May 22, 2026 · 49:48

Ray Moore, Founder of The Exodus Mandate Project, returns to “The Corner."

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0:00 - 15:00. John 15:13 (NASB95). Sacrifice is a biblical love measure. 15:00 - 31:00. Ray Moore, Founder of The Exodus Mandate Project, returns to “The Corner." 31:00 - 48:00. Cultivation of the mind is central to disciple-making. or call: 800-326-4543 To donate call : 877-616-2396

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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:02It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
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0:28and now the Hamilton Corner.
0:32Good evening, everyone.
0:34Welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
0:36My name is Abraham Hamilton, the third.
0:38We are heading into a time when our entire nation
0:44is called to observe Memorial Day,
0:48a time in which we honor those service members
0:54who have given the ultimate sacrifice,
0:58you know, who have lost their lives in service of our nation.
1:06This is a sober time for our nation. It's sober for me personally. Like many of you listening,
1:14I have many family members, including my own father. He's a military veteran. I was this close to
1:24becoming a member of the U.S. Air Force myself. Some of y'all might not have known that.
1:27Some other things happened that intervened, but nevertheless, God was faithful and directed
1:35me in the course that I believe he had for my life.
1:40But it's a time where we have one of the things that is profound about our nation is
1:49that we have our voluntary military, and of course there are career considerations that
1:56are a part of our service members decisions to be in our military, but by and large, the
2:03people who sign up to serve in our military do so because they want to serve their fellow
2:08countrymen, they want to serve our nation. And it is appropriate to do, as the scripture
2:15says in the book of Romans, to give honor where honors do. We never want to allow that
2:21to roll over into any form of idolatry or worshiping and things of that nature. But the
2:26The scripture commands that we are to give honor where honor is due at this very moment.
2:32Many of you, if not most of you, are making your transition from your part-time jobs where
2:36you generate an income to your full-time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
2:40And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so with intentionality understanding the
2:44primacy that God places on family and allowing that to govern, guard and to guide your engagement.
2:51We are at a time where we have service members deployed and I ran at the moment.
3:01Thankfully we've had minimal casualties, but every casualty is felt.
3:07Every single casualty is felt by their immediate family members and really by our nation.
3:14It's one of the reasons why our nation has developed an antipathy toward forever wars is
3:21because in our nation, you know, we don't view people as cannon fodder, that we have a
3:29foundation that understands the sanctity of life. And even though there are tortured aspects
3:38of our society that become willfully ignorant of that phenomenon by and large, the majority
3:45of our population understands that.
3:49And even those who are regressives, for some reason, they check their regressive-ism to
3:57some degree, some of them, to some degree, when it comes to service members and the sacrifices
4:07that they, that their lives often entail.
4:11And there's the ultimate sacrifice, the cessation of natural life, but then there's a life lived
4:17of sacrifice and in sacrifice.
4:19And I think it's a worthy conversation.
4:24I'm not trying to be a downer, you know, heading into this time or observation for our nation,
4:29but it is a time of sober reflection.
4:34I'm not saying anybody needs to be sullen or anything like that.
4:39It is because of our voluntary military service members that we can enjoy the freedoms.
4:47I say it better.
4:48It's because of our service members to a larger degree
4:51that we enjoy the freedoms that we enjoy.
4:53So we can go to parks and gather with our fame members
4:56and have the cookouts and all of these other kinds of things,
4:59but it is appropriate to give honor where honor is due.
5:02To the word of God we go.
5:03And I just want to provide a scripture
5:06that gives a biblical foundation
5:09for what I'm talking about here and now.
5:11And as Jesus is participating in the upper room discourse,
5:15he makes an observation in John chapter 15,
5:18Verse 13 in which he says, and he says this,
5:22certainly in anticipation of what he knows
5:24is about to happen on the cross.
5:28He says, greater love has no one than this
5:30that won lay down his life for his friends.
5:33Greater love has no one than this
5:38than won lay down his life for his friends.
5:42With that, you have Jesus expressing
5:45that sacrifice is a biblical love ethic.
5:51Sacrifice is a biblical love ethic.
5:56And when I say sacrifice, I am including
6:00in that the ultimate sacrifice of laying one's life down.
6:08Now there is a reality that you can live a life of sacrifice
6:15You can live a life of sacrifice that short of the ultimate sacrifice of giving one's life
6:26in that ultimate fashion.
6:27You can live a life of sacrifice.
6:29God calls husbands to love our wives as Christ, love the church, and gave himself for her.
