March 14, 2025 · 49:17

Pastor Joseph Parker, host of The Hour of Intercession on AFR, returns to “The Corner.”

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0:00 - 15:00. Psalm 139:13-16. God is the author of life. The Creator’s imaging demands respect. 15:00 - 31:00. Pastor Joseph Parker, host of The Hour of Intercession on AFR, returns to “The Corner.” 31:00 - 48:00. Divine Providence led to Roe and Casey being overturned. There is still much to be done to establish a life respecting culture in America. or call 877-558-0333 or call: 800-326-4543 To donate call : 877-616-2396

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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:02It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:10It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be His ambassador.
0:23Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28And now the Hamilton Corner.
0:31Good evening, everybody.
0:33Welcome to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton.
0:36The third is my name, hence the description of in the corner.
0:40You know, and I don't think I've ever talked about this on the radio.
0:43The reason why we ended up naming the show the Hamilton Corner
0:47is growing up in New Orleans.
0:49And all my New Orleans people are going to know what I'm talking about.
0:51We had neutral grounds.
0:54A lot of people don't know what that is.
0:55What is a neutral ground?
0:57and in many of the streets you had a segment of the street that divided the two different
1:05directions traveling on the street and the neutral ground divided them and in some areas
1:10we had corners or some people might say corn this and that's where a lot of
1:16you know the older gentleman in our community my community in particular where I grew up used
1:21used to hang out, they would have the crates turned over,
1:24with a makeshift table, sometimes playing dominoes,
1:27playing cards, but that's where they would have conversations
1:31about the things that were transpiring in our neighborhoods.
1:33And so that imagery really stuck with me as I've grown up.
1:36And so I envision when we open the microphones
1:41for this program, really I'm gathering with a few
1:44of our friends conversing about the issues of the day
1:47And the thing that is most enduring on my heart
1:52is for the gospel to be proclaimed,
1:57and for the people of God to be passionately
2:00and intentionally committed to making disciples.
2:02And so what we seek to accomplish through this program
2:04is to establish a biblical framework,
2:08a biblical grid through which we navigate
2:11the issues of the day, not setting the scripture aside,
2:14but allowing God's transcendent and enduring word
2:18to be our foundation through which we navigate
2:21the issues of the day.
2:22So I envision the season, gentlemen in my neighborhood,
2:28but instead of just being there,
2:30being anchored in scripture and enabling others
2:33to come to the corner and to get wisdom.
2:36So that's kind of where it all came from.
2:38And I don't know if I've ever explained that on the program,
2:41but that is my desire for this show over time,
2:43especially for those who've listened for all the years
2:46we've been on the radio, that we are able to establish
2:52and cultivate a biblical understanding
2:57and navigate life from that posture.
3:00Some days I feel like we're more effective than others,
3:02but that is the ultimate objective of the program.
3:05So at this very moment, as many of you are making your transition
3:08from your part-time jobs to your full-time jobs,
3:11I want to remind you to make that transition
3:13with intentionality, understanding the reality
3:17that what goes on in your house is far more important
3:20than what goes on in the White House
3:22and have a Holy Spirit-induced empowerment
3:27about yourself to recognize that one person
3:30can make a difference, that you have the wherewithal
3:34to shape what goes on in your neck of the woods.
3:38What happens in your area of our country,
3:40you have the capacity to influence it and shape it.
3:43So I want to encourage you to do so with that intentionality.
3:46Today we're going to have a conversation,
3:49one that is continually important.
3:55But as always, as I just referred to a few moments,
3:57we want to have this conversation anchored in God's holy word.
4:01So as you're making your transition,
4:04recognize the primacy that God places on family.
4:07Understand your ability to be salt and light
4:12where God has planted you.
4:13And to embrace the primacy that He's placed on family
4:17and allow that to inform your engagement
4:19as you live locally.
4:21Refuse to allow the things that are transpiring
4:25on the national stage and then on the international stage
4:28to manipulate you away from being faithful
4:31where God has deposited you.
4:32The phrase that's often employed is bloom
4:36where you have been planted.
4:37Bloom where you have been planted.
4:39Today we're going to begin the program in Psalm 139,
4:43which is a Psalm of David.
4:45And it's a very familiar Psalm,
4:48but I'm going to focus on a particular portion of it.
