While in Turkey for a NATO Summit, President Trump says “it’s over” concerning a deal with Iran

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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
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12. 0:35Welcome to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third.
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18. 0:58You know, people say a lot of things about young people this day, but our sister Kennedy
19. 1:03Green who's with us, interning with us this summer, I haven't told her this.
20. 1:08So she might blush.
21. 1:11But you know, she and our brothers, she has a twin brother.
22. 1:15They both are here.
23. 1:17And just interacting with them gives me encouragement.
24. 1:20It's a source of encouragement for me concerning younger people because contrary to popular examples,
25. 1:27She is a young woman laden with grace and elegance.
26. 1:32There's an evident gentleness.
27. 1:35In my view, that's the result of her being steeped in the Lord.
28. 1:39And I'm just grateful to have her with us this summer.
29. 1:41So welcome.
30. 1:43Yet again, and I mean, you know, because there are a lot of horrible examples of young people.
31. 1:49Horrible.
32. 1:50You know.
33. 1:51And I was, pardon me for telling the truth.
34. 1:53I'm just telling the truth.
35. 1:55I too was young once.
36. 1:58I wasn't horrible though.
37. 1:59I was.
38. 2:00By the way, I was.
39. 2:01I was.
40. 2:02I was.
41. 2:03Now, I remember this encouraging, you know, and I just, y'all know, my position is, I don't
42. 2:09want to be a person who just, uh, denounces the darkness.
43. 2:13Man, let's turn the light on, you know, so I think it's good to highlight people like
44. 2:17Kennedy.
45. 2:18So we're blessed to have her this summer.
46. 2:20And we're ready to rock and roll with today's edition of the program.
47. 2:22At this very moment, many of you, if not most of you are making your transition from your
48. 2:27part time jobs where you generate an income to your full time jobs where you cultivate
49. 2:33an outcome. And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so with intentionality, understanding
50. 2:38the primacy that God places on family and allowing that and allow the candidate to ask
51. 2:45him to see you on camera. Hey, listen, I want you all to know I gave her the option. Do you
52. 2:49want to be on camera? Do you she said, no, I don't want to be on camera. I'm working on
53. 2:54I think I'm a geter out here on camera before the end of the summer maybe maybe I don't know what you think
54. 3:00Jeff you think is gonna happen
55. 3:03And Jeff think you can slide in like I didn't smell that barber saw as you walked in but I saw I saw I smelled it
56. 3:09He thought I smell it I smelled you know that line and crisp like a fresh
57. 3:18I'm leaving alone
58. 3:21for now for now for now as you're making your transition to your full-time jobs
59. 3:25that is where you have the opportunity to invest and to cultivate the type of
60. 3:33populace that is conducive to our Constitution Republican former government
61. 3:38most importantly where you have the opportunity to participate in the
62. 3:42execution of our Kings Commission you know there's been lots of conversation
63. 3:47about the Great Commission and the Cultural Commission, but the foundation for an appetite
64. 3:54for the Cultural Commission starts in the homes following the execution of the Great Commission.
65. 3:59It is once we as human beings are born again, we then have our eyes open to the transcendent
66. 4:08splendor that is Christ that causes us to live our lives with every breath that He gives
67. 4:13us for his glory. And so we should be a part of executing what God has called us to and
68. 4:22in so doing, embracing his commands, obeying what he's required of us and be a part of God's
69. 4:27establishment and expansion of his kingdom. And we get to enjoy that on this side of eternity
70. 4:32with the blessed hope of spending the remainder of our existence beholding our king face to face
71. 4:38no longer through a glass dimly.
72. 4:41What a hope that we have.
73. 4:45To the Word of God, we go.
74. 4:46Second Corinthians chapter four
75. 4:48is where we're gonna begin the program today.
76. 4:49Second Corinthians chapter four,
77. 4:52the Apostle Paul is writing here as a Spirit of God,
78. 4:57moves him and he says something that is profound
79. 5:00that I think that I won't say I think,
80. 5:04but it can become something that we fail to keep
81. 5:07the forefront of our minds and hearts as we are engaging in life and endeavoring to do
82. 5:13what I just encourage us to do, which is to execute the Great Commission.
83. 5:20In 2 Corinthians 4, I'm going to start at verse 3.
84. 5:23I say it in verse 3.
85. 5:26I'm going to make that correction.
86. 5:33in the next chapter, four, verse three through six.
87. 5:38And this is what God's word says.
88. 5:42And even if our gospel is veiled,
89. 5:46it is veiled to those who are perishing.
90. 5:50In whose case the God of this world
91. 5:53has blinded the minds of the unbelieving
92. 5:58so that they might not see the light of the gospel,
93. 6:02of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
94. 6:06For we do not preach ourselves,
95. 6:09but Christ Jesus as Lord,
96. 6:12and ourselves as your bondservants for Jesus' sake.
97. 6:17For God who said, light shall shine out of darkness,
98. 6:22is the one who has shown in our hearts
99. 6:26to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God
100. 6:31in the face of Christ.
101. 6:35Now, one of the things in the last verse that I read
102. 6:39concludes with a reference to the transcendent splendor
103. 6:49and the glory that is replete in Christ.