6:35I've explained before marriage and family is one of the institution that God has designed
6:42to help males transition into manhood, and specifically the quality and characteristic
6:47of manhood that we live lives of sacrifice.
6:54Because sacrifice is a biblical love ethic, and as Jesus explained, that includes the ultimate
7:01sacrifice.
7:02So as you are listening to me, I'm grateful for the surge in young people who are willing
7:10to join our military.
7:11I'm honored and encouraged by the scores of young people that recognize, you know, I want
7:19to live a life for something bigger than myself.
7:21I want to stretch for something that is not self-absorbed, that is not self-aggrandizing
7:27and consumption-based, but I want to strive for something to where I'm living for something
7:32beyond myself.
7:33And that corresponds to the reality of being made hardwired with eternity in our hearts.
7:41that desire, that yearning, that inclination is something that God has placed in us.
7:49Because we are made to live for something broader and beyond ourselves.
7:55It is the fallenness, the fallen nature of man that produces the self-absorption, self-centeredness,
8:01and things of that nature.
8:03But it is by the divine grace of God that we are able to experience the free gift of salvation
8:11to be regenerate and enjoy a new nature.
8:15And one of the greatest privileges we have that we can connect our God breathed hardwiring
8:22to regeneration and that God breathed hardwiring corrected to regeneration is what aids us in
8:29discerning purpose to where we live lives pursuing something bigger, broader, grander, transcendent,
8:38more than just us. That is something that should be encouraged.
8:42That is something that should be cultivated.
8:45And among the body of Christ, this is something,
8:49this is a conversation that we should have more frequently.
8:55There was a time in our nation's history
8:58to where, you know, especially little boys,
9:00what do you want to be when you grow up?
9:02I want to be a police officer.
9:03I want to be a firefighter, you know?
9:07Why would you want to be these things?
9:08I want to help people.
9:09I want to protect people.
9:11We used to celebrate these kinds of things
9:13before our society became deluded and we were overwhelmed in all kinds of efforts to
9:23vulcanize our society into where we as as as had elements of our society to try to turn
9:30law enforcement for example into enemies in the turn military service into being that of
9:37enemies to turn like emigrations and customs enforcement we used to appreciate and celebrate
9:43these types of people in our society.
9:45But the reversal of that is a product of regressive encroachment.
9:51But we need to get back to an understanding that man greater love
9:54has no man in this that he laid out his life for his friends.
9:58And this self-sacrifice, love ethic does not require us to say,
10:05okay, so because of that we don't have a nation anymore.
10:09A national language, we don't even have a national language.
10:12We speak whatever anybody else wants to speak.
10:15No, the sacrifice ethic doesn't require that.
10:20That's a perversion of what the scriptures explain.
10:26Even in the scripture and biblical Israel had some of the greatest
10:31immigration policy, if you wish, but they required what you come here, but you have to be one of us.
10:37You can't come here and have your pagan worship festivals and to turn us into
10:46what the nations around us have been.
10:47That's what God objected to repeatedly.
10:49So it is a time of reflection, a time of giving honor,
10:55where honor is due, a time of mourning,
10:58the losses that we've suffered in our nation,
11:00and a time of being reminded that sacrifice
11:02is a biblical love ethos.
11:05There's a reality of living lives of sacrifice,
11:08and there's a reality of love being displayed
11:10in the ultimate sacrifice being accomplished.
11:14The most enduring and important demonstration
11:17of that ultimate sacrifice is clearly,
11:19and the resurrected King of glory,
11:23that as the Apostle Paul said,
11:24without the shedding of blood,
11:26well, let me say it better,
11:26when Leviticus says without the shedding of blood,
11:28there's no remission of sins.
11:29The Apostle Paul said that without Christ's death
11:32and resurrection, it was not for his resurrection
11:35that we would still be in our sins.
11:38And I'm not remotely attempting to place military service
11:42on the same plane with Messiah.
11:43What I'm trying to convey to you is that sacrifice
11:47in recognizing that sacrifices they love ethic
11:50is anchored in the scripture.
11:53And it is one that we should recognize
11:55as we are faced with the day nationally,
12:01where we're called to confront the fact
12:04that we've lost people in service of our nation,
12:07in battles and in wars,
12:10to soberly reflect upon that.
12:12And then I would add into the reflection,
12:15to consider how may God be calling you and me
12:18to live lives of sacrifice.
12:20I mentioned a few of them as a husband
12:23and as a father, I'm called to live sacrificially
12:26before my wife, as unto the Lord, as a father,
12:30I'm called to live sacrificially for my children.
