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12. 0:38Hi, Alex McFarland here. Good evening America.
13. 0:41It is a great honor to be with you on the American Family Radio Network.
14. 0:46And I'm sitting in for attorney, pastor, journalist, broadcaster, colleague, and friend,
15. 0:52Abe Hamilton III. And I'm very honored to be sitting in for Abe.
16. 0:56We've got a great show today. I want to talk about some headlines. Already, even though we're only
17. 1:04just under 60 days in, they're talking about Trump's first 100 days. Are things moving too quickly?
18. 1:12Are things moving in the right direction? Are things not moving in the right direction?
19. 1:18Hey, maybe even what about Tesla stock? You're seeing in the news how the cyber trucks and Tesla
20. 1:26charging stations are being vandalized. Isn't it interesting? Isn't it interesting? Just months
21. 1:33ago, Tesla EVs were the darling product of green conscientious left-leaning Americans,
22. 1:44and now they're getting trashed and vandalized. What do you think about that? I want to take
23. 1:49some calls in Midway through the show. We've got a great friend, Christian thinker, Caleb
24. 1:54Collier that will be on with us. But right now I would love to hear from you and we can
25. 2:00talk about the state of the nation. The number is 8589840. Triple 8589840. Now just a little
26. 2:16bit of update. I've got some updates about what's been going on in my world. We were
27. 2:22two and a half weeks ago at National Religious Broadcasters, NRB, and that was a great thing.
28. 2:27I was there broadcasting and there were, you know, a lot of AFA people there and then we
29. 2:33had the privilege of interviewing Eric Mataksas and Dr. Robert Jeffers from First Baptist Dallas
30. 2:40and then people like Eric Mataksas and Jenna Ellis.
31. 2:45It was really, really fun.
32. 2:47And I went from there to Wichita, Kansas.
33. 2:50We had a great event out there.
34. 2:52I was in Indianapolis, Indiana.
35. 2:55And so God is so good.
36. 2:57Let me make you aware, if you don't mind, listen carefully, we have a couple of things we've
37. 3:01got going on, summertime's coming.
38. 3:05And I've got seven youth camps that we do.
39. 3:08We do youth camps every summer.
40. 3:11And they're all over Montana, Georgia.
41. 3:14The website for my youth biblical worldview camps is equipretreat.org.
42. 3:20Equipretreat.org and we'll have about 1,200 teenagers and we have kids get saved every
43. 3:28summer.
44. 3:29I mean that's the main message is believe in Jesus and be saved.
45. 3:32But we talk about citizenship.
46. 3:36All the things we talk about on American Family Radio, we talk about being a citizen and living
47. 3:43for Christ, Salt and Light in the culture.
48. 3:45And let me just say the kids eat it up.
49. 3:49By the way, good news about the increase in Bible sales.
50. 3:54Maybe you've seen this, that the sale of God's Word is going up and the people buying the
51. 4:02Bibles are mostly younger, late teens and 20-somethings.
52. 4:08But our camps are flourishing.
53. 4:12And I guess I would like to believe that after 25 years of doing all these youth camps, you
54. 4:18know, maybe a little bit of the turnaround and the turn away from secularism back to Christianity,
55. 4:27church involvement, family, faith, maybe God's along what we're doing to play a small role
56. 4:34in that.
57. 4:35But here's what I was going to tell you.
58. 4:37We've got a camp in the Richmond area and we've never done this before, but we rented
59. 4:43a camp in an hour from Richmond and we really need to succeed with that camp.
60. 4:51So look on the website if you would equipretreat.org and wherever we are in your part of the USA
61. 4:59come summer.
62. 5:00Well, let's sign up some middle school and high schoolers to go to camp.
63. 5:04The other thing, and then I'm going to go to calls, and we've got a number of people calling
64. 5:10in, AAA, 589, 8840.
65. 5:13I have a speaker series, so we do a lot for the teens.
66. 5:17Well, we've got something for grownups too.
67. 5:20I call this conversations that matter.
68. 5:23Listen very carefully.
69. 5:25Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, number one resort town in America.
70. 5:3017.2 million people a year from all 50 states they go to Myrtle Beach
71. 5:36So there there are music theaters down there kind of like Branson, Missouri, right?
72. 5:41So I've rented theaters and we've got speakers are it May 4th
73. 5:47We have Dinesh, De Sousa amazing brilliant Dinesh served in the Reagan White House
74. 5:54He made some great films like 2000 mules
75. 5:57schools will in person, Dinesh will be there May 4th.
76. 6:02And so the website for all my speakers, August 21, Charlie Kirk.
77. 6:09We just went live with the website this morning.
78. 6:13And it's AlexMcFarlane.com slash conversations.
79. 6:19That's the website, AlexMcFarlane.com slash conversations.
80. 6:24went live with his website this morning and we've already sold 36 tickets for
81. 6:28Charlie Kirk and that's not till August but we really want to start strong so
82. 6:34please if you or anyone you know is in the Myrtle Beach area for May 4th come out
83. 6:42and here Dinesh De Sousa and I've got much more to say about that I've got two
84. 6:46lunches free lunch lunches on me to promote the speaker series I'll tell you
85. 6:52more about that in a little bit right now i want to go to joe in ohio
86. 6:58first caller of the night
87. 6:59the hamilton corner
88. 7:00alex mccarland
89. 7:02joe from ohio welcome to the program
90. 7:06hey uh... mister mccarland thank you for all that you do and uh... filling in
91. 7:10and
92. 7:11yaj i support trump one hundred ten percent of support musk a hundred ten
93. 7:15percent
94. 7:16uh... it should be surprising that the you know the liberals you know from down
95. 7:20the violence you know whether it's in the
96. 7:23you know the riots that you
97. 7:25five hundred fifty six right they had the one summer
98. 7:29or you know that
99. 7:30the violence that the uh...