104. 6:55This is something that has just been consistently
105. 6:58on my heart as to how the demonic effort
106. 7:02of the spirit of the age is to strip away
107. 7:05from the professing believer a proper estimation
108. 7:10for the treasure that is Christ Jesus.
109. 7:14That the core source of rejoicing and of glorying
110. 7:24and worshiping our Lord.
111. 7:26And as I said rejoicing is Christ,
112. 7:29not merely what He does for us in our temporal lives,
113. 7:33but the fact that Christ is our prize.
114. 7:36He is the door by which we enter into eternal life.
115. 7:41He is the door to the narrow way Christ is the treasure.
116. 7:47And much of what is promulgated in our world
117. 7:50works feverishly to squeeze our focus and our attention
118. 7:55and to cultivate our desires away from that reality
119. 7:58so that we make much of everything else.
120. 8:02so that all so many other things become more important.
121. 8:05So that other things become preeminent.
122. 8:06I've explained to you numerous times
123. 8:08that the Old Testament depiction of idolatry
124. 8:11is never the people of God abandoning Yahweh worship in total.
125. 8:16What it always is depicted as is that God's people
126. 8:22relegate Yahweh to be one among many of equal veneration.
127. 8:27that you have the the the Israelite
128. 8:33Gideon's father having an altar to bow in his front yard that you have as we were mentioning yesterday
129. 8:40the entire tribe of Dan
130. 8:43Cultivating for themselves a rogue Levi with household idols
131. 8:48creating shrines of idols
132. 8:51They're keeping a form of Yahweh worship, but violating Yahweh standards and making him one among many
133. 8:58in that same phenomenon is repeated generation after generation after generation, but it is
134. 9:05our opportunity and our responsibility to resist the press of the age to strip us away from the
135. 9:13perspective and the position in recognizing that Jesus Christ is our treasure, that he is the prize.
136. 9:20And in that light verse 4 nails something that we can conveniently forget and we
137. 9:32which the Apostle Paul says, as the Spirit of God moves him,
138. 9:34in whose case the lower case, G, God of this world,
139. 9:38has blinded the minds of the unbelieving,
140. 9:42so that they might not see the light of the gospel
141. 9:45of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.
142. 9:49What I wanna say in that regard is that we must refuse
143. 9:52to underestimate the significance of peoples.
144. 9:56And notice the scripture says,
145. 9:56whose minds are blinded, whose minds are blinded.
146. 10:01Have you, and I'm saying this rhetorically,
147. 10:02because I'm pretty sure many of you in this audience
148. 10:05have had this experience.
149. 10:06Have you had the experience where you're attempting
150. 10:09to reason what someone, and you're articulating
151. 10:12with clarity and your logic is sound,
152. 10:15and you're quite rational in your presentation,
153. 10:19yet the person with whom you're having a conversation
154. 10:24just seemed completely incapable of grasping
155. 10:27what you're saying.
156. 10:28We're having, Bob and I was talking about this
157. 10:29before we came on the air.
158. 10:30We're having a conversation about
159. 10:32some of those things publicly wanted to touch down planks of the so-called democratic socialists
160. 10:36of America, uh, is that they are accusing Israel of genocide and genocide against Arabs.
161. 10:43When the facts, just the simple facts, no emotion, no, no, no, no, um, spend on anything.
162. 10:50The simple facts are 20 to 30% of the, the national population of Israel is comprised
163. 10:54of Arabs right now.
164. 10:56I'm talking to you.
165. 10:57Millions of Arabs make their home in Israel right now.
166. 11:04Israel's parliament, the Knesset includes Arab speaking Arabs, Muslims in their Knesset.
167. 11:17Not all Arabs are Muslims, but they're in the Knesset.
168. 11:22I was on today's issues earlier and I said, how come easily we forget when Ariel Sharom
169. 11:29was Prime Minister of Israel and he forcibly removed Israelis from the Gaza Strip. Like
170. 11:35this was their homes. It will be the equivalent of the United States president saying, Hey,
171. 11:40Bob, you know that palatial estate that you and the Mrs. Enjoy, you know, y'all moved
172. 11:44all the way from the Communist Coast, northeast to venture over here in America with your
173. 11:50passport and all. But you know what, we're going to re appropriate that palatial estate.
174. 11:57So eminent domain and such.
175. 12:01That's literally what happened.
176. 12:03To literally give homes, to Arabs.
177. 12:06Guys, that's not genocide.
178. 12:13That's not genocide.
179. 12:16And the reality is that there's a war happening today.
180. 12:21And the war, how did the war start?
181. 12:23Boys and girls.
182. 12:25The war started because Hamas, you know, the terrorist institution and organization.
183. 12:35That is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood funded by Iran, attacked civilians on October
184. 12:437th.
185. 12:45Was there any war before October 7th?
186. 12:50And I've heard somebody say, well, they're starving Palestinians.
187. 12:54I was like, Israel gives food now to Palestinian civilians.
188. 13:02But it's amazing to me.
189. 13:03Nobody thinks about or even I won't say nobody, but many of the people who are making the genocide
190. 13:07claims, these people don't say anything about the billions of dollars that have been given
191. 13:15to people in the West Bank and other places that have not been utilized for housing and
192. 13:20for food and things of that nature, but they use them to build tunnels.
