Ray Moore, Founder of The Exodus Mandate Project, returns to “The Corner."

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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
2. 0:02It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
3. 0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
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11. 0:32Good evening, everyone.
12. 0:34Welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
13. 0:36My name is Abraham Hamilton, the third.
14. 0:38We are heading into a time when our entire nation
15. 0:44is called to observe Memorial Day,
16. 0:48a time in which we honor those service members
17. 0:54who have given the ultimate sacrifice,
18. 0:58you know, who have lost their lives in service of our nation.
19. 1:06This is a sober time for our nation. It's sober for me personally. Like many of you listening,
20. 1:14I have many family members, including my own father. He's a military veteran. I was this close to
21. 1:24becoming a member of the U.S. Air Force myself. Some of y'all might not have known that.
22. 1:27Some other things happened that intervened, but nevertheless, God was faithful and directed
23. 1:35me in the course that I believe he had for my life.
24. 1:40But it's a time where we have one of the things that is profound about our nation is
25. 1:49that we have our voluntary military, and of course there are career considerations that
26. 1:56are a part of our service members decisions to be in our military, but by and large, the
27. 2:03people who sign up to serve in our military do so because they want to serve their fellow
28. 2:08countrymen, they want to serve our nation. And it is appropriate to do, as the scripture
29. 2:15says in the book of Romans, to give honor where honors do. We never want to allow that
30. 2:21to roll over into any form of idolatry or worshiping and things of that nature. But the
31. 2:26The scripture commands that we are to give honor where honor is due at this very moment.
32. 2:32Many of you, if not most of you, are making your transition from your part-time jobs where
33. 2:36you generate an income to your full-time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
34. 2:40And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so with intentionality understanding the
35. 2:44primacy that God places on family and allowing that to govern, guard and to guide your engagement.
36. 2:51We are at a time where we have service members deployed and I ran at the moment.
37. 3:01Thankfully we've had minimal casualties, but every casualty is felt.
38. 3:07Every single casualty is felt by their immediate family members and really by our nation.
39. 3:14It's one of the reasons why our nation has developed an antipathy toward forever wars is
40. 3:21because in our nation, you know, we don't view people as cannon fodder, that we have a
41. 3:29foundation that understands the sanctity of life. And even though there are tortured aspects
42. 3:38of our society that become willfully ignorant of that phenomenon by and large, the majority
43. 3:45of our population understands that.
44. 3:49And even those who are regressives, for some reason, they check their regressive-ism to
45. 3:57some degree, some of them, to some degree, when it comes to service members and the sacrifices
46. 4:07that they, that their lives often entail.
47. 4:11And there's the ultimate sacrifice, the cessation of natural life, but then there's a life lived
48. 4:17of sacrifice and in sacrifice.
49. 4:19And I think it's a worthy conversation.
50. 4:24I'm not trying to be a downer, you know, heading into this time or observation for our nation,
51. 4:29but it is a time of sober reflection.
52. 4:34I'm not saying anybody needs to be sullen or anything like that.
53. 4:39It is because of our voluntary military service members that we can enjoy the freedoms.
54. 4:47I say it better.
55. 4:48It's because of our service members to a larger degree
56. 4:51that we enjoy the freedoms that we enjoy.
57. 4:53So we can go to parks and gather with our fame members
58. 4:56and have the cookouts and all of these other kinds of things,
59. 4:59but it is appropriate to give honor where honor is due.
60. 5:02To the word of God we go.
61. 5:03And I just want to provide a scripture
62. 5:06that gives a biblical foundation
63. 5:09for what I'm talking about here and now.
64. 5:11And as Jesus is participating in the upper room discourse,
65. 5:15he makes an observation in John chapter 15,
66. 5:18Verse 13 in which he says, and he says this,
67. 5:22certainly in anticipation of what he knows
68. 5:24is about to happen on the cross.
69. 5:28He says, greater love has no one than this
70. 5:30that won lay down his life for his friends.
71. 5:33Greater love has no one than this
72. 5:38than won lay down his life for his friends.
73. 5:42With that, you have Jesus expressing
74. 5:45that sacrifice is a biblical love ethic.
75. 5:51Sacrifice is a biblical love ethic.
76. 5:56And when I say sacrifice, I am including
77. 6:00in that the ultimate sacrifice of laying one's life down.
78. 6:08Now there is a reality that you can live a life of sacrifice
79. 6:15You can live a life of sacrifice that short of the ultimate sacrifice of giving one's life
80. 6:26in that ultimate fashion.
81. 6:27You can live a life of sacrifice.
82. 6:29God calls husbands to love our wives as Christ, love the church, and gave himself for her.
83. 6:35I've explained before marriage and family is one of the institution that God has designed
84. 6:42to help males transition into manhood, and specifically the quality and characteristic
85. 6:47of manhood that we live lives of sacrifice.
86. 6:54Because sacrifice is a biblical love ethic, and as Jesus explained, that includes the ultimate
87. 7:01sacrifice.
88. 7:02So as you are listening to me, I'm grateful for the surge in young people who are willing
89. 7:10to join our military.
