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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
0:24Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28And now, the Hamilton Corner.
0:33President Ronald Reagan famously said,
0:36where violence begins, freedom ends.
0:40And with that quote, I welcome you to this edition
0:42of the Hamilton Corner, Alex McFarland here.
0:44And we've got a great show.
0:46We're going to talk about a number of things.
0:48And we're going to talk about what some have called
0:51social murder.
0:53Some months ago, the CEO of American,
0:58this insurance company called United Healthcare,
1:00Brian Thompson was just gunned down in Midtown Manhattan just before the end of last year.
1:08And the perpetrator, those on the left said it was justified because, like all health insurance
1:17companies, UnitedHealthcare, they pay some claims and ask for clarification on others and
1:23then deny some claims.
1:26And so those on the left, much like the people that
1:30liberated the assassination of my friend, Charlie Kirk,
1:34they say because there are ideologies with which they
1:39disagree that violence is somehow justified.
1:44And to that supposition, we disagree,
1:46and we will discuss this and more.
1:49Alex McFarland here, I'm greeting you from Oklahoma City.
1:52I've been on the road.
1:53a wonderful weekend in Wichita, Kansas.
1:56And somebody that I met there that I really was impressed with, and frankly, we had a wonderful
2:02afternoon doing some television, conversing about many things.
2:06Dr. Robert Linst did.
2:09And he is quite an accomplished man.
2:12He is the founder and leader of Sunrise Christian Academy.
2:16Also has a doctorate in mathematics, and that in itself deeply intrigues me because I think
2:23math has wonderful value for apologetics and defending the existence of God.
2:29But I wanted to have him on.
2:31AFR with me tonight.
2:32We'll talk about a lot of things, but without further ado, Dr.
2:36Robert Lindsted.
2:37Welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
2:42Hi, Alex.
2:42I'm going to be back with you today.
2:45Well, it's good to be back with you, sir.
2:49I think I'm hearing like an echo or something.
2:52I'm not sure if you've got to dampen the volume on your laptop or something like that.
2:57But for those that may be on the word, give us a little background on yourself if you would,
3:01Dr. Well, I'm going to have you repeat that question because I'm going to say something
3:09like that.
3:10But for those that may be OK, mute your laptop if you would so that we're not getting that
3:17echo and tell us about yourself if you would.
3:19You would, Dr.
3:24So we're not getting that echo.
3:28Okay, I'll tell you what, let's mute Dr.
3:30Lindsted until we can get his audio ironed out.
3:33Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio Network.
3:37And if I could get the engineers to let me know when we've got the audio smooth out.
3:42Let me tell you about what I'm doing tonight and then we'll get to Dr. Lindsted.
3:46but I have the great privilege.
3:47I'm at a restaurant in Oklahoma City
3:50called Bedlam Barbecue.
3:53This is really awesome.
3:55Jeff Watts and his staff were having a mens dinner tonight,
3:58a Monday night mens gathering,
4:00and I'm going to talk about biblical worldview and Q&A,
4:04and we'll just take all kinds of questions
4:05like we did Saturday night.
4:08By the way, one of the interesting,
4:10well, I say interesting, it's a matter of concern
4:13our culture is that the body of Christ, the 100 million strong body of believers in America,
4:22we believe they really need to be able to defend the Christian faith and defend the
4:28biblical worldview, rise to the challenge of 1 Peter 3.15 and be ready to give an answer.
4:35And so Grant Garwood started something in Wichita called the Honest Questions Project.
4:42It was my great privilege to speak over the weekend and he'll be with us later on in the
4:48program.
4:49And I've got again this summer my conversations that matter series.
4:54Last summer we had Dinesh D'Souza and Charlie Kirk.
4:58Well this summer and you can get complete information at my website which is alexmickfarlin.com.
5:05going to have Eric Metaxis and Eric Metaxis has written a brand new book on the 250th
5:12birthday of America and then we're going to have two former Muslims, Kamal Saleem and Muhammad
5:18Faridhi later on talking about the threat of Sharia and how we must, we must and they'll
5:27teach us how to do it, bring Muslims to Christ.
5:30I'm going to be speaking about revival in America and what are the personal steps we all can
5:36take to help foster and encourage a spiritual awakening in our nation.
5:43But my website is AlexMcFarlane.com and if you go to my speaking calendar, I'm all over
5:49the country but our conversations that matter, speaker series, I would really be grateful
5:55if you would pray, promote, and plan to attend.
6:00One last thing that I'm going to try to bring up Dr. Lindsted again is our equipped summer
6:07camps.
6:08And folks, you've heard me every year around this time we talk about Montana, upstate New
6:15Jersey, in the Hudson River Valley.
6:17We talk about Florida.
6:20We talk about the fact that we'll be in two places in North Carolina.