4:51And I want to show you a particular portion of the Psalm
5:00that shows the consistency in God's word
5:04that starts all the way back in the book of Genesis,
5:06Psalm 139, verses 13 through 16
5:10where we're going to go. Psalm 139 verses 13 through 16 and this is what the Word of God says,
5:18For you formed my inward parts. You knitted me together in my mother's womb. I praise you for I am
5:26fearfully and wonderfully made. Wonderful are your works. My soul knows it very well.
5:33My frame was not hidden from you when I was formed or being made in secret, intricately woven or
5:41skillfully wrought in the depths of the earth.
5:44Your eyes saw my unformed substance.
5:48In your book, we're written every one of them,
5:50the days that were formed for me.
5:54When as yet, there was none of them.
6:01Now, one of the things I wanna point out from this song
6:03is in there are lots of people
6:06who have all kinds of arguments
6:09and even to try to manipulate and twist the scriptures
6:11away from the truth.
6:13That God's word teaches and science confirms that the genesis of life transpires at conception.
6:21All of the DNA information, the deoxyribose nucleic acid that has all of the data that
6:29you will ever be.
6:31It comes into being at conception.
6:34The DNA code includes all of the information at conception what your eye color will be,
6:39your hair color, your hair texture.
6:41You know, the length of your fingers, your foot size, and full adulthood and maturity,
6:47all of that stuff, the information is there at conception.
6:50I describe it as that is where stage one humanity is introduced.
6:56At that very moment, everything you will be is present in your DNA strand, is present
7:00in your DNA code.
7:02What happens is that our frame, our physical frame begins to develop and mature in the direction
7:10that the information was made available at conception.
7:16The process even of having the embryo,
7:21that's the product of the fertilized egg,
7:22implanted in the uterus is also a part of the life process,
7:27but the implantation does not initiate
7:30the life process conception does, all right?
7:33The scriptures bear this out.
7:36Science confirms what the scripture says.
7:38There's even scientists have used the wonders of technology
7:42to even identify that there is literally like a lightning bolt
7:46flash that transpires within the mom when conception
7:50takes place.
7:51I mean, it's amazing how it happens.
7:54But I want you to see something from the text
7:57that it just once again shows God's genius in showing
8:02that there's an analogous reality between conception
8:07and the creation of the Earth.
8:09And I'm going to show you what I'm talking about.
8:11In Psalm 139 verse 16, and there's no way David could know this, but this is what David writes.
8:19Your eyes saw my unformed substance with David is alluding to.
8:27And again, he didn't have the capacity to examine the cell and to examine the fertilization process
8:32as we do now. But David by the Spirit of God, God is able to say that I was present substantial.
8:40substantially. My substance was present before it was formed. But the formlessness of my presence
8:49did not negate my existence. Though I'm not formed, I'm right there. You know, lots of people talk
8:57about the presence of the heartbeat and all of these things. But even before the heart begins beating,
9:01the heart's information is there in the DNA code. It's there from conception. If you toggle
9:08I'm going to go over to Genesis chapter one.
9:11I'm going to read verses one and two,
9:13but I'm going to focus on verse two
9:14because I want you to see this commonality,
9:19which I know that God did intentionally
9:23and recorded it for our benefit so that we might understand.
9:28The scripture says, in the beginning God,
9:30Hebrew term, there's Elohim.
9:31In the beginning, Elohim created the heavens,
9:35the Greek term, I'm sorry, the Hebrew term there is Shamayim.
9:38In the beginning, Elohim created the Shamayim and the earth.
9:42And the earth was without form and void.
9:47And darkness was over the face of the deep.
9:51And the Spirit of God, the Ruach Elohim,
9:55hovered over the face of the waters.
9:58In the beginning of verse two,
10:01I will do one and two again.
10:03In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
10:08Genesis 1 1 announces the reality of the creation of the heavens and the earth and
10:15also the inauguration of what we know as
10:18time
10:19Verse 2 then goes on to focus in on
10:22the earth aspect of God's creation when he says
10:26The earth was without form in void. All right, so the earth is created
10:32It is substantially brought into existence in Genesis 1 1 is recorded in 1 1
10:38Genesis chapter 1 verse 2 indicates that though the earth
10:43had been brought into existence, God intentionally brings it into existence,
10:48and the Hebrew expression is formless and void.
10:52The earth is brought into existence formlessly and unfilled.
10:58That's what it means, sorry, the Hebrew term means when it says the earth was without form
11:01and void.
11:02The Hebrew term literally translates as unformed and unfilled.
