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11. 0:33Welcome to a very special edition of the Hamilton Corner.
12. 0:36Alex McFarland here, so honor that you're listening.
13. 0:39And we've got a great show.
14. 0:41I'm still celebrating July 4th in my heart.
15. 0:45And in that spirit, we're going to talk with a very dear friend
16. 0:48of ours, historian, prolific author, Bill Federer.
17. 0:51But I do welcome you to the program.
18. 0:53And as we begin the program today, I'm
19. 0:57like myself, your hearts are heavy over the tragedy of the flood in Texas as the
20. 1:03Guadalupe River just spread and really the world is watching coverage about camp
21. 1:10mystic and you know I'm told that all over Texas not well they're in central Texas
22. 1:16not just the camp but the body count may be as high as 150 fatalities due to that
23. 1:24flood. And so yesterday on exploring the word we had a listener on from San
24. 1:31Angelo, Texas, where there was flooding in the downtown of San Angelo. And it was
25. 1:36said that even a house was floating through the downtown of San Angelo. But
26. 1:41we had a listener give us some testimony kind of from boots on the ground near
27. 1:48Camp Mystic. And of course there are others that have died. Samaritan's Purse
28. 1:52on the ground there, Franklin Graham and Samaritan's Purse,
29. 1:56and other great relief organizations are on their way.
30. 2:00So I want to encourage you from the get-go
31. 2:01to please be in prayer for Texas
32. 2:05and the tragedy there, the loss of life.
33. 2:09But even in the midst of suffering,
34. 2:11there's a lot to be thankful for.
35. 2:13Over the weekend, I had the privilege
36. 2:15of giving a brand new message
37. 2:18that I titled Seven Reasons Christians
38. 2:22should be grateful for the United States of America.
39. 2:25I wanna get into some of those reasons,
40. 2:27but just to talk with us about news of the day
41. 2:31and probably some history as well,
42. 2:33our longtime friend and colleague,
43. 2:36very valued thinker and biblical worldview voice,
44. 2:41William J. Bill-
45. 2:43Bill-
46. 2:43Bill-
47. 2:44Welcome to the program Bill.
48. 2:46Alex, great to be with you.
49. 2:48Oh, it's great to be with you.
50. 2:49And good, we've got the audio set up right.
51. 2:54Hey, before I pick your brain on a number of subjects,
52. 2:57Bill, I want you to give your website
53. 3:00and the American Minute and how people can follow
54. 3:02the great research that you do.
55. 3:05Sure, it's americanminute.com.
56. 3:08Americanminute.com.
57. 3:10And I have emails, daily emails on history,
58. 3:13and I archive them there.
59. 3:16And then I have an entire collection of American quotations.
60. 3:19So it's my big fat book.
61. 3:22It's my best sellers called America's
62. 3:23God and Country Encyclopedia quotations.
63. 3:25And we put them searchable online at the website americanminute.com.
64. 3:30And that's a great book.
65. 3:31I love that book.
66. 3:33And we use it regularly.
67. 3:35My wife and I will read that book for pleasure reading.
68. 3:40And I've had that book for 20 years.
69. 3:42You know, I've got to ask you, when
70. 3:43You put together the big encyclopedia and there are a number of other great books you've
71. 3:48written.
72. 3:49But how many, how much proofreading did you guys have to do for all those footnotes?
73. 3:55I mean there are hundreds of endnotes and footnotes and great, great quotations.
74. 4:02Was the proofreading almost as lengthy as the research itself?
75. 4:05Yeah, well it was a four-year project and it was before the days of internet and before
76. 4:13the days of Windows. I literally used a 486 computer or actually started with a 386 and typed in
77. 4:22every single letter and researched it and would reread it and so I sort of digested it while I was
78. 4:30putting it all together. But it hit a nerve. It sold over half a million copies, focused on the
79. 4:35family where you used to work, sold hundreds of thousands of copies. One time I was visiting with
80. 4:42with Dr. Dobson and some of the staff,
81. 4:44and they said it was their number one selling book
82. 4:47other than Dr. Dobson's own books.
83. 4:49And as a result of that, we had Congressman Heavitt,
84. 4:54we had the Supreme Court cited by name
85. 4:56in some of their decisions.
86. 4:58We've had city council members being told
87. 5:02they couldn't open with prayer,
88. 5:03and they would say, well, can I read a quote from a founder?
89. 5:06And they go, sure.
90. 5:07And they would read a quote of the founder saying a prayer.
91. 5:10Yeah.
92. 5:11And, but that was the first of what turned out to be 30 books.
93. 5:16And we just finished a new book called Courageous Christianity, where we go through the history
94. 5:20of the YMCA.
95. 5:21And it started out of a muscular Christianity movement in the early 1800s.
96. 5:27Charles Finney and George Williams and brought back the Olympics.
97. 5:31It's fascinating.
98. 5:32But the research, what I've found, is going back to primary source documents and just reading
99. 5:39through them. And nowadays, the internet's great because you can do really fast, but the
100. 5:48problem is there's too much information. And so the idea is to comb through it, which what
101. 5:56I've done is read through all the colonial charters, all the state constitutions, all the
102. 6:01messages and papers of the presidents, up to Obama, I admit I didn't read through all
103. 6:07Obama's addresses. But I did start reading their trumps, right? So I would compile these
104. 6:13in a database and the idea is that one of the famous quotes I like is from Arthur Schlesinger,
105. 6:23Jr. And the quote is, history is to the nation what memory is to the individual. So have you
106. 6:30ever met an individual who's lost their memory? Maybe they've all signed up? It's sort of sad.
107. 6:34They forgot who they are.
108. 6:35They're not just, you can take anything away from them.
109. 6:37We sort of have national Alzheimer's.