6:25refuge camp, which is in the eastern part of North Carolina, Brevard in the mountains, and
6:32Carl Kirby, Frank Figueroa, Holly Varnum, Dave Glander, myself.
6:37We've been evangelizing and equipping teenagers for 30 years and the equip camps.
6:44I tell moms and dads, youth leaders, invest a week that can count for a lifetime.
6:51the website for those equipretreat.org.
6:55What we're trying to do,
6:56we're trying to work proof your kids.
6:59Now I'm told that I have Dr. Robert Lindsted back.
7:02I'm gonna try this again.
7:03Dr. Lindsted are you there, sir?
7:06Yes, I think I can hear you.
7:08I hope you can hear me.
7:10I can hear you.
7:11You sound great.
7:12And I think we've got that feedback under control.
7:19So introduce yourself.
7:21I was just so blessed Friday when we were doing some TV and visiting and hearing about
7:27your journey and your service to the Lord.
7:29Introduce yourself if you would, brother.
7:33Well, I have a PhD in actually engineering, but it's in kind of in the applied math field.
7:41I do models.
7:42I make models of the human body and of different processes, whether it's a drying process like
7:48and soap or coffee or Pringles. But I enjoy applying math to problems of life. And I like
7:58not just the math, but I like the logic of math. How do you prove something? How do you
8:04get from one place to another? And so having taught at the university for a number of years
8:11and then at research labs and IBM and Procter & Campbell and a consultant with some companies,
8:19then it turned out that I needed to educate my own children. And that's how
8:25Sunrise Christian Academy came about. And God has blessed it. And now we have a number of
8:30international schools associated with us around the world. Usually in countries like we have one
8:35We have one in Lebanon, we have one in Bangladesh.
8:40We're getting ready to start one in India and in Waa.
8:43It's a little country stuck in between China and Burma.
8:48And so usually we go to a country that's suffering politically.
8:52And but you find it an excellent way to present the gospel.
8:57Because I really believe that when people see a world view
9:01from a Christian point of view, it's the healthiest,
9:04is the happiest point of view.
9:06And just like the problems that we've been talking about,
9:09you mentioned the whole idea of a murder,
9:13a social murder, wow.
9:15And then this weekend we had something called political murder.
9:20I thought murder was murder.
9:22And so we come to accept a violence,
9:26violence to become a way of life.
9:28How did that happen?
9:29Well, it happened because we begin to leave the bedrock
9:33of how we were raised, and we left the bedrock of what God said,
9:38this is the standard by which you can have the best life.
9:43Through Christ we have eternal life.
9:45But in addition to that, we have the best life
9:48if we use God's word as our standard.
9:53Exactly.
9:54And it's very troubling, or it should be troubling,
9:58to all rational adults and certainly freedom-loving
10:03Americans when those on the left are so
10:09wed to an ideology that they're willing to murder for it.
10:14And I know, Dr. Lindsted, I've spoken at
10:18a couple of hundred colleges over the last 27 years.
10:22And whether it's the environment,
10:25whether it's LGBTQ trans issues,
10:29whether it's Marxism versus capitalism.
10:36When those on the left, whether they be professors
10:40or students, when facts and logic refute their narrative,
10:47the meltdown can be pretty vehement and violent.
10:51And folks, this is not to be upset or nervous.
10:55It is to be prayerful, to be informed,
10:58to influence others and to unflinchingly stand for truth.
11:02But like the killing of Brian Thompson,
11:06the CEO of United Healthcare,
11:09those on the left, I remember the social media,
11:12they were celebrating his assassination
11:16because he ran a profitable company.
11:20I mean, where are we, Dr. Lindsted, as a society
11:25when those that feel like they have not feel justified in fighting, demonizing, even murdering
11:34those that they are jealous of. You see, it comes back to the worldview. And so they're saying,
11:44okay, this was just about, but because it was social murder. In other words, he distressed people
11:51by his decisions so much that they felt like they could justify social murder.
11:58But again, what's our baseline? What's our value system? The Bible talks about
12:05murder that it's wrong. Why is it wrong? Because man was made in the image of God.
12:11And so I think what we have to do is say, look, I can disagree with somebody, but it
12:17doesn't mean I want them dead. If they're not jeopardizing my life or my family's
12:23life, I don't want them dead. Why would I want somebody dead just because they
12:28disagree with me? So violence would become acceptable today. And we see that. Even if
12:34you watch a basketball game, a pro basketball game, the other night I was
12:38watching a pro basketball game, I think they had to break up six or seven fights.
12:43Now, some violence has become a way of life.
12:49We've always been violent people, and let me just use the murder story again, because
12:54let's go back to the Garden of Eden.
12:58Adam and Eve said, when Adam and Eve said, we broke fellowship with God.