90. 7:11I'm honored and encouraged by the scores of young people that recognize, you know, I want
91. 7:19to live a life for something bigger than myself.
92. 7:21I want to stretch for something that is not self-absorbed, that is not self-aggrandizing
93. 7:27and consumption-based, but I want to strive for something to where I'm living for something
94. 7:32beyond myself.
95. 7:33And that corresponds to the reality of being made hardwired with eternity in our hearts.
96. 7:41that desire, that yearning, that inclination is something that God has placed in us.
97. 7:49Because we are made to live for something broader and beyond ourselves.
98. 7:55It is the fallenness, the fallen nature of man that produces the self-absorption, self-centeredness,
99. 8:01and things of that nature.
100. 8:03But it is by the divine grace of God that we are able to experience the free gift of salvation
101. 8:11to be regenerate and enjoy a new nature.
102. 8:15And one of the greatest privileges we have that we can connect our God breathed hardwiring
103. 8:22to regeneration and that God breathed hardwiring corrected to regeneration is what aids us in
104. 8:29discerning purpose to where we live lives pursuing something bigger, broader, grander, transcendent,
105. 8:38more than just us. That is something that should be encouraged.
106. 8:42That is something that should be cultivated.
107. 8:45And among the body of Christ, this is something,
108. 8:49this is a conversation that we should have more frequently.
109. 8:55There was a time in our nation's history
110. 8:58to where, you know, especially little boys,
111. 9:00what do you want to be when you grow up?
112. 9:02I want to be a police officer.
113. 9:03I want to be a firefighter, you know?
114. 9:07Why would you want to be these things?
115. 9:08I want to help people.
116. 9:09I want to protect people.
117. 9:11We used to celebrate these kinds of things
118. 9:13before our society became deluded and we were overwhelmed in all kinds of efforts to
119. 9:23vulcanize our society into where we as as as had elements of our society to try to turn
120. 9:30law enforcement for example into enemies in the turn military service into being that of
121. 9:37enemies to turn like emigrations and customs enforcement we used to appreciate and celebrate
122. 9:43these types of people in our society.
123. 9:45But the reversal of that is a product of regressive encroachment.
124. 9:51But we need to get back to an understanding that man greater love
125. 9:54has no man in this that he laid out his life for his friends.
126. 9:58And this self-sacrifice, love ethic does not require us to say,
127. 10:05okay, so because of that we don't have a nation anymore.
128. 10:09A national language, we don't even have a national language.
129. 10:12We speak whatever anybody else wants to speak.
130. 10:15No, the sacrifice ethic doesn't require that.
131. 10:20That's a perversion of what the scriptures explain.
132. 10:26Even in the scripture and biblical Israel had some of the greatest
133. 10:31immigration policy, if you wish, but they required what you come here, but you have to be one of us.
134. 10:37You can't come here and have your pagan worship festivals and to turn us into
135. 10:46what the nations around us have been.
136. 10:47That's what God objected to repeatedly.
137. 10:49So it is a time of reflection, a time of giving honor,
138. 10:55where honor is due, a time of mourning,
139. 10:58the losses that we've suffered in our nation,
140. 11:00and a time of being reminded that sacrifice
141. 11:02is a biblical love ethos.
142. 11:05There's a reality of living lives of sacrifice,
143. 11:08and there's a reality of love being displayed
144. 11:10in the ultimate sacrifice being accomplished.
145. 11:14The most enduring and important demonstration
146. 11:17of that ultimate sacrifice is clearly,
147. 11:19and the resurrected King of glory,
148. 11:23that as the Apostle Paul said,
149. 11:24without the shedding of blood,
150. 11:26well, let me say it better,
151. 11:26when Leviticus says without the shedding of blood,
152. 11:28there's no remission of sins.
153. 11:29The Apostle Paul said that without Christ's death
154. 11:32and resurrection, it was not for his resurrection
155. 11:35that we would still be in our sins.
156. 11:38And I'm not remotely attempting to place military service
157. 11:42on the same plane with Messiah.
158. 11:43What I'm trying to convey to you is that sacrifice
159. 11:47in recognizing that sacrifices they love ethic
160. 11:50is anchored in the scripture.
161. 11:53And it is one that we should recognize
162. 11:55as we are faced with the day nationally,
163. 12:01where we're called to confront the fact
164. 12:04that we've lost people in service of our nation,
165. 12:07in battles and in wars,
166. 12:10to soberly reflect upon that.
167. 12:12And then I would add into the reflection,
168. 12:15to consider how may God be calling you and me
169. 12:18to live lives of sacrifice.
170. 12:20I mentioned a few of them as a husband
171. 12:23and as a father, I'm called to live sacrificially
172. 12:26before my wife, as unto the Lord, as a father,
173. 12:30I'm called to live sacrificially for my children.
174. 12:34Some of that sacrificial living includes me telling them,
175. 12:36though, understanding that they may be upset for a moment,
176. 12:39but my investment is for their betterment overall.
177. 12:42So yes, I will tell you, no, and yes, I will display
178. 12:47I love for you in corrective discipline.