193. 13:25For what purposes were those tunnels constructed, you might ask?
194. 13:29Tunnels that lead from Hamas strongholds that go underneath schools and hospitals so
195. 13:34so that they can perpetuate terrorist guerrilla warfare type strikes, but then nestle amongst
196. 13:40hospitals and other places so that if there's any reprisals, the popular Israel-Hating
197. 13:48media will say Israel is attacking hospitals when many of these people in the mosque, and
198. 13:57I'm not going to keep going on this for a moment, they will literally take children and
199. 14:01women and use them as shields as they're literally shooting.
200. 14:05And so when you try to have these conversations, you recognize, wait, but they still continue
201. 14:08to say genocide, because in many of these instances, guys, the God of this world has blinded the
202. 14:16minds. That's a part of the reason why we cannot afford to merely attempt to rely on
203. 14:26reasonable, logical persuasion. Of course, we must provide reasonable, logical, rational
204. 14:32argumentation, but that argumentation must be accompanied by a consistent and robust prayer
205. 14:39life that the Spirit of God will remove the blinders from the minds and the hearts of those
206. 14:45who are in desperate need of the gospel and in desperate need of truth because we cannot
207. 14:50underestimate the potency of spiritual blindness.
208. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
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215. 15:24You can read the Word of God, but not choose to obey it.
216. 15:27You can believe the Word of God, but not choose to pray it,
217. 15:30et cetera.
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219. 15:34In all seven ways daily, the written Word of God is a book of faith.
220. 15:39From Genesis to Revelation, we're called to hear, believe, and obey the Word of God.
221. 15:45If we hear the Word of God but don't obey it, we deceive ourselves.
222. 15:48As James 1 verse 22, let's us know.
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224. 15:54Yet truth is always meant to be learned and applied.
225. 16:05Shiting light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Quarter, an American family radio.
226. 16:11Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here.
227. 16:15Well, seems like, at least from President Trump's perspective, the ceasefire and memorandum
228. 16:27of understanding is no more.
229. 16:32President Trump spoke early this morning.
230. 16:36Really it.
231. 16:37I don't think he was surprised by the question, but he was asked by a reporter in light of
232. 16:42of recent events, whether or not the ceasefire was still
233. 16:46underway between the United States and Iran
234. 16:49and President Trump's response, which I'm going to play
235. 16:51for you in a moment, was pointed, shall I say?
236. 16:56Pretty direct, leaving no room for misunderstanding
237. 16:59or ambiguity.
238. 17:03But I want to just recount some of the brief history
239. 17:05that precipitated President Trump's response
240. 17:09because the MOU had the ceasefire and the 60 day time period
241. 17:17during which the Straits of Ramoos is supposed to be open,
242. 17:19but the Iranians had a delegation to make an appearance
243. 17:23with representatives from the government of Oman,
244. 17:27in which they were publicly discussing.
245. 17:30Now think about this, and this is something
246. 17:32I have yet to see this reported in our media.
247. 17:35And I don't know if you've seen this Bobby, let me know,
248. 17:38but I've yet to see it reported in our media,
249. 17:40the Iranians and the representatives
250. 17:43for the government of Oman were discussing
251. 17:47how the Straits of Ramuz were gonna be administered
252. 17:49after the 60-day time period
253. 17:52and the costs that they were planning to charge
254. 17:56for tankers and boats and ships
255. 18:01to traverse the Straits of Ramuz,
256. 18:04which had been a no-go
257. 18:08from according to the United States of America before then.
258. 18:12Following that, so the Iranian sent some representatives
259. 18:17out publicly along with representatives
260. 18:19from the government of Oman,
261. 18:20and they were discussing what they might do,
262. 18:23they were discussing what they were going to do.
263. 18:26Once the 60 days are up,
264. 18:28yeah, we're gonna help get our country back on track,
265. 18:31the Iranians by charging these fees,
266. 18:33We're gonna break off the government of Oman this much
267. 18:36and the governor of my was like,
268. 18:37yes, they're gonna break us off.
269. 18:38They will break us off.
270. 18:40They will break us off somebody that could cut bar.
271. 18:42Yes, they will break us off.
272. 18:44And they're saying these things publicly.
273. 18:45Then, then after that, there were three commercial ships
274. 18:53and this is according to US Central Command,
275. 18:55three commercial vessels that sought to travel through
276. 19:00the Straits of Ramoos and that the Iranians attacked it.
277. 19:04civilian commercial vessels, the Iranians attacked it, which led to the United
278. 19:12States of America responding with striking 80 different sites in Iran. Those
279. 19:20are some of the factual events that preceded the question that you're about
280. 19:25to hear in President Trump's response while he's in Turkey for a NATO summit
281. 19:29During which a reporter says, well, seems like the ceasefire is done.
282. 19:37Is it done?
283. 19:38Is it over?
284. 19:40Listen to and watch clip number five, clip five, go.
285. 19:45It's the ceasefire done.
286. 19:46Is the MOU dead?
287. 19:47It's a very interesting question.
288. 19:51To me, I think it's over.