13:03We're separated from God.
13:05And from that moment on, God the Father's is looking for a way to bring us back into
13:11fellowship with Him.
13:12One of the way he could do that is to send his son tremendous sacrifice to do that.
13:18But in promising a redeemer, Adam and Eve thought the first child born was going to be this man
13:25from God.
13:26They named Cain a man from God.
13:28And the first man from born instead of being a man from God, he turned to be a murderer.
13:35So, how did he, I mean, who taught him the violence to kill your brother?
13:41I don't know, but let me just use an imagination for a minute.
13:47Because remember, they came and offered a sacrifice.
13:51And it was the fruits of the field.
13:53It was work of his hands.
13:54It represented what he could do.
13:57But everybody got it established
14:00that there would be a sacrifice
14:02and that sacrifice would be blood.
14:04It would cost a life.
14:06Sin is what brings about the cost of a life.
14:11sin brings death is what the Bible teaches us.
14:14So here's Cain and he says,
14:16I don't want to kill an animal.
14:18You know, I don't want, you know,
14:19can you imagine having a bloody sacrifice?
14:21Why would God want that?
14:22Look at my watermelons.
14:24Look at my melons and my berries.
14:28Dr. Lee, forgive me.
14:29We've got to take a brief break.
14:31You know, I think about how God warned Cain in Genesis 6,
14:334, sin crouches at the door.
14:36It desires to master you, but you must master it.
14:40Alex McFarland, Dr. Robert Lindsted,
14:42the Hamilton Corner on AFR.
14:44We've got a brief break.
14:45We'll be back after this.
14:47Stay tuned.
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17:00Shiting light into the darkness,
17:07this is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
17:12Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here.
17:15And I am greeting you from Bedlam Barbecue,
17:19which is on Route 66 in Oklahoma City.
17:22This is really awesome.
17:24I'm going to speak tonight here in just a little while.
17:28And if you happen to be in the area, swing on by and we're going to have some Q&A as well.
17:35But right now we're talking with a gentleman, just a dear colleague in the gospel that I
17:41met last week in Wichita, Kansas, Dr. Robert Lindstid.
17:47And there's a lot we could talk about and we don't have all that much time.
17:51I want to shift gears if we may and talk about eschatology in times.
17:57And one thing on which you and I agree, Dr. Linstead, look, all of Christians believe
18:03Christ is coming back.
18:05I believe in the rapture.
18:07I believe before the seven-year tribulation there will be a catching away.
18:11The Greek word is harpudzo, a catching away.
18:15And the rapture is not appreciated in all quarters.
18:21I do think it's biblical.
18:23But Dr. Lindsted, talk to us about eschatology a little bit.
18:27I know you've been dozens and dozens of times to Israel.
18:31You've been in Christian education for many years.
18:36What do you believe we can know about the end times according to God's Word?
18:42Well, again, I want to be in tune with God's program.
18:47And so as I look at Scripture and it talks about the coming of Christ, one, he comes back
18:55for the church.
18:57That's called the Rapture, the catching out.
18:59And when it comes back with the church, it appears to me that what the Apostle Paul was
19:04talking about in the Thessalonians chapter 4, he said, the Lord himself should be sitting
19:09from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel,
19:11with the Trump of God,
19:12then we who are alive in a remaining should be caught up together.
19:16And so the idea of the rapture is that Christ doesn't come back
19:22to the earth, but we meet him in the clouds.
19:26And yet they're reveding a Christ,
19:29which I believe comes at the end of the tribulation.
19:32The Bible speaks of the fact that Christ will come back.
19:35And when he does, the host of heaven will be with him.
19:37I plan to be in that group and he will put his feet on the Mount of all his foot and two.
19:42So one huge difference is that one of them Christ comes and he's in the air.
19:48We meet him in the air and the other Christ comes back to the earth.
19:51One he comes back for his bride, for the Christians when he comes back with the Christians.
19:57And so there's a huge difference between these two.
20:00The other thing that's interesting to me, did you know that in the Bible there was really
20:03seven incredible examples of Rapture of catching out. And so, some people make it sound like,
20:11okay, this is a freak thing that Darby invented or somebody invented. But think about, remember
20:18the character by the name of Enoch. The Bible said that he walked with God and he was taken.
20:25Or how about Elijah? He was not for God took him. Yeah. And so, and then you come to John
20:33chapter four and here's the Apostle John. In chapter four verse one it says, you
20:40know, he heard a voice as it were of a trumpet and said, come up here and John
20:44now finds himself in heaven. And you look at the Lord Jesus, he was taken up, you know,
20:50from the earth. Our habit in Corinthians where Paul, I think he's talking about
20:55himself, he said, I know a man, you know, in the flesh or not. I'm not sure, but he
21:00He said he was caught up, caught up, the idea caught up, taken up into the third heaven.