179. 12:50You may be upset for the moment,
180. 12:51but over time you'll recognize what is happening
181. 12:54and prayerfully by God's grace,
182. 12:56you'll be trained by the discipline to understand
183. 12:59that the discipline was employed
184. 13:01so that you would be an effective disciple
185. 13:05and what you have received that you become
186. 13:08a disseminator of by God's grace.
187. 13:13And that we seek every one of us
188. 13:15who is listening right now, everyone even tuned in
189. 13:18that we would refuse to be conformed to the world around us,
190. 13:24but we will be transformed by the renewing of our minds
191. 13:29so that we may be able to prove what is the good, perfect,
192. 13:33and acceptable will of God, the vehicle of that transformation,
193. 13:38that transformation is God's holy word.
194. 13:42And then as we are transformed, we are advocates
195. 13:46for the very same transformation that we've enjoyed,
196. 13:48we advocate for others to experience that same transformation.
197. 13:54This is what we have the privilege to be about.
198. 13:59So as you're listening right now and making your transition,
199. 14:04I encourage you to do so with intentionality
200. 14:06and understanding the primacy that God places on family,
201. 14:10and you welcome the Lord first to transform you,
202. 14:13then you become an agent of the very same transformation
203. 14:15that you enjoy.
204. 14:17And step by step, day by day, moment by moment, heart,
205. 14:21One heart, one mind at a time.
206. 14:23That we will see God's kingdom expanded.
207. 14:26In the deposits that we make,
208. 14:29we make with the expectation
209. 14:33that the harvest will be an eternal one.
210. 14:37This is our portion.
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236. 16:04Shiting light into the darkness,
237. 16:07This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
238. 16:11Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton,
239. 16:13the third here, and I am honored to have
240. 16:15on the program with me a man who's been on this show,
241. 16:17but this is the first time I've been on the program with him.
242. 16:20He is a retired chaplain and lieutenant colonel
243. 16:24for our US Army.
244. 16:26He served in ministry for over 50 years as a pastor,
245. 16:30as a congregational minister, as I mentioned,
246. 16:33an Army chaplain and a director of Christian ministry.
247. 16:35He's the founder of the Exodus mandate project.
248. 16:39And he is our guest right now, none other than Mr. E.
249. 16:43Ray Moore.
250. 16:44Ray, thank you so much for joining me here
251. 16:46on the Hamilton Corner, especially having
252. 16:48had the opportunity to meet you not too long ago
253. 16:50in Greenville, South Carolina.
254. 16:52We had a good time in Greenville.
255. 16:53And I was glad to finally meet you.
256. 16:56I've been following your great career in ministry,
257. 16:59but oh, maybe six or eight years, I just can't quite remember.
258. 17:04but we're fans in support of AFR
259. 17:09and we know the Weilman family.
260. 17:11And so we're really grateful to have the opportunity
261. 17:13to be on your show.
262. 17:15Oh, well, again, the privilege and the honor
263. 17:18is certainly mine to have you on the program.
264. 17:20I wanna jump right in because as I mentioned,
265. 17:23you're the founder of the Exodus Mandate Project,
266. 17:27which is a ministry of frontline ministries.
267. 17:29What is the Exodus Mandate Project?
268. 17:34It's a ministry on effort to encourage and assist Christian families, pastors, and churches
269. 17:42to leave behind the government schools, we sometimes call them Pharaoh schools, for the
270. 17:48promised land of Christian campus schools or homeschooling.
271. 17:53Additionally, it's our prayer and hope that a fresh obedience by Christian families and
272. 17:59churches and educating their children according to biblical mandates will be a key for the revival
273. 18:08of our families, our churches and our nation. You mentioned a revival anchored in a renewed
274. 18:17obedience to scripture. Would you expound on that a little bit?
275. 18:23Well, we all pray in seeking revival. It's really a theme that's been very strong
276. 18:30among born-again Christians in the last decade.
277. 18:35And it is a sovereign act of a sovereign God.
278. 18:40So you can't manipulate God.
279. 18:44He's not a genie in a bottle or anything.
280. 18:48But we certainly can pray for it and we can create the conditions
281. 18:54that make revival more likely and possible.
282. 18:58And when the church is in a state of disobedience in some area, it might impede revival.
283. 19:08And one of the things I think that most Christians have done is that they public school their
284. 19:12kids, you know, for decades.
285. 19:17And we think that they're not coming out the way we would want and prefer.
286. 19:25And they're not being obedient.
287. 19:26So when families are homeschooling and put their kids in Christian school, there's a different
288. 19:33result.
289. 19:35And my wife and I are an example of it.
290. 19:37We started homeschooling in the 70s and children of 55, 49, 46, and 43.
291. 19:47And they were homeschool usually through middle school.
292. 19:51And then we tended to put them in a private Christian school after that.
293. 19:56And then we have nine grandchildren who have either been home school or in a private Christian
294. 20:01school.
295. 20:02And we've seen the wonderful impact that's had on our family and our children.
296. 20:06So we recommend it and we think the scriptures teach it.
297. 20:10Now, as I mentioned, you've been in the ministry of over 50 years.