100. 7:33october seventh attack on israel
101. 7:36but
102. 7:36that that's what they could be they condone and that's what they push and uh...
103. 7:41i just support all of them i mean they they've been attacked everybody know
104. 7:45chompa courses are number one enemy and now it's
105. 7:48it's must but what they did the ironic thing is a lot of times
106. 7:52they are attacking like they're burning down the cities they were burning down
107. 7:56were were liberal-run cities
108. 7:59uh...
109. 8:00by destroying the e-v-e and a lot of the
110. 8:03a lot of the liberals were the ones that purchase the e-v's in the first place
111. 8:06and now
112. 8:08all the liberals that the bot the e-v's and i can be able to charge them because
113. 8:11they're you know damage in their their charging station so it's
114. 8:15kind of running to see the liberals attack the liberals you know just like
115. 8:18Joe Biden was no longer a useful idiot for him.
116. 8:21They threw him under the boss.
117. 8:23So it's typical, but I support all the conservatives.
118. 8:29Cash Patel, you know, he'll then come under attack.
119. 8:33I'm sure Pam Bondi's under attack, Rudy Giuliani.
120. 8:37I mean, go right down the list.
121. 8:38It shouldn't surprise any of us,
122. 8:40but God bless you and what you do
123. 8:42and keep getting the word out.
124. 8:44Well, thank you, thank you, Joe.
125. 8:46God bless you.
126. 8:47You know, well, we're just passionate about truth, passionate about Christ and His Word,
127. 8:52but passionate about this country.
128. 8:54And you make a really good point that the liberals cannibalize each other.
129. 8:58I mean, they really do.
130. 9:00And let me just say this in the big scheme of things.
131. 9:05Very often, the left, they use the tools of liberty to undermine liberty.
132. 9:12Now I think about this, the left is tolerance, tolerance, tolerance.
133. 9:17And yet they would not tolerate the religion of America's founders that gave us a diverse
134. 9:24tolerant America.
135. 9:26Now, there are limits to diversity, but here's the rub.
136. 9:33We have a Judeo-Christian representative republic.
137. 9:38It is not a democracy.
138. 9:40That's mob rule.
139. 9:42Plato wrote the Republic, among other things, 22 centuries ago. It was really a warning against
140. 9:52this pervasive democracy that's really like mob rule. We have basically a Presbyterian form
141. 10:01of government. In the Presbyterian Church, the members appoint elders and the elders in a conscientious
142. 10:09way represent the constituents. Well, that's what our Congress and House are like. It's
143. 10:17a representative republic. But here's what the left is doing. And many of them, they don't
144. 10:23realize this, but they are contributing to really a perpetual state of unrest, turmoil,
145. 10:33anarchy. And that is straight out of the playbook of Marxism.
146. 10:37We're going to talk more about that using the tools of freedom to dismantle freedom.
147. 10:44We can't let that go unchecked.
148. 10:47Let's go to Victor from Louisiana.
149. 10:49Victor, thanks for holding.
150. 10:51Welcome to the Hamilton Corner with your grateful host, Alex McFarland.
151. 10:57Hello, Alex.
152. 10:59How are you today?
153. 11:00I'm glad to hear from you.
154. 11:03Okay, okay. Well, Elisra, I'm you ask about the state
155. 11:07Of America today, and I just had a quick little statement
156. 11:12The Bible tells us that
157. 11:14that to
158. 11:16If we gain the to gain the whole world or what does the Prophet or man
159. 11:22to gain the whole world and lose his soul and
160. 11:26I think that as the election was was was coming and now has gone, you know
161. 11:32we may be losing some things financially and we have to work around that. But I believe that
162. 11:40if we would have lost this election, meaning that if the Democrats would have won the election,
163. 11:47our nation would be losing its soul with all the craziness that they were pushing. And I just want
164. 11:54to tell people, let's keep our hands tied with God, let's make sure our faith is in him and not
165. 12:02a man but then God and then allow God to to to continue to move with America. You know the Bible
166. 12:09tells us that God sets up kings and puts down kings. So we have to go along with what God is doing
167. 12:16and and and and you know pray for our leaders and do what we have to do but I believe our nation
168. 12:22was morally saved with our last election and that's all I want to say. What Will said you know you
169. 12:28quote the verse from Mark 8, I think it's Mark 836, about what does it profit a man
170. 12:36to gain the whole world but lose his soul. Isn't that funny? Now folks think about this.
171. 12:43Several years ago at one of the Democrat conventions, God was booed, they booed God, and there's
172. 12:49just been the imposition and the advocacy for so many things that besides being bad economics
173. 12:56economics and bad government. I mean so much of what the the militant woke left has stood for is just ungodly and
174. 13:05Look I get it. My home is heaven. My King is Jesus, but thank God
175. 13:11Thank God that this election did not go to
176. 13:16Tim Walz and Kamala Harris because I can promise you
177. 13:19Kamala Harris would not have been acting president and Tim Walz would not have been vice president
178. 13:27Basically, the Biden, I firmly believe, and I've got this from pretty good sources that
179. 13:34Biden's presidency was really Barack Obama's third term, de facto, and Kamala would have
180. 13:42been his fourth.