110. 6:39Here we are, the freest country that planet Earth
111. 6:41has ever seen, and we forgot who we are,
112. 6:43forgot how we got here,
113. 6:44and we're letting our freedoms be taken away.
114. 6:46And so when you share these stories, it's like,
115. 6:48ah, that's what makes America great.
116. 6:49We get to be the king of our lives,
117. 6:51and then all of us together are king of the country.
118. 6:54So the word citizen is Greek, it means co-king.
119. 6:58And so the Europe have kings, and they have subjects,
120. 7:01and subjects are subjected to the will.
121. 7:04King. Republics have citizens and so we pledge allegiance to the flag and to the
122. 7:08Republic. We're basically pledging allegiance to us being in charge of
123. 7:12ourselves. Anyway, so. You know what? I got to throw something out there and this
124. 7:19is why folks encourage you to buy books and by that I mean like book books and I
125. 7:25know we all read so much online but Bill I was doing some work for I was doing some
126. 7:31fact-checking for a book that I've got coming out this fall on Bible prophecy in the end times.
127. 7:37And you probably know this because you're such an information guru, but a number of universities
128. 7:44like Georgetown, Quinnipiac University, the economist, the Center for Integrative Oncology,
129. 7:52which is not about medicine but about information. It is estimated that 47 percent of the facts on
130. 8:00the internet are false. And folks, let that sink in for a minute. And right now, on the
131. 8:07internet, and of course the servers and routers and databases, all the world over, the majority
132. 8:14of activity taking place on servers right now is bot, BOT bot activity and AI digital
133. 8:22content creation. Now, and regarding social media, an estimated 86% of quote information
134. 8:32posted on social media is partially or wholly factually inaccurate. Now, when people posting
135. 8:40some social media, I could understand maybe people being inaccurate. But Bill, this is
136. 8:47That's why your books are so important with hundreds of hours of fact checking.
137. 8:52And folks, let me just say, and I'm as guilty as anybody, I live on screens.
138. 8:58One last thing, and I'm going to throw it to you, but they estimate that teenagers today
139. 9:04spend 6.7 hours a day looking at a small screen, a mobile device.
140. 9:10But what do you think about Georgetown and these groups saying that 47 percent of information
141. 9:17on the internet is false. The more I research, the more I'm tending to actually believe that,
142. 9:25hence the importance of books and traditional research. Would you agree?
143. 9:33Yeah, so they call them large language models. And when you do a Google search,
144. 9:39it goes out onto the internet and it gathers up all the information on that subject and then
145. 9:44compiles it in an instant into an answer. But the programmers can flag websites and say,
146. 9:52do not go to this website to gather your information because it is untrustworthy.
147. 9:58And so they have labeled all the conservative websites and all the conservative news sites as
148. 10:05untrustworthy. So when you Google to get an answer, it goes out there, it compiles everything, but it
149. 10:12leaves out all the conservative websites.
150. 10:15And so it gives you an answer that is factually incorrect.
151. 10:20I was reading one about Abraham Lincoln.
152. 10:23And they said, well, Lincoln didn't believe in God.
153. 10:25I'm like, hello, the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, DC,
154. 10:28is filled full of scriptures, filled full of God.
155. 10:30I've written books on Lincoln over and over again.
156. 10:35He talks about this nation under God,
157. 10:38she'll have a new birth of freedom.
158. 10:40So I've witnessed that, you know, it is interesting.
159. 10:44I have a book on socialism where I go through tactics during the Cold War.
160. 10:50So after World War II, you had countries in Europe and India and Egypt wanting to be free,
161. 10:56and they would create republics and elect leaders, but the Soviets didn't like that.
162. 11:01So they would send in people to do critical theory. What's that?
163. 11:04That's where you observe all the groups in a country, economic groups,
164. 11:09racial groups, religious groups, Sunni, Shia Orthodox, ethnic groups, Bosnian, Croat,
165. 11:15Serbs, and then they would categorize them as victims, oral pressers, haves and have-nots.
166. 11:20And then they would organize protests and riots and violence and bloodshed, why bloodshed?
167. 11:26Because then people think emotionally and not logically.
168. 11:29My friend just got killed.
169. 11:30I don't want to sit down and talk theory.
170. 11:32But then this emotion, people want to blame somebody for the killing.
171. 11:37And so they would co-opt the media and blame the leader of the country for all the problems.
172. 11:44And as people began to believe the lies about the leader, his popularity would fall and then
173. 11:50they would do a coup or rigged election and replace the leader with a Soviet puppet.
174. 11:54Country after country was falling, it was called behind the Iron Curtain.
175. 11:58Truman does nothing, the next president is Eisenhower.
176. 12:01when Iran nationalizes the oil and begins to side with the Soviet Union, Eisenhower does
177. 12:10the KGB thing in reverse. He has Allen Dulles, head of the CIA, Operation Ajax, sent in Kermit
178. 12:17Roosevelt, Jr., the grandson of Teddy Roosevelt. And he organizes gangsters and mobsters and
179. 12:23radical imams and he breaks the country into groups and he co-ops the media to blame the
180. 12:28leader of the country, Mazadek, for all the problems.
181. 12:30When people believe that his popularity falls, they do a coup, put him under house arrest,
182. 12:35and replace him with a Shah who had been in power before.
183. 12:40And so here, these tactics have been perfected for 50 years during the Cold War, and it became
184. 12:48evident with the church hearings, and the Operation Mockingbird was made public that the CIA had
185. 12:56400 assets in the media feeding up talking points to the press that was packaging it
186. 13:04and selling it to the public.
187. 13:06And so it was canceled until President Obama in 2012 does the Defense Authorization Act
188. 13:12where he brings back the Mockingbird project where the government can now put people in
189. 13:19all the social media and create talking points.
190. 13:24And then Obama did 2015 the executive order using behavioral sciences for the benefit
191. 13:30of the American people.