21:05And so as you look at these, God did this as a way to bring people to Him because His plan
21:13is to reveal Christ at the end of this tribulation when it comes to judge the Antichrist and to
21:21judge the false prophet and to restrict Satan himself for a thousand years.
21:27And so God has a plan and I think what we have to do, we have to study the Scripture.
21:33Let's find the plan that God has.
21:35Let's not invent our own plan.
21:37Any plan I would have had would be horrible compared to the plan that God has.
21:42So I'm pretty excited about the fact that God has a plan and that plan is to take his
21:48bride, the church, believers, out of the earth, out of this current situation.
21:57And I think it's before the tribulation.
21:59Why?
22:00Because he said that the church does not have to go through the wrath of God.
22:04That's his promise.
22:05I think Christ went through the wrath of God.
22:07You're not appointed to wrath.
22:10Yeah.
22:11And so if we're not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is a wrath, then, wow, we won't
22:16go through it.
22:17Alex, here's another thing, if we've got two or three minutes, let me play it backwards,
22:22because the tribulation begins in Revelation chapter 6.
22:26It comes on a white horse as a bow, and it brings about the same situations that are talked
22:32about in Matthew chapter 24, exactly the same and exactly the same order.
22:37But the anachrist who's revealed in chapter 6, he can't be revealed until chapter 5,
22:44in chapter five, the lamb gets the scroll from God the Father.
22:49But the lamb, which is Jesus, doesn't get the scroll until all the Christians have laid
22:55their crowns at the feet of God the Father.
22:58And we can't lay our crowns at the feet of God the Father until we get them, and we don't
23:05get them until the rapture.
23:07And so when you play it backwards, it's impossible for the church not to be in heaven when the
23:13the tribulation breaks loose because the rapture occurs in chapter four and the
23:19tribulation begins in chapter six. So there's over a dozen different
23:25arguments that show the beauty of God's plan. And so, wow, I'm, you know, I like, I
23:33like the Lord's prayer, you know, our Father which art in heaven, how do I be
23:37thy name? Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. And so I'm with the will
23:43God and he says this, that kingdom come, that kingdom come, on earth as in heaven. So my job is
23:51not to invent a plan, my job is to study the pattern of scripture and just like in the engineering
23:58and math there's patterns and those patterns are things that are beautiful and so the idea that
24:04there's really seven different raptures of which the church is one of those. To me the idea here
24:11God given us a complete analysis of the fact that yes, He's going to deliver some like He did Enoch,
24:17like He did Elijah. He's going to deliver them off the earth into His presence. And here's another
24:24one. I'm sure you're aware of this, but maybe our list is before we continue on though. But
24:29let me ask you this before we continue on for just a second. Can we know how close we are to the
24:37the rapture or if we are close to the rapture. Is that knowable?
24:41Well, we don't know the day or the hour, but he said it's like a woman in travail. And
24:50so we know, okay, here she is, and we look at her and we can't say, okay, you're going
24:54to have the child, you know, tomorrow or the next week. But he says in Matthew, he said,
25:01the evil servant is set in his heart. My Lord delays his coming one more day. And so, I'm
25:07I'm going to be honest with you.
25:08I wake up every day saying, wow, this could well be the day
25:12that Jesus comes back.
25:14So I want to live in anticipation of that event.
25:18And if I go my whole life trying to live that way,
25:22that's okay because to me, it seems like
25:24that's what the Apostle Paul was doing.
25:26He thought he would be, he said, bring my coat
25:32because for the next season of life,
25:33bring the books, the next season of life.
25:35But he said, I'm ready to die.
25:37So he was ready to die.
25:39He was ready for the next season of life.
25:40He was planning, but at the same time,
25:43he thought it'd be alive when Christ came back.
25:46So as a Christian, I think we triple think,
25:49every decision I make.
25:52So when asked me, okay,
25:53why are you gonna build another school in India?
25:55You know, why are you gonna,
25:56why are you planning a new addition to the school here
25:58in Bel Air?
25:59Here's why.
26:01Because I think God rewards us for what we intend to do.
26:05Look at Abraham and Isaac.
26:07You know, when you read the account of Abraham,
26:10it said that Abraham offered a visage.
26:12And I said, wait a minute, he didn't.
26:15He was stopped, but he intended to.
26:18And so God rewarded him just like he had offered up his son.
26:23And so that's why I think as I see the Lord coming soon,
26:28wow, I'm gonna do everything I can to promote the gospel.
26:32I'm gonna do everything I can to do things why,
26:34because God's gonna bless what I intended to do
26:37if I could live out my whole life.
26:40Do you, Dr. Lin said, the great CS Lewis said the exact same thing.