298. 20:16You've been at this for quite some time, yet it's remarkable that you tend to communicate
299. 20:25articulate some of the same things that I'm communicating where as now I have young children
300. 20:30in my home right now and people who've heard my testimony and our journey began with just the
301. 20:36word of God. We didn't have anybody around us who were doing it but we were convicted by the Lord
302. 20:41in his word that this is what he required of us. You also were in a film that I was in recently
303. 20:48the Educated for Liberty film and as we've talked in Greenville and even before coming on the air
304. 20:52here you mentioned that this is something that's vitally important for our country to know that
305. 20:57is available. Why do you think it's such an important tool and resource for people in this moment?
306. 21:05I think possibly if this movie, this film got wide distribution and I'm believing it will,
307. 21:14because a lot of people are behind it, it could be one of the most important media tools that we've
308. 21:21had in a decade that would grow Christian schooling and homeschooling. And they can go,
309. 21:30I know you're in it, you speak in it several times, I speak in it several times, and they can go to my
310. 21:36webpage at ExodusManDate.org. And it's the very first thing at the top of my webpage if they wanted
311. 21:45to view it. It's only been out six weeks, so it's brand new and most people don't know about it,
312. 21:50But those of us that are in and are promoting it.
313. 21:53So I think it will it and move the ball down the field near the enemy goal line.
314. 21:59If we can get enough people to see it, we're hoping to have 10 million viewers in a year.
315. 22:04And that's a big, big task.
316. 22:06And we all have to be, you know, in the saddle together on that.
317. 22:11Yeah.
318. 22:12Would you give the website again, where people can go and you can view the film is free of charge.
319. 22:16It's not anything.
320. 22:17Nobody has to pay anything to view the film.
321. 22:18You can watch it with no charge.
322. 22:20Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that. Yeah, they can go to my web page at ExodusMandate.org,
323. 22:27and it's a very top item. And of course, I have a lot of other things on home schooling
324. 22:33and Christian schooling on my web page, and if they would take time to look at that, I'd
325. 22:37be grateful. But they could go to educatedforliberty.com. That's their web page. And as you said, it's
326. 22:47free right now online.
327. 22:49So there's no cost and we're hoping people will look at it
328. 22:53and then forward it to their pastor
329. 22:55and try to get it shown in group settings, congregations,
330. 22:59Bible studies, prayer meetings.
331. 23:01We've tried to get a, have a mass showing.
332. 23:04Well said.
333. 23:05Now we are in a moment and you mentioned
334. 23:09that you and your family started homeschooling in the 70s
335. 23:12and that was a time when some portions of our country,
336. 23:15It was deemed illegal for that to be the case.
337. 23:19Although the reality is homeschooling has more of a rooted history in our country than the
338. 23:25antithesis to homeschooling.
339. 23:26We had a nation to where homeschooling was really the standard and it wasn't until really
340. 23:31Horace Mann followed his visit to Prussia to where the modern understanding of government
341. 23:40funded public education really took root.
342. 23:42Would you talk a little bit about how that all started
343. 23:45with Horace Mann in Massachusetts?
344. 23:47Well, I'm glad you know that Brother Abraham,
345. 23:51you'd be amazed how a few people know that history.
346. 23:55It's kind of a dark chapter in early American history.
347. 24:00For the first 200 years of American history,
348. 24:05we had no state control tax subsidized state run public schools.
349. 24:12all the schools from the pilgrims up to 1840,
350. 24:17Horace Mann, we dated around 1840,
351. 24:20all education at the K-12 level was done by family groups,
352. 24:24which was homeschooling, community schools,
353. 24:29private academies, and they were pretty well church run,
354. 24:33and the government was not involved in funding it
355. 24:37or controlling it, and that changed around 1840,
356. 24:42And so we've lived with that and it took it a while
357. 24:46to take control of education.
358. 24:49But by the turn of the 20th century,
359. 24:51that model had become dominant
360. 24:54and the churches gave up their academies
361. 24:57and their Christian schools.
362. 24:59Now a question that I have,
363. 25:01and I've been eager to have this conversation
364. 25:04because the scripture tells us something powerful,
365. 25:07Romans 12, for example, verses one and two.
366. 25:09The scripture says that the degree to with which the believer
367. 25:13refuses to be conformed to the world
368. 25:16and instead of being conformed to the world
369. 25:17that we are transformed, metamorpho,
370. 25:20by the renewing of our minds
371. 25:21and we are able to prove a doki-modzo is the Greek term,
372. 25:25the will of God, what is good, perfect and acceptable.
373. 25:28What happened in our nation from as you pointed
374. 25:31about the 1840s to about 1918 or so,
375. 25:34when the 200-some-odd years prior,
376. 25:38There was a home-based thesis with church oversight
377. 25:42to where we would return to my question is,
378. 25:45what happened in the church that allowed such
379. 25:49a nefarious camel nose to get under the proverbial tent,
380. 25:52so to speak, which is now a result of what we see today?
381. 25:56Well, the trick play of Horace Mann
382. 25:59and those in that era was this,
383. 26:04prior to 1840 to 1830,
384. 26:08The United States was almost entirely a Protestant nation.