181. 13:44Now one of my favorite quotes from January 20th Trump's inauguration speech, my favorite
182. 13:51line of that speech. Trump said, quote, I want Congress to pass a bill permanently banning
183. 13:58and criminalizing sex changes on children and forever ending the lie that any child is trapped
184. 14:04in the wrong body. This is a big lie and our message to every child in America is that
185. 14:09you are perfect. Exactly the way God made you end of quote. Thank God. Thank God that truth,
186. 14:18morality, courage, and constitutionalism is coming back to our nation.
187. 14:24It's not going to be a smooth ride.
188. 14:26It's a rough ride, but we've got to be brave and bold and speak truth and pray.
189. 14:31Well, we've got to break.
190. 14:32We're going to come back more calls, more content on this edition of the Hamilton Corner
191. 14:37with Alex McFarland on the American Family Radio Network.
192. 14:41Stay tuned.
193. 14:42We're back with more after this.
194. 15:09a discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
195. 15:12Psalm 23, beginning at verse one.
196. 15:16The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not want.
197. 15:20He makes me to lie down in green pastures.
198. 15:24He leads me beside the still waters he restores my soul.
199. 15:29He leads me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.
200. 15:33Yea, do I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
201. 15:37I will fear no evil for you are with me.
202. 15:41You're riding your staff, they comfort me.
203. 15:44You prepare a table before me
204. 15:46in the presence of my enemies.
205. 15:49You anoint my head with oil, my cup runs over.
206. 15:53Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me
207. 15:56all the days of my life.
208. 15:59And I will dwell in the house of the Lord forever.
209. 16:03All of Psalm 23.
210. 16:09Hi, this is Jim Scudder for today's Moment in Grace.
211. 16:12Imagine trekking through a desert,
212. 16:14parched and weary, with no end in sight.
213. 16:18Then someone offers you a tall, ice cold glass of lemonade.
214. 16:23That first sip would be pure refreshment.
215. 16:28Life often feels like a desert,
216. 16:30burned out by news of wars, disasters, and darkness.
217. 16:35We wonder if things will ever improve,
218. 16:38But God doesn't want us to crawl through life parched.
219. 16:42Staying close to Him through prayer,
220. 16:44His word and fellowship refreshes our souls.
221. 16:48As the hymn says,
222. 16:49Turn your eyes upon Jesus,
223. 16:52and the things of earth will grow strangely dim
224. 16:55in the light of His glory and grace.
225. 16:58No matter how troubled the world feels,
226. 17:02refreshment is always within reach.
227. 17:04Look to Jesus and be renewed.
228. 17:13Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio
229. 17:21Welcome back to the program. We're talking about news of the day from a biblical perspective Alex McFarland here
230. 17:28Hey, we're I'm very excited in just a few moments. I'll bring to the mic Caleb
231. 17:32Collier colleague and friend and journalist, but you know before the break I was talking about how the left
232. 17:38uses the tools of a constitutional free republic, but they do things that
233. 17:46undermine constitutionalism and freedom. And you know regarding things like the
234. 17:54you know the gay marriage that so many churches are going woke these days, you
235. 18:00know June 26 2015, the Obergefell versus Hodges landmark decision. You know it's
236. 18:07You know, so wild is. That was a five to four Supreme Court decision. And I was just
237. 18:14on a show yesterday and I was being asked about, you know, why evangelical Christians
238. 18:19would oppose gay marriage? And they said, you know, you don't have the right to cram your
239. 18:26Bible beliefs down everybody's throat. Well, set aside the Bible for a moment, if you would.
240. 18:33And obviously, I believe the Bible and the Bible is the holy word of God.
241. 18:37But gay marriage allegedly trans rights and just forcing the average citizen to agree with
242. 18:50things that they find morally abhorrent and factually incorrect.
243. 18:56It's unconstitutional because our Constitution affirms what is called natural law.
244. 19:03And we have natural rights based on natural law.
245. 19:07Now, when Jefferson talked about these enumerated rights of the citizen
246. 19:13and the founders talked about the enumerated rights of the government,
247. 19:18you don't have artificial rights, contrived rights,
248. 19:23beyond the rights promised by the Declaration and Constitution.
249. 19:28Okay, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, right?
250. 19:32Okay, we have legal protection for the unborn because one of the inalienable rights is the right to life.
251. 19:42That's why when I'm in front of a secular group, I argue my pro-life position as my friend,
252. 19:49my friend, the late atheist Christopher Hitchens, he was not a Christian, sadly, but he was an
253. 19:54ardent pro-lifer because he said, look, you have the legal protection, the guaranteed right
254. 20:02to life. And there's no legitimate reason that a subset of the citizenry should be selectively
255. 20:11piecemeal at loss of one of their rights. Now when it comes to the quote unquote right
256. 20:20for gay marriage, the quote unquote right that a cake baker should be forced to do a cake
257. 20:28for a gay wedding, the alleged right for children to be placed in same sex homes, those are not
258. 20:36Those are not natural rights.
259. 20:39Those might be well argued, sophisticatedly marketed,
260. 20:45special rights, artificial rights, contrived rights.