192. 13:31What's behavioral sciences?
193. 13:32It's SIOPS.
194. 13:34And then in 2016 Obama signed the Countering Foreign Intelligence, Countering Foreign Propaganda
195. 13:39and Disinformation Act, which gave him the authority to decide what's disinformation and
196. 13:44cancel it.
197. 13:45Exactly.
198. 13:46Yeah, I was just going to say that.
199. 13:47It sounds good to suppress disinformation, but when someone defines a viewpoint that they
200. 13:55don't like as disinformation, it results in censorship, doesn't it?
201. 14:01It does.
202. 14:02Now, the founding principle that all this is based on is that human beings are group creatures.
203. 14:12We want to be accepted.
204. 14:14We don't want to be rejected.
205. 14:151800s marketing was singer-salling machine,
206. 14:19and they would say everything about the details.
207. 14:22Early night, you know, the early 20th century.
208. 14:25Forgive me, we've got a break coming up, folks.
209. 14:27This is the Hamilton Corner, Alex McFarlane,
210. 14:29sitting in for Abe Hamilton with our very special guest,
211. 14:32William J. Bill Federer, historian prolific author.
212. 14:37We're gonna continue hearing some of our great history,
213. 14:40plus take your phone calls and questions.
214. 14:42So this is a very special day to tune in news and events
215. 14:48from a biblical factual perspective
216. 14:50that you won't hear anywhere else.
217. 14:52Stay tuned, we're back after this brief break
218. 14:54with more on the American Family Radio Network.
219. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
220. 15:05A big part of the Christian life is listening to God.
221. 15:08We listen to God by reading and meditating on his word.
222. 15:11We listen by his spirit because yes, God speaks
223. 15:13to all of his children every day.
224. 15:15Sometimes what you think is a passing thought through your mind,
225. 15:18maybe the Holy Spirit speaking to you,
226. 15:20giving you guidance inside a wisdom about a matter.
227. 15:23Now by no means am I saying that every passing thought
228. 15:25in your mind is the Holy Spirit, not at all,
229. 15:28but often what you might think is a passing thought
230. 15:31is the Holy Spirit speaking to you.
231. 15:33Write down thoughts, ideas, or insights that just come
232. 15:37to your mind that you think, maybe that's God speaking to you.
233. 15:40The more you're looking for God to speak to you,
234. 15:44The more he will speak to you.
235. 15:46Being deliberate about listening for the voice of God is very important.
236. 15:49And remember, you can always hear the voice of God through his word.
237. 15:53Spend more time reading the word of God and the voice of the Holy Spirit in life will get
238. 15:57louder and louder and louder.
239. 16:06Shiting light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Quarter, an American family radio.
240. 16:13Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here.
241. 16:15So honored to be sitting in for Abe Hamilton.
242. 16:18very honored. It's always a thrill to be talking with Bill Federer because I love our
243. 16:23country and over the weekend I had the privilege of speaking at Caris Bible College and I spoke
244. 16:30at the Summer Family Bible Conference then I was in pulpit in North Carolina on Sunday
245. 16:37and I was preaching about seven reasons that Christians should love America and that patriotism,
246. 16:45I mean, heartfelt, sincere patriotism does not necessarily contradict our commitment to
247. 16:52Jesus Christ.
248. 16:54And with Bill Federer on, I want to pick his brain about a couple of things.
249. 16:59But Bill, first of all, thanks for making time to be with us.
250. 17:04The founders, many, many of whom were Christians, they didn't see any conflict between love
251. 17:13of country and love of the Lord. And fidelity to America, just vocal commitment to America,
252. 17:21they didn't believe that that necessarily compromised our commitment to Christ the Savior,
253. 17:26did they? No, I actually put together book Silence
254. 17:30Equals Consent where I go through the 1600s where you literally had churches founding cities.
255. 17:37So Providence, Rhode Island was founded by the first Baptist Church in America. Everybody's
256. 17:42involved in church and everybody's involved in city government because it's the church
257. 17:46founding the city. Hartford, Connecticut was founded by the first
258. 17:49congregationalist church in America. Everybody's involved in church, everybody's
259. 17:54involved in city government because it's the church founding the city.
260. 17:57Matter of fact, this happened all throughout New England. Literally churches were
261. 18:02founding cities, founding colonies, and they had a covenant form of government
262. 18:07where you get rights from God, you're fair to your neighbor because you're
263. 18:11accountable to God. And they got this idea from the Bible, what part of the Bible that
264. 18:16first 400 years out of Egypt before they got a king. So the most common form of government
265. 18:21in world history is kings. Nimrod Pharaoh Caesar, Kaiser, Sultan Tsar, and as the centuries
266. 18:25go on the kingdoms get bigger because with the latest military advancement the kings can
267. 18:31kill more people. And finally, so you got a till of the Hun and Genghis Khan and the Vikings
268. 18:38and Kings of Spain, France and Austria until finally the King of England. He was a globalist.
269. 18:43The sun never set on the British Empire. And wherever you have a king, the king is a glorified
270. 18:48gang leader. It's a hierarchical system. If you are friends with the king, you are more equal.
271. 18:55If you are not friends with the king, you are less equal. If you're an enemy of the king,
272. 18:59you're dead. It's called treason or you're a slave. It's a pyramid structure to society.
273. 19:04And when America's founders broke away, they flipped it and made the people the king.
274. 19:10So the word citizen is Greek.
275. 19:11It means co-king.
276. 19:12And so, wow.
277. 19:13Basically, I did not know that.
278. 19:16So, say that again, folks, you've got to hear that the word citizen is a Greek word
279. 19:21that means co-king.
280. 19:22Is that what you said?
281. 19:24Right.
282. 19:25So kings have subjects who are subjected to their will.