11:08God intentionally brings the earth into existence,
11:11yet it is unformed and unfilled.
11:16Almost identically to what David records in Psalm 139
11:21as to what happens with humankind.
11:24He says, verse 16 again,
11:26your eyes saw my unformed substance.
11:32There have been many who attempt to
11:34derogate from biblical truth and scientific truth frankly,
11:38to say, oh, that's not a baby, it's not a child.
11:41Even try to, I've explained it before,
11:43try to use Latin to conceal the fact
11:45that the unformed baby is nevertheless still a baby
11:51by saying, oh, no, it's not a human yet, it's a fetus.
11:54The word fetus simply means baby in Latin, that's all it means.
11:58So you ain't slick by trying to change languages
12:03to try to conceal what is evident.
12:07Your eyes saw my unformed substance,
12:09The earth was without form.
12:12The earth was unformed and unfilled,
12:15yet the earth was existent.
12:18Why?
12:19In the beginning God created the earth.
12:23The created earth was unformed and unfilled.
12:26Your eyes Psalm 139 verse 16 saw my unformed substance.
12:30Simply put, what I'm simply communicating, ladies and gentlemen,
12:33that the state of formation of the innocent image bearer of God
12:41does not change or denigrate or diminish or deny the fact that there's a baby, that it is a baby.
12:51And we as human beings have employed all manner of euphemisms, all manner of explanation,
12:58all manner of articulation to deny the simple truth that life begins at conception.
13:05So when we with all of our technological innovation and with all of our ability to use big words to lie with all of the legal spheres previous recognition of a lie promulgated as if it was law in the form of Roe versus Wade and Planned Parenthood versus Casey, just really are efforts to sanitize, which is nothing but outright barbarism.
13:33The state of formation of the child doesn't change the fact that it's a child.
13:38Whether it's eight weeks, whether it's a heartbeat present or sort of heartbeat demonstrable.
13:43You know, and I don't mean that to nullify the reality that you do have stillborn circumstances,
13:52complications in the womb, but none of those things are synonymous with the intentional, premeditated
13:59homicide of an innocent unborn child.
14:03Your eyes saw my unformed substance.
14:06The state of formation doesn't take away from the fact that the person is there.
14:10The earth was created, unformed, and unfilled.
14:14The lack of formation doesn't take away from the fact that the earth was there.
14:19I'm saying all of this to say that we need to have an opening of our eyes
14:25and an opening of our hearts to understand and to embrace
14:31with God has done with the creation of life.
14:36We cannot call ourselves a civilized society
14:39while simultaneously allowing for participating in
14:44and advocating for in some instances
14:46the intentional unfettered homicide
14:49of innocent unborn children.
14:51That is barbarism.
14:53Is barbarism outside of the womb?
14:55And is barbarism when it transpires inside of the womb?
14:58Are you tired of all the un-Christ-like stuff out there today?
15:04Great.
15:05I am too.
15:06But let's talk about something else.
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15:15available at the AFA Resource Center.
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15:29and lesson plans with DVDs like The God Who Speaks and Materials from the AFA Cultural
15:34Institute, the Resource Center is a great place for materials for you, your friends, or your
15:40church.
15:41But really, if you're tired of unsubstantial, un-Christlike stuff, you should check out the
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15:48Find it at resources.afa.net.
15:51That's resources.afa.net.
15:55settle for a distracted culture that sets your mind on things above.
16:04Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
16:10Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton. The third is my name and I am delighted
16:16to have in studio with me my guest who I must introduce properly. My guest is the host of the
16:27hour of intercession right here on the American Family Radio Network. He's also the director
16:32of outreach and intercession for the American Family Association. He's also the pastor of
16:37Ebenezer AME Church. That is the African Methodist Episcopal Church in Benton, Mississippi. And
16:44he alongside his lovely wife, Sister Birdie, is the founder and chairman of the Pregnancy
16:52care and hope center. My guest is none other than Pastor Joseph Parker. He and his lovely
16:57wife sister, Bertie, to have six children, three grandchildren, and we are here to have
17:05one of, if not the most important conversations we can have to talk about the reality of the
17:11things that face us concerning the sanctative human life and what must be done. Not can,
17:16what must be done in order to have a culture that reflects the heartbeat of God concerning
17:21how we view and approach the reality of human life.