26:45It's funny, and by the way, for those just tuning in,
26:48Alex McFarland here with my guest, Dr. Robert Linstead,
26:52we're talking about when the church is caught away.
26:55But in 1954, CS Lewis was interviewed by Eternity Magazine
27:01about the return of Christ.
27:03And CS Lewis said, very famously,
27:05I've used this quote in literally hundreds of places.
27:09It may be my favorite closing illustration,
27:14but he said Christ is coming back,
27:17time will come to an end,
27:19history as we know it will come to a conclusion,
27:22but that does not absolve us of the responsibilities
27:26to carry out our day by day calling.
27:28And C.S. Lewis said,
27:30the animals on the farm may not get fed,
27:33Our great plans for tomorrow may not be carried to fruition,
27:37but it didn't matter.
27:38The important thing is this,
27:40we are at our post when the inspection comes.
27:45And that's gonna, what you're saying,
27:47like we should make the plans,
27:49we should be ready, be faithful.
27:51Be ready, be faithful.
27:54Is that how you read it, brother?
27:56Yeah, I sure do.
27:57And, you know, okay, for the bride of Christ,
28:02I've never met a bride that wasn't excited about the wedding day.
28:08A lot of times they come down, they say, you know, it's six months.
28:13It's two weeks, it's four days, it's so many hours.
28:17Okay, I'm the bride of Christ.
28:20You know, my dream is to see Jesus face to face.
28:26My dream is to see Him in all of His glory.
28:29I think I'm going to do that when the church is raptured.
28:33And so every plan I have, I can put aside because my dream will come to reality.
28:41But I really believe that if we look at the world and we see what the Bible says, there's
28:46several things.
28:48One is that Israel, Israel's God's timepiece.
28:52Sometimes I say that if Israel is the prophetic time clock, then the nation of Israel I think
28:59is the hour hand.
29:01Jerusalem is the minute hand and the temple mount is the second hand because so many things
29:08revolve Israel coming back as the nation.
29:12Wow, I look at the faithful brethren of yesteryear.
29:17Some of them before Israel became an issue, they said, you know what?
29:21We think God's going to restore Israel.
29:23We don't know when, we don't know how, but he's going to restore Israel.
29:27Why?
29:28They read the word of God, they took what God said literally and wow, how amazing to see
29:36Israel come back against insurmountable odds.
29:39I mean, who in the world would ever think that Israel could make it back?
29:42It was a hand of God.
29:44And then I think next is Jerusalem.
29:46The Bible talks about how that Jerusalem would be surrounded by the enemies and that people
29:51would be fighting over Jerusalem.
29:53That's exactly what we're seeing.
29:56Now we've seen in the last several months,
29:59but it's been going on for longer than that,
30:02the Temple Mount, the idea that Israel has a desire
30:06to sacrifice again.
30:08Why is that important?
30:09Well, because the Bible says that at the end time,
30:14the Antichrist will not make,
30:16but he'll confirm the covenant.
30:18There's a difference between make it and confirming.
30:21And so nice people can say.
30:22Well, let me ask you this.
30:24Yeah. And I know we could do an hour on this and I'm sure we probably will try to do that.
30:30Do you believe the current war with Iran has prophetic implications?
30:35Oh boy, I'm glad you asked me that question because even today, this morning as I was reading
30:41God's Word, again I said, Lord thank you because I see how things fit together. Let me
30:47just do it kind of in a nutshell. But he's Jeremiah 49, it talks about judgments against
30:53familiar with the areas around Israel. But one is against Babylon and Iraq, and I think
31:00it was fulfilled in Desert Storm. It used even the word Desert Storm. But one that I
31:07had a question mark in my Bible because I said, when was this fulfilled? It was on Elam.
31:12E-L-A-M, Elam. And Elam is, if you go to a Bible commentary, even it was written 30 years ago,
31:2040 years ago, they're going to say that that's the area of Persia.
31:23Today we call that area Iran.
31:26And it talks about how that, what's going to take place is the launchers, the bows are
31:32going to be broken down.
31:35It talks about how that even the fellow countrymen around them are going to come against it and
31:39it's going to involve the entire world.
31:41Look what's taking place.
31:43The whole world's involved in this.
31:45We're at a stalemate because of oil and all that Iran was shipping out.
31:50Then it says that the king and his princes will be destroyed.
31:55We now watch not only the Atola Kavadi killed, but we watch actually two or three levels
32:04of people after that all taken down.
32:07And then it says the world now is in disarray.
32:10I think that's the war section.
32:13But starting today in my devotion, I began to divide it into three parts.
32:18as a war next is eco 38. It says there's going to come a time that users are going to feel
32:23comfortable. And when they feel comfortable, they're going to actually have the children
32:30playing in the street. Now you mentioned I've been to Israel a number of times. Let me tell
32:34children not playing in the street. They're under, you know, some of my friends have been
32:39in the bomb shelter. One person told me 15 times in three days. And when I was there
32:44a summer ago, you know, we were up and down on the bottom shelters.