289. 19:55I don't want to deal with them with this.
290. 19:57You know what's this?
291. 19:58This is this sick people.
292. 20:00They're led by sick people.
293. 20:02And they're vicious, violent people.
294. 20:05And if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd use it.
295. 20:08As far as I'm concerned, it's over.
296. 20:09I'll speak to our negotiators.
297. 20:11They're one of the negotiate.
298. 20:12They're good people.
299. 20:14Steve Woodcough, Jared Kushner.
300. 20:16But they have to come back to me.
301. 20:18As far as I'm concerned, it's just a waste of time
302. 20:20dealing with them.
303. 20:21They're liars.
304. 20:23We make a deal.
305. 20:24And they, if I make a deal with him, we have a deal.
306. 20:26And he goes out.
307. 20:27He talks.
308. 20:28We make a deal.
309. 20:29Everyone's agreed.
310. 20:29No nuclear weapon.
311. 20:30We make a deal.
312. 20:32They go outside, talk to the press, they say we never even talked about it.
313. 20:36There's something wrong with them.
314. 20:37They're cuckoo.
315. 20:38As far as I'm concerned, it's over.
316. 20:44I apologize.
317. 20:45That was the wrong version of the clip that we had where President Trump said is that they
318. 20:48were scum.
319. 20:50He said they're scum and they're liars.
320. 20:55And as far as I'm concerned, it's over.
321. 20:58He says, the Iranians, you can have a deal just like I'm sitting here.
322. 21:02sit next to the head of NATO and say, we could be sitting here, we can talk and we can strike
323. 21:06a deal and we have a deal, we agree. And then immediately he'll go outside, refer, he was
324. 21:11pointing to the head of NATO and go outside and say, Oh, no, we never even talked. We never
325. 21:16even talked. The reporter follows up, followed up and saying, well, that's certainly a different
326. 21:22tone that you're striking concerning the Iranians than you, than you had before. And what he said
327. 21:28next was very telling to me. And this is something that I wanted to allow on this program about
328. 21:32as to whether or not President Trump truly understands who he's dealing with.
329. 21:39When you consider the radical,
330. 21:4212 regime of Mullah's of Shiite Islam in Iran.
331. 21:48And President Trump said, well, the thing that led to me to realize that it's over
332. 21:56is that I got to know them.
333. 22:01That's what he said, I got to know them.
334. 22:03Now I could be wrong, but I took that statement to mean and that I do not think, I don't think
335. 22:08for one moment that President Trump is ignorant as to what radical Shiite Islam is and what
336. 22:14the Mueller's doing, what they believe.
337. 22:15I don't think he's unaware of any of that.
338. 22:18But I think it's one of those things that he approached it from the position of, well,
339. 22:22this is what I've heard about you.
340. 22:23But let me see for myself, this is who you are, that kind of thing.
341. 22:28And now I could be wrong there, but I really think that's what's happening.
342. 22:31So now he is seeing for himself that, oh, yeah, they are liars.
343. 22:38Now you guys know what I wanted to learn on this program.
344. 22:41And I said, how could you negotiate with people who according to their religious
345. 22:45stop text use lying as a tactic, like lying is a tactic.
346. 22:50If lying that is something that will aid them in advancement of their Islamic
347. 22:56objectives, then lying is all good.
348. 22:58you know, how could you negotiate with them?
349. 23:02How could you negotiate with people that they're there?
350. 23:07I'm just gonna call it like it is.
351. 23:08They're demonic theology that says,
352. 23:15if you die in the furthering of Islam,
353. 23:18that's the only way you can be guaranteed paradise.
354. 23:23So death to them is not a threat.
355. 23:26You know, this is why you'd have some of the moms saying
356. 23:29that their greatest hope for their sons is that they die as Mujuhadim.
357. 23:36You know, so how can you negotiate then?
358. 23:45You know, so now the additional considerations in light of this from my perspective,
359. 23:52what, what all does this mean going forward?
360. 23:54Is it means that does it mean he'll no longer negotiate?
361. 23:58He said, well, Jared Kushner, Steve Special Envoy Steve Whitcalf, the vice president, they
362. 24:05are, you know, great negotiators, the Iranians, if they want to deal, these guys, meaning his
363. 24:13delegation may want to negotiate, but it has come back to him.
364. 24:16It ultimately has to come back to him.
365. 24:20I've said that this is my perspective, and I'm not saying that this is the way you should
366. 24:26discuss this publicly.
367. 24:27my perspective is you cannot negotiate with Iranians.
368. 24:32Remember the old adage, you don't negotiate with terrorists?
369. 24:35And it's not because you're making a statement of bombast, you're making a level headed statement
370. 24:40in light of assessing what the reality is, because terrorists have a completely different
371. 24:45paradigm than rational people.
372. 24:49If you go back date to the Cold War era and one of the things that is different between
373. 24:55our standoff with communist Russia and our position with under president Ronald Reagan
374. 25:03is that while the communists are in fact communist, the communists did not have a death wish.
375. 25:09The communists did not have a theological incentive to die rather than come to a reasonable agreement.
376. 25:18So the incentive and don't, don't, don't misconstrue what I'm saying.