261. 20:50But our Constitution is based on natural law,
262. 20:54and therefore you are protected with your natural rights,
263. 20:59rights that are applicable for all citizens.
264. 21:02Life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness,
265. 21:05That's applicable to all people.
266. 21:08The right for your chosen pronoun and a male
267. 21:14The whole rest of the world must be legally coerced to call a male a female
268. 21:20That's not a right that a person can claim and that's not an
269. 21:27Obligation that the rest of us should be forced to shoulder well, we're gonna talk more about this with my friend Caleb Collier
270. 21:33Thank you for holding.
271. 21:35And thanks for being with us today.
272. 21:37Caleb, where are you patching in from today?
273. 21:40Today you're fine.
274. 21:41My name is...
275. 21:42I am in my beautiful home out in the country in Spokane, Washington.
276. 21:48Spokane, Washington.
277. 21:50How is the political landscape in the Upper Northwest?
278. 21:53Well, we affectionately refer to this as the Left Coast.
279. 21:57And yeah, I feel like Washington, Oregon, and California are in a constant competition
280. 22:02to outdo themselves with their leftist policies.
281. 22:05And oftentimes I'll refer to Washington State as kind of the little brother of California
282. 22:09kind of looking up to California and hey you're going to do that.
283. 22:11Alright I'm going to do that too.
284. 22:14And seeing maybe who can out liberal the other?
285. 22:17Yeah, it certainly happens.
286. 22:20We're currently fighting a number of really bad bills in Olympia.
287. 22:24They're even potentially looking at giving the legislative body the ability to remove constitutionally
288. 22:32elected sheriffs. So yeah, it's a fight out here.
289. 22:36I've got so many things I want to ask you and listeners maybe you've got a
290. 22:40question or you want to weigh in on this politically infused broadcast as
291. 22:45well but Caleb before we go too much farther tell everybody about the church
292. 22:49and state broadcast and I know you're soon to be if you're not already on NRB
293. 22:56television congratulations on that but tell us about church and state.
294. 23:00Yeah, thank you. In fact, we are on the NRB-TV network.
295. 23:05Been so for about a week now.
296. 23:08They can find us at East Coast Time, 430 there.
297. 23:12But it's a half hour broadcast.
298. 23:14I'm a former politician, I'm a Marine veteran, former EMT as well.
299. 23:20And I've worked for a number of different political organizations.
300. 23:23So I'm tackling the church and state and refuting the old mindset of there.
301. 23:29needs to be a separation between the two.
302. 23:32Were you always political, conservative,
303. 23:36or did you come to this position, as did many of us?
304. 23:39You know, I grew up listening to Rush Limbaugh,
305. 23:43you know, the great one.
306. 23:44And I'd say I was probably always conservative leaning
307. 23:48back in high school and even in the Marine Corps.
308. 23:52You know, I didn't necessarily care much about politics,
309. 23:55but I served in the Marine Corps during 9-11.
310. 23:59And watching those planes hit the towers
311. 24:02was really a wake up call for me.
312. 24:05Well, yeah, it was for me as well.
313. 24:08It was for me as well.
314. 24:09And you know, folks, let me say this,
315. 24:13the time that we need to stir our patriotic sensibilities
316. 24:19is before a crisis happens.
317. 24:22I mean, really, 9-11 moved a lot of people
318. 24:27toward patriotism, I think, you know, Caleb, I think that the lockdowns and the quarantines
319. 24:33and the vaccine mandate alerted a lot of people to government overreach.
320. 24:39But don't you think it's important to, Jay of K said this, I love this, John F. Kennedy
321. 24:45said the time to repair the roof is while the sun is shining.
322. 24:50Now wouldn't it be better folks for us to lean in close to the Lord, learn about our nation,
323. 24:57and teach patriotism to our kids.
324. 25:00Let's stand up for God and country
325. 25:02while we have an opportunity,
326. 25:05rather than before the crisis threatens our very future.
327. 25:11I completely agree, Alex, on that one.
328. 25:13And I loved, I was listening in a little bit
329. 25:16on what you were talking about with natural law.
330. 25:18And I loved that.
331. 25:20And one of the things that I really push my audience for
332. 25:24is to stop allowing government or the state
333. 25:27to infringe upon rights that aren't really theirs
334. 25:30or the authority that it'll have.
335. 25:32And so in regards to what you were talking about
336. 25:34with gay marriage, the solution is pretty simple.
337. 25:38It's the free market.
338. 25:39And if we really examine who instituted marriage,
339. 25:43well, we know it's God as Christians,
340. 25:45God instituted marriage.
341. 25:46That's not a state authority.
342. 25:48It's the church's authority.
343. 25:49And so if we throw that to the free market
344. 25:52and we allow churches to determine
345. 25:54who they're going to marry,
346. 25:55Well sure, you might have some outliers,
347. 25:57some within the woke church that are marrying homosexuals,
348. 26:00and on the other end,
349. 26:02those who actually abide by what God said, they won't.
350. 26:05And the people then will get to dictate
351. 26:08which church they're going to support.
352. 26:09And I have a theory on that.
353. 26:11I believe that most Christians
354. 26:12are gonna side with the word of God.
355. 26:14Yeah.
356. 26:15Oh, absolutely, absolutely.
357. 26:18And you know, the rise of homosexual activity
358. 26:23and the call, the push for gay marriage, and sadly,
359. 26:27there's some woke churches that have really caved
360. 26:30on what the Bible says.