385. 26:12There were not many Catholics if they were here.
386. 26:15They were mostly living in Maryland.
387. 26:18Only one Catholic signed the Declaration of Independence.
388. 26:23And so we were a Protestant nation.
389. 26:26But in round 1830, we had the Irish potato famine, and suddenly they were starving in
390. 26:33Ireland and hundreds of thousands of Irish Catholics began to immigrate to New York, Philadelphia,
391. 26:39Boston, and it really spooked the Protestant clergy. They saw them, the Protestant dominion
392. 26:51over the nation was so slipping. And Horace Mann and that group said, look, let's compile
393. 27:00and have a state-run state government subsidized tax subsidized school system,
394. 27:06and we'll put all the children there, and we'll use the public schools to proselytize Catholic children
395. 27:13and make them Protestants.
396. 27:15And then you have to give up your pet doctrines in the state school,
397. 27:21but we'll still keep the Ten Commandments and we'll have a little prayer.
398. 27:25And so they kept that system.
399. 27:28Well, the Catholics weren't going to have that, and they pulled away starting about then, and it took them decades.
400. 27:37They set up a entirely different parochial school system, a church school system for their kids, and we were left with the public schools.
401. 27:49They weren't so bad. I finished high school in 1961, and we still had chapel once a month in the public school.
402. 27:58and we had prayer and Bible reading in homeroom every day.
403. 28:04That was at a explicitly Christian school,
404. 28:06but Christianity was tolerated,
405. 28:08and it was one of the players.
406. 28:11And so that was 1962 and 63,
407. 28:14when the Supreme Court ruled against prayer and Bible reading.
408. 28:17And so we fell off the cliff in 1962 and 63.
409. 28:22So what you're talking about, Brother Abraham,
410. 28:25was very gradual and very slow.
411. 28:28like the frog and the kettle, and it was happening,
412. 28:30and people didn't see it.
413. 28:31So now all of a sudden, all this debris and garbage and waste
414. 28:36is washing up on our shores from public education,
415. 28:39and people are horrified, and they say, what happened?
416. 28:41Well, it happened in 1840.
417. 28:43It's not yesterday.
418. 28:46Yeah, it's like the scripture says,
419. 28:47sin grows as a man travels one step at a time,
420. 28:50but it sits, it was so gradual and slow
421. 28:52until it was no longer gradual and slow.
422. 28:54And then we've gotten what we have.
423. 28:58And so following the timeline as you've encapsulated it
424. 29:02from about 1840 to 1918 or so,
425. 29:06you've had a radical changing of the way
426. 29:09that education was normalized in our country
427. 29:11to the point to where ultimately home education
428. 29:14became illegal until about the late 70s
429. 29:19and to the early 80s.
430. 29:21Would you talk a little bit about the movement
431. 29:23to fight to regain the ground that was kind of forfeited from 1840 to the early 1900s,
432. 29:291918 or so.
433. 29:30My wife and I were so new in homeschooling that it wasn't illegal and we went in Indiana
434. 29:38at the time finishing up theological seminary training.
435. 29:42And it was not illegal.
436. 29:44It was just totally unregulated.
437. 29:45It didn't exist.
438. 29:46And so they didn't have laws far enough against it.
439. 29:50And we didn't owe another family for four or five years that was homeschooling in Indiana.
440. 29:55Wow.
441. 29:57But then things began to progress to the point to where it was illegalized and it led to the
442. 30:02formation of the homeschool legal defense association under Mike Ferris and led to a
443. 30:07state by state and even some lobbying on Capitol Hill to get to the place to where homeschooling
444. 30:13was once again legal all across the nation.
445. 30:15Is that right?
446. 30:17Yeah, that's right. And we looked at the Home School Legal Defense Association,
447. 30:22which was founded by Michael Ferris. Currently, the president is Jim Mason, who you and I both know.
448. 30:30He's doing a very good job, too. They won about 90% of their cases in court. There was a lot of
449. 30:37litigation in the 80s and 90s, early 90s, and they won the cases. And so it's relatively,
450. 30:44has been until now we're going to talk about that I think in a few minutes, relatively unregulated,
451. 30:51but it is regulated some. It is on a state-by-state basis. So it depends on what state you're in,
452. 30:57but it's free and you can homeschool. Sometimes you have to jump through a few hooks to do it, but it's
453. 31:03unregulated, lightly regulated, and then some states more moderately regulated.
454. 31:10Mm-hmm, which leads me to the modern push to move from light or moderate regulation to where now
455. 31:20there's a pretty significant push to move more towards from moderate to being heavily regulated.
456. 31:29And there was an article that was published by Harvard Law Professor Elizabeth Bartlett,
457. 31:35and this was happening during kind of the COVID days where a lot of people were doing other things
458. 31:41things that may not have paid attention to.
459. 31:43And we'll have to start this now because when a break is coming on us, we'll have to continue
460. 31:46to have to break.
461. 31:48But just before we get to the break in about 30 seconds or so, would you give us an overview
462. 31:52of what Elizabeth Bartlett postulated that has led to a change concerning the regulatory
463. 31:57regime concerning homeschooling?