12:34Some of that sacrificial living includes me telling them,
12:36though, understanding that they may be upset for a moment,
12:39but my investment is for their betterment overall.
12:42So yes, I will tell you, no, and yes, I will display
12:47I love for you in corrective discipline.
12:50You may be upset for the moment,
12:51but over time you'll recognize what is happening
12:54and prayerfully by God's grace,
12:56you'll be trained by the discipline to understand
12:59that the discipline was employed
13:01so that you would be an effective disciple
13:05and what you have received that you become
13:08a disseminator of by God's grace.
13:13And that we seek every one of us
13:15who is listening right now, everyone even tuned in
13:18that we would refuse to be conformed to the world around us,
13:24but we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds
13:29so that we may be able to prove what is the good, perfect,
13:33and acceptable will of God, the vehicle of that transformation,
13:38that transformation is God's holy word.
13:42And then as we are transformed, we are advocates
13:46for the very same transformation that we've enjoyed,
13:48we advocate for others to experience that same transformation.
13:54This is what we have the privilege to be about.
13:59So as you're listening right now and making your transition,
14:04I encourage you to do so with intentionality
14:06and understanding the primacy that God places on family,
14:10and you welcome the Lord first to transform you,
14:13then you become an agent of the very same transformation
14:15that you enjoy.
14:17And step by step, day by day, moment by moment, heart,
14:21One heart, one mind at a time.
14:23That we will see God's kingdom expanded.
14:26In the deposits that we make,
14:29we make with the expectation
14:33that the harvest will be an eternal one.
14:37This is our portion.
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16:04Shiting light into the darkness,
16:07This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
16:11Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton,
16:13the third here, and I am honored to have
16:15on the program with me a man who's been on this show,
16:17but this is the first time I've been on the program with him.
16:20He is a retired chaplain and lieutenant colonel
16:24for our US Army.
16:26He served in ministry for over 50 years as a pastor,
16:30as a congregational minister, as I mentioned,
16:33an Army chaplain and a director of Christian ministry.
16:35He's the founder of the Exodus mandate project.
16:39And he is our guest right now, none other than Mr. E.
16:43Ray Moore.
16:44Ray, thank you so much for joining me here
16:46on the Hamilton Corner, especially having
16:48had the opportunity to meet you not too long ago
16:50in Greenville, South Carolina.
16:52We had a good time in Greenville.
16:53And I was glad to finally meet you.
16:56I've been following your great career in ministry,
16:59but oh, maybe six or eight years, I just can't quite remember.
17:04but we're fans in support of AFR
17:09and we know the Weilman family.
17:11And so we're really grateful to have the opportunity
17:13to be on your show.
17:15Oh, well, again, the privilege and the honor
17:18is certainly mine to have you on the program.
17:20I wanna jump right in because as I mentioned,
17:23you're the founder of the Exodus Mandate Project,
17:27which is a ministry of frontline ministries.
17:29What is the Exodus Mandate Project?
17:34It's a ministry on effort to encourage and assist Christian families, pastors, and churches
17:42to leave behind the government schools, we sometimes call them Pharaoh schools, for the
17:48promised land of Christian campus schools or homeschooling.
17:53Additionally, it's our prayer and hope that a fresh obedience by Christian families and
17:59churches and educating their children according to biblical mandates will be a key for the revival
18:08of our families, our churches and our nation. You mentioned a revival anchored in a renewed
18:17obedience to scripture. Would you expound on that a little bit?
18:23Well, we all pray in seeking revival. It's really a theme that's been very strong
18:30among born-again Christians in the last decade.
18:35And it is a sovereign act of a sovereign God.
18:40So you can't manipulate God.
18:44He's not a genie in a bottle or anything.
18:48But we certainly can pray for it and we can create the conditions
18:54that make revival more likely and possible.
18:58And when the church is in a state of disobedience in some area, it might impede revival.
19:08And one of the things I think that most Christians have done is that they public school their
19:12kids, you know, for decades.
19:17And we think that they're not coming out the way we would want and prefer.
19:25And they're not being obedient.
19:26So when families are homeschooling and put their kids in Christian school, there's a different
19:33result.
19:35And my wife and I are an example of it.
19:37We started homeschooling in the 70s and children of 55, 49, 46, and 43.
19:47And they were homeschool usually through middle school.
19:51And then we tended to put them in a private Christian school after that.