32:48But the Bible says that something's going to happen.
32:51I think it could be this war that is going to say, okay, we can sign a treaty
32:57and with the Antichrist, because we're going to get to sacrifice again.
33:01That's the goal of Israel.
33:02They do want to sacrifice again,
33:05didn't veer this week in quite a statement.
33:08And so I can see that if Iran is neutralized, taken out,
33:13defanged of missiles, I can see Israel saying, okay, we can do it.
33:17But then what happens, these nations come against Israel.
33:21This time not for war, they come for wealth. The Bible says that something...
33:25We are almost out of time in this segment. I know you've got a brand new book out on
33:29prophecy. We've got to have you back and we will unpack this further.
33:33I beg your forgiveness, Dr. Robert Lindsted, thank you.
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35:17Welcome back to the program.
35:18You know, as I travel all of the country, everybody asks me everywhere I go, you know,
35:23what can we do to bring people into the church?
35:27It seems like for many, many American churches, attendance or church growth has plateaued or
35:33is declining.
35:34And I will tell you folks, people are spiritually hungry.
35:38Literally everywhere I go, I meet people of all ages, but especially young people that
35:43are very spiritually hungry and teaching on what God's Word says about the end times,
35:49the Middle East. I mean, even teenagers want answers. But another great and very, I think,
35:57fruitful type of ministry is apologetics. And that's kind of been the space God's called
36:03me to for many decades. And somebody doing that is joining us now. We're talking with
36:09Dr. Robert Lindsted, but also just a valued colleague in the ministry, Grant Garwood.
36:16He's an author.
36:17He is a Christian leader.
36:19And for one thing, I want to say Grant, thanks for holding and being with us on the American
36:23Family Radio Network this evening.
36:25Thanks, brother.
36:27Yeah, Alex, it's a pleasure to be on here.
36:29Thank you for having me.
36:30Well, you know, over the weekend you led the Honest Questions Project, which is very innovative.
36:39It's very much like something I started 20 years ago that has gone national.
36:44But tell us about that because Saturday night you packed a venue.
36:51We were in Wichita, place was packed and I had the great honor of speaking.
36:57But how did you become aware of apologetics and how did God call you to use it as an outreach
37:03tool?
37:04It's kind of a long question.
37:06I'll try to condense it down to just a few minutes here.
37:09But Alex, I grew up in a Christian home.
37:12I grew up on a ranch in north central Nebraska,
37:14about 45 minutes south of the South Dakota border.
37:17So way up there in the Sand Hills
37:20and ended up going to Oklahoma Baptist University,
37:23which is about a half hour east of Oklahoma City.
37:25And I graduated there about 12 years ago.
37:28And even though I grew up in the Christian home
37:31and I got a Christian education,
37:33I will tell you, I really did not know anything
37:36about apologetics at all.
37:38And we moved to Wichita about 12 years ago.
37:41My wife and I, we've got three kids now,
37:43but when we moved to Wichita,
37:45a couple years after being here,
37:48I guess I was flipping through the radio stations,
37:50and I came across this station that was 91.1,
37:54something called American Family Radio.
37:56And this was probably close to 10 years ago,
38:00and there was a couple of guys talking on there,
38:03on a show called Exploring the Word.
38:05And his name was Bert Harper and Alex McFarland.
38:08And to make a long story short,
38:10I first started hearing about apologetics from you, Alex.
38:14And I did not know what it meant.
38:16Like a lot of people, I thought apologetics,
38:18you know, we hear that word,
38:19you think we're apologizing for the Christian faith.
38:23Instead, we know it's the opposite of that.
38:24It's the intentional defense of the Christian faith.
38:27But really, Alex, you were the one that got me started in that.
38:31I started to listen to the radio program.
38:33started diving into the word. I started reading your books. I started listening to podcasts,
38:38YouTube channels. And it really just expanded from there. And my day job is being a financial
38:45planner. And so this really was a, just a platform that I could relate to the data, the evidence,
38:53the logic. So that was a long answer to your question. But really, it was you. It was American
38:59and family radio, that's why you then even happen this week.
39:03And I'm happy to share about that too, but I just owe so much to you guys.
39:07It's so thankful for that.
39:09Well, to God be the glory.
39:10We're excited about the gospel.
39:12And, you know, let me say, folks, you could begin to do a special study, advertise, and
39:21say we're going over the hard questions and solid answers.
39:27But before we go too much further, Grant,
39:29do you have a website for the Honest Questions Project?
39:33Yes.
39:33It's called HonestQuestionsProject.com.
39:37Anybody can go there.