464. 31:59Well, she published that article in 2019 in the Arizona Law Review, it's 80 pages.
465. 32:06Your audience may not have time to read it, but it's sort of the blueprint by the left
466. 32:11and the progressives to regulate or if not shut down home scooted.
467. 32:17And she put published that and it kind of became the guideline for what we're
468. 32:23facing right now. We're gonna talk about after the break.
469. 32:25Alright, that's a good place to take a break. You listening to the Hamilton Corner
470. 32:29or watching the Hamilton Corner, my guest is Ray Moore, founder of the Exodus mandate project.
471. 32:34We just had a conversation kind of given an overview of our history and our nation
472. 32:38concerning home education and Christian pedagogy and moving forward to where we are currently,
473. 32:44because though up to this date, homeschooling has been lightly, as Ray said, to moderately
474. 32:50regulated.
475. 32:51There's a new sheriff, so to speak, trying to change that regulatory regime.
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490. 34:14Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here.
491. 34:18My guest is Brother Ray Moore, founder of the Exodus mandate project.
492. 34:23This brother has been in the trenches fighting for the cause of Christ on multiple fronts
493. 34:29for 50 plus years now by God's grace.
494. 34:33He's in his 80s, but he's going strong.
495. 34:35And I am, you guys know me even listening for a while, I kind of considered an honor to be
496. 34:40able to glean from the wisdom of seasoned saints as my brother Moore here.
497. 34:46And before we went to the break, we were talking about the reality that historically homeschooling
498. 34:53really was the standard in our nation.
499. 34:55Then as a result of Horace Mann's invention, so to speak, and then the popularity of it from
500. 35:01about 1840 to the early 1900s, then government education through taxpayer funding became
501. 35:09the norm and then ultimately there was a push to illegalize home education which
502. 35:16led to the rise of the home school legal defense association under Mike
503. 35:19Ferris's founding and leadership. Jameson is now the president of HSLDA to
504. 35:24whereas as it stands homeschooling is pretty lightly or moderately regulated
505. 35:28but there are forces. Brother Moore said progressive you know I call him
506. 35:32regresses on this show because they're not advancing anything but they're
507. 35:37seeking really to stamp out homeschooling in total or to try to regulate it away as aggressively
508. 35:43as possible. And the blueprint for that movement has been Elizabeth Bartlett's 80-some-odd page
509. 35:49article published in 2019. And, brother Moore, you were sharing with us a bit of that blueprint and how
510. 35:55legislators, unfortunately, are taking her blueprint and attempting to implement it all across our country.
511. 35:59There are about six states that have picked up legislation that would carry out some of
512. 36:08the arguments of the Blizzard Bartlett of Arizona Law Review article from 2019.
513. 36:16And I'll just kind of briefly summarize what she's saying.
514. 36:20And these laws, we don't want to go into all of them, but we do want to mention that
515. 36:24Connecticut has passed a law.
516. 36:28And they've gone further in this direction than any other state.
517. 36:32And I think it's awaiting a signature of the governor, Lamont, I believe, unless he signed
518. 36:39it in the last week.
519. 36:40I haven't heard that.
520. 36:41It's not law, but it's passed the legislation.
521. 36:44Illinois tried this last year, but thankfully there were families in Illinois that rose up
522. 36:49and beat that disastrous bill back.
523. 36:52But as soon as you had to turn into calendar, you have things like Connecticut, as you mentioned,
524. 36:55that have started their kind of assault against it.
525. 36:57go right ahead and explain what's going on in Connecticut.
526. 37:02It's a threat and if it passes and the government signs it, it could become model legislation
527. 37:09to severely regulate homeschooling if not shut it down.
528. 37:14They don't absolutely say you can't do it, they just make it impossible for you to do
529. 37:19this.
530. 37:20Exactly, exactly.
531. 37:21And like you said, it's passed but it's just waiting a governor's signature.
532. 37:24Yeah, last I heard now. That was about a week ago. I heard that it's bad.
533. 37:30A professor Bartlett believes that homeschooling needs to be regulated to protect children
534. 37:37from abuse and neglect of the parents. This is absurd.
535. 37:42You can assume in most cases, almost 100% of the cases,
536. 37:48parents
537. 37:49Love their children and won't the best of them
538. 37:52So it's her that argument is a faulty assumption
539. 37:57She also thinks that parents are not qualified to provide a basic education for their children. We know that's not
540. 38:05True either. There's so much out there now on the internet so many helps
541. 38:10We were just at a be Bob Jones University Press Conference you and I and they are publishing great curriculum
542. 38:17They're not the only one.
543. 38:19They're many, many good curriculum providers.
544. 38:22And then she also believes that homeschooled children should attend public school so they
545. 38:29can be exposed to things their parents are protecting them from.
546. 38:34Well that's why we homeschool.
547. 38:35We want to get away from those things.
548. 38:38And so these are our free main arguments.
549. 38:43And now I have a theory and it's not I'm not unique in it of why they're doing this.
550. 38:49They don't care about abuse and neglect of children.
