44Unfortunately, Loudon County Public Schools
653. 36:47and many public schools all across the country
654. 36:49not only are instituting these gender confusion,
655. 36:53gender attacking policies and also parent severing,
656. 36:58being a child parent severing policies.
657. 37:02They're ignoring the recent Supreme Court ruling on Title IX.
658. 37:05The Supreme Court, ah, they used the wrong word
659. 37:10where they said schools may create these policies.
660. 37:13They should have said schools shall
661. 37:16because they have to abide,
662. 37:18how do you get a taxpayer funded entity
663. 37:22to abide by the law?
664. 37:24You don't say, well, you can create this
665. 37:26or you may create this.
666. 37:27No, you shall. That's where the Supreme Court aired. But of course, Loudoun County, Fairfax
667. 37:32County and several other counties in our state are ignoring it and many others from coast to coast.
668. 37:39And it's creating this kind of problem. Tanner Cross was part of that collateral damage
669. 37:46because he was one of the few teachers who was courageous enough to stand up.
670. 37:51And that that deficiency or deficit and courage is something that is not limited to
671. 37:56the educational arena, but we're seeing it all around across the board in our society,
672. 38:04which again, going back to John 12, that's the whole purpose of this kind of
673. 38:09censorious totalitarian disposition to where you not only want to stop the immediate
674. 38:14provocateur, but you also want to sit on kind of a chilling effect on any others
675. 38:19who might be willing to step up and to say something that would contravene the
676. 38:25prevailing notions that seek to be established as standard.
677. 38:29But what does the Lord require of us who profess to be his children,
678. 38:34who are armed with his word and are indwelled by his spirit?
679. 38:41He expects us to speak the truth. He expects us to, I mean, we're supposed to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
680. 38:47What is the gospel? It is truth. It is truth about the entire human condition.
681. 38:51And if we're not willing to speak up,
682. 38:55speak the truth into areas of God-given design.
683. 38:59I mean, when we talk about identity, that's everything.
684. 39:03How God designed us and why He designed us,
685. 39:06how He designed us and how that's to be carried out.
686. 39:10And also the fact that we're not even moving many Christians,
687. 39:13not even move to protect young children.
688. 39:16We're talking about irreversible damage
689. 39:18being done to these young children,
690. 39:20not just because of the puberty blockers
691. 39:23and the body mutilating surgeries,
692. 39:25which now are being pushed on these young children,
693. 39:29but because of the mindset,
694. 39:30because first and foremost, they're spirit.
695. 39:34We are too, especially as a parent,
696. 39:37I'm to guard my children,
697. 39:39not just physically, most important spiritually.
698. 39:42And so many Christians have abdicated
699. 39:44their responsibility and their role in this.
700. 39:46They give it up to the school, they give it up to media,
701. 39:49they give it up to sports,
702. 39:50They give it up to, it's like when Jesus said,
703. 39:52we're under diseases, what are Caesars?
704. 39:54What belongs to Caesars?
705. 39:57Our children don't belong to Caesars.
706. 39:58Amen.
707. 39:59Our children's spiritual lives don't belong to Caesars.
708. 40:01Our children's bodies certainly don't belong to Caesars.
709. 40:04And yet so many Christian parents are willing to do that,
710. 40:07either by their direct action or by their,
711. 40:11their complicit nature, their apathy.
712. 40:14It's heartbreaking.
713. 40:17That's why when I talk about being in a agitator,
714. 40:18I mean, I'm agitating because I do it out of love, you know.
715. 40:23We're motivated to love, love rejoices in the truth.
716. 40:27And that's why I agitate.
717. 40:30That's why there are many others that I work with who are agitators, who are factivists
718. 40:34like I am, because they understand what our calling is.
719. 40:41We are to preach the gospel, yes, we are to save souls.
720. 40:44And in that process, we also have to, I mean, Proverbs 31, 8 through 9.
721. 40:49comes to mind. I mean, we're the voice for the voiceless, ensuring justice for those being crushed.
722. 40:53Literally being crushed. Yeah. And, and, you know, the great commission is, is to, you know,
723. 40:58make disciples and that deficiency encouraged, man, it's, it's, it's rife, you know, it's rife
724. 41:06all over our country. And there were many, and I see this case as one of the examples to show
725. 41:10that that is not true. There are many who are saying, well, you know, quote, unquote, woke is done and
726. 41:14and all that's over with it.