361. 26:31Besides, I mean, what the Bible says,
362. 26:35but there's just what is really known
363. 26:39and promised by natural law.
364. 26:42Let me just say this, it's been the breakdown of the family
365. 26:46for the last 50 years.
366. 26:48It's been the sexualizing of the culture, the permissiveness.
367. 26:52Since 1966, folks, there was a man named Joseph Fletcher,
368. 26:56and he wrote a book called Situation Ethics,
369. 26:59The New Morality, and Situation Ethics, there were others.
370. 27:04But there were a lot of theologians and philosophers
371. 27:08that after World War II, they were believing that,
372. 27:14morality is relative, not absolute.
373. 27:19life is whatever you want it to be, not what the call of God and the rule of law might
374. 27:28say that we ought to observe. And so that's why Caleb, the 60s, and I know you do a lot of study,
375. 27:36I've done a lot of studies, well I truly think the 60s were the most pivotal decade because
376. 27:43I mean, you think about it, when the 60s began, you know, Lucy and Ricky were on TV and they
377. 27:49couldn't even say the word pregnant.
378. 27:52When the 60s ended, by 1970, it was the Woodstock Generation, there was the Drug Revolution, the
379. 27:58Sexual Revolution, the breakdown of the family.
380. 28:02There was the rise of feminism and sex outside of marriage.
381. 28:091973 legal protection for the unborn was removed.
382. 28:13Here's my point.
383. 28:14Don't you really believe that we're kind of rebuilding
384. 28:18after many foundations that were destroyed in the 60s.
385. 28:25And yet for five decades,
386. 28:27the culture has been sort of adrift.
387. 28:29What you and I are doing,
388. 28:30and we're calling on everybody to carefully participate in,
389. 28:34is frankly rebuilding foundations,
390. 28:37the destruction of which was initiated decades ago.
391. 28:43I am right there with you.
392. 28:46I was born until 78,
393. 28:48so I had an experience in the 60s,
394. 28:50but my parents were part of that.
395. 28:52My dad most certainly engaged in the hippie culture.
396. 28:56And it really shouldn't surprise us.
397. 28:57The Marxists had begun this plan
398. 29:00prior to the 60s and they infiltrated all of the systems,
399. 29:04the education system, the religious system,
400. 29:06the political system,
401. 29:07And they brought about these changes.
402. 29:10I mean, it's why every single despot throughout history
403. 29:13has always targeted the youth.
404. 29:15And if you down me on that, you can look at Hitler,
405. 29:17you can look at Stalin, you can look at Mao,
406. 29:19all of them targeted the youth to bring about their
407. 29:22cultural revolutions.
408. 29:24And so yes, I do agree with you, Alex.
409. 29:26I see there was a pivot.
410. 29:29I think you brought up COVID before.
411. 29:31I think COVID may have been a bridge too far for Americans,
412. 29:34that they woke up and realized
413. 29:36and they were witnessing the police state that had been built around them.
414. 29:40And I think collectively we kind of said no, not again.
415. 29:44And I hope we can hold on to that.
416. 29:46I'm praying that we can hold on to that, that if tyranny raises its ugly head,
417. 29:51whether it be a medical crisis, I mean, they famously said,
418. 29:55never let a good crisis go to waste.
419. 29:57So whatever the crisis may come, I hope that we as Americans band together and say,
420. 30:02no, we're standing for what is true and what is right.
421. 30:04Indeed, folks, if you're just tuning in, Alex McFarland, here the voice you're hearing is
422. 30:10my colleague and friend Caleb Collier of the church and state broadcast. Before a break,
423. 30:17we've got time for a call. Let's go to Dennis from Missouri. Dennis, thanks for holding.
424. 30:24Dennis, welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
425. 30:28Thank you for taking my call and God bless you, Mr. McFarland, for all that you do. I love
426. 30:33you guys and you and Bert and congratulations on your guests. My question may seem a little
427. 30:39strange but I'm kind of wondering with the way things are going from a liberal perspective
428. 30:44because your guests since you feel that California or gonna worship and never try to succeed from the
429. 30:50union. Wow great question. Caleb the Left Coast might there be an attempt at secession?
430. 31:00This is an idea that's been floated for quite some time, both from the left and the right,
431. 31:06and there's been some talk of a national divorce.
432. 31:09I got to tell you, Alex, if there is one, I'm heading down to your area.
433. 31:13The South is, you know, there might be something said for the South Shore rise again.
434. 31:17I don't necessarily see this as something that is going to work.
435. 31:21I don't think they're going to allow the United States to split.
436. 31:24And in fact, I'm kind of watching with great interest, the United Nations and the World
437. 31:29economic forum with their plan to create these 10 regions, the 10 regions plan, which sounds
438. 31:35really similar to Revelation. But their idea, their concept right now is to merge the United
439. 31:41States with Canada, oh, and with Greenland, where have we heard that in the local news lately?
440. 31:47Yeah, well, you're right about that. And thank you for the call, Dennis. You know, I pray America
441. 31:55doesn't break up.
442. 31:57I know that it's said that Texas has the right to secede.
443. 32:02I've actually had people say that they don't.
444. 32:05I don't know about that.
445. 32:06But I really do think that it would be tragic if America
446. 32:10broke apart.
447. 32:11Because think about this, folks.