551. 38:52If they did, they would do something about all the abuse and neglect that goes on in the
552. 38:57public school system.
553. 38:58I think they left the Marxist-leaning left sees themselves losing power of the culture
554. 39:09because there's so many children being homeschooled
555. 39:12in campus Christian schools now.
556. 39:14We don't know how big the homeschool movement is
557. 39:17in America, but it could be up to five million.
558. 39:19I'm just not sure it's growing so fast.
559. 39:23And campus Christian schools are exploding too.
560. 39:25I work with a group that they right now have 40 schools
561. 39:29that are in the hangar trying to start them up simultaneously.
562. 39:34You've got Renewa Nation,
563. 39:35which is exploding across the land
564. 39:37with starting up schools.
565. 39:38You've got foundation for American Christian education.
566. 39:44And then you have many, many homeschool groups.
567. 39:47So it's possible within three to five years
568. 39:53that the left will lose total control of the culture
569. 39:57because they've lost control of education
570. 40:00and lost control of the children of the future.
571. 40:03And they've got to put a stop to this
572. 40:05Well, they will lose political, cultural power in the society.
573. 40:10Because these homeschool kids are different breed,
574. 40:14and I know mine are, mine are grown now,
575. 40:17and they're very successful in their marriages,
576. 40:20in their chosen profession,
577. 40:23and they've been successful parents as well.
578. 40:26So I think it's all about loss of control,
579. 40:30loss of political and cultural power.
580. 40:32That's what's driving their engine.
581. 40:35There's data to support what you're saying
582. 40:38because I just last week was sharing a statistic
583. 40:41that showed one in every five American children
584. 40:45by the age of 18 will report sexual abuse
585. 40:47of some sort in the public school system.
586. 40:49One in every five, that's 20%.
587. 40:51I also just read a report that in the state of Texas
588. 40:54in the school year, the 25, 26 school year,
589. 40:5875,000 students withdrew from the public school system.
590. 41:03that's projected to grow to 125,000 in the 2627 academic year.
591. 41:09And within the next three to five years,
592. 41:10they're anticipating anywhere between four
593. 41:12to 600,000 students to absent the public school system.
594. 41:17That is just in Texas.
595. 41:18That is just in Texas.
596. 41:20And exploding by the Abraham.
597. 41:22Yeah, it truly is.
598. 41:24And I think you're absolutely right
599. 41:25because if the concern was about neglect and abuse,
600. 41:29there wouldn't be a singular focus upon homeschooling.
601. 41:33And then the other thing is,
602. 41:36what laws already exist to prevent neglect
603. 41:41or to address neglect and abuse.
604. 41:43And it's amazing to see such a clamoring in response
605. 41:51to, as you mentioned, there's no specific data
606. 41:55into the exact quantity, and that's because thankfully,
607. 41:57In a lot of states, you have very little regulation of homeschooling, but it's a threat to the
608. 42:03unanimity of control.
609. 42:06I mentioned earlier this week in the Carson versus making case that made it to the U.S.
610. 42:10Supreme Court, Justice Stephen Breyer in his dissent in 2022 said the reason why this is
611. 42:16what he said, it's in print, page 12 of his dissent.
612. 42:18He said the reason why we support public funding for public schools is because the public
613. 42:24school is the quote primary institution for transmitting the
614. 42:29values upon which our society rests. You know, that's what
615. 42:33the longest they've been saying that the concern was really
616. 42:36writing in the arithmetic. But in a candid moment, just as
617. 42:39Byron admits, well, now it's not about reading writing in the
618. 42:42arithmetic, it's a values transmission institution. And we
619. 42:46don't go ahead go ahead.
620. 42:49A powerful admission.
621. 42:50It's a powerful admission. And it's in print for everybody to read
622. 42:53if we'll read it.
623. 42:54Okay.
624. 42:55In the question I have for you, what kind of values are being transmitted if we have a
625. 43:00system of instruction that intentionally excludes the knowledge of God from the pedagogical
626. 43:07in catacizing formational investment?
627. 43:10Well, the Proverbs and I can't cite the text of reference that says only by the knowledge
628. 43:16of God will mend the part from evil.
629. 43:18So when you remove God of the gospel, the Bible from any system, it corrupts itself.
630. 43:25And so the system is just getting more and more corrupt every day.
631. 43:29And so we have to, we, they're not going to let us bring the gospel in and the Bible
632. 43:33back in.
633. 43:34So we need to realize that that's ship sale.
634. 43:37So we need to do it over and start ourselves.
635. 43:41There's a hundred thousand evangelical churches in America.
636. 43:45And if just one fourth of them would start a Christian school in the next decade, we would
637. 43:49meet the need in Tyrell.
638. 43:53You mentioned six states we discussed Connecticut.
639. 43:57Would you just give us a brief overview of some of the other states?
640. 43:59I have them here listed, but I invite you to kind of give an overview of the threat to
641. 44:05home education as being posed in these other states.
642. 44:08Connecticut is the most serious one because it passed, but I don't know if it's been signed
643. 44:13into law.
