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June 6, 2025 · 50:49

Trump vs…. Musk? What is going on?

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0:00 - 15:00. Proverbs 15:31-33. He who listens to reproof will dwell among the wise. 15:00 - 31:00. Trump vs…. Musk? What is going on? 31:00 - 48:00. Heidi St. John, bestselling author, speaker, and host of The Heidi St. John Podcast, returns to “The Corner.” | 1-800-326-4543 ext. 345 To donate call : 877-616-2396 Video Clip Links Dem Rep. Laura Friedman

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  1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
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  11. 0:33Good evening ladies and gentlemen,
  12. 0:35welcome to the Hamilton Corner here on American Family Radio.
  13. 0:38I am your host, Abraham Hamilton,
  14. 0:41the third broadcasting live once again from the Illinois Christian Home Educators Conference,
  15. 0:47I-C-H-E here in Burbanet, Illinois on the beautiful campus of Olivette Nazarene University.
  16. 0:55This is truly truly a beautiful campus.
  17. 0:58this is my first time participating in the ICHE Conference and it has been a tremendous,
  18. 1:04tremendous conference. What a great time we've had here. We are still here in the exhibit
  19. 1:11hall on the Olivette Nazarene University campus and we plan to have an exciting show. Today,
  20. 1:18at this very moment many of you, if not most of you, are making your transitions from your
  21. 1:22part-time jobs where you generate an income to your full-time jobs where you cultivate
  22. 1:27an outcome and as you do so I want to remind you as is my custom to do so with
  23. 1:32intentionality understanding the primacy that God places on the family. I talked
  24. 1:38this morning in our plenary session here about the family being God's primary
  25. 1:44mission station that is not merely a circumstance for collegiality for
  26. 1:51fraternity, it is a mission station and the primary vehicle that God has
  27. 1:56established to facilitate fidelity to him generationally. That you go from one
  28. 2:04generation to another generation as a result of the Lord moving one source
  29. 2:11parental source to pour into and to disciple their children. The corner
  30. 2:17contingent is still in the building to my right right here off camera though.
  31. 2:20Produced extraordinaire the real Jay Mack often imitated and never duplicated and back in studio. Mr. Bobby
  32. 2:31Elsa is
  33. 2:32Manning the controls as is usual. We're excited to be with you
  34. 2:37Yet again, you know as you're making your transition it is and it is
  35. 2:43Inestimably important to recognize
  36. 2:46What God has done and what he is doing in establishing the family.
  37. 2:52I say it all the time, we will never, as a society, outvote, we'll never out-politik.
  38. 2:57We'll never even out-church deficiencies that abound in the home.
  39. 3:01So often the world works feverishly to cause us to place importance and significance on everything except our families.
  40. 3:10many times, many places, people who, you know, well-meaning even want to be
  41. 3:14salt and light, want to do so at the expense of their own families, neglecting
  42. 3:18their own homes in an effort to be faithful and fruitful in the world. And
  43. 3:22listen, we all should want to be fruitful and faithful in the world. Every believer
  44. 3:27should want to be fruitful and faithful to be faithful and fruitful in the world.
  45. 3:31Simply not at the expense of our families, which is why I endeavored to recalibrate
  46. 3:36our thinking that when we leave our income generating capacities, that is when we're transitioning
  47. 3:43to our full time jobs because our full time commitment is an outcome cultivation.
  48. 3:48And by God's grace, He gives us the opportunity and the ability to do so starting right in
  49. 3:54our own homes.
  50. 3:55So no matter what station of life that you may be in currently, every believer is called
  51. 4:02to execute the King's Commission.
  52. 4:03And if you're listening to me right now and you're like, yeah, yeah, let's get past all
  53. 4:08of the Christian stuff.
  54. 4:09Let's just get to the issues of the day.
  55. 4:10I simply want to encourage you the same way that he would write it would encourage you.
  56. 4:14That as the Lord is drawing you, do not harden your hearts.
  57. 4:17Do not harden your heart.
  58. 4:19The only appropriate response to the invitation from the eternal King of glory is to say yes
  59. 4:28and enter into the lifestyle of worship.
  60. 4:31So as you are making your transition,
  61. 4:33please do so with intentionality
  62. 4:36and make sure that our investments,
  63. 4:38your investment in your full time job is fully orbed,
  64. 4:43fully committed in Jesus' name.
  65. 4:47To the word of God we go Proverbs chapter 15.
  66. 4:50Proverbs chapter 15 is where we're gonna go.
  67. 4:53Verses 31 through 33, Proverbs 15 verses 31 through 33
  68. 4:5833 is where we're going to go here. Proverbs is in the wisdom literature genre in scripture.
  69. 5:08All right. And this is what the verses say, verse 31. He who hear, sorry, he whose ear listens
  70. 5:19to the life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise. He who neglects discipline,
  71. 5:29despises himself, but he who listens to reproof acquires understanding. The fear
  72. 5:37of the Lord is the instruction for wisdom and before honor comes humility.
  73. 5:46Read that again. He who's ear listens to the life-giving reproof, will dwell
  74. 5:53among the wise. He who neglects discipline despises himself, but he who
  75. 5:59listens to reproof, acquires understanding. The fear of the Lord is the instruction for wisdom.
  76. 6:08And before honor comes humility, one of the major things all of it is what I'm going to focus on in
  77. 6:14term. I'm going to start with that first verse 31. It says, he whose ear listens to reproof,
  78. 6:22not just reproof generally, but the scripture says, life giving, reproof, will dwell among the
  79. 6:29How often have we considered?
  80. 6:32How often have you considered that dwelling among the wise,
  81. 6:38being accompanied by the wise is directly connected in scripture.
  82. 6:45Hm.
  83. 6:46To heeding, life-giving reproof.
  84. 6:50Yesterday I talked about how fear of death produces lifelong slaves,
  85. 6:54according to Hebrews chapter 2.
  86. 6:56Here you have the one who would be wise, who would dwell among the wise,
  87. 7:01the dwelling among the wise gives ear to life given reproof.
  88. 7:05It's the fool who despises discipline and instruction.