19:56And then we have nine grandchildren who have either been home school or in a private Christian
20:01school.
20:02And we've seen the wonderful impact that's had on our family and our children.
20:06So we recommend it and we think the scriptures teach it.
20:10Now, as I mentioned, you've been in the ministry of over 50 years.
20:16You've been at this for quite some time, yet it's remarkable that you tend to communicate
20:25articulate some of the same things that I'm communicating where as now I have young children
20:30in my home right now and people who've heard my testimony and our journey began with just the
20:36word of God. We didn't have anybody around us who were doing it but we were convicted by the Lord
20:41in his word that this is what he required of us. You also were in a film that I was in recently
20:48the Educated for Liberty film and as we've talked in Greenville and even before coming on the air
20:52here you mentioned that this is something that's vitally important for our country to know that
20:57is available. Why do you think it's such an important tool and resource for people in this moment?
21:05I think possibly if this movie, this film got wide distribution and I'm believing it will,
21:14because a lot of people are behind it, it could be one of the most important media tools that we've
21:21had in a decade that would grow Christian schooling and homeschooling. And they can go,
21:30I know you're in it, you speak in it several times, I speak in it several times, and they can go to my
21:36webpage at ExodusManDate.org. And it's the very first thing at the top of my webpage if they wanted
21:45to view it. It's only been out six weeks, so it's brand new and most people don't know about it,
21:50But those of us that are in and are promoting it.
21:53So I think it will it and move the ball down the field near the enemy goal line.
21:59If we can get enough people to see it, we're hoping to have 10 million viewers in a year.
22:04And that's a big, big task.
22:06And we all have to be, you know, in the saddle together on that.
22:11Yeah.
22:12Would you give the website again, where people can go and you can view the film is free of charge.
22:16It's not anything.
22:17Nobody has to pay anything to view the film.
22:18You can watch it with no charge.
22:20Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, they can go to my web page at ExodusMandate.org,
22:27and it's a very top item. And of course, I have a lot of other things on home schooling
22:33and Christian schooling on my web page, and if they would take time to look at that, I'd
22:37be grateful. But they could go to educatedforliberty.com. That's their web page. And as you said, it's
22:47free right now online.
22:49So there's no cost and we're hoping people will look at it
22:53and then forward it to their pastor
22:55and try to get it shown in group settings, congregations,
22:59Bible studies, prayer meetings.
23:01We've tried to get a, have a mass showing.
23:04Well said.
23:05Now we are in a moment and you mentioned
23:09that you and your family started homeschooling in the 70s
23:12and that was a time when some portions of our country,
23:15It was deemed illegal for that to be the case.
23:19Although the reality is homeschooling has more of a rooted history in our country than the
23:25antithesis to homeschooling.
23:26We had a nation to where homeschooling was really the standard and it wasn't until really
23:31Horace Mann followed his visit to Prussia to where the modern understanding of government
23:40funded public education really took root.
23:42Would you talk a little bit about how that all started
23:45with Horace Mann in Massachusetts?
23:47Well, I'm glad you know that Brother Abraham,
23:51you'd be amazed how a few people know that history.
23:55It's kind of a dark chapter in early American history.
24:00For the first 200 years of American history,
24:05we had no state control tax subsidized state run public schools.
24:12all the schools from the pilgrims up to 1840,
24:17Horace Mann, we dated around 1840,
24:20all education at the K-12 level was done by family groups,
24:24which was homeschooling, community schools,
24:29private academies, and they were pretty well church run,
24:33and the government was not involved in funding it
24:37or controlling it, and that changed around 1840,
24:42And so we've lived with that and it took it a while
24:46to take control of education.
24:49But by the turn of the 20th century,
24:51that model had become dominant
24:54and the churches gave up their academies
24:57and their Christian schools.
24:59Now a question that I have,
25:01and I've been eager to have this conversation
25:04because the scripture tells us something powerful,
25:07Romans 12, for example, verses one and two.
25:09The scripture says that the degree to with which the believer
25:13refuses to be conformed to the world
25:16and instead of being conformed to the world
25:17that we are transformed, metamorpho,
25:20by the renewing of our minds
25:21and we are able to prove a doki-modzo is the Greek term,
25:25the will of God, what is good, perfect and acceptable.
25:28What happened in our nation from as you pointed
25:31about the 1840s to about 1918 or so,
25:34when the 200-some-odd years prior,
25:38There was a home-based thesis with church oversight
25:42to where we would return to my question is,
25:45what happened in the church that allowed such
25:49a nefarious camel nose to get under the proverbial tent,
25:52so to speak, which is now a result of what we see today?