377. 25:21I'm not saying it therefore the communists are there better and no, and I'm not saying
378. 25:24at it all. I'm saying the worldview diverges. And this is why we have to understand worldviews.
379. 25:31We have to understand ideologies. This is why one of the great travesties that has befallen
380. 25:35our nation in my opinion was George W. Bush. That's the son, right? W W following the attack
381. 25:44on our world trade center when he became the number one apologist running around the country
382. 25:48saying Islam is a religion of peace. I lament that moment in our nation's history because
383. 25:55the Oval Office gave clearance for the refusal to allow their American people to critically examine,
384. 26:04wait a minute, what is Islam?
385. 26:06It's the reversal of what happened under Thomas Jefferson after ultimately when our Navy was established,
386. 26:12because in the fledgling existence of our nation, and at the time, Thomas Jefferson and others were right and referred to them as
387. 26:18Mohammedans or mama's and what would happen is that merchant ships leaving American shores
388. 26:28were being attacked consistently by a group called the Barbara pirates at that time.
389. 26:35And so Thomas Jefferson is like, wait, I don't even know y'all cats.
390. 26:38We just had this big squabble with England and we know about the French, we know about
391. 26:42the Spaniards, and we know about big beef with.
392. 26:45So why are you all attacking our ships?
393. 26:49And they told Thomas Jefferson, well, it's because you are
394. 26:52caffiers, you are infidels.
395. 26:56So the attack on American merchant ships by the
396. 26:58Barbary pirates wasn't primarily motivated by economic concerns.
397. 27:03It wasn't, it was driven by Islamic ideology to which
398. 27:13Thomas Jefferson recognized, oh, the only conclusion we have then is we have to defeat
399. 27:16them.
400. 27:17There's no negotiating or reasoning.
401. 27:22We have to destroy them.
402. 27:24That's the only thing we can do in order to secure our maritime prowess thereafter.
403. 27:30And so when you have the president, the president saying, well, Islam is a religion of peace.
404. 27:36So then, unsurprisingly, the inevitable reality is that all of the gerbilsink institutions
405. 27:44around our country, the media apparatus, developed this new terminology called Islamophobia.
406. 27:52That if you have questions by Islam is because you're afraid, is because you're phobic.
407. 27:57It's not because we got a whole lot of history.
408. 28:02Is that what was constant and hope?
409. 28:03Well, how did that happen again?
410. 28:06You know, what's this whole thing about the Ottoman Turks?
411. 28:08How did that happen again?
412. 28:11How did all of these Christian cities and countries, all of a sudden become Islamic?
413. 28:19North Africa, places where you had people like, like,
414. 28:22origin and where you had even elders from
415. 28:25Algerian and Christian church and now all these places are,
416. 28:28how did that happen?
417. 28:29Guys, it all happened by force.
418. 28:31That's why I make the point of the show,
419. 28:33you talk about colonization, it's amazing to me,
420. 28:35that when you talk about colonization,
421. 28:36nobody discusses Islam.
422. 28:38No, no.
423. 28:39Islam literally advanced via colonization.
424. 28:44By force, it was no, oh man, we, you know what?
425. 28:47We're gonna send out these robust evangelists
426. 28:52who gonna share the good word of Mohammed.
427. 28:56Nah, they killed people into conversion.
428. 28:59You understand what I'm saying?
429. 29:00So having our president at the time, George W. Bush,
430. 29:04basically run into interference was exceedingly problematic,
431. 29:12which is why now so many of our fellow Americans,
432. 29:15when you try to tell them these things,
433. 29:17that's why I had Bill Federal on the show
434. 29:18as often as I did to discuss this stuff,
435. 29:22for most of many of our countrymen,
436. 29:24if not most of them, they're like, what?
437. 29:26So wait, what?
438. 29:27That really happened?
439. 29:29And oh, wait, so you mean to tell me the whole shiite,
440. 29:32Sunni division is really a blood feud
441. 29:35that started from war fighting amongst the Muslims?
442. 29:40Yes, yes.
443. 29:48So coming back full circle,
444. 29:51it seems now that President Trump
445. 29:53has directly experienced some of the practical applications
446. 29:58of the 12 or Shiite mullas in their operations,
447. 30:04how they will use anything, right?
448. 30:07MOU, yeah, we'll agree to your MOU.
449. 30:09While we'll go out on our Arabic speaking stations
450. 30:11and Arabic speaking media,
451. 30:12and we'll go out with the governmental
452. 30:14modern representatives and say, oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
453. 30:17Yeah, we're gonna administer the straighter from moves.
454. 30:19We're gonna charge people to use this.
455. 30:20That's how we're gonna rebuild our country.
456. 30:23And then you're gonna,
457. 30:25could nettically engage civilian ships that they're cross because what you say in one
458. 30:33source, which is saying other source, when they contradict, one of them, only one of them
459. 30:37is true. And when we assess whether people are telling the truth, we shouldn't just evaluate
460. 30:44what they say. We have to evaluate what they do. So I hope this is a moment of clarity for
461. 30:56President Trump that leads our leadership to conclude, well, what are our objectives
462. 31:02to clearly articulate in-house internally,
463. 31:06this is what we're seeking to accomplish,
464. 31:08and you just go about what you're trying to accomplish
465. 31:09because you can't negotiate with these people.