448. 32:12When Jefferson had the Louisiana purchase,
449. 32:16and that bridge of land from the Gulf of America
450. 32:21to the Canadian border, really that middle portion
451. 32:25of the nation. I think the Louisiana purchase was like $13 million, which at the time, I
452. 32:31mean some in Congress just vilified Jefferson for negotiating that. And Napoleon was vilified.
453. 32:39And France said he didn't have the authority to be a part of that deal. But here's the thing,
454. 32:44manifest destiny. And let me invoke this in K. LeBion and I, maybe after the break we can
455. 32:48talk about American exceptionalism. But we were able to go from sea to shining sea because
456. 32:55of the unity of this continent.
457. 32:58And I think, and I pray for the redemption of California
458. 33:03and the blue states, but I think it would be tragic
459. 33:07if America broke into fragments.
460. 33:09What do you say, Caleb?
461. 33:12I agree with your mindset on that.
462. 33:15When the conservatives are talking about this,
463. 33:18they have some good talking points and it sounds attractive,
464. 33:21but the reality is America is a great country.
465. 33:26And yes, do we have some problems?
466. 33:27And are there some very problematic states within the country?
467. 33:32Absolutely.
468. 33:33But it would be a shame to let all that go to waste.
469. 33:36What our Founding Fathers built, this beautiful republic,
470. 33:40and all of the rights of the states.
471. 33:42So no, I'm not in agreement that we should latch onto this idea.
472. 33:48Yeah.
473. 33:48Hey, hang on folks, got a brief break.
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491. 35:15Welcome back to the program.
492. 35:17Alex McFarland here with Caleb Collier of the Church and State broadcast.
493. 35:22And I want to get back to that.
494. 35:24Let me say Caleb is going to be with us in September.
495. 35:28I mentioned we've got this speaker series that, listen, we're really excited about.
496. 35:33We are so passionate and part of the reason I'm taking a little time to mention the speaker series look nobody's making any money off of this
497. 35:40We're doing this for God in country
498. 35:43If you go to the website Alex McFarland calm slash conversations, okay, I may fourth we've got Dinesh D'Souza
499. 35:52Then June 15 we've got dr. Gary Chapman and we're gonna be talking about the future of the American family
500. 35:58He wrote the five love languages. Just one of the greatest books
501. 36:02every husband you need to read Gary Chapman's book, The Five Love Languages. Then
502. 36:07Thursday night, August 21, Charlie Kirk and what a great day that will be. And then
503. 36:14in September we've got Lauren Green of Fox News. She's amazing. She is just one of
504. 36:20the great journalists of our day and a Christian. And in that one, I believe it's
505. 36:27September 15, we're going to have a roundtable about the future of the church
506. 36:31in America and Caleb Collier will be a part of our panel that night there in
507. 36:37Myrtle Beach. So if you would please pray, promote plan to attend, but here's the
508. 36:43thing if you happen to be around Myrtle Beach. Okay I know right now we're being
509. 36:49heard in Wilmington, Dillon, Florence, Myrtle Beach, Conway, Charleston all around
510. 36:54that region. Okay listen to this. I know I'm throwing a lot at you but just hang
511. 36:59with me. On Wednesday, March 26 and Thursday, March 27, I'm buying you lunch people. We're
512. 37:09having two free lunches to promote the speaker series. Now, one is in North Myrtle right
513. 37:15there near the Alabama Theatre where we're having Charlie Kirk and one is in South Myrtle. If
514. 37:21you want to come to lunch and I'll give you one of my books, I'll feed you really good.
515. 37:27email us info at alexmickfarlane.com.
516. 37:31I-N-F-O, info at alexmickfarlane.com, March 26th, March 27th, and these are lunches where
517. 37:40we're going to give you info about the speaker series and we're going to ask you to tell your
518. 37:44friends you want to understand politics, come and hear and meet Dinesh D'Souza.
519. 37:50You want to learn about building a great family?
520. 37:53Come here, Gary Chapman.
521. 37:54You want to be excited about the saving of our nation come and see and hear Charlie Kirk.
522. 37:59You want to learn about what the importance of the church come in here, Lauren Green and
523. 38:04Caleb Collier.
524. 38:05Okay, enough about that.
525. 38:07We got a lot of great stuff going on.
526. 38:09I see some calls that we'll get to.
527. 38:11But Caleb, tell us about the church and state broadcast and where people can keep up with
528. 38:17the great work you're doing for this country.
529. 38:20Yeah, thank you for that.
530. 38:21Our website is churchandstate.media.
531. 38:23You can go to that website.
532. 38:25We have all of our shows.
533. 38:27You can also find us on Rumble, church and state 1776.
534. 38:30And of course on the NRV TV network where we air on the East Coast there at 430 Tuesday
535. 38:36through Fridays.
536. 38:38So please check us out.
537. 38:39And I'll be honest with you, ladies and gentlemen, I'm a controversial host and I am genuinely
538. 38:44curious and we'll talk about anything.
539. 38:46Well, sometimes the truth is controversial, but you're a great voice and I learned from
540. 38:53listening to you Caleb.
541. 38:54I'll tell you what we're going to do right now.
542. 38:56We're going to go to Barb in Colorado.
543. 39:00Barb in Colorado, welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
544. 39:04All right.
545. 39:05Thanks, Alex.
546. 39:07My question is, do you see the New World Agenda moving forward?
547. 39:11Oh, wow.