283. 19:27I'm a subject to the king of England, right?
284. 19:30And republics have citizens.
285. 19:32And the word citizen is Greek.
286. 19:33It means co ruler, co sovereign, co king.
287. 19:38And so in America, you get to be a king with a little K over your life.
288. 19:41And all of us together are king with a little K over the country.
289. 19:45And then we have the voluntary opportunity of submitting our life to Jesus the king of
290. 19:49kings.
291. 19:50It's voluntary.
292. 19:51It's a bottom up form of government versus a top down.
293. 19:54Jesus told his disciples, the kings of the Gentiles rule over them.
294. 19:59But it shall not be so among you.
295. 20:01that's greatest among you. Let him be as he that serviced. I am among you as he that serviced.
296. 20:06So we're talking kingdoms and he's saying the world's kingdoms are top down through fear.
297. 20:10My kingdom is bottom up through love, but we're talking kingdoms. And it actually goes back to the
298. 20:15pre-King Saul post-King Saul. So the New England pastors looked to this 400 year period from around
299. 20:221400 BC to 1000 BC where you have millions of Israelites coming out of Egypt. And for four
300. 20:27centuries there's no king. It's a total anomaly in world history. I mean at this time you have
301. 20:33Egyptian pharaohs, king Agabashan, you got you know, India has maharajas and China has emperors.
302. 20:40The world is kings and here israel millions of people know king and it worked because everybody's
303. 20:46taught the law and they're accountable to God to follow it and it worked for four centuries until
304. 20:51the priests went woke and stopped teaching the law and every man did what was right in their own
305. 20:56And you got the high priest Eli, his own sons are sleeping with women in the tent of meeting
306. 21:01and another Levite with a concubine that gets raped to death by a bunch of sodomites.
307. 21:05And they all go to Samuel the prophet and they say this self-government system is no longer
308. 21:10working.
309. 21:11We want to be like the other countries.
310. 21:13We want a king.
311. 21:14Samuel cries and the Lord tells them they did not reject you.
312. 21:17They rejected me.
313. 21:19Now why is this story important?
314. 21:21Well, the kings of England looked to the Bible for their authority, but they looked to the
315. 21:25the King Saul and on part of the Bible and the Puritans and Pilgrims and Baptists and
316. 21:30Presbyterians that found the New England look to the pre-King Saul part of the Bible.
317. 21:35This Hebrew Republic 400 years, millions of people are by taught the law, no King.
318. 21:40And so the Kings want theocracies.
319. 21:43You do what I tell you to believe or I'm going to burn you at the stake.
320. 21:46But in a Republic you have freedom of conscience.
321. 21:49And it's this idea that your relationship with God is a love relationship and love is
322. 21:54voluntary and so we're not going to have a coercion or punishment from the government.
323. 21:59And so freedom of conscience is what Christians introduced into America, which was contrary
324. 22:06to every dictatorship, every king, every socialist, communist country, right?
325. 22:11In the world they want to control your will, your thoughts.
326. 22:15There's no freedom.
327. 22:16I'm going to ask you this, how did the granted, America was based on a moral code in that we
328. 22:24would police ourselves by God's law written on the heart.
329. 22:28I mean, there were, there were, there's the overt scriptures of the Bible and Genesis, I'm
330. 22:34sorry, Exodus 21 through 17 has the 10 commandments, but I guess how did we get from a culture of
331. 22:43moral boundaries where we hold ourselves in check to this militant autonomy that, you
332. 22:52know, the Democrat Party and those on the left, they, if you try to uphold the rule of
333. 22:58law, they call it fascism and making people accountable and securing the border and
334. 23:03deporting felons and illegals, that's fascism. How do we morph from a Judeo-Christian moral
335. 23:10foundation to really the lawlessness that we so often see around us right now.
336. 23:16Yeah, good question. Well, first of all, what they're doing is projection. So they're blaming
337. 23:22us for what they're doing. It's a socialist tactic. But going back, the New England Puritans
338. 23:29had a covenant form of government and where you get rights from God, you're fair to your
339. 23:35neighbor because you're accountable to God and they began to teach it academically. God
340. 23:40as a planet for your life, your marriage, family, church, your government. Find what the plan
341. 23:42is put into place and it got a little dry. Matter of fact, it got very dry and so much so that
342. 23:49the Puritans were nicknamed old lights and some took it the next step and said God in his
343. 23:55infinite wisdom already knows who's going to wind up in heaven. So don't even bother preaching
344. 24:00the gospel. Whoever's supposed to get saved will get saved, case of Rasa Rah, and it became
345. 24:05unavangelistic and so these old lights became spiritually dry.
346. 24:10And David Brainerd got expelled from Yale
347. 24:12because he said his professor was as spiritual as a chair.
348. 24:16But in the 1700s, you had the new lights.
349. 24:21And the new lights said, no, it's more than a plan,
350. 24:26a covenant plan, even if it's a good plan,
351. 24:28you have to have an experience with Jesus.
352. 24:31And when you do, your life will change
353. 24:33and you won't do worldly things you're used to do,
354. 24:37like bars and brothels and government.
355. 24:40Wait, what was that last thing?
356. 24:41Yeah, government, it's worldly.
357. 24:43If you're really a Christian,
358. 24:44you're gonna withdraw from worldly things, including government.
359. 24:47Well, gee, that's different than the 1600s
360. 24:50where everybody's involved in church
361. 24:52and everybody's involved in city government,
362. 24:53because it's the church founding the city, right?
363. 24:56The word, polis means city, politics means the business
364. 25:00of the city, policy is what the citizens agree upon.
365. 25:05A cold light is how the citizens treat each other.
366. 25:08And if they don't do it very well, they have police, right?
367. 25:11But poll means city.
368. 25:13And so in the 1600s, churches are founding cities.