727. 41:15I'm just like, whoa, when you say those kind of things,
728. 41:18it shows that there's potentially an ignorance
729. 41:21as to the nature of evil.
730. 41:23Like it doesn't stop.
731. 41:25It doesn't just say, oh, lost that one.
732. 41:27Guess how I'm going?
733. 41:28Go hiking.
734. 41:29You know, that's not how it works.
735. 41:33It doesn't at all.
736. 41:34Because reality is discipleship with the constant.
737. 41:37There's a lot you mentioned that complicity often
738. 41:39is a result of apathy.
739. 41:41you know, that what we allow is reflective of what we also embrace and believe.
740. 41:47Not only what we are affirmatively representing, but what we passively, and I would argue,
741. 41:52negligently, allow speaks to that as well.
742. 41:55But in terms of the idea that, you know, the era of work is over, what would you say to somebody
743. 42:02would say, oh, Ryan, why are you making a big deal of all of this stuff?
744. 42:06You know, Trump was elected and those things are passé.
745. 42:11What would you say to a person who would say that to you?
746. 42:14Okay, well, Trump is not Jesus, no matter the AI renderings that are released.
747. 42:21He is not our savior, only Christ is our savior.
748. 42:25And you're right, evil doesn't, evil is relentless.
749. 42:29It never sleeps.
750. 42:31Thankfully, God and His goodness are even more powerful.
751. 42:35We have to be forever vigilant.
752. 42:37I mean, for people to say, you know,
753. 42:39woke is dead and all these, you know, corporate America,
754. 42:42they've now separated from them.
755. 42:45They just changed the names and they just wait.
756. 42:47That's what evil likes to do.
757. 42:48Just like, this is Laylow for a little bit.
758. 42:50And then all of a sudden we'll re-emerge
759. 42:53and we'll call it something on social-emotional learning.
760. 42:55Yeah.
761. 42:56That's what they call it in elementary schools.
762. 42:57It's the same garbage.
763. 42:59It's the same critical race theory,
764. 43:00which critical race theory isn't the beginning of,
765. 43:03Evil has existed in all kinds of forms and separation
766. 43:06and trying to pretend that, you know,
767. 43:09the word of God isn't the answer in the remedy
768. 43:12for humankind's ails.
769. 43:14I mean, critical race theory is nothing new.
770. 43:16It's just, it's a rebrand of evil from way back one.
771. 43:20And so it really frustrates me
772. 43:22because it allows Christians the false sense of confidence
773. 43:25that they've done it.
774. 43:27We've done our job.
775. 43:28And like you said with discipleship,
776. 43:30My kids are 21, 18, 17, and 15.
777. 43:34The discipleship never ends.
778. 43:36It may take on different forms and different tactics,
779. 43:39but it never ends because Satan is constantly seeking
780. 43:42to devour.
781. 43:43He does not take time off.
782. 43:46And we as Christians can't take time off either.
783. 43:49Amen.
784. 43:50I mean, it is not our place to be perpetually on defense.
785. 43:56to be perpetually on defense.
786. 43:59We have got to assert affirmatively
787. 44:02what it is we're seeking to pursue.
788. 44:04I've been talking a lot recently
789. 44:05about what the ascendancy of things
790. 44:08like the Democratic Socialists of America
791. 44:10and all of the things that are happening
792. 44:12because there has been a chasm that's created
793. 44:14that has allowed the messages of the DSA
794. 44:17to be attractive to a segment of our society.
795. 44:20And I've said it's not enough for us
796. 44:22to highlight the historical evidences
797. 44:26that the facts are Marxism, wherever it's been embraced,
798. 44:29has breed death, poverty, and destruction.
799. 44:32Every single time. Absolutely right.
800. 44:35But it's not enough for us to say that
801. 44:37without offering a clear affirmative vision
802. 44:40for what we should pursue, not merely what we are resisting
803. 44:43and opposed to, but what are we affirmatively pursuing?
804. 44:47And that needs to be even the more fervently
805. 44:50and passionately communicated.
806. 44:53What do you say in light of that,
807. 44:55especially with the example like the DSA,
808. 44:58getting more and more popularity,
809. 44:59the Democrat nominee for the US Senate seat in Michigan,
810. 45:03just this week, is a close fellow
811. 45:06and close friend and fellow with a son piker
812. 45:09and all of the DSA people are you saying,
813. 45:10I'm not a Marxist, but all my friends
814. 45:12just happen to be Marxist, Islamists, but I'm not one.