466. 31:11You cannot negotiate with these people.
467. 31:14I'm not saying that's the way that you should discuss it publicly,
468. 31:16but I'm saying that is what should be done.
469. 31:19You make your determination as to what our objectives are,
470. 31:22what should already been established,
471. 31:24then what we're seeking to accomplish and execute that,
472. 31:29and then exit.
473. 31:34All right. Well, I'll start this now. I'm going to continue this over into the next segment because
474. 31:40I've had several questions and I was on TI this morning and I talked about this a little bit.
475. 31:46Day three of the preliminary hearing in Utah is taking place where the murderer,
476. 31:56the man charged with murdering Charlie Kirk, assassinating him, is going to face trial.
477. 32:02and it's I think it's necessary to clear up some confusion because I literally just saw a major television network saying the
478. 32:09Trial is taking place in Utah and that is not accurate a trial is not underway in
479. 32:15Utah it is a preliminary hearing so what is a preliminary hearing how was it different from a trial?
480. 32:22What are what's transpiring there? What should be expected?
481. 32:26What will happen after the preliminary hearing will get into that if you some of that factual information?
482. 32:31information and explain a little bit about how the law in Utah works.
483. 32:36And we'll discuss that when we come back from this break,
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520. 35:15Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner,
521. 35:16Abraham Hamilton III here.
522. 35:18So first, let me correct this inaccuracy.
523. 35:21has been circulating. What's happening in Utah right now is not a trial. Guys, it is not a trial.
524. 35:28There is no judge. I'm sorry, there's no jury. There is a judge. There is no jury.
525. 35:33The issue is not determining the guilt or innocence of the charged party. It is a preliminary hearing.
526. 35:44Okay. What is a preliminary hearing? Okay. Because of our U.S. Constitution,
527. 35:50our law states that no man can be deprived of life or liberty without due process of law.
528. 35:58Okay.
529. 35:59In order to assert any criminal prosecution in the entire United States,
530. 36:05the law enforcement entity must establish what's called in legal terminology,
531. 36:11probable cause to proceed to trial.
532. 36:14Okay.
533. 36:15There is the necessity of establishing probable cause to make an arrest.
534. 36:19That is the immediate detention of the suspected criminal.
535. 36:23Alright, then there is a necessary additional and subsequent probable cause determination
536. 36:30to proceed to try the suspected criminal for the charged crime.
537. 36:37And many jurisdictions around our country, say it this way, the law in our Constitution
538. 36:42gives the state's the legal authority to determine
539. 36:46what method they will require
540. 36:49to establish probable cause.
541. 36:51All right, so the standard is probable cause.
542. 36:53That doesn't change in all 50 states
543. 36:56and all US territories, probable cause must be established.
544. 36:59The way that probable cause is established
545. 37:01in order to proceed to trial
546. 37:04can happen in different ways, usually it's one of two ways.
547. 37:09Many states, if not most of the states in our nation,
548. 37:11used a grand jury process to offer what's called an indictment. When cases are indicted,
549. 37:17the state of Texas does it this way. For all felonies, the state of Texas requires an indictment
550. 37:21to proceed to trial. In Louisiana, certain felonies require an indictment to proceed to trial.
551. 37:27Certain felonies can proceed to trial via a bill of information. All right? I'll explain
552. 37:34what the bill of information is in a second. In the state of Utah, they do not require
553. 37:41a grand jury process for an indictment in order to proceed to trial, they require a preliminary
554. 37:49hearing process.
555. 37:51Now all charge parties have the constitutional right in the state of Utah to require a preliminary
556. 37:58hearing or they can waive the preliminary hearing.
557. 38:02Okay, they can say, we know the evidence that you have, we know that you have enough to
558. 38:07establish probable cause, we don't want to delay with this preliminary hearing, we'll
559. 38:12just proceed to the next phase to prepare our defense for trial.
560. 38:16When you have high stakes cases like this case, for example, which is high stakes for
561. 38:20two primary reasons.
562. 38:22One, it is a capital murder case where the death penalty is on the table as a result of
563. 38:29the bill of information filed by the state's attorney's office.
564. 38:35you have the additional basis for this case being high profile being that it is what is
565. 38:43called, we called cases like this, media cases when I prosecute it. So this is a case that
566. 38:49is of significant national interest. So when you have cases that are high stakes like this,
567. 38:56often you will have defendants who will require preliminary hearing. Alright, so then how do
568. 39:02we get to the stage where the preliminary hearing is being pursued? In the state of Utah,
569. 39:06in order to formally charge an individual with a crime,
570. 39:10the state's attorney's office has to file
571. 39:13what's called a bill of criminal information.
572. 39:16The purpose of the bill of criminal information
573. 39:19is to put the defendant on notice.
574. 39:22All right, so on notice as to what they're being charged
575. 39:26with criminally so that they can prepare
576. 39:29and add it with defense and they end
577. 39:32so that they can be formally notified
578. 39:34that this is what the state is charging you with.