369. 25:18But in the 1700s, they're like, no, no, no, we're not
370. 25:20going to do that anymore.
371. 25:21If you're really spiritual, you will withdraw from government.
372. 25:27Well, if all the spiritual people withdraw from government,
373. 25:30who's left to be involved, but the less spiritual.
374. 25:33And Bill is self-fulfilled.
375. 25:34Isn't this almost,
376. 25:36Francis Schae for the great Christian thinker
377. 25:38in the late 70s, I think he died around 1986,
378. 25:42but didn't he, in his book,
379. 25:44The Great Evangelical Disaster?
380. 25:46And folks, listen to this,
381. 25:48like in the aftermath of the Scopes trial in 1925,
382. 25:53many well-meaning, but I think misguided Christians said,
383. 25:57oh, we've got to pull away from the world,
384. 25:59what's pulled away from academia,
385. 26:00pulled away from entertainment,
386. 26:02pulled away from media.
387. 26:04This thing of God's salt and light church
388. 26:09withdrawing from government, from culture,
389. 26:11from the public square,
390. 26:14is that what Shafer warned about in what he called
391. 26:18the great evangelical disaster?
392. 26:21Yeah, yeah, so the Puritans, it was a plan,
393. 26:24but to some it was only a plan and it got dry.
394. 26:28And so the revivalists, they're called pietists,
395. 26:31they said it's a personal experience.
396. 26:33But to some it was so personal, it was only personal.
397. 26:37And they just cared about their own personal relationship
398. 26:39with the Lord and they could care less
399. 26:41about what kind of country they're leaving their kids.
400. 26:44And so a little background, Germany, 15, 17,
401. 26:48Martin Luther starts the Reformation
402. 26:49because he had a personal experience with Jesus,
403. 26:52the judge show led by faith.
404. 26:53It was so personal to Martin Luther,
405. 26:55he was willing to stand up to the most powerful
406. 26:57political leader in the world, the King of Spain. Tell him to his face, unless you
407. 27:02can prove me wrong from the Scriptures. Here I stand so help me God. Very personal
408. 27:07to Martin Luther. But some German princes have been waiting for a chance to break
409. 27:11from Rome. And they go, this is it. Kingdom of mind, I just made the decision,
410. 27:16you are all now Lutherans. And the people in the Kingdom are like, okay great, we're
411. 27:20Lutherans. What do we believe? So for the people in the Kingdom, it's not
412. 27:24necessarily the same personal experience Martin Luther had us just anew.
413. 27:27doctrine and it became dry and so the revival movement starts called
414. 27:31Piotism. It said be unto Christians more than doctrine even if it's good
415. 27:34doctrine you have to have an experience with Jesus when you do your life
416. 27:36field change you won't do worldly things including government and so these
417. 27:40Lutheran Piotists the best-known group are called Moravians in Germany and they
418. 27:45go around the world and believe it or not this teaching helps them to get into
419. 27:52countries because they could go to a kingdom in India or Egypt and say look we're
420. 27:56not going to influence politics. We just want to have people, you know, hear the good news
421. 28:00and the king and say, okay, you're not a threat. Come on in. But they didn't realize in America,
422. 28:05we're not a monarchy. We're a republic. Hey, Bill, did you know that don't get involved?
423. 28:10There's quite a history of Moravians in my home state of North Carolina. And you may know
424. 28:19that maybe sometime when you're up here, I'll take you. There's old Salem, but there's a
425. 28:25called Bathabra that's very well restored
426. 28:29and the Moravian Christians were quite influential here
427. 28:34in the Mid-Atlantic region.
428. 28:37Yeah, yeah, and Moravian falls, I've been there,
429. 28:39and they emphasized a personal experience with Jesus.
430. 28:42And who did they influence?
431. 28:44George, John, Wesley.
432. 28:46So there's a boat, a boat to Georgia,
433. 28:48and it's almost sinking, the Wesley's are screaming.
434. 28:51And the Lutheran pite is Moravians,
435. 28:54just singing praise songs. And John Wesley is like, you have a personal experience with Jesus that I
436. 28:59don't have. He fails in Georgia, goes back to England, another Moravian, Paul Bolar, invites him to
437. 29:05another prayer meeting. And John Wesley says, about a quarter before nine, as he was explaining the
438. 29:10change, which God works in the hearts of those who believe in Christ, I felt my heart strangely
439. 29:14warmed. I felt, I did trust in Christ Christ alone for salvation. And he gave me an assurance that he
440. 29:19had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from a loss and in death. And so John Wesley said,
441. 29:24He felt his heart strangely warm, and so he goes over and lives with the Moravians in Germany
442. 29:28for eight months, calls it the religion of heart of the heart. He comes back to England,
443. 29:32starts a revival movement inside of the Anglican church, called Methodism, saying, look, it's more
444. 29:36than the Anglican doctrine, even if it's a good doctrine, you have to have an experience with Jesus.
445. 29:41He gets his friend George Whitfield involved, who comes and preaches up and down the colony seven
446. 29:45times. It's great. He's emphasizing a personal experience with Jesus, but to some it was so personal
447. 29:50it was only personal and they would withdraw from government and you had the two brothers
448. 29:57who were Lutheran, Pius pastors, Henry Muellenberg and John Peter Muellenberg and the revolution starts.
449. 30:06John Peter, here's Patrick Henry's give me liberty, give me death speech, goes to Washington who makes
450. 30:11him a colonel, goes to his church, preaches a sermon out of Ecclesiastes, the time to gather
451. 30:17stone, the time to scatter stone, the time to preach, time to fight.
452. 30:20Gets 300 of his men together and they fight in all these battles.
453. 30:24He gets promoted to general after the war.
454. 30:27John Peter Muellenberg's elected to Congress.