815. 45:18Right, sure, sure you're not.
816. 45:20So they depend on ignorance.
817. 45:21And what better way to be able to dupe a population
818. 45:25than to dumb them down on our public schools?
819. 45:26Because that's what keeps happening.
820. 45:28That's why these scores that keep falling,
821. 45:30this is not unintentional.
822. 45:33I mean, there is a reason why.
823. 45:35And not having a grasp of history allows people
824. 45:38like the democratic socialists of America,
825. 45:41the communists of America,
826. 45:44to pretend that history doesn't matter.
827. 45:47And they can just make up stuff.
828. 45:48Like when you heard AOC talking about the Senate
829. 45:50was created by Jim Crow.
830. 45:52Well, the Senate was formed, I believe in 1789.
831. 45:55Jim Crow laws and black codes, 1877 is when that emerged.
832. 45:58So no, the Senate was not created by Jim Crow,
833. 46:01but when you have no understanding of history
834. 46:04and you're prone to just reacting to, oh, well, it's racism.
835. 46:09Jim Crow, that's horrible.
836. 46:10Well, of course you brought us Jim Crow.
837. 46:11You can thank the Democratic Party.
838. 46:13Of course, you wouldn't know that from the blacks,
839. 46:15the Smithsonian, the African American Museum of History and Culture.
840. 46:18I just went to that a few days ago and you would never know.
841. 46:22It was almost like there weren't two parties involved in the abolition of slavery.
842. 46:26But DSA, they depend on the total ignorance of the past so that they'd
843. 46:33then rewrite the present.
844. 46:35And for people who want to give up on capitalism as an economic theory,
845. 46:39it's absolutely insane.
846. 46:41But it's because we have abandoned, like what I have on my shirt,
847. 46:45we have abandoned basic truths.
848. 46:48We've abandoned basic truths about ourselves.
849. 46:51And it's so much, if you can confuse people and get them
850. 46:54to just disregard who were created to be,
851. 46:58everything else is easy.
852. 47:00And that's why they've had such a stranglehold
853. 47:04because we have a spiritual crisis going on in this country.
854. 47:08Yes, we have an education crisis,
855. 47:11but more importantly, we have a spiritual crisis
856. 47:13which is allowing these openings
857. 47:16and for people to embrace such destructive lies.
858. 47:19I can't even believe, I cannot believe we're facing this
859. 47:23in 2026 and I'll tell you what, the conservatives
860. 47:26who are laughing this off, I hope AOC runs
861. 47:28and I'll let the DSA run.
862. 47:30You guys are ignorant.
863. 47:31You don't even see that evil is right at the gate
864. 47:35and the gate's been blown down.
865. 47:39Man.
866. 47:40I'm an optimist though.
867. 47:42I am an optimist because I do believe
868. 47:44that Christians can turn this around.
869. 47:46And it is only Christians that will be able to turn this
870. 47:49around to influence those in power, including Trump,
871. 47:52to be making better decisions, including our other
872. 47:54elected leaders.
873. 47:55So I am hopeful.
874. 47:56I'm not a doom and gloom, but my word, wake up people,
875. 47:59wake up.
876. 48:01What is the core of your hope?
877. 48:03You say you're optimistic and you have hope,
878. 48:05what's the core of that?
879. 48:07Jesus.
880. 48:08I mean, that's the only.
881. 48:11He is the reason for hope.
882. 48:13He is the reason for the confidence that we can shift culture, that we as a praying nation,
883. 48:21I mean my people call by my name, will humble themselves and pray.
884. 48:26Oh my word, pray.
885. 48:28That's the only, I do that as a father.
886. 48:30I'm praying every day for my wife and for my kiddos.
887. 48:33That is the battleground.
888. 48:36Jesus is the core.
889. 48:37Jesus is the hope and that's my only hope.
890. 48:41Amen.
891. 48:41I have nothing without him.
892. 48:4215 seconds Ryan, how can people keep up with you
893. 48:44in the work that you're doing with the Radiance Foundation?
894. 48:47Go to radiance.life, check us out on social media.
895. 48:51Also you can check out my latest book.
896. 48:53Should have been aborted at shouldhavebeenaborted.com.
897. 48:57Do it.
898. 48:58It's worth it.
899. 48:59Not only for yourself, share it with your friends and family.
900. 49:02This message and the truth, even Ryan's personal testimony,
901. 49:05is evidence of the truth of God's Word.
902. 49:09The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family Association or American Family Radio.