548. 39:13Hey, is this Barb Reich in Colorado?
549. 39:17God bless you. Okay. Now hang tight. Now Barb, thank you for listening. Thank you for calling.
550. 39:23I've got to throw it to you Barb. Tell us about the illustrious career of your daughter Rachel,
551. 39:32because she does work with Eric Metaxas.
552. 39:35Yeah, she actually produced co-produced and directed a letter to the American church.
553. 39:43She's an extremely talented producer, I have to say.
554. 39:49And the film was shown all over the country at thousands of churches before the election,
555. 39:56because that was their main goal, is to get it out there before the election so that the
556. 40:00church would wake up and hopefully in which they did they voted for the right person.
557. 40:08So, yeah, she's, now she has her own production company in California with her co-producer Simone,
558. 40:16and they're working on a couple of projects.
559. 40:20You know, Barb, that's got to be very meaningful to you.
560. 40:23I mean, that book and documentary, Letter to the American Church, Eric Metaxas, and either
561. 40:30privilege of interviewing your daughter, I mean, she helped move the needle, didn't she?
562. 40:35Yes, yes, she did.
563. 40:37Yes, she was very passionate, extremely passionate about it.
564. 40:42So she did really well.
565. 40:43She worked very, very hard and had a lot of things come against her,
566. 40:48but she pushed through and it happened.
567. 40:52So I'm very, very proud of her.
568. 40:54Well, if you would repeat your question for Caleb and myself about
569. 41:01new world.
570. 41:02Do you see? Yeah.
571. 41:03Do you see the new world agenda moving forward?
572. 41:07Wow.
573. 41:08you know, Caleb, you and I were talking about the regions and, you know, geopolitical boundaries.
574. 41:15Speak to this if you wouldn't. And I have a follow-up question.
575. 41:19Yeah, that's a great question, Barb. And let me just say this as well.
576. 41:25Every person listening to this should go and buy two copies of the letter to the American
577. 41:29Church, one for yourself and one for your pastor. I know when I read it, I turned around and reread
578. 41:34it's that good of a book. So, hats off to your daughter for being a part of that. To answer your
579. 41:40question, yes, in short, yes, I do see the New World Order agenda moving forward. You know, I hope
580. 41:50and pray that there are people in the Trump administration that can lead him a little bit more
581. 41:56towards the Christian doctrine, towards what we believe and what we see in the book of Revelation
582. 42:01specifically. But you know, he's in meetings, he's calling
583. 42:07Klaus Schwab a great guy. He's pushing for this North American
584. 42:12merging of Canada becoming the 51st state and buying Greenland,
585. 42:16which is part of their 10 regions plan. Elon Musk, obviously, we
586. 42:22didn't vote for but has a lot of authority now within the United
587. 42:25States government. He's a transhumanist, he wants to put
588. 42:28chips in our brains with the bricks nations and working towards this central bank digital
589. 42:35currency. There's a lot of things that are in play here right now that are all pushing
590. 42:41towards that bee system that's described in the book of Revelation.
591. 42:46Yeah, and let me just say this. There are no things that necessarily have to take place
592. 42:54before the rapture. I believe the next event on world history is the rapture after which
593. 43:02will come a seven-year tribulation and a battle of Armageddon. And Caleb, when I read in the
594. 43:08book of Revelation about no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast, either
595. 43:14the hand or the forehead. I mean, my goodness, the planet is so wired up and it's basically
596. 43:23a global surveillance state right now, even. And you know, you and I haven't talked about
597. 43:30this, but all of these drones flying over. And you know, just back during the election,
598. 43:37there were drones over New Jersey and all over the country. I mean, we see things in the
599. 43:42nighttime sky that just weren't there before. This world could be under this Marxist atheistic
600. 43:52dystopian police state like very, very, was shocking speed, couldn't it?
601. 43:59Oh, I think we're already there. I mean, we had a story that I read about in China where
602. 44:05they took an individual and they gave him 24 hours to go and hide in Beijing. And then
603. 44:11they were going to release the police state on him, the surveillance state. They found
604. 44:15that man in seven minutes. That's how good the surveillance system is. Now, granted, that's
605. 44:20and communist China.
606. 44:21But we all carry these phones around with us.
607. 44:23We're so involved with tech these days
608. 44:26that truly nothing we do or say is ever really private anymore.
609. 44:31And yeah, I mean, with the drones,
610. 44:33I mean, there's still a lot of mystery there.
611. 44:35Are they drones?
612. 44:36I mean, alien aircraft now, personally, Alex,
613. 44:39I believe that anytime anybody's having an encounter
614. 44:41with an alien, they're dealing with a demon.
615. 44:44I do.
616. 44:45Yeah, I do.
617. 44:46But yeah, I mean, you got CERN out here,
618. 44:48they're trying to literally said, I don't know if you saw the opening ceremonies with
619. 44:52Cernan, Switzerland, one of the most demonic things you could possibly ever imagine. But
620. 44:57they said they're trying to break through into a portal, once again reminiscent of what's
621. 45:02talked about in Revelation with the keys to be abyss.
622. 45:06Yeah, and I mean that's why we say, look folks, have your house in order. No Christ, I hope
623. 45:13your family and your kids know the Lord. Listen, I love life and I'm planning if God
624. 45:20allows to be preaching when I'm a hundred years old if Christ hasn't come back yet.