25:56Well, the trick play of Horace Mann
25:59and those in that era was this,
26:04prior to 1840 to 1830,
26:08The United States was almost entirely a Protestant nation.
26:12There were not many Catholics if they were here.
26:15They were mostly living in Maryland.
26:18Only one Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence.
26:23And so we were a Protestant nation.
26:26But in round 1830, we had the Irish potato famine, and suddenly they were starving in
26:33Ireland and hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics began to immigrate to New York, Philadelphia,
26:39Boston, and it really spooked the Protestant clergy. They saw them, the Protestant dominion
26:51over the nation was so slipping. And Horace Mann and that group said, look, let's compile
27:00and have a state-run state government subsidized tax subsidized school system,
27:06and we'll put all the children there, and we'll use the public schools to proselytize Catholic children
27:13and make them Protestants.
27:15And then you have to give up your pet doctrines in the state school,
27:21but we'll still keep the Ten Commandments and we'll have a little prayer.
27:25And so they kept that system.
27:28Well, the Catholics weren't going to have that, and they pulled away starting about then, and it took them decades.
27:37They set up a entirely different parochial school system, a church school system for their kids, and we were left with the public schools.
27:49They weren't so bad. I finished high school in 1961, and we still had chapel once a month in the public school.
27:58and we had prayer and Bible reading in homeroom every day.
28:04That was at a explicitly Christian school,
28:06but Christianity was tolerated,
28:08and it was one of the players.
28:11And so that was 1962 and 63,
28:14when the Supreme Court ruled against prayer and Bible reading.
28:17And so we fell off the cliff in 1962 and 63.
28:22So what you're talking about, Brother Abraham,
28:25was very gradual and very slow.
28:28like the frog and the kettle, and it was happening,
28:30and people didn't see it.
28:31So now all of a sudden, all this debris and garbage and waste
28:36is washing up on our shores from public education,
28:39and people are horrified, and they say, what happened?
28:41Well, it happened in 1840.
28:43It's not yesterday.
28:46Yeah, it's like the scripture says,
28:47sin grows as a man travels one step at a time,
28:50but it sits, it was so gradual and slow
28:52until it was no longer gradual and slow.
28:54And then we've gotten what we have.
28:58And so following the timeline as you've encapsulated it
29:02from about 1840 to 1918 or so,
29:06you've had a radical changing of the way
29:09that education was normalized in our country
29:11to the point to where ultimately home education
29:14became illegal until about the late 70s
29:19and to the early 80s.
29:21Would you talk a little bit about the movement
29:23to fight to regain the ground that was kind of forfeited from 1840 to the early 1900s,
29:291918 or so.
29:30My wife and I were so new in homeschooling that it wasn't illegal and we went in Indiana
29:38at the time finishing up theological seminary training.
29:42And it was not illegal.
29:44It was just totally unregulated.
29:45It didn't exist.
29:46And so they didn't have laws far enough against it.
29:50And we didn't owe another family for four or five years that was homeschooling in Indiana.
29:55Wow.
29:57But then things began to progress to the point to where it was illegalized and it led to the
30:02formation of the homeschool legal defense association under Mike Ferris and led to a
30:07state by state and even some lobbying on Capitol Hill to get to the place to where homeschooling
30:13was once again legal all across the nation.
30:15Is that right?
30:17Yeah, that's right. And we looked at the Home School Legal Defense Association,
30:22which was founded by Michael Ferris. Currently, the president is Jim Mason, who you and I both know.
30:30He's doing a very good job, too. They won about 90% of their cases in court. There was a lot of
30:37litigation in the 80s and 90s, early 90s, and they won the cases. And so it's relatively,
30:44has been until now we're going to talk about that I think in a few minutes, relatively unregulated,
30:51but it is regulated some. It is on a state-by-state basis. So it depends on what state you're in,
30:57but it's free and you can homeschool. Sometimes you have to jump through a few hooks to do it, but it's
31:03unregulated, lightly regulated, and then some states more moderately regulated.
31:10Mm-hmm, which leads me to the modern push to move from light or moderate regulation to where now
31:20there's a pretty significant push to move more towards from moderate to being heavily regulated.
31:29And there was an article that was published by Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Bartlett,
31:35and this was happening during kind of the COVID days where a lot of people were doing other things
31:41things that may not have paid attention to.
31:43And we'll have to start this now because when a break is coming on us, we'll have to continue
31:46to have to break.