455. 30:29Well, during this time, he's riding to his brother, Frederick.
456. 30:33I call them Henry.
457. 30:34Henry was the dad.
458. 30:35So Frederick is the other brother.
459. 30:37And Frederick tells John Peter, you're getting involved in things which as a preacher you
460. 30:43have nothing whatsoever to do.
461. 30:45John Peter writes back to Frederick saying, you're a Tory
462. 30:48brilliant sympathizer. Frederick writes back and says you
463. 30:51could not serve two masters. And then the revel, then when
464. 30:54the British burned Frederick's church down, he gets involved,
465. 30:57he gets elected to Congress, he gets elected to the Speaker of
466. 30:59the House. The first Speaker of the House is a Lutheran pastor
467. 31:03that went from not being involved to being involved. And
468. 31:05what did they pass the First Amendment? And so this is
469. 31:11teaching of old light, new light. One, it's a great covenant
470. 31:14plan, but to some it's only plan. And then the piety says, it's no, it's a personal experience,
471. 31:19but to some it was so personal it was only personal. But I have this question, if having
472. 31:23a personal experience is so important, don't you want your kids to have a chance to have
473. 31:29a personal experience with Jesus? Because if you don't get involved in government, they
474. 31:33are wanting to teach your kids in the public schools that God does not exist. Would God
475. 31:38want the kids to be taught he didn't exist? And then they teach, there's no sin, right?
476. 31:44that here, drag queen story hour, library books, try this kind of sex, try that kind of sex.
477. 31:50If sex outside of marriage is not a sin, arguably there are no sins.
478. 31:53And if there's no sins, you don't need a savior to save your from your sins.
479. 31:56They undermine the entire gospel.
480. 31:58So you have to admit it's a pretty clever trick the devil's pulled to get Christian to believe
481. 32:03the gospel of Christ, sit back and let their children be taught the gospel of antichrist.
482. 32:08Right?
483. 32:09Well, I don't want to get involved in government.
484. 32:11I'm gonna let the ungodly people teach my kids
485. 32:14that there's no God, there's no male, female,
486. 32:16there's no sin.
487. 32:18It's like, oh, you're really spiritual.
488. 32:20And yet Jesus said, if you allow one of these little ones
489. 32:22who believes in me to stumble better than a meal
490. 32:24still he put around your neck,
491. 32:25can you be thrown at the depths of the sea?
492. 32:27Well, it kind of reminds me that famous quote,
493. 32:28all that is necessary for evil,
494. 32:30a triumph is for good men to do nothing, Edmond Burke.
495. 32:33Stay tuned, we're gonna take questions.
496. 32:35Here's the number folks,
497. 32:36if you have a question for Bill Federer,
498. 32:38Triple 8, 5, 8, 9, 88, 40, that's Triple 8,
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500. 32:45on the American Family Radio Network
501. 32:47with our guest, William Federer, don't go away.
502. 32:50A brief break, and then we're back.
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526. 34:16Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here.
527. 34:19And, you know, in addition to our seven summer
528. 34:21Biblical worldview youth camps,
529. 34:23we have about 1,200 students in camp this summer,
530. 34:26and God is blessing.
531. 34:28We're having kids get saved,
532. 34:30we're teaching them to defend their faith.
533. 34:32But also we've got a speaker series going on
534. 34:34in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.
535. 34:36Myrtle Beach has a real music industry,
536. 34:40We've rented a couple of great theaters.
537. 34:42We had Dinesh, D'Souza.
538. 34:44But listen to this, folks.
539. 34:45August 21.
540. 34:47I know that's a little bit of a ways off,
541. 34:48but I've got Charlie Kirk coming.
542. 34:51Now, we'll be at the Alabama Theater.
543. 34:52We have well over 2,000 seats.
544. 34:56And my own website, which is alexmickfarlin.com
545. 35:00slash conversations.
546. 35:02The series for adults, the biblical worldview series,
547. 35:06we call it conversations that matter.
548. 35:09And so Charlie Kirk is coming in.
549. 35:11By the way, Myrtle Beach, Great Resort,
550. 35:13like 20 million people a year from 50 states go there.
551. 35:18And that's why we decided to do this speaker series
552. 35:22to really maximize on all the people
553. 35:24that go to the beach down there.
554. 35:25And so I would love to see you.
555. 35:28You can Google the Alabama theater.
556. 35:30That's where we're going to be.
557. 35:33And it's just gonna be fantastic.
558. 35:35Charlie Kirk is an amazing speaker
559. 35:37and I would love for you to join us,
560. 35:39or you can get complete information,
561. 35:41plus my travel schedule at alexmickfarlane.com.
562. 35:47And we're gonna take some calls in a moment,
563. 35:49and the number, if you wanna call in,
564. 35:51if you have a question for Bill Federer,
565. 35:54just really an American treasure, this guy.
566. 35:57What a historian, the number is triple eight,
567. 35:59five, eight, nine, 88, 40.
568. 36:01But before we go to the phones, Bill, give your website,
569. 36:04And listen, I've heard you speak so many times.
570. 36:08I've booked you a few times.
571. 36:10You really are amazing.
572. 36:12How can people learn about your travel
573. 36:15and maybe they want to bring you to their city,
574. 36:18but give your website and such, Bill?
575. 36:21Sure, sure.
576. 36:21It's americanminute.com, Americanminute.com.
577. 36:25And all the contact there, phone, email, you can get to me.
578. 36:29And I'm happy to speak for you.
579. 36:31I do that almost every week.
580. 36:34one or two places. But yeah, AmericanMinute.com.
581. 36:38Yeah, it's great. And your books, where can people look at the various titles and order?