17:23Pastor Joseph, thank you for your willingness
17:27to come onto the program and more importantly,
17:28thank you for your commitment to our Lord
17:30over all the time you've been serving him
17:32and bringing this issue to the fore
17:35as consistently as you've done,
17:37especially since I've known you,
17:38but I know you've been doing this even before you
17:40and I have met.
17:41Hey man, well Abe, I appreciate the opportunity
17:43to be on you with you on the broadcast, amen.
17:45No, it is certainly certainly my pleasure.
17:48I want to start by explaining to people, letting people know a bit more what is the pregnancy
17:55care and hope center and what you do through that ministry.
17:59Okay.
18:00Well, after having passed it over a period of years, a number of years in the Mississippi
18:05Delta, I was a part of a group of people that saw a need for an additional pregnancy ministry.
18:11As big as the Mississippi Delta is, there were very few there.
18:16we were talking, discussing, but nothing was really happening amongst the group.
18:20And at a certain point, just really heard the Lord say to us, you start one and
18:25didn't really expect to hear that because I'm busy like everybody's busy and I've
18:29never done anything quite that way.
18:31But once we got clarity, that's what the Lord wanted us to do.
18:33We embarked upon what I would call a miraculous journey.
18:37My wife, Bertie and I helped to set up a 501c3 on a board and we began to raise the
18:42money for a mobile medical pregnancy clinic. God raised $191,000 and we bought one and
18:48a couple years ago my wife and I flew to Akron and drove that mobile unit back to Mississippi.
18:53It's been up and running in Greenwood, Mississippi for a little over a year now and just last
18:59week we started our schedule serving in the Mississippi Valley State community which
19:03is also in the Delta. We're scheduled to start our schedule in Greenville, Mississippi next
19:09and so it's expanding, moving forward.
19:11And so God is really, really blessed.
19:14I would say though, along with that,
19:16I'm a little frustrated with the local church
19:23in some regards and thank God for those that have stepped up.
19:26But the fact is, in our culture,
19:29your average pregnancy clinic is poorly funded.
19:32That's true in all 50 states.
19:34Now there are exceptions and praise God for those
19:36because some are well-funded and well taken care of.
19:39But the fact is, there's so many churches,
19:42churches should be looking for pregnancy clinics to say,
19:45how can we help?
19:46And in so many times you have churches
19:49in a given community, so many that if each of them
19:51just simply put them in their budget,
19:53they could easily meet their responsibilities,
19:56but I recall having a conversation some years ago
19:59with probably what is the busiest pregnancy clinic
20:02in the state of Mississippi.
20:04And they'd recently had a survey
20:06where they'd learn that they're about 500 or so churches in that part of the state.
20:11I asked, how many churches support you financially?
20:14And she gave kind of a pitiful chuckle.
20:16She said 13.
20:17Well, you know, the tragedy behind that is we as God's people are much too laid back about
20:24the fact that in our society, it's legal murder babies.
20:28Now even in states like in Mississippi, you know, yes, praise God, it's been outlawed
20:33basically.
20:34reality is we've had 50 years to where people have developed a cultural perspective that it's
20:41okay to murder babies and now sadly your average pregnancy clinic regularly sees abortion minded
20:47women in all 50 states.
20:49And I want to talk about that but I want, I definitely want to talk about that.
20:53I want to make sure people understand before we go into that what all is available through
20:58the mobile unit because some people may not, I know what a mobile unit is and you know what
21:03mobile unit is right but they're many people listening who may not know what
21:07was available to the mobile unit we're a mobile medical clinic in so far as we
21:11park in certain communities we have three target communities in the Mississippi
21:15Delta Greenwood Mississippi Valley State University in Greenville. Greenville is
21:20the largest city and we're about to start our schedule there but have been in
21:23Greenwood for about the last year and two months we provide free pregnancy
21:30tests, free ultrasounds, give away free baby items, and basically help.
21:36The goal is to always encourage the woman to either keep her baby or consider adoption,
21:42and of course we share the gospel through the work that we do as well.
21:47Because it's mobile, we have the opportunity to serve multiple communities.
21:50And so it's been going well.
21:51The Lord has been blessing.
21:53And our website is deltaPCHC.org if you want more information.
21:58Please learn more about the work we're doing because our staff, four precious ladies, do an excellent job of really
22:04Ministring the women who find themselves expecting a baby at a tough time.
22:09DeltaPCHC.com.org.org.
22:13DeltaPCHC.org is the website. Jeff, would you please include that in the show notes for the program?