39:38You can register for the events.
39:40And I'm happy to share a little bit more about that.
39:42And what's upcoming next, Alex, if that ends up
39:44fitting in the show.
39:45But it's HonestQuestionsProject.com.
39:48You can get the information there.
39:49You can also see the upcoming events.
39:52Well, I really think it's very innovative.
39:54And like Dr. Lindsted, when I was in seminary,
39:58I was very blessed to get liberty
40:00and I sat under great men of God that believed the scriptures.
40:05And we heard people like Dr. John Walvard
40:09from Dallas Seminary and so many others.
40:13And I remember many of my professors
40:16said, host a prophecy conference at your local church.
40:20And I remember I've done that in a number of places
40:24Because, I mean, it's just natural, you know, Dr. Lindsted,
40:28people wanna know about the future and the end of time.
40:32Grant, people wanna know good answers to honest questions.
40:36And I really think the church has an opportunity
40:40to give searching people solid answers.
40:44And that's a way to get people
40:47under the sound of the gospel, isn't it, guys?
40:51Yes. Yeah, Alex, I couldn't agree more.
40:53And I think, you know, the idea behind this project,
40:59we just want people to encounter the gospel.
41:02And there's lots of different ways to do that.
41:03But I think it's commanded pretty clearly in scripture
41:06that we need to be reaching people for the gospel,
41:08telling people about the good news of Jesus.
41:11And we wait just like your co-host Bert Harper says
41:13all the time, we wanna make much of Jesus.
41:17That's our goal.
41:17We wanna move people one step closer to Jesus.
41:20And apologetics is not a replacement for scripture in any way.
41:25Apologetics is another way to reach skeptics and atheists,
41:31I should say, and people who are just curious for the gospel.
41:35It can be used as a stepping stone to get people to open their Bible
41:39and see what's in God's word.
41:41Cause that's, that's what our ultimate goal is.
41:43But I think also when speaking from experience, and Alex,
41:47I think you would echo this too,
41:49The boldness that apologetics has created in me
41:54because I feel like I know at least a couple of the answers
41:57that people might ask me in these gospel-centered conversations,
42:01I feel like I can engage,
42:03I'm much more willing and able and eager to engage
42:07in conversations with people because of apologetics.
42:11So it's just, it's been a real life change for me.
42:14Amen.
42:15The voice you're hearing is Grant Garwood,
42:17who is really touching many lives with apologetics,
42:20and that thrills my heart.
42:23Dr. Lindsted, let me pose a question to you.
42:26For the pastor or Sunday school teacher,
42:30or church leader, who's never really taught much on prophecy.
42:35Do you have any advice for how churches can begin
42:38to incorporate the biblical prophetic passages
42:42into their messaging and teaching?
42:46Well, I think it's important for people to understand the future.
42:50And the reason I say is because so much of the Bible was written as prophecy.
42:54And so God doesn't want us to be without understanding of it.
42:59But I think the thing to do is to lay it out.
43:01You mentioned John Walford, his book on things to come,
43:04Dwight Pentecost, things to come. Wonderful book.
43:08And so take a topic and say, you know what, for the next three or four weeks,
43:11we're going to study the rapture.
43:13We're going to study the tribulation.
43:15We're going to study to return to Christ.
43:17And don't be in a hurry, but look up passages.
43:22The proof is in the Bible.
43:24It's not in an argument that we have,
43:27but the proof is in the Bible.
43:28And so really, one of the things I like about apologetics,
43:32it's like math and engineering.
43:34There are laws that we have.
43:37And those laws are coded into, let's say,
43:41into the earth, into science.
43:44And in the Bible, God has principles,
43:47He has promises and principles.
43:49And as we begin to lay those out, it begins to make sense.
43:53And here's what I find in my honors Bible class
43:56when I bring students in, I say,
43:59how many of you have heard a sermon
44:02on Bible prophecy in the last year?
44:05Very seldom do I have a child.
44:07Now, 10 years ago, I'd have some,
44:10but now now why?
44:11Well, there's confusion about it.
44:14And so I said, okay, then, then let's take and set your beliefs aside.
44:20Let's just see what does the Bible say.
44:21And so that's how the book that I gave you came about because I try to take six topics
44:26and say, biblically, here's what God's going to accomplish.
44:29Here's the scripture that says it.
44:31And here's how we're going to do it.
44:33And in time and for time, people say, wow, you know what?
44:37The Bible is clear on that.
44:38But we have to put it together in the same with apologetics.
44:42It's not just taking a random thought or a statement, but instead it's saying, okay, what
44:48basis, what worldview do we work from?
44:52And when we have that worldview, then what happens, we find things, questions that are difficult,
44:59they're still difficult, but they can make sense.