582. 36:46Yeah, well, Amazon.com has them and all the different online bookstores. Or you can just
583. 36:52go to my website, AmericanMinute.com. And we have descriptions of the books, we have
584. 36:57videos, we have flash drives with my video presentations on them. You can stick them
585. 37:01in the USB on your computer or smart TV. We have links to articles and videos and interviews
586. 37:10that I've done. But yeah, American Minute.com. Wonderful.
587. 37:14And a couple of the books that we've been pushing over the Fourth of July are called
588. 37:19Miracles in American History. And so these are stories from our country's past where
589. 37:23there's a crisis, they pray and have courage, things turn around, have revivals, first great
590. 37:27Awakening, Second Grade Awakening. We have the missionaries to India, missionaries to Burma,
591. 37:34missionaries to Hawaii, missionaries to the Indians. Lots of very inspiring stories of faith.
592. 37:41I want to go to Tyrone in Oklahoma. Tyrone, thanks for holding and welcome to our conversation with
593. 37:49Bill Federer. And I'm hitting the button and it's not turning red. Could somebody pot up Tyrone,
594. 37:57please.
595. 37:59Hello.
596. 38:00Yes.
597. 38:01Welcome.
598. 38:02Thank you for holding.
599. 38:04All right.
600. 38:05Well, my question was that when Lyndon Johnson had the five-on-one K deal and his threat to
601. 38:12stop taxes, what about the sanctuary cities who refuse to cooperate with ICE and hold
602. 38:21criminals and build a man that they keep funding and they seem to thumb their nose at any threat
603. 38:28of their funding been taken away when they're going against, you know, what they're doing
604. 38:36completely wrong and then I'll just hang up and let you, and that's him answer that I appreciate
605. 38:41your ability, let me speak.
606. 38:49Tyrone, hey, you make a great point. I'm going to throw it to Bill in just a moment, folks.
607. 38:53You got to understand, I mean, this is so significant, the Johnson Amendment in 1954
608. 38:59really amounted to intimidating ministers and churches into silence.
609. 39:07Now, we just heard in the news today that the IRS has lifted the sanctions, although I don't think
610. 39:14that we Christians should be coward into silence just because of threats of the IRS. But Bill,
611. 39:21What a dichotomy, the very same left that would say, oh, Christians can't endorse political
612. 39:31candidates because it violates IRS law, but those very same leftists and cities would violate
613. 39:36U.S. law by harboring illegals and felons, the color really, I think, raises a great
614. 39:43point.
615. 39:45Yeah, gee, several different angles on that. First, this prior to the Johnson Amendment,
616. 39:54churches talked about everything. They talked about abolition of slavery. They talked about
617. 39:58taking care of immigrants. They talked about prohibition. They talked about women suffered.
618. 40:06Tim talked about these issues. Even in 1962, WA Criswell, pastor of the first Baptist Church in Dallas,
619. 40:12had a Sunday broadcast sermon on why he thought that John F. Kennedy, a Catholic,
620. 40:17should not be president because he would take orders from the Pope. And of course,
621. 40:21Kennedy just goes to Texas and tells the Houston Baptist Association that he's not going to let
622. 40:26the Pope tell him how to run America and they'll vote for him. But pastors talked about politics.
623. 40:30They talked about these issues until Johnson was running for Senate in Texas. And a conservative
624. 40:37group said that his policies, because he embraced FDR's New Deal and then later his great society
625. 40:44welfare state, they were leaning towards socialism and communism.
626. 40:48LBJ didn't want to be called the communist.
627. 40:50So he introduced this bill that would limit 501c3s and churches just happened to be 501c3s
628. 40:57from endorsing candidates.
629. 41:03was an IRS code change and it was challenged by Michael Ferris and then the ADF and then
630. 41:14Matt Staver, Liberty Council, where pastors would speak on politics, record it, send it
631. 41:19to the IRS and say come and get me because they wanted a loss because they knew the
632. 41:24IRS wouldn't win.
633. 41:25Is that pulled put freedom in Sunday?
634. 41:27Yeah.
635. 41:28And so it was just an intimidation, and most pastors are busy keeping track of a flock and not
636. 41:34keeping up with IRS laws. And so they would say, I'm just going to avoid the whole topic altogether.
637. 41:39But this today, this IRS ruling makes it clear that pastors are not limited, that the government
638. 41:48cannot tell them what they can and cannot say. They're citizens, but also the church has protected
639. 41:54the First Amendment protects the freedom of speech. So that's one thing that I wanted to talk about.
640. 42:00The other is LBJ. And so Lincoln, Republican, freed the slaves. Democrats in the deep South
641. 42:07passed Jim Crow laws and then started the KKK and they had lynchings and these were horrible.
642. 42:12And Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, condemned the lynchings. You had the invention of television
643. 42:20and you had pictures of blacks being hosed on the streets of Birmingham by Bull Connor,
644. 42:26the Democrat County Commissioner, and dogs being sicked on him. And so LBJ says,
645. 42:32this isn't going to bode well for the Democrat Party because all the rest of the country are
646. 42:35going to see how Democrats treat blacks. And so he goes in to meet with governors. And according to
647. 42:41the book was written, Kessler wrote it. He said that LBJ told these governors if they would
648. 42:54back his plan to switch from intimidation to entitlement, he would have and he used the
649. 42:59N-word voting Democrat the next 200 years. And so LBJ's great society welfare state was
650. 43:04the switch from intimidation to entitlement. In other words, destabilize inner city communities
651. 43:11so people would sign up for welfare.
652. 43:13And once they started getting used to getting checks,
653. 43:16they would have a tendency to want to keep it coming.
654. 43:19And they would tend to vote for the candidates
655. 43:21that would promise to keep it coming.
656. 43:23And then LBJ in 1965 changed the immigration policies.
657. 43:28Most immigrants up to this point
658. 43:30came from countries where they had
659. 43:33what's called the Protestant work ethic.