579. 39:37In the United States of America, unlike in England,
580. 39:40for example, when a party is charged
581. 39:43with a criminal offense, it is the charging party's
582. 39:47responsibility to bear what's called the burden of proof.
583. 39:51To say it more simply, if I accuse you of doing a crime,
584. 39:54then I have to prove that you're doing the crime, all right?
585. 39:57This is where I fit the amendment privilege
586. 39:58against self-accrimination comes in.
587. 40:00Whereas in England historically, and in Europe historically,
588. 40:04when a person was accused of a crime,
589. 40:07the accused would have the responsibility
590. 40:09of proving their innocence.
591. 40:12It didn't work like that here in our country.
592. 40:14So what started in this instance,
593. 40:17within, you guys know my policy,
594. 40:20I don't like to name murders,
595. 40:24but when the guy who was arrested for murdering Charlie Kurt
596. 40:31was arrested and then he was formally charged,
597. 40:34The state's attorney filed the bill of information,
598. 40:37alleging that they were prosecuting him for murder,
599. 40:44first degree murder according to Utah statute,
600. 40:47and aggravated murder.
601. 40:48And the reason why I explained it that way
602. 40:50is that the charge of aggravated murder in Utah
603. 40:53really is first degree murder plus aggravating circumstances.
604. 40:56A statutory list of aggravating circumstances
605. 40:59which will allow the state to seek the death penalty.
606. 41:01Many of you remember the press conference
607. 41:02at the very beginning,
608. 41:04once the, uh, the state attorney's office, uh, had the case, they stated publicly that they
609. 41:10would seek the death penalty, then they filed a bill of information where they formally expressed
610. 41:16that yes, we are charging this, this person with murdering Charlie Kirk and if convicted,
611. 41:20we will seek the death penalty in this case.
612. 41:24All right.
613. 41:26So a preliminary hearing and preliminary hearings that I've been involved in, they're usually,
614. 41:31you know, no more than an hour or two, but because of the higher stakes nature of this particular
615. 41:35case, it's been three days. During the preliminary hearing process, I have found
616. 41:46defense attorneys and defendants try to use the process to try to get clarity as to
617. 41:51what evidence they can expect to be presented at trial because prior to the
618. 41:55preliminary hearing, the defense will probably have police reports, will have
619. 41:59medical examiners reports, will have this information, but they haven't seen any
620. 42:04live witness testimony. So whenever I had cases in the defendant required a preliminary hearing,
621. 42:09and if you're in a jurisdiction like Texas where all felonies require an indictment, they
622. 42:14have to be particular circumstances that the judge would have to allow for preliminary hearing
623. 42:18to take place. And that's all in other stories. I won't get into all of that. But the times
624. 42:22where I've had preliminary hearings, the defense wanted to get an assessment as to how certain
625. 42:29witnesses would present. I would try to meet my threshold, my burden of proof, probable cause,
626. 42:36with a scaled down version of my case. I don't want to present everything in the preliminary hearing
627. 42:41because I know there's a trial that will come later, that I expect to come later. In this case,
628. 42:47because of the high-profile nature of the case, and in my view, because the state's attorney's office
629. 42:52knows that there are crazy people like Amazonans that would seek to poison a potential jury pool,
630. 42:58Because like I said, this is not a trial yet.
631. 43:00And they're talking about things, and they're giving false information, and they're lying,
632. 43:04and saying things that they have no way that they could know.
633. 43:07Like for example, she made the assertion that old Tyler Robinson was never on the campus.
634. 43:10Well, one of the facts that the case agent presented, that the state's attorney, the
635. 43:14assistant state's attorney's presented through the case agent in the preliminary hearing was
636. 43:18they showed video evidence of Tyler Robinson being on the campus four times prior to the
637. 43:26assassination occurring.
638. 43:29So they know that they're dealing with the courtroom proceedings and certain features of
639. 43:35things that are transpiring and being transmitted in the ether.
640. 43:39So that's an additional complex layer to doing this.
641. 43:43To go a little further, and I'll just tell you plainly, I expect the judge to find probable
642. 43:48cause.
643. 43:50probable cause has been determined by the court, then a trial date will be set.
644. 43:57I don't know what the court's docket is like.
645. 44:00The cases usually are set based on any backlog of cases, but because of the high profile nature
646. 44:05of this, I expect the judge to set a trial for this in the not too distant future once
647. 44:11probable cause.
648. 44:12Once a probable cause determination has been made.
649. 44:16Right.
650. 44:17Having said that, the conventional first degree murder in the state of Utah carries with it
651. 44:26a potential sentence of 15 years to life in prison.
652. 44:30All right.
653. 44:31Aggravated murder is the only vehicle in the state of Utah that allows for the death penalty
654. 44:40and it requires upon a finding of guilt by the jury.
655. 44:47The jury will also be presented with evidence as to whether or not there is sufficient evidence
656. 44:53to sustain that the accused party committed one of the enumerated statutory aggravating factors.
657. 45:01All right?
658. 45:03Because the state has charged the defendant with capital murder upon a conviction, the
659. 45:12The only two possible sentences are death, the death penalty or life imprisonment without
660. 45:17parole.
661. 45:19One of the things, one of the reasons I suspect that the defense is attempting to use this preliminary
662. 45:26hearing and would seek a trial is that they would try to avoid the death penalty.