31:48But just before we get to the break in about 30 seconds or so, would you give us an overview
31:52of what Elizabeth Bartlett postulated that has led to a change concerning the regulatory
31:57regime concerning homeschooling?
31:59Well, she published that article in 2019 in the Arizona Law Review, it's 80 pages.
32:06Your audience may not have time to read it, but it's sort of the blueprint by the left
32:11and the progressives to regulate or if not shut down home scooted.
32:17And she put published that and it kind of became the guideline for what we're
32:23facing right now. We're gonna talk about after the break.
32:25Alright, that's a good place to take a break. You listening to the Hamilton Corner
32:29or watching the Hamilton Corner, my guest is Ray Moore, founder of the Exodus mandate project.
32:34We just had a conversation kind of given an overview of our history and our nation
32:38concerning home education and Christian pedagogy and moving forward to where we are currently,
32:44because though up to this date, homeschooling has been lightly, as Ray said, to moderately
32:50regulated.
32:51There's a new sheriff, so to speak, trying to change that regulatory regime.
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34:14Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here.
34:18My guest is Brother Ray Moore, founder of the Exodus mandate project.
34:23This brother has been in the trenches fighting for the cause of Christ on multiple fronts
34:29for 50 plus years now by God's grace.
34:33He's in his 80s, but he's going strong.
34:35And I am, you guys know me even listening for a while, I kind of considered an honor to be
34:40able to glean from the wisdom of seasoned saints as my brother Moore here.
34:46And before we went to the break, we were talking about the reality that historically homeschooling
34:53really was the standard in our nation.
34:55Then as a result of Horace Mann's invention, so to speak, and then the popularity of it from
35:01about 1840 to the early 1900s, then government education through taxpayer funding became
35:09the norm and then ultimately there was a push to illegalize home education which
35:16led to the rise of the home school legal defense association under Mike
35:19Ferris's founding and leadership. Jameson is now the president of HSLDA to
35:24whereas as it stands homeschooling is pretty lightly or moderately regulated
35:28but there are forces. Brother Moore said progressive you know I call him
35:32regresses on this show because they're not advancing anything but they're
35:37seeking really to stamp out homeschooling in total or to try to regulate it away as aggressively
35:43as possible. And the blueprint for that movement has been Elizabeth Bartlett's 80-some-odd page
35:49article published in 2019. And, brother Moore, you were sharing with us a bit of that blueprint and how
35:55legislators, unfortunately, are taking her blueprint and attempting to implement it all across our country.
35:59There are about six states that have picked up legislation that would carry out some of
36:08the arguments of the Blizzard Bartlett of Arizona Law Review article from 2019.
36:16And I'll just kind of briefly summarize what she's saying.
36:20And these laws, we don't want to go into all of them, but we do want to mention that
36:24Connecticut has passed a law.
36:28And they've gone further in this direction than any other state.
36:32And I think it's awaiting a signature of the governor, Lamont, I believe, unless he signed
36:39it in the last week.
36:40I haven't heard that.
36:41It's not law, but it's passed the legislation.
36:44Illinois tried this last year, but thankfully there were families in Illinois that rose up
36:49and beat that disastrous bill back.
36:52But as soon as you had to turn into calendar, you have things like Connecticut, as you mentioned,
36:55that have started their kind of assault against it.
36:57go right ahead and explain what's going on in Connecticut.
37:02It's a threat and if it passes and the government signs it, it could become model legislation
37:09to severely regulate homeschooling if not shut it down.
37:14They don't absolutely say you can't do it, they just make it impossible for you to do
37:19this.
37:20Exactly, exactly.
37:21And like you said, it's passed but it's just waiting a governor's signature.
37:24Yeah, last I heard now. That was about a week ago. I heard that it's bad.
37:30A professor Bartlett believes that homeschooling needs to be regulated to protect children
37:37from abuse and neglect of the parents. This is absurd.
37:42You can assume in most cases, almost 100% of the cases,
37:48parents
37:49Love their children and won't the best of them
37:52So it's her that argument is a faulty assumption
37:57She also thinks that parents are not qualified to provide a basic education for their children. We know that's not
38:05True either. There's so much out there now on the internet so many helps
38:10We were just at a be Bob Jones University Press Conference you and I and they are publishing great curriculum
38:17They're not the only one.
38:19They're many, many good curriculum providers.
38:22And then she also believes that homeschooled children should attend public school so they
38:29can be exposed to things their parents are protecting them from.