  89. 7:10Psalm 2 says, why does the heathen rage?
  90. 7:17And imagine a vain thing.
  91. 7:20Guys, it is absolutely necessary for the body of Christ
  92. 7:26to return to the reality that correction from God
  93. 7:30is an exhibition of his love for the one being corrected.
  94. 7:36in a part of maturity and in the process of maturing
  95. 7:41is being able to discern life-giving reproof.
  96. 7:48If your inclination at first instance is to bristle
  97. 7:52against correction, I just wanna say,
  98. 7:55the proverbial wisdom indicates that you are placing
  99. 8:00yourself in a course of life that will foreclose you
  100. 8:07from being among the wise. This is why it is an exercise in immaturity and
  101. 8:19adolescence to reject correction. How many times have you had the experience
  102. 8:27where you're talking to someone but they're not interested in a dialogue they
  103. 8:34simply want a monologue with an audience that you are talking. You know
  104. 8:42there's a conversation that's supposed to be transpiring but one person is
  105. 8:45talking and they speak and then if you have the opportunity to speak they're
  106. 8:51not listening to what you're saying they're waiting for their opportunity to
  107. 8:55again say or to once again resume saying what they had been saying
  108. 9:03previously not giving ear but in it beyond assessing the natural
  109. 9:11phenomenon of transpires what does the scripture saying and look at the
  110. 9:16He who neglects discipline despises himself.
  111. 9:23That should provoke the question, how does one neglect discipline?
  112. 9:26And here's not saying he who neglects to apply discipline externally to someone else.
  113. 9:31This is saying he who personally neglects discipline being offered despises himself.
  114. 9:41So how do we then, how does one neglect discipline?
  115. 9:45You know the Hebrew writer when describing the Lord's love
  116. 9:49The Lord's love exhibited by his correction.
  117. 9:52He corrects those who he loves.
  118. 9:54He says, the one who is trained by,
  119. 9:57the one who is trained by the correction
  120. 10:00will eat the peaceable fruit of righteousness,
  121. 10:03which gives the communication that there will be some
  122. 10:05who refuse to be trained by the correction.
  123. 10:10Isaiah said in another place, he was off the reproved,
  124. 10:13yes, stiffens his neck shall suddenly be destroyed
  125. 10:17and that without remedy.
  126. 10:19the way that you neglect this discipline that you can suffer the application without applying
  127. 10:26one's heart and mind to the reasoning behind it. It's remarkable to consider, but it could
  128. 10:36all be employed, yet the one who is the intended recipient of God's love ends up going without
  129. 10:45not without God's love, but going without the application, or should I say, the refusal to neglect discipline.
  130. 10:54But the next verse, verse 32 says, he who listens to reprove acquires wisdom.
  131. 11:05He who listens to reprove acquires wisdom.
  132. 11:09So you have these multi-layered features.
  133. 11:131.
  134. 11:15God chases or corrects those whom He loves.
  135. 11:192.
  136. 11:20The one who is trained by the correction eats the peace of the fruit of righteousness.
  137. 11:243.
  138. 11:26He who gives ear or listens to the reproof would dwell among the wise.
  139. 11:32That seems like a lot of biblical admonition to embrace and to be trained by the extension
  140. 11:41or the exercise of God's love toward us.
  141. 11:44opposed to bristling against it. And then the proverb concludes with the truest
  142. 11:54observation before honor comes humility. The Apostle James said it, God opposes the
  143. 12:06proud but gives grace. Maison Chairus, more grace to the humble. If you want to
  144. 12:14find yourself crossways with God, allow pride to be your fast friend. In contrary,
  145. 12:21what some may believe, but in real life practice, we know this is true.
  146. 12:29Professing faith in Christ does not absolve one from the capacity to cultivate a prideful
  147. 12:37disposition.
  148. 12:39It doesn't.
  149. 12:40It doesn't.
  150. 12:43God opposes the pride, but he gives grace to the humble.
  151. 12:46So what is the simple, nevertheless profound, and we should never conflate simplicity with
  152. 12:53a lack of profundity?
  153. 12:55The truth is the simple things of the Lord are deep when they're applied.
  154. 12:59You know, I've said before, you have people that often say, well,
  155. 13:01I'm looking for the deep things of God.
  156. 13:04The simple truth is the simple things of God are deep when applied.
  157. 13:09You know, simple things like he who controls his tongue,
  158. 13:16he masters his entire self.
  159. 13:19How many believers struggle with controlling the tongue?
  160. 13:23You know, a lot of times we focus on Hollywood sense,
  161. 13:27but we nurse, pet sins, you know, things like gossip,
  162. 13:32who I just wanna make sure everyone is informed.
  163. 13:34Really? Does that really?
  164. 13:36Does everybody need to know all of that?
  165. 13:38I just wanna make sure everybody understands what's going on.
  166. 13:43Why you wanna make sure everybody understands what's going on?
  167. 13:46And we don't understand that there are things
  168. 13:50that are transpired within us and don't even realize
  169. 13:55how it is such a divisive mechanism,
  170. 13:58that the unity that is supposed to exist and persist within the body of Christ is undercut
  171. 14:02because of the passing of gossip.
  172. 14:06What I'm saying, folks, very simply is what the word of God is saying.
  173. 14:09He who listens to life-giving reproof will dwell among the wise.
  174. 14:13Will dwell among the wise.
  175. 14:16He who neglects discipline despises himself.
  176. 14:20Let us be a people who seek to be among the wise.
  177. 14:24One of the ways we do so is by giving hearty ear to life giving reproof, recognizing that
  178. 14:32the Lord corrects those whom He loves.
  179. 14:35And there's not one among us.
  180. 14:38I'm the first to throw my hand up to say, man, I know for a fact I'm not perfect and I am
  181. 14:42grateful to God for His correction and for the people He sent my way, especially men of
  182. 14:47God He sent my way to help me by correcting me.
  183. 14:51gives ear to life-giving reproof. We're dwell among the wise.
  184. 14:55A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
  185. 15:04What if God wrote a book? Would you read it?