663. 45:31That's what often happens in these kind of cases.
664. 45:33They're not making a big argument about gidory innocence, but they're trying to offer mitigating
665. 45:37circumstance to try to reduce the potential scope of punishment.
666. 45:41That is the strategy that is often employed.
667. 45:45The aggravating factor that was articulated in the criminal bill of information by the
668. 45:48state's attorney was that the defendant committed a homicide upon Charlie Kirk, but in and in
669. 46:00doing so created a great risk of death to persons other than the victim.
670. 46:06And you can see the way that that will be articulated is that this is a pretty crowded
671. 46:11gathering
672. 46:12you're discharging a firearm
673. 46:14you very easily could have had a shot to go awry i've had circumstances in my own
674. 46:17practice
675. 46:18where i've seen people who have died as a result of a ricocheting bullet
676. 46:23so once you discharge a firearm you you cannot guarantee what will happen thereafter
677. 46:28and so
678. 46:29uh... you have those aggravating circumstances one of the things that was
679. 46:31expressed today by the state's attorney's office
680. 46:34that would be viewed as an aggravating circumstance although not a statutory
681. 46:37aggravating circumstance
682. 46:39would be that the murderer committed his actions for the express purposes of being
683. 46:48maliciously motivated against Charlie Kirk's faith in an effort to crush First Amendment
684. 46:54protected speech, the text messages that were produced in the court that explained that the
685. 47:00murderer did what he did because he wanted to quote unquote stop the hate that was being spewed
686. 47:06by Charlie Kirk. Yeah.
687. 47:09So because of the actions that he did that resulted in Charlie Kirk's death, which the
688. 47:15state put on evidence from the medical examiner to show that the cause of death was a bullet
689. 47:18wound to Charlie Kirk's neck, contrary to all kinds of lies and other stuff that was
690. 47:22stated publicly.
691. 47:25And in the course of doing so, he could have injured if not killed other people in the
692. 47:30process of doing so.
693. 47:31That would be viewed as a statutory aggravating circumstance.
694. 47:35If there are aggravating circumstances that are found by the jury, but they're not articulated
695. 47:39in this in Utah statute, then that would not be sufficient to sustain a death penalty verdict.
696. 47:46So, it has to be a statutorily articulated aggravating circumstance and additional aggravating circumstances
697. 47:53can be found.
698. 47:55In the hearing concerning whether or not the death penalty should be applied, the defense
699. 47:58will have an opportunity to put on what they would describe as mitigating evidence.
700. 48:01They say, well, he is guilty of this offense, but he should only have to face life imprisonment
701. 48:07without the possibility to parole and these are the mitigating circumstances, the fact
702. 48:11that's why they should do so.
703. 48:12So he'll have the opportunity to do that at the next phase as well.
704. 48:16I was asked earlier, do I think that it would likely that it would be a plea deal in this
705. 48:19case?
706. 48:20And I said, I do not expect the plea deal in this case because it would have to be the
707. 48:24product of an agreement between the state's attorney, which we'll have to confer with Charlie
708. 48:31Kirk's family and the defense.
709. 48:35And then the judge would have to sign off on it.
710. 48:37The judge would have to agree to it as well.
711. 48:40The judge who is elected by the people of Utah, the state's attorney who are elected by the
712. 48:44people of Utah, they would have to face them following a decision on that front.
713. 48:49Additionally, I very rarely see people willing to plead guilty to accept the sentence of life
714. 48:55in prison without parole.
715. 48:57So that is something that doesn't happen very often.
716. 49:00I'm not saying it never happens.
717. 49:02I have seen it, but it doesn't happen very often.
718. 49:05So while legally it's a possibility, the likelihood of that happening in this case guys
719. 49:10is very minimal.
720. 49:11Very, very, very minimal.
721. 49:17So that's the way that this, that things will unfold.
722. 49:19But anybody said that there's a trial happening now that's not true.
723. 49:21It's not a trial.
724. 49:22It's a probable cause here.
725. 49:24Probable cause is the legal way of saying, uh, is it more likely than not that the accused
726. 49:28party committed this crime?
727. 49:29It's a 51% assessment is what it is.
728. 49:33Is it 51 to 49 that he more than likely is the one who did it?
729. 49:36That's what it is.
730. 49:37It's nothing other than that.
731. 49:39It's not an assessment of guilt or innocence.
732. 49:41It's not an assessment of punishment.
733. 49:43It's a preliminary hearing.
734. 49:47Pre-being the prefix that precedes what will occur subsequently.
735. 49:52It's the equivalent of the grand jury.
736. 50:00They articulate it differently in that it's presented before a judge alone.
737. 50:06It's not a grand jury making a probable cause determination.
738. 50:10It's the Utah equivalent of the grand jury process.
739. 50:13It's what it is.
740. 50:14All right.
741. 50:15I forgot to mention that President Trump did point out that he's got intelligence that
742. 50:24shows he's at the top of all our Rand's kill lists.
743. 50:29They want to take him down.
744. 50:30I wonder how that would impact his willingness or lack thereof to negotiate with the Shiite
745. 50:35terrorists.
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