38:34Well that's why we homeschool.
38:35We want to get away from those things.
38:38And so these are our free main arguments.
38:43And now I have a theory and it's not I'm not unique in it of why they're doing this.
38:49They don't care about abuse and neglect of children.
38:52If they did, they would do something about all the abuse and neglect that goes on in the
38:57public school system.
38:58I think they left the Marxist-leaning left sees themselves losing power of the culture
39:09because there's so many children being homeschooled
39:12in campus Christian schools now.
39:14We don't know how big the homeschool movement is
39:17in America, but it could be up to five million.
39:19I'm just not sure it's growing so fast.
39:23And campus Christian schools are exploding too.
39:25I work with a group that they right now have 40 schools
39:29that are in the hangar trying to start them up simultaneously.
39:34You've got Renewa Nation,
39:35which is exploding across the land
39:37with starting up schools.
39:38You've got foundation for American Christian education.
39:44And then you have many, many homeschool groups.
39:47So it's possible within three to five years
39:53that the left will lose total control of the culture
39:57because they've lost control of education
40:00and lost control of the children of the future.
40:03And they've got to put a stop to this
40:05Well, they will lose political, cultural power in the society.
40:10Because these homeschool kids are different breed,
40:14and I know mine are, mine are grown now,
40:17and they're very successful in their marriages,
40:20in their chosen profession,
40:23and they've been successful parents as well.
40:26So I think it's all about loss of control,
40:30loss of political and cultural power.
40:32That's what's driving their engine.
40:35There's data to support what you're saying
40:38because I just last week was sharing a statistic
40:41that showed one in every five American children
40:45by the age of 18 will report sexual abuse
40:47of some sort in the public school system.
40:49One in every five, that's 20%.
40:51I also just read a report that in the state of Texas
40:54in the school year, the 25, 26 school year,
40:5875,000 students withdrew from the public school system.
41:03that's projected to grow to 125,000 in the 2627 academic year.
41:09And within the next three to five years,
41:10they're anticipating anywhere between four
41:12to 600,000 students to absent the public school system.
41:17That is just in Texas.
41:18That is just in Texas.
41:20And exploding by the Abraham.
41:22Yeah, it truly is.
41:24And I think you're absolutely right
41:25because if the concern was about neglect and abuse,
41:29there wouldn't be a singular focus upon homeschooling.
41:33And then the other thing is,
41:36what laws already exist to prevent neglect
41:41or to address neglect and abuse.
41:43And it's amazing to see such a clamoring in response
41:51to, as you mentioned, there's no specific data
41:55into the exact quantity, and that's because thankfully,
41:57In a lot of states, you have very little regulation of homeschooling, but it's a threat to the
42:03unanimity of control.
42:06I mentioned earlier this week in the Carson versus making case that made it to the U.S.
42:10Supreme Court, Justice Stephen Breyer in his dissent in 2022 said the reason why this is
42:16what he said, it's in print, page 12 of his dissent.
42:18He said the reason why we support public funding for public schools is because the public
42:24school is the quote primary institution for transmitting the
42:29values upon which our society rests. You know, that's what
42:33the longest they've been saying that the concern was really
42:36writing in the arithmetic. But in a candid moment, just as
42:39Byron admits, well, now it's not about reading writing in the
42:42arithmetic, it's a values transmission institution. And we
42:46don't go ahead go ahead.
42:49A powerful admission.
42:50It's a powerful admission. And it's in print for everybody to read
42:53if we'll read it.
42:54Okay.
42:55In the question I have for you, what kind of values are being transmitted if we have a
43:00system of instruction that intentionally excludes the knowledge of God from the pedagogical
43:07in catacizing formational investment?
43:10Well, the Proverbs and I can't cite the text of reference that says only by the knowledge
43:16of God will mend the part from evil.
43:18So when you remove God of the gospel, the Bible from any system, it corrupts itself.
43:25And so the system is just getting more and more corrupt every day.
43:29And so we have to, we, they're not going to let us bring the gospel in and the Bible
43:33back in.
43:34So we need to realize that that's ship sale.
43:37So we need to do it over and start ourselves.
43:41There's a hundred thousand evangelical churches in America.
43:45And if just one fourth of them would start a Christian school in the next decade, we would
43:49meet the need in Tyrell.
43:53You mentioned six states we discussed Connecticut.
43:57Would you just give us a brief overview of some of the other states?
43:59I have them here listed, but I invite you to kind of give an overview of the threat to
44:05home education as being posed in these other states.