  186. 15:07Well, the fact is God did write a book and it's called the Bible and we have the privilege
  187. 15:11of reading it. The author of the Word of God is God our Heavenly Father. He used about
  188. 15:1740 or so Secretaries to write the Word of God. But God is the one that inspired every
  189. 15:22word of the word of God. So it's a book by God about God. The word of God is Jesus and
  190. 15:29Jesus is the word of God. And so from Genesis to Revelation, you're reading an autobiography,
  191. 15:35a book by God about God. And God continues to introduce Himself to us. And more and more,
  192. 15:41we come to know who Jesus is and his personality through the word of God.
  193. 15:47We live in a world where people read lots and lots of things, but the most important book in all
  194. 15:52of the world for you to read is the book written by the creator of the universe, the precious
  195. 15:57word of God.
  196. 16:06Shining light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
  197. 16:13Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third year.
  198. 16:16Man, oh man, oh man.
  199. 16:18So I didn't get into this yesterday.
  200. 16:23What is going on?
  201. 16:26What was going on with this Elon Musk, Donald Trump's bat?
  202. 16:34You know, it is ugly.
  203. 16:39It's public.
  204. 16:41It makes me think that if Thomas Jefferson and John Adams
  205. 16:46had the artist formerly known as Twitter back before,
  206. 16:53John Adams and Thomas Jefferson came to become fast friends.
  207. 16:58This is probably what it would look like,
  208. 17:00because man, if you just read some of the letters,
  209. 17:01those guys exchanged back and forth, man, it was nasty.
  210. 17:05But I think a part of the problem here is multifaceted.
  211. 17:08So first, we know that the whole Doge effort
  212. 17:13was employed for the express purposes
  213. 17:16of endeavoring to cut spending generally,
  214. 17:19but more specifically to reduce the deficit by trillion dollars.
  215. 17:22And so you can rightly understand if there's a measure that's proposed that is expected to
  216. 17:31heighten the deficit.
  217. 17:35And once again, hike the debt ceiling.
  218. 17:41And if the work you've just been doing have been promulgated to eliminate that kind of deficit,
  219. 17:48then you would be upset.
  220. 17:51Another factor that I think is spurring this on is the complete lack of confidence, individual
  221. 17:57citizens in this case, not individual sitting, but the American people, the lack of confidence
  222. 18:04that we have, and we have had in Congress to do anything with the runaway insane spending,
  223. 18:14the runaway spending on the con conversely, there's a reality of, and I said this like last
  224. 18:23some time. Oh, no, earlier this week, there is the desire to deal with the world as we would like it to be and dealing with the world as it is.
  225. 18:33As it is, the Republican Party has an extremely razor thin minority, sorry, a razor thin majority in the House of Representatives.
  226. 18:43They have a little bit more wiggle room in the Senate, but they do not have a filibuster proof majority in the Senate.
  227. 18:50then the question becomes what can be done.
  228. 18:52Then you have the kind of inside hockey congressional literacy
  229. 18:58that's necessary.
  230. 19:00So I'm going to try to make sense of all of this.
  231. 19:06A part of the problem, and I mentioned before,
  232. 19:08that there was a desire to see the doge spending cuts,
  233. 19:11as proposed, to see them codified into legislation.
  234. 19:15Here's the thing.
  235. 19:17And I still can't believe this, but this is what it is.
  236. 19:20The legislation is literally titled,
  237. 19:22The Big Beautiful Bill Act.
  238. 19:24That is literally the name of it.
  239. 19:27The Big Beautiful Bill has some things in it that I like.
  240. 19:30They have some things in it that I do not like.
  241. 19:32I've said that.
  242. 19:33That is the simple truth.
  243. 19:35All right.
  244. 19:38The facts are however, that the legislation is
  245. 19:41agenda legislation more so than it is a budgetary measure,
  246. 19:44simply because you cannot address
  247. 19:51or cannot cut discretionary spending
  248. 19:54via a reconciliation measure.
  249. 19:56That is the rules pursuant to Congress
  250. 20:02and the reconciliation provisions.
  251. 20:04This is why the reconciliation measure
  252. 20:10can proceed without regard for the filibuster
  253. 20:13because it's supposed to be a non-discretionary
  254. 20:18funding mechanism.
  255. 20:20And I think that is where the frustration is.
  256. 20:24That's where the frustration is.
  257. 20:26Because when you get into the weeds and recognize that,
  258. 20:30wait, a reconciliation bill is not where you address
  259. 20:34discretionary spending, then what immediately comes
  260. 20:37to the fore is, do you trust this Congress
  261. 20:41to codify the doge cuts in the discretionary spending
  262. 20:45later?
  263. 20:46And that's the whole rub.
  264. 20:49That's the whole rub.
  265. 20:50So you want, I want significant cuts in governance.
  266. 20:56I mean, servicing the national debt is out pacing our defense budget.
  267. 21:01Guys, this is insane.
  268. 21:02This is not something that is sustainable.
  269. 21:04No doubt about it.
  270. 21:05But you have this beef going on, and Bobby tells me I hadn't seen this because I've been, you
  271. 21:12know, speaking at this conference and navigating this, he says, musk has already come out and
  272. 21:17apologized for what he said.
  273. 21:19Okay, but there's some things, you know, some bells cannot be unrung.
  274. 21:23And certainly I would, I definitely want to see
  275. 21:25reconciliation between them two.
  276. 21:27That's not the issue.
  277. 21:28But more importantly, I think the American people need to be
  278. 21:32apprised of the details of the process.
  279. 21:34There are many, and the American people are largely,
  280. 21:39can largely be frustrated with a lack of understanding.
  281. 21:47Reconciliation packages don't include the ability
  282. 21:50to address discretionary spending.
  283. 21:52Here's the other thing.
  284. 21:54or weren't things like Obamacare passed in reconciliation.
  285. 21:59So you just have that palpable distrust
  286. 22:03of Congress undergirding all of this.
  287. 22:09You have that palpable frustration
  288. 22:11and that palpable distrust,
  289. 22:13undergirding all of this.