45:01We take them a step at a time and we say, here's the bedrock, here's the foundation, it's
45:06God's Word.
45:08I think that's what's missing today. We've left the Bible for sermonettes. I don't people don't want
45:20to hear a whole message. Look, why do we go to an hour church and only spend 10 minutes on the message?
45:31To me, the message ought to be the main thing. And a couple of the churches that I visit when the
45:38the Bibles read, they stand up. What a respect for God's Word. All of a sudden you're saying,
45:44wow, this is what we reverence. So it's not my opinion that matters. It's what God says
45:52in his Word. That's eternal. That's the program. And so I think the idea of apologetics in bringing
45:59in both creation versus evolution, bringing in prophetic things. This is what people want
46:07You know I go to Sam's and I give out books to people and we're shopping. I'm giving out books and and
46:14I tell people he said hey you have any you have any interest in what's going on?
46:19I've never had a person say now I could care less
46:21I'll say yeah exactly what talks about it and yeah, and they're anxious to get it
46:28They are do I have time to tell a little story about about grants book?
46:32Yeah, sure. And by the way, Grant Gar would
46:36wrote a book, Grant, your apologetics book,
46:39where can people find that? Then Dr.
46:42Lindsted, I do want to hear the story.
46:43Sure, yeah. People can find the book on Amazon
46:47and you can buy it paperback and Kindle and it is
46:50actually available on Audible as well.
46:52So you can get it in all different platforms.
46:54You can just type it in on Amazon. It's called
46:57Proof You Can't Ignore and many book of
47:00of evidence for God Jesus in the Bible.
47:03And it's many as in M-I-N-I.
47:05It's a very short condensed book,
47:07but thank you for asking about it.
47:09Exactly. Okay, tell the story, Dr. Lindstedt.
47:12You know, I was at a conference in Canada
47:14and I had a lot of young people there.
47:15And there were some serious questions that people had.
47:18And I love serious questions, not questions for debate,
47:21but questions for, you know, searching.
47:23And, but I had some copies of Grant's book
47:26and I put them on the table and I put a price on them
47:29because I didn't want people just to pick it up and not read it.
47:32But as a result of that, the questions provoked discussion.
47:38And two college-age young people, men came and accepted Christ,
47:43because why?
47:44Because in the course of this, they got answers.
47:47Sometimes the questions that people have,
47:50all you need to do is answer one or two things,
47:52then say, wow, I see that together.
47:54And so I can really endorse the book.
47:57I like it so much.
47:58I'm having my honors Bible class read it
48:01and do a little summary on each of the parts
48:04and then to share it.
48:05You know, it shares something.
48:07These are the things that,
48:09this is how we have to be training our kids in Sunday school.
48:12People like to learn.
48:13Kids love to learn, but what has happened,
48:18we're, I think sometimes we almost stifle their thinking.
48:22Apologetics, the word of God.
48:26Wow, let them look at the hard questions.
48:27It's okay to have a hard question because God gives real answers.
48:31Amen.
48:32You know, Grant, I want to applaud you Saturday night and Alex here, folks, for this, just tuning in.
48:38Grant Garwood and the Honest Questions Project.
48:41We did an event Saturday night and Grant, one thing that was really awesome among the people.
48:47There were lots of young people, lots of teenagers, even some like middle schoolers.
48:53And you had given me a pretty deep topic, one of my favorites actually, the problem of evil.
49:00If God is good, if God is loving, if God is powerful, why is there evil pain and suffering
49:05and sin in the world?
49:07And in about an hour and a half, we did a pretty deep, deep dive on that topic.
49:12Well, I had so many people come up to talk with me at the book table and a lot of six and
49:21seventh graders and I asked so many of these kids at your event grant said did
49:26you enjoy this they were like yeah we loved it did you feel like you could
49:32understand it and they were like yeah and basically they were saying and listen
49:38up pastors and youth leaders they said one young man said if church was like
49:43this I would go there every time the doors open so grant I think you're
49:49you're scratching an itch, my friend.
49:54Well, thank you for sharing that, Alex.
49:55And I think that there's a real hunger for it.
49:58I mean, when I encountered apologetics,
50:01again, from you getting the start from that,
50:03it changed how I approached God's word.
50:06Everything started to fit together
50:08and I felt like there was evidence for it
50:09because I went on my own journey a number of years ago
50:12and I poured through it with hundreds of hours
50:15of research and study to try to figure these things out.
50:18Amen. We're almost out of time. Dr. Robert Lindstud, Sunrise Christian Academy, Grant
50:23Garwood, Honest Questions. Hey, thanks for being with us. We'll visit again soon. In the meantime,
50:27folks, Alex McFarland here saying stay bold, stand strong, speak up, tell somebody about Jesus,
50:34and thank you for listening to the American Family Radio Network.

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