44:08Connecticut is the most serious one because it passed, but I don't know if it's been signed
44:13into law.
44:14to study that and that law is the most egregious of the ones that have been mentioned. So it's
44:21very, very dangerous law. Hawaii offered a law and the families rose up in Hawaii and
44:31complained so bitterly that even the sponsor of the bill voted against its own bill.
44:36Washington State, West Virginia, New Jersey.
44:42I can't give you all the details of what's happening
44:45recently, but these are the states that started up
44:50an effort and they're the blue states.
44:53It's not happening in the red states.
44:57We have other problems in those states,
44:59but it's mostly the blue states.
45:01So it's a problem and it needs to be monitored
45:06And when it happens in your state,
45:08you need to show up at the legislature
45:10and testify as hundreds of families did,
45:14even in Connecticut.
45:15I mean, I think they would just slant with families,
45:17testifying and writing the senators and the house members
45:21that didn't seem to stop them.
45:24What would you say to a parent who would say,
45:26well, what about being something like?
45:29What if I want my children to be something like in this,
45:32as you mentioned in this pharaoh system,
45:34What would you say to those parents or those families?
45:37I'm really glad you brought that up at what on my list.
45:41It's the number one argument against what I'm doing.
45:45And it comes from Jesus' words in Matthew 5, 13, 14
45:51where he commands Christians in all situations
45:55and behavior to be solved in light,
45:59which means we're to live the light of Christ
46:01and express the gospel and be a good witness
46:04wherever we are, but it's certainly not a command to put little
46:07children in pagan schools and farms way. And there are many,
46:12many scripture that show that that is unbiblical. And Matthew 19,
46:1814, Jesus said, let the little children come unto me and do not
46:23forbid them, do not enter them for such is the kingdom of God. And
46:27you may remember in that text, it was the disciples that were
46:31hindering the children being brought in Jesus. It wasn't the crowd. It was his own disciples.
46:36And I hate to say it, but a lot of Christian leaders are hindering this movement. I'm not happy with pastors
46:43in many cases. They're not facilitating the movement towards Christian schooling and homeschooling.
46:50So there's so much scripture and if people want that pamphlet, they can write me or contact me at
46:58Exodus mandate at gmail.com and ask for the Salt and Light sermon.
47:07And I have two of them that I could send out if it's requested.
47:11Salt and Light and whose responsibility is it to educate the children, not the governments.
47:18Now my previous question kind of already implies an answer to this next question,
47:23But to some who may not be aware, they would say, well, isn't education neutral?
47:28Isn't it religiously neutral?
47:30What would you say to that?
47:32No, nothing is neutral.
47:34Remember Jesus said, if you don't align with me, you're scattered.
47:40So neutrality is not possible.
47:43You either for me or against me, Jesus said.
47:46So no, neutrality is not possible.
47:48There was a time when the schools were not as egregious and as aggressively harmful,
47:54Marley and Spiritually as they are now mentioned, I finished high school in 61 and I wouldn't
47:59say it was a Christian school, but Christianity was tolerated.
48:03And if you were a believer and a teacher as a Christian, you could express yourself in
48:07that school.
48:09But I think it would be appropriate to say, Dorothy, we ain't in Kansas anymore.
48:15Right.
48:16That ship has sailed, been surge onto the coast,
48:22been broken down to firewood,
48:24and that puppy has been burned quite some time ago,
48:26because now you're having drag queen story hours,
48:30you're having, you know, Sally has two mommies,
48:32you have the full on offerings that are being presented.
48:37What are, and I believe you,
48:38if you have this accessible, oh man,
48:41I hear a disrespectful music, man,
48:42we're getting to the end.
48:45And that time flew by.
48:47That time flew by.
48:48What would you say?
48:49Well, come back.
48:50Yeah, go ahead.
48:51You go ahead.
48:52I'll come back.
48:52Oh, yeah.
48:54I want to say that there's a belief that's faulty.
48:58You know, that home schooling is a white middle class
49:02phenomenon.
49:04That is false.
49:06Home schooling and Christian schooling
49:07is growing faster now in the African-American community
49:11than in the white community.
49:12I work with a group in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
49:14on national black home educators, that's NBHE.net,
49:21and they have 15,000 African-American families
49:24that are homeschooling, and they pay dues.
49:27So we're seeing a great growth in minority community,
49:31Hispanic, Asian, and black families.
49:39The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast
49:41may not necessarily reflect those
49:43of the American Family Association,
49:45or American Family Radio.

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