  290. 22:16The thing that concerns me more than all of it
  291. 22:20is that the movement that was refocusing
  292. 22:25the American populace on the far gone need to significantly cut spending is getting lost
  293. 22:36in kind of the soap opera of the spat.
  294. 22:42I understand that governing especially within margins is exceedingly difficult.
  295. 22:47I understand that.
  296. 22:51But at what point, and this is something I believe the American people share with me, at
  297. 22:55What point then do we do what was necessary?
  298. 22:57And we had a whole movement, the Tea Party movement
  299. 23:00that was snuffed out overnight,
  300. 23:02if we want to be honest by our establishment Republicans.
  301. 23:05The Democrats helped, but establishment Republicans
  302. 23:08are the ones who largely did that.
  303. 23:09And so there are a lot of people who was like,
  304. 23:11man, we didn't have that, what's going on now.
  305. 23:15And so with all of this happening,
  306. 23:17the thing that is most disheartening for me,
  307. 23:20is just simply the lack of maturity.
  308. 23:22Man, if you have a disagreement with a measure, that's fine,
  309. 23:25But the personal barbs, what is the point of that?
  310. 23:28To which the immediate response is,
  311. 23:29hey, if you talk about Donald Trump or personal barbs,
  312. 23:33yeah, that's kind of the whole,
  313. 23:35that's a part of the whole scenario.
  314. 23:40But I wanted to make sure that this audience knows,
  315. 23:42and this audience understands is that according
  316. 23:45to the congressional rules, reconciliation packages
  317. 23:50and reconciliation bills are not the proper vehicle
  318. 23:54for cuts to discretionary spending.
  319. 23:58It's not.
  320. 24:00So the question then becomes, okay,
  321. 24:03if and when this bill passes,
  322. 24:05if and when this bill passes,
  323. 24:07will there be cuts to discretionary spending?
  324. 24:12And I think that question is a legitimate question to ask.
  325. 24:18It's a legitimate question to raise,
  326. 24:20and it's a legitimate issue to press,
  327. 24:23to press into the conversation.
  328. 24:27And, you know, all of the statements I were made
  329. 24:31when Musk is campaigning for Trump,
  330. 24:32This is, you know, Western civilization is at stake.
  331. 24:35What are we going to do?
  332. 24:36What are we going to do?
  333. 24:37Did all of that stuff just go out of the window?
  334. 24:39You know, do those things no longer apply?
  335. 24:42And I will simply say they do apply.
  336. 24:44You know, when we're at the place when you have, you know,
  337. 24:47I've talked about this before, you have the Montgomery County
  338. 24:50School District in Maryland telling parents,
  339. 24:52including Christian parents, that we don't care
  340. 24:56if you have children that are elementary school age,
  341. 24:58that's young as four years old.
  342. 24:59And we have these readers that include everything
  343. 25:02concerning, including the sexual deviancy, sociopolitical agenda, all of this confusion,
  344. 25:07and say, no, we're not going to allow you to opt your children out. Yeah, yeah, I think
  345. 25:10these things are, are, are civilizationally threatening. No doubt about it. No doubt about
  346. 25:17it. Those things still persist. But the longer we have a populace who is largely ignorant as
  347. 25:26to all of these things, that type of the fierce activity will continue. Now, I want you to
  348. 25:36see something this was interesting to me because you have this representative Laura Freedman.
  349. 25:46And she's you know a congresswoman from California and she talked about this working group that
  350. 26:00lurks in the shadows in Washington DC.
  351. 26:02It consists of 70 to 75 members of the House of Representatives who will happen all being
  352. 26:07the same party with Representative Friedman, Democrat Party, and they meet with state AGs,
  353. 26:13and all they do is envision ways that they can fight against the Trump Administration.
  354. 26:21That's literally all they do. Listen to and watch clip number one. It's a clip one.
  355. 26:27Clip number one. Go. Every single week we have a litigation working group where a large
  356. 26:32group of us, and I'm talking there's maybe 75 members of the house, sit down every single
  357. 26:36week with the AGs to talk about legal strategy. This is all going on every single week behind
  358. 26:43the scenes. It is nonstop, nonstop talk, nonstop introduction of bills and legislation, nonstop
  359. 26:52being on social media as much as we can without being throttled and without the crazy analytics
  360. 26:56and doing all these things.
  361. 27:00up every week. They call it a litigation group every week nonstop. This is all they do. Man,
  362. 27:13this is what I'm this is the kind of political game banking I'm talking about. They're not
  363. 27:18meeting to see what can we do for the American people? What can we do to go forward? How do
  364. 27:22we work with this? They're meeting nonstop 70 to 75 members of the House of Representatives
  365. 27:27along with state attorney generals. And they call it a litigation group. And yet when people
  366. 27:37like me said talk about things like law
  367. 27:38fair and you have the record number of
  368. 27:41you know lawsuits filed and you have
  369. 27:43district court judges making these
  370. 27:45nationwide injunctions and when you see
  371. 27:48people like me saying man this is
  372. 27:50unconstitutional how we doing just so you
  373. 27:57know I don't know representative Friedman
  374. 28:00all right I didn't tell her to come out
  375. 28:03and say this and in fact she's speaking
  376. 28:06to a group that they're kind of proud
  377. 28:08of what they're doing like that's what
  378. 28:10What are you doing?
  379. 28:11What are you doing?
  380. 28:12What we elected you?
  381. 28:13You're getting paid.
  382. 28:14What tax dollars?
  383. 28:15What are you doing?
  384. 28:16Oh, every week we have a litigation group.
  385. 28:18We meet every week for one purpose and one purpose only.
  386. 28:22How can we thwart this agenda today?
  387. 28:26And I'm sharing this with you.
  388. 28:27Most of us know this.
  389. 28:29We envision these kind of things were happening, but have someone to come out and say this in
  390. 28:39a manner where it could be recorded, you know, the Internet is forever.
  391. 28:43And to put it out there just like that, I wanted you to see this and I wanted to present this
  392. 28:48and pit it against what I previously was talking about because it fortifies in punctuate really
  393. 28:56what I believe can be utilized as a distraction, as a distraction.