644. 44:14to study that and that law is the most egregious of the ones that have been mentioned. So it's
645. 44:21very, very dangerous law. Hawaii offered a law and the families rose up in Hawaii and
646. 44:31complained so bitterly that even the sponsor of the bill voted against its own bill.
647. 44:36Washington State, West Virginia, New Jersey.
648. 44:42I can't give you all the details of what's happening
649. 44:45recently, but these are the states that started up
650. 44:50an effort and they're the blue states.
651. 44:53It's not happening in the red states.
652. 44:57We have other problems in those states,
653. 44:59but it's mostly the blue states.
654. 45:01So it's a problem and it needs to be monitored
655. 45:06And when it happens in your state,
656. 45:08you need to show up at the legislature
657. 45:10and testify as hundreds of families did,
658. 45:14even in Connecticut.
659. 45:15I mean, I think they would just slant with families,
660. 45:17testifying and writing the senators and the house members
661. 45:21that didn't seem to stop them.
662. 45:24What would you say to a parent who would say,
663. 45:26well, what about being something like?
664. 45:29What if I want my children to be something like in this,
665. 45:32as you mentioned in this pharaoh system,
666. 45:34What would you say to those parents or those families?
667. 45:37I'm really glad you brought that up at what on my list.
668. 45:41It's the number one argument against what I'm doing.
669. 45:45And it comes from Jesus' words in Matthew 5, 13, 14
670. 45:51where he commands Christians in all situations
671. 45:55and behavior to be solved in light,
672. 45:59which means we're to live the light of Christ
673. 46:01and express the gospel and be a good witness
674. 46:04wherever we are, but it's certainly not a command to put little
675. 46:07children in pagan schools and farms way. And there are many,
676. 46:12many scripture that show that that is unbiblical. And Matthew 19,
677. 46:1814, Jesus said, let the little children come unto me and do not
678. 46:23forbid them, do not enter them for such is the kingdom of God. And
679. 46:27you may remember in that text, it was the disciples that were
680. 46:31hindering the children being brought in Jesus. It wasn't the crowd. It was his own disciples.
681. 46:36And I hate to say it, but a lot of Christian leaders are hindering this movement. I'm not happy with pastors
682. 46:43in many cases. They're not facilitating the movement towards Christian schooling and homeschooling.
683. 46:50So there's so much scripture and if people want that pamphlet, they can write me or contact me at
684. 46:58Exodus mandate at gmail.com and ask for the Salt and Light sermon.
685. 47:07And I have two of them that I could send out if it's requested.
686. 47:11Salt and Light and whose responsibility is it to educate the children, not the governments.
687. 47:18Now my previous question kind of already implies an answer to this next question,
688. 47:23But to some who may not be aware, they would say, well, isn't education neutral?
689. 47:28Isn't it religiously neutral?
690. 47:30What would you say to that?
691. 47:32No, nothing is neutral.
692. 47:34Remember Jesus said, if you don't align with me, you're scattered.
693. 47:40So neutrality is not possible.
694. 47:43You either for me or against me, Jesus said.
695. 47:46So no, neutrality is not possible.
696. 47:48There was a time when the schools were not as egregious and as aggressively harmful,
697. 47:54Marley and Spiritually as they are now mentioned, I finished high school in 61 and I wouldn't
698. 47:59say it was a Christian school, but Christianity was tolerated.
699. 48:03And if you were a believer and a teacher as a Christian, you could express yourself in
700. 48:07that school.
701. 48:09But I think it would be appropriate to say, Dorothy, we ain't in Kansas anymore.
702. 48:15Right.
703. 48:16That ship has sailed, been surge onto the coast,
704. 48:22been broken down to firewood,
705. 48:24and that puppy has been burned quite some time ago,
706. 48:26because now you're having drag queen story hours,
707. 48:30you're having, you know, Sally has two mommies,
708. 48:32you have the full on offerings that are being presented.
709. 48:37What are, and I believe you,
710. 48:38if you have this accessible, oh man,
711. 48:41I hear a disrespectful music, man,
712. 48:42we're getting to the end.
713. 48:45And that time flew by.
714. 48:47That time flew by.
715. 48:48What would you say?
716. 48:49Well, come back.
717. 48:50Yeah, go ahead.
718. 48:51You go ahead.
719. 48:52I'll come back.
720. 48:52Oh, yeah.
721. 48:54I want to say that there's a belief that's faulty.
722. 48:58You know, that home schooling is a white middle class
723. 49:02phenomenon.
724. 49:04That is false.
725. 49:06Home schooling and Christian schooling
726. 49:07is growing faster now in the African-American community
727. 49:11than in the white community.
728. 49:12I work with a group in Baton Rouge, Louisiana,
729. 49:14on national black home educators, that's NBHE.net,
730. 49:21and they have 15,000 African-American families
731. 49:24that are homeschooling, and they pay dues.
732. 49:27So we're seeing a great growth in minority community,
733. 49:31Hispanic, Asian, and black families.
734. 49:39The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast
735. 49:41may not necessarily reflect those
736. 49:43of the American Family Association,
737. 49:45or American Family Radio.