625. 45:26But where we are Caleb, I look to the eastern sky any day now. I think we could
626. 45:33see the return of Jesus really. We're gonna go to K in Kansas. K are you still
627. 45:39holding Kay are you there? Can you hear me okay? We can welcome. Okay, I'm sorry you're on I had you on
628. 45:48speakerphone I'm cooking dinner so anyway just taking a little pause here but I thank you Alex and
629. 45:56I think is it Kayla there? Thank you for your ministries I just so appreciate it I do have to say I'm not a
630. 46:06pre-trib rapture believer because of John 6 and the 4th statement, Sarah, the Lord says,
631. 46:12about the last day. And we know that in all of it, discourse, he's going to shorten that
632. 46:18great tribulation. We don't know how much. But here's what I want to say. No matter what
633. 46:24happens, I love what you're talking about. I love that you are addressing this because
634. 46:30It's not getting addressed enough, I don't think.
635. 46:33But I think our biggest national crisis is the lack,
636. 46:38and this sounds odd coming from a woman,
637. 46:40so please forgive me.
638. 46:43But that Christian men are not running for office.
639. 46:48And we also need our churches to be healthy.
640. 46:53We need healthy churches, God-fearing men,
641. 46:57to go out to other churches that are unhealthy,
642. 47:01because we carry the gospel,
643. 47:03which we need to do that too.
644. 47:06But where are the people gonna go to church?
645. 47:09You know, we need to get our churches healthy,
646. 47:11but here's a quote from, I read just real quick
647. 47:15and then I'm done, from Matthew Henry's commentary.
648. 47:20And I think it was when I was reading through Jeremiah
649. 47:23that he said this, and he said,
650. 47:26and it's just stuck with me.
651. 47:28He said, if God's people ill use a reprieve
652. 47:33they've been given, they are saving up for a worse judgment.
653. 47:39It's an all hands on deck time.
654. 47:41And thank you for taking my call.
655. 47:43Thank you so much.
656. 47:43And God bless you, men.
657. 47:45God bless you.
658. 47:46Wow.
659. 47:47Comments.
660. 47:48What a great call.
661. 47:49Thank you so much.
662. 47:50Caleb, what do you say?
663. 47:52Yeah.
664. 47:53I hate to disagree with you ever, Alex.
665. 47:55but I'm actually in K's camp there.
666. 47:56I'm not a pre-trib Rapture guy myself.
667. 47:59I point more towards a mid-tribulation,
668. 48:03specifically more of that seventh trumpet Rapture idea.
669. 48:07So I do think we're gonna see some of these things
670. 48:09that we're gonna have to live through that.
671. 48:11But regardless, and obviously this is a secondary issue,
672. 48:15it's not a salvation issue.
673. 48:16I wanna see people's hearts being right with the Lord
674. 48:19regardless of where you feel,
675. 48:21you're gonna go through some of it,
676. 48:22you're not going to go through some of it.
677. 48:25But yeah, no, I agree with so much of what Kay was saying.
678. 48:28And I'll give a little teaser, Alex.
679. 48:32Talking about the state of the church,
680. 48:33men's role within the church
681. 48:35and within the political theater as well.
682. 48:37That's something we're gonna hit hard in Myrtle Beach there.
683. 48:40Talking about the state of the church.
684. 48:42Exactly.
685. 48:43And folks, the point of orthodoxy
686. 48:46on which all Christians agree is that the Lord Jesus
687. 48:48is coming back and Jesus will literally return
688. 48:52and until he does we need to occupy and be salt and light.
689. 48:55And I'm gonna say it like my mentor, Josh McDowell says it,
690. 48:59I'm on my way to heaven and I wanna take as many people
691. 49:02with me as I can.
692. 49:03Hey, time fleets away, but I'm gonna see if we can get
693. 49:05Michael from Arkansas.
694. 49:07Hey, Michael, are you there?
695. 49:09Yes, I'm still here, I think.
696. 49:12Yeah, welcome.
697. 49:13Quickly, if you don't mind, but thank you for holding.
698. 49:15What you got, Michael?
699. 49:17Yes, it is just a comment on how sometimes we tend to,
700. 49:22and it's not all the secular systems and mechanisms
701. 49:26in which the church has been absorbed in the beginning,
702. 49:30including a lot of the great concepts
703. 49:32on how to organize ourselves.
704. 49:34And it seems today that sometimes we get caught
705. 49:37into this two-side battle of communism and capitalism.
706. 49:42And sometimes when I see from the side of the world
707. 49:46just a normal worker, I do music sometimes.
708. 49:51And hey, forgive me.
709. 49:52I beg your forgiveness, Michael.
710. 49:54I'm sorry to jump in.
711. 49:55We're almost out of time.
712. 49:57Hey, you know what?
713. 49:58We're in the world.
714. 50:00We're making a difference.
715. 50:01We know our home is in heaven.
716. 50:03I've said it many times, like Augustine would have said 1600
717. 50:06years ago, till we're in the city of God.
718. 50:09We have an obligation to the city of man.
719. 50:12Caleb Collier, you're amazing.
720. 50:14I appreciate your insight so much.
721. 50:16What's next for you?
722. 50:17Are you on tour?
723. 50:18Are you speaking somewhere?
724. 50:20No, just really focusing on the NRV TV network, really building that up and got a lot of great guests coming on.
725. 50:27So stay tuned for that. But yeah, please to the audience here go check out church and state.media
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