  394. 29:05Because the trajectory that we have been on as a nation is simply unsustainable.
  395. 29:10It cannot happen.
  396. 29:12You know, the whole idea, we're going to kick the can down the street, kick the can down the
  397. 29:16came down the street, we ultimately will end up with no more
  398. 29:19street. We'll ultimately end up with no more street. And this
  399. 29:26is where we are. Guys, this is where we are. So, you know, I
  400. 29:30hope and I pray that the whole musk Trump, tat spat rather is
  401. 29:35over. You know, and it really is bothersome to me, not surprising,
  402. 29:39but it's bothersome to me that we'll just, you know, yeah, you
  403. 29:45get a little upset just going and just, you know, talk about
  404. 29:49somebody's mama nobody did that literally but that's the kind of stuff they were doing
  405. 29:53you know like your mama jokes you know you know back on the blocks when I say something
  406. 29:57you really want to try to shut down what's going on and you want to provoke it or not shut
  407. 30:02down what's going on and provoke an escalation you know they drop your mama and anybody from
  408. 30:12where I'm from you hear that you know what that means what does that mean Jeff what does
  409. 30:14What does that mean?
  410. 30:16That means we've progressed, I'll just, here's the translation.
  411. 30:21We've progressed beyond the capacity to reasonably disagree about whatever substantive matter
  412. 30:26we have presented before us.
  413. 30:28And we've now progressed to the stage where, Pugilistic engagement is required.
  414. 30:35And this is what these dudes are doing, you know?
  415. 30:40You know like my bill?
  416. 30:42I'm gonna cancel government contracts with this fine. You're gonna cancel my government contracts, then I'm gonna do this
  417. 30:49You just mad because the bill includes an elimination of these you know EV mandate. It's just guys
  418. 30:56It's just it's it's it's it's sad and sickening. You know what what happened to how about let's put the country first
  419. 31:03What happened to that what happened to you know what's best for the nation America first?
  420. 31:08It's just petulant immaturity and it's on display
  421. 31:13for the world to see with some of the most powerful people in our country,
  422. 31:17the wealthiest man in the world currently, and the most powerful in the world,
  423. 31:24currently based on this position. Very, very galling, very, very galling. So in
  424. 31:33light of all of that, what do we do? Well, I encourage you to do what I encourage
  425. 31:40you to do daily, because as you hear me say what goes on in your house is more
  426. 31:46important than what goes on in the White House. What is going on in our homes?
  427. 31:49Are we prepared to navigate the storm that we're currently facing?
  428. 31:53You know, how is we look at the national debt?
  429. 31:58Where are we in our own homes in terms of debt?
  430. 32:01Can we sustain our lives to provide for our families going forward with, you know,
  431. 32:09record high inflation and other things of that nature?
  432. 32:12Or would we be overwhelmed by what is happening?
  433. 32:16When we see the craziness swirling around us,
  434. 32:19We shouldn't just, you know, stare at it and we know with gaped jaws going, oh, look at what's happening.
  435. 32:27We should be introspective simultaneously to recognize, wait a minute,
  436. 32:31God, what would you have me to do in light of what's happening there?
  437. 32:34How can I be fortified in what you've called me to do in this space where you have planted me?
  438. 32:39That is what should be provoked. And as you've heard me say numerous times, live locally. We know
  439. 32:46Know what's going on in DC?
  440. 32:47What's going on where we live?
  441. 32:49That should be our immediate response.
  442. 32:51More when we get back from the break.
  443. 32:53You're listening to The Hamilton Corner.
  444. 32:54On American Family Radio.
  445. 33:01Without even seeing them show up,
  446. 33:03I could feel like the darkness.
  447. 33:06Jamie Sanchez is another Christian business proprietor
  448. 33:09who has been targeted for his faith.
  449. 33:11His drip cafe was open to serve
  450. 33:14and help the homeless of downtown Denver.
  451. 33:16We believe sex outside of marriage
  452. 33:18and homosexuality is a sin.
  453. 33:20God's eyes and the enemy and his minions decided to use that as a platform.
  454. 33:26Jesus told us persecution would come.
  455. 33:30I would see them just the rage and the hate.
  456. 33:34I pictured them doing that at the foot of the cross to Jesus and I just remembered what he said.
  457. 33:42Forgive them father, they know not what they do.
  458. 33:44And so I had to position my heart that way.
  459. 33:47The Jamie Sanchez story is one of the videos of the Impact series at stream.afa.net.
  460. 33:53It's been a crazy, crazy ride. See Jamie's story and much more at stream.afa.net.
  461. 34:17such as antidepressants, anti-anxiety, and stimulants.
  462. 34:21And here's the troubling part.
  463. 34:23The material brain in the immaterial mind
  464. 34:25are wrongly considered to be one and the same,
  465. 34:28which means wrong and harmful treatments are administered.
  466. 34:31God's way to a sound mind is the right way.
  467. 34:34When we obey His command to be born again,
  468. 34:37we can then be, as Scripture says,
  469. 34:39transformed by the renewing of your mind.
  470. 34:42Here in most recent program with Greg Gifford,
  471. 34:45author of Lies My Therapist Told Me at TheChristianWorldView.org and then tuning this weekend as we discuss
  472. 34:51how to lead your family. Listen to The Christian World View with David
  473. 34:56Wheaton, Saturday mornings at 8 Central on American Family Radio.
  474. 34:59The Hamilton Quarter Podcast and One-Minute Common Terrets are available at AFR.net. Back
  475. 35:11to The Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio. Welcome back to The Hamilton Corner, Abraham
  476. 35:17Hamilton the third year, man, already in our final segment of the day. This is, this is,
  477. 35:27this is just funny to read. And it just confirmed with, with lots of people, constitutionalists
  478. 35:34have, have expressed, but the former press secretary, Colonel E. Jean-Pierre, Paulé-Vous
  479. 35:42I'm gonna say, oh my goodness, as you know, well, maybe you don't know this, but she's
  480. 35:49announced that she was so mortified, by the way, the Democrat Party treated Mr. Joseph
  481. 35:58Robin Ed Biden after his June debate that she is leaving the Democrat Party.