660. 43:35It was considered a social stigma to sign up for welfare,
661. 43:37that you're admitting failure.
662. 43:39And yet they found out that immigrants from really, really poor third world countries didn't
663. 43:44have that stigma and they would be happy to sign up.
664. 43:46And once they got used to the free money, they would tend to vote for the candidates that
665. 43:50promised to continue it.
666. 43:52So it was a way to build a Democrat voter base.
667. 43:54And so that was this policy to let as many immigrants in so that you could sign them up
668. 44:00for welfare.
669. 44:01And we even have Democrats calling saying, look, let's give them all amnesty so they could
670. 44:05all vote.
671. 44:08And so we see that serving.
672. 44:10Yeah, it was a policy.
673. 44:12And then, you know, I ran for Congress three times.
674. 44:15I have an inside look at how this works.
675. 44:19People would spend a decade trying to redraw a congressional district map, cut out this
676. 44:26street, cut in that street.
677. 44:28And then they found an easier way to do it.
678. 44:31Just let crime go up in the big cities and the people will move out.
679. 44:37I want to get to Patty in Iowa.
680. 44:39I know we've got a couple of more comments.
681. 44:41Patty, are you there?
682. 44:43Patty?
683. 44:47Patty in Iowa?
684. 44:50Let's go to Chris in Virginia.
685. 44:52Chris, are you there?
686. 44:54Yes, sir.
687. 44:55Welcome. Thank you for holding.
688. 44:58Thank you.
689. 45:00First time hearing Mr. Federer,
690. 45:03I'm impressed with his grasp of history and the church.
691. 45:08And I'm curious, Mr. Federer,
692. 45:10have you published videos,
693. 45:12books, you can give me some references to. Thank you.
694. 45:17Sure. Well, thank you for that question. I love that question. My website's AmericanMinute.com,
695. 45:24and I published 30 books over the last 30 years, and I have links to hundreds of videos. I
696. 45:32I did 700 programs called Faith in History
697. 45:36for the TCT Network and TCT.tv.
698. 45:41But yeah, thank you for asking.
699. 45:44And I've got to throw something in
700. 45:46and Bill hold that thought.
701. 45:48Alex here, I'm in North Carolina.
702. 45:50Okay, when I was a youth pastor,
703. 45:52friendly Avenue Baptist Church,
704. 45:53this was in the 90s and up through the early 2000s,
705. 45:56then I went to work for James Dobson.
706. 45:59But I would give all of my graduating seniors,
707. 46:02Bill Federer's book on America's Encyclopedia of God and Country quotations.
708. 46:08Because I knew they'd be going to Chapel Hill and Duke and NC State and Clemson and Wake
709. 46:11Forest and I knew they were going to get at least they would attempt to program them into
710. 46:17woke little compliance socialists.
711. 46:20So Bill, I would get every May when my seniors were graduating my youth group.
712. 46:26I would go down to Family Christian Bookstore and I would buy like anywhere from 15 to 30
713. 46:31copies of your encyclopedia book.
714. 46:34And I remember, two things.
715. 46:36One, I thought, William J. Federer,
716. 46:39I would really like to meet him someday.
717. 46:41And God has graciously allowed us to become friends.
718. 46:44But I want to tell you something, Bill, seriously.
719. 46:47One day I was going to Raleigh.
720. 46:49I had to visit a man that was going to have surgery
721. 46:51in the hospital.
722. 46:53So I had read many of your quotes,
723. 46:55like the fundamental charter, the Carolinas.
724. 46:57And I think it was in 18, in your book.
725. 47:01It says like in 1835, the state charter was amended that to be elected or hold public office
726. 47:09in North Carolina, you had to profess the Protestant faith and had to verbally say, old
727. 47:16and New Testaments are the word of God.
728. 47:18So I went, and of course I've been to the state capital many times, and I was a page
729. 47:23under Governor Hunt in 78.
730. 47:27I'm old.
731. 47:28I looked up everything in your book about North Carolina, and I spent like an entire day in
732. 47:36Raleigh at the archives, and they let me go into some drawers and file cabinets that were
733. 47:42way back, and I was like, everything Bill Federer said about the Christian founding of North Carolina
734. 47:49is true, and I saw it with my own eyes.
735. 47:52I don't think I've ever told you this.
736. 47:54This is 30 years ago.
737. 47:57I went and with my own eyes, I saw the antiquated antiquarian documents where your book talks about
738. 48:08the fundamental charter of the Carolinas and all that stuff is accurate and I was like,
739. 48:14yay for my home state. We were founded by Christians.
740. 48:20Yeah, well, I actually had dinner with Supreme Court Chief Justice Paul Newby and his wife,
741. 48:25and we talk about North Carolina Constitution history.
742. 48:28And it's still in the North Carolina Constitution
743. 48:33that I think it's the first duty of a civilized
744. 48:36and Christian state, something there.
745. 48:39But it references Christian state.
746. 48:41And it's still in the North Carolina Constitution.
747. 48:43You know, Judge Newby is a great, great friend
748. 48:46and an amazing man of God, as are you.
749. 48:49Folks, we're just about out of time,
750. 48:51but there's a lot to rejoice over.
751. 48:54The IRS ruling that churches can, yes, can endorse political candidates, please continue
752. 49:02to pray for Texas and continue to be bold and stand strong.
753. 49:06Bill Federer, thank you for your time tonight and thank you for the great work you do.
754. 49:11Thank you, Alex, and I am in agreement and prayer for all the families in Texas.
755. 49:17Indeed.
756. 49:18Folks, one last admonitions on 122 verse 6, pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
757. 49:23What an exciting time.
758. 49:25I know it's a challenge, but what an exciting time to be a Christian in this hour.
759. 49:30And remember, your labor in the Lord is not in vain.
760. 49:331 Corinthians 1558, blessings to you.