  482. 36:05Okay.
  483. 36:07She felt she said that it was a kill squad.
  484. 36:10So that's her words that descended upon the White House.
  485. 36:14All right.
  486. 36:15And come on in that descended upon the White House and she was just, she was just just just
  487. 36:25gobsmacked by it all.
  488. 36:27And so you had a bunch of staffers come on and say, what this woman is insane?
  489. 36:31She would have the ultimate meltdowns if anybody dared ask her a question that hadn't
  490. 36:37been pre-programmed for her to answer.
  491. 36:39And so what B. Well, like me is saying, I can't remember the last time we had a press secretary
  492. 36:43who was reading her answers to questions.
  493. 36:47They just confirmed all of that and saying, wait a minute, this woman would have the total
  494. 36:51meltdown.
  495. 36:52So for her to come out and act like, you know, she's this courageous crusader by announcing
  496. 36:57her departure from the Descartes party, it's like she's selling herself out literally for
  497. 37:05the money for the cash grab for a book because there's no other constituency in the case.
  498. 37:10country that's going to support her other than a Democrat party and it's just
  499. 37:15and I'm not surprised that's just been a part of who she has been for the longest
  500. 37:21which just made me chuckle because from the very beginning when it first saw her reading it was like
  501. 37:26this lady's not qualified for this job and she's following a circle back sake
  502. 37:31at least circle back sake was a let's circle back I believe that alone for a moment because I have
  503. 37:37the privilege to have one of my favorite people in the world frankly
  504. 37:41a best-selling author, a speaker, a host of the Heidi St. John podcast, maybe I'm giving
  505. 37:53away who I'm talking about, who is a firebrand, who is a person I believe with everything in
  506. 37:59me that God has. One of the people God has appointed for this particular time in our
  507. 38:04nation's history and in world history to help to calibrate us. You know, one of the things
  508. 38:09that often said the God dispatch people like Jeremiah to Judah prior to Babylonian exile,
  509. 38:16people like Habakkah who said specifically by name, there's a person coming from Babylon.
  510. 38:22But nobody listened to Jeremiah.
  511. 38:26He's called the weeping prophet because he wept so much because no one listened to Jeremiah.
  512. 38:32But what he said was absolutely true.
  513. 38:33I pray that we have the wisdom and the prudence to listen to Heidi St. John.
  514. 38:37Heidi, thank you for joining me here on the Hamilton Corner,
  515. 38:41especially after I know you just provided a keynote presentation
  516. 38:45to the over 2010 D's here at the ICHE Conference.
  517. 38:48Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner.
  518. 38:50So good to see you.
  519. 38:51Thanks for inviting me.
  520. 38:52My goodness.
  521. 38:53Thank you for accepting.
  522. 38:54This is such a treat.
  523. 38:54No, the treat is mine.
  524. 38:56We're texting earlier.
  525. 38:57Are you here?
  526. 38:57Yes.
  527. 38:58I know.
  528. 38:59I was signing books over there and I was like, shoot.
  529. 39:00I'm supposed to go over there with Ava.
  530. 39:01Yeah, no.
  531. 39:02It's just no problem at all.
  532. 39:03I mainly wanted to have you on.
  533. 39:05We all have a few moments and it's fine,
  534. 39:06about 13 minutes. But just to to to one kind of share what is God pressing upon you
  535. 39:14at this particular moment. I know you have all kind of things going on. And so even
  536. 39:18you being here is just a testament to your commitment to serving God's purposes
  537. 39:21with the time he's given you. And it's just it's really encouraging
  538. 39:26heartening to me. What are the things that are driving you?
  539. 39:29Well, I just have a passion for the rising generation of parents to keep their
  540. 39:34and the ball, right?
  541. 39:36And so we're seeing a shift in the culture right now.
  542. 39:39And we need to read the room and not miss it.
  543. 39:42And you know me, I have a tremendous love for politics.
  544. 39:45I want to see Christians engage in politics.
  545. 39:47I want to see us in the public square,
  546. 39:48but politics is not the answer.
  547. 39:51Jesus is the answer.
  548. 39:52And if we can engage this generation of parents especially,
  549. 39:58to stay in the fight, to raise their children,
  550. 40:00to love and serve the Lord.
  551. 40:01I mean, I've got grandkids now pretty quick.
  552. 40:03I'm gonna have eight grand babies.
  553. 40:04We're expecting twin grand girls any day, Emerson and Evelyn
  554. 40:08how to make their way into the world.
  555. 40:11And I got a lot to fight for.
  556. 40:13I got a lot to fight for.
  557. 40:15So I'm just going to stay out there and just try to remind
  558. 40:17parents like every battle that we are facing right now is
  559. 40:20spiritual in nature.
  560. 40:21Every battle you're struggling for your marriage, it's spiritual.
  561. 40:24You want to give up homes going, it's spiritual.
  562. 40:27You got a prodigal, it's spiritual.
  563. 40:29You're afraid to go to a library board meeting you spiritual.
  564. 40:32All these things are spiritual.
  565. 40:33Fear, not an emotion, fear is the spirit.
  566. 40:36And I'm wrestling with my own issues right now, obviously.
  567. 40:40And just to be reminded in my own life,
  568. 40:42like we're not called as God's people
  569. 40:45to succumb to a spirit of fear.
  570. 40:46Because we know God's given us everything we need
  571. 40:48for life and godliness, right?
  572. 40:49As in His word and His by His spirit,
  573. 40:51power, love and a sound mind.
  574. 40:53Just be gone.
  575. 40:54Man, it's so profound.
  576. 40:55I want to pick up on that part,
  577. 40:56but also something you said earlier,
  578. 40:57there's a shift in the culture in we,
  579. 41:00the body of Christ, need to be able to read the room.
  580. 41:02What is the shift that you see?
  581. 41:04Well, I think people are searching for truth,
  582. 41:05like they never have in the last probably 75 years, right?
  583. 41:09And so we see now an entire generation of young people
  584. 41:12starting to ask questions.
  585. 41:13I think the left has overplayed its hand, absolutely.
  586. 41:17We're asking stupid questions, like, what is a woman?
  587. 41:19And this young generation, particularly men,
  588. 41:23the white liberals still having a hard time.
  589. 41:24White liberal women, I should say, still having a hard time.
  590. 41:29But young men, especially, they smell a rat.
  591. 41:32And they're looking for truth.
  592. 41:34And they're looking for it on our college campuses.
  593. 41:36They're looking for it in the high schools now.
  594. 41:39We see a resurgence of it.
  595. 41:41And the church has to be here to be prepared to give an answer.
  596. 41:45And really that's where we blew it.
  597. 41:47We haven't been prepared to give an answer.
  598. 41:49The church has not done that.
  599. 41:50And so that's what I mean by read the room.
  600. 41:52Let's give an answer for the hope that lies at thinnest
  601. 41:55because everything that we need,
  602. 41:57God's word is already addressed.
  603. 41:59And so the church has the answers.
  604. 42:00the question is, are they going to show up?
  605. 42:02Do you think the, the, what you say, this is what we blew it, not providing an answer to
  606. 42:08those seeking questions?
  607. 42:09Do you think it is, you know, a feature of neglect not answering or could it be that we've
  608. 42:14been in such a, I'll say it, prosperous disposition where, where prior generations had to contend
  609. 42:23for truth as being a subsequent generation that simply can inherit truth that our sharpness
  610. 42:28to be able to provide those answers have been blunted to a degree, or maybe a combination?
  611. 42:31I think it's a combination. I'm just going to be out there and say I think a lot of it is just cowardice.
  612. 42:38I think you're right, we haven't had to contend for the faith in the public square, but also we gave it up.
  613. 42:44We seeded the territory. We did that in the 70s. We did that with Roe v Wade in 1973. We've done that
  614. 42:50in the last 50 years with the conversations we've had in this country, first around abortion,
  615. 42:57then around homosexuality, then around gay marriage,
  616. 42:59and the church has stumbled and fallen,
  617. 43:02and it's like that commercial, and I'll help, I fall,
  618. 43:04and I can't get up.
  619. 43:05That's how I see the church.
  620. 43:07How I fall, and I can't get up.
  621. 43:09Because we live in a generation of Christians
  622. 43:11that have been spoon fed, this sort of cultural Christianity,
  623. 43:15that says that it's all right to sacrifice truth
  624. 43:17and the altar of mercy.
  625. 43:18We know all of the lyrics, all the modern worship songs,
  626. 43:23but we don't know God's word, and we can't defend it.
  627. 43:26And it's a perfect storm, right?
  628. 43:27For the adversary to come in and go, you know,
  629. 43:30we probably should probably have a conversation
  630. 43:32about what a woman is,
  631. 43:33because maybe it's a social construct.
  632. 43:36And the church is like, yeah, this isn't our battle,
  633. 43:38except for it is.
  634. 43:40It is, but when do you see the church addressing it?
  635. 43:42Yeah, when you said that, you saw me on my face,
  636. 43:45I went, you know, because I immediately thought about John,
  637. 43:48behold him full of grace and truth.
  638. 43:51You know, like, what?
  639. 43:53sacrificing truth for a merc how that's not possible if we are
  640. 43:57following the lead of our Lord truth in grace love.
  641. 44:03They go hand in hand.
  642. 44:04You can have one without the other.
  643. 44:06Well, and so what we've done and the reason I say that,
  644. 44:08and I'm, that's my story, I'm sticking to it
  645. 44:11because I've watched the church in the Pacific Northwest
  646. 44:13now for 40 years.
  647. 44:15Say, well, because I love you and you do you
  648. 44:18and I don't wanna hurt your feelings
  649. 44:20and I don't want you to feel like I'm judging you.
  650. 44:23And they feel like it's the merciful thing to do
  651. 44:24to not tell the truth.
  652. 44:25And so that's why I say, I think we have sacrificed truth
  653. 44:28on the altar of a misguided mercy,
  654. 44:30thinking that if we do that,
  655. 44:32they're eventually gonna come to the truth on their own.
  656. 44:35How?
  657. 44:36They're not, well, they won't.
  658. 44:37And that's what's happened.
  659. 44:38We have absolutely lost, as believers, I think,
  660. 44:43our place in the public square.
  661. 44:44We gave it up.
  662. 44:46We ceded the territory.
  663. 44:47We decided to get out of politics, because it was dirty.
  664. 44:50We decided not to engage in the conversations
  665. 44:53around abortion and homosexuality,
  666. 44:54because we're never hurting
  667. 44:55but he's feelings.
  668. 44:55And after all, isn't that your business
  669. 44:56and what you do in your bedroom
  670. 44:58is your business and I don't see how it affects me,
  671. 45:00except now we see how it does.
  672. 45:02We have to be willing to tell the truth.
  673. 45:04Jesus did it.
  674. 45:05He operated in grace and truth.
  675. 45:07And when we operate in grace without truth,
  676. 45:12then we see destruction.
  677. 45:13And we operate in truth without grace,
  678. 45:16then we realize that all we really do is wound people.
  679. 45:19And the church has got to get this right.
  680. 45:21We have a moment to get it right.
  681. 45:24We see a shift in the culture.
  682. 45:25I think it's time to read the room and voices like yours out there saying, hey, we actually
  683. 45:30can do what God's equipped us to do because we were born for this time in human history.
  684. 45:35And if we'll just follow Jesus example, I think we're going to see major cultural and
  685. 45:40spiritual change in the country.
  686. 45:41I really do.
  687. 45:42Amen.
  688. 45:43You alluded to Second Timothy 2, 7, where when Paul said, for God has not given us a spirit
  689. 45:48of fear or timidity, but of power and love and to sound mind.
  690. 45:52And you know in our audience may recall that Paul's writing this to Timothy while he's incarcerated,
  691. 45:59awaiting an imminent, albeit uncertain, and he always is coming and doesn't know when
  692. 46:02it's happening because we know from our vantage point in church history, UCB's and others,
  693. 46:07Paul's ultimately executed in about 68 AD about a year after he's writing this to Timothy
  694. 46:13and he's writing this to Timothy from jail.
  695. 46:15You know and I can tell you as a former prosecutor ain't there's ain't no mail like jail mail
  696. 46:19You you know it came from jail is not no mistaken even in the first century. You know it came from jail, but
  697. 46:26Paul is writing to Timothy
  698. 46:28inevitably because
  699. 46:29It's gotten back to Paul that Timothy the boy he met who's now an elder in the church at Ephesus
  700. 46:36Getting his jail letters from Paul is now. It's like
  701. 46:39Do I really want to do this elder thing?
  702. 46:41You know, it was all sweet when it's sense.
  703. 46:44He could sense the fear in Timothy
  704. 46:46starting to hedge a little bit.
  705. 46:47But the Roman emperors killing Christians for sport.
  706. 46:49Yes, for sport.
  707. 46:50He knew his life was in danger.
  708. 46:51No doubt about it.
  709. 46:52And Tim and Paul writes to Timothy in the term he used for fear.
  710. 46:55Actually, is a pejorative in the first century.
  711. 46:57It is basically saying, listen, I'm in chains,
  712. 47:01but God ain't called us be punks.
  713. 47:03I'm just literally Paul is saying,
  714. 47:05God has not given us the spirit of fear.
  715. 47:06Yes, I'm in chains.
  716. 47:08Yes, I am facing execution and this is worth it.
  717. 47:11Yes.
  718. 47:12And he says to Timothy in the Greek phrasing,
  719. 47:14and be a joint sufferer with me because our cause is worth.
  720. 47:18If God has not given us the spirit of timidity of fear,
  721. 47:20but of power and love and the sound.
  722. 47:23And he said in that turn, power and love.
  723. 47:27The potency is not diminished by the love
  724. 47:29and the soundness of mind, the capacity
  725. 47:31to hold multiple things in tension at the same time.
  726. 47:35Yes, the reality is that my natural life
  727. 47:37may be required of me.
  728. 47:39Yes, it's worth it.
  729. 47:41the cause is worth it.
  730. 47:42Two things can be true at once.
  731. 47:43Yes.
  732. 47:43Yeah.
  733. 47:44And they must be true because as you said,
  734. 47:46there are lots of things happening in our personal lives.
  735. 47:48We all have stuff going on.
  736. 47:49It's true.
  737. 47:50Is our Lord not worth it?
  738. 47:53Is the cause not worth it?
  739. 47:55And so I'm saying all of that to say in a roundabout way,
  740. 47:58how can people listening to the show now, watching it right now,
  741. 48:02listening to us right now, how can and should they respond
  742. 48:06in their neck of the woods in light of the moment
  743. 48:08that we're in as you mentioned, there's a shift in the culture,
  744. 48:10people are clamoring for truth maybe more than they have in the last, you know, three quarters of a century
  745. 48:16how to respond to the moment.
  746. 48:17Well, I think we, I think our faith needs become a faith that speaks.
  747. 48:20I think our faith becomes, it has to be in the public square again.
  748. 48:23I think we have to be bold and full of grace and truth, but we, this is a time for boldness.
  749. 48:29The only answer to a bold line, you know, the Abraham, the only answer to a bold lie is bold truth.
  750. 48:34Amen.
  751. 48:34And so God's people are called to be bold.
  752. 48:36We are called to every sphere of influence.
  753. 48:37We belong in medicine.
  754. 48:38We belong in education.
  755. 48:39We belong in entertainment.
  756. 48:40We belong in politics.
  757. 48:42And as we've ceded the territory and we saw this in the
  758. 48:45Ronah, right, we saw this in COVID, as we the church, as we
  759. 48:49succumbed to the spirit of fear, we lost our power, we lost our
  760. 48:52love and we lost our soundness of mind.
  761. 48:55That's what fear does.
  762. 48:56This is no time for fear.
  763. 48:57I keep thinking of that phrase, you know, no country for old
  764. 48:59men.
  765. 49:00And I'm like, this is no country for cowards.
  766. 49:03God calls us to the front lines of the culture of wars.
  767. 49:05We have got to be speaking the truth boldly without apology,
  768. 49:08remembering that at the end of this life, we don't answer to the
  769. 49:12people around us. We answer to the Lord. That's right. He'll
  770. 49:14query. That's right. Whatever we've done with the time he's
  771. 49:17given us. That's right. Come on. This thing, and I want people
  772. 49:20to understand this boldness is not synonymous with value. Just
  773. 49:24because you're loud doesn't make you right. Yeah. Well, I mean,
  774. 49:29are you sure? You'd be loud and wrong. But what God wants from
  775. 49:32us is to be bold and to be loud when necessary. Not unnecessarily
  776. 49:37not to be obtuse and not just make noise for the sake of making noise, but I will say
  777. 49:43The spirit of God makes us bold as a lion. We're not trying to pick fights
  778. 49:47We shouldn't be running from any either, you know, and the moment the culture comes and tells us
  779. 49:51Oh, no, we don't know what the woman is a child doesn't know whether they're a boy or a girl
  780. 49:56This is not a cultural conversation. It's attacking the authority of God's word
  781. 50:00It's a biblical conversation and this is politics to you people keep saying all this political. I'm no it's biblical
  782. 50:05is biblical. 99.9% of the issues that we vote toward on the ballot are biblical at their root.
  783. 50:12Their biblical issues, spiritual battles require spiritual weapons. Amen. Why in the world are we
  784. 50:18continuing to send people to the front lines of spiritual battles who cannot wield spiritual weapons?
  785. 50:23Why are we doing that? And we're watching what's playing out right with Trump and Elon right now,
  786. 50:26like a bunch of little kids in the sandbox. And I'm like, grow up. And then it remembers,
  787. 50:31Oh, hey, spiritual battle.
  788. 50:33Heidi St. John, everybody, visit HeidiStJohn.net if you want to hear more from Heidi.
  789. 50:40The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
  790. 50:45Family Association or American Family Radio.

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