22:20Now I want to get back to what you expressed really as a passion and really honestly a bit of frustration
22:26because there's not the appropriate urgency
22:31in the effort to preserve life in our country.
22:36And eluded to in the state of Mississippi,
22:39effectively surgical abortion largely has been outlawed.
22:43There are no more surgical abortion clinics in the state,
22:46but that doesn't mean that there aren't innocent babies
22:49being killed in the state
22:51because there has been a surge in chemical abortions.
22:54you know in the state
22:56a puts in a way across the country not just in the state right right
22:59what many people don't know is that
23:01plan parenthood in the other side was well prepared for the overturn rovie way
23:05they've been planning for it for years and so the fact is even when rovie way
23:09was overturned
23:11most abortions were chemical abortions even at that point and that has only
23:14increased since that
23:16also the fact that when rovie way was overturned which again i want to be clear
23:20that was a good thing a great thing about a miraculous thing i would say in many
23:24Anyways, yet the sad reality is it emboldened the other side to become more zealous for their
23:30cause.
23:31And since that time, I think right about 17 state initiatives have happened since then,
23:36where they're trying to further promote the tragedy of abortion of the 1714 past.
23:42Yeah, at the state level.
23:43And so, it's a big level.
23:44So, people can understand, contrary to propaganda disseminated by lying national media, President
23:51And Trump didn't outlaw abortion, but the Supreme Court decision and overturning Roe versus
23:55Wade and Planned Parenthood versus Casey simply did is allow for states to determine what their
24:02policy will be on this front.
24:04Prior to Roe, in Casey being overturned, states didn't have the wherewithal to determine that.
24:10So now states can determine whether or not they're going to allow it into your point.
24:15State ballot initiatives, efforts to enshrine and state constitutions have happened following
24:20row and many of them have passed. Exactly. State legislation. And in addition to that,
24:26unfortunately through sometimes illegal dissemination of these chemical abortion pills through the mail,
24:34people in states that their law doesn't allow for surgical abortions, but you still have chemical
24:39abortions occurring. And one of the most important things, and I think this is something that's often
24:43lost in the conversation. When you have 50 years of a society being cultivated to allow
24:51a slaughter of children, one Supreme Court decision overturning the previous Supreme Court
24:56president doesn't change the heart and minds of people on the issue automatically. So we still have
25:02a prevalently abortion minded populace that pursues the chemical abortions. So what are
25:08our passage of what is a chemical abortion?
25:12Well, of course, it's in our society, typically.
25:15It's a two regimen procedure that women take,
25:18the first pill, which of course, first pill,
25:21and then they take a second pill as well.
25:23And it's the sad reality, they're so easily accepted,
25:27they're so easy to get.
25:28High school girls can easily obtain them by way of mail.
25:32I think they say there's 70 outlets, literally,
25:34whereby women can get the abortion chemical pills.
25:38And so they're easily obtainable.
25:40And there means whereby a woman basically,
25:43she makes her own home, an abortion clinic.
25:45And she can take them in the quietness of her home.
25:47Now, there are serious complications
25:49that have happened very often with them.
25:51And people don't really try to play that down.
25:55But the fact is, for often, women
25:58have pretty horrific experiences by using them at home.
26:01Yet sadly, that's the way the majority of abortions
26:04are happening in our culture today.
26:05Yet the case in Georgia not too long ago
26:07where the young lady ingested the abortion pills,
26:12suffered complications and ultimately ended up passing away.
26:15And then there was some who were trying to say,
26:17oh, that was because Georgia's laws were hostile
26:19to surgical abortions, had nothing to do with Georgia's laws,
26:22it had everything to do with her consumption of these pills
26:26in the privacy of our own home, like you mentioned,
26:28and then experienced some complications,
26:30ended up ultimately passing away due to that.
26:34And that is not an uncommon experience, unfortunately.
26:38Exactly.
26:38And initially, of course, the chemical appeals
26:42are terrible things.
26:43They're traits tragic that they're available.
26:45But initially, when they were first rolled out years ago,
26:48they were supposed to be overseen carefully by a doctor.
26:52And now, sadly, women can diminish them by themselves.
26:55And they've had too many tragic results
26:58as a result of ingesting them.
27:01So one of the huge needs, Abe, in our culture
27:03is for the church to get much more aggressive about number one,
27:07educating ourselves about what's going on,
27:09because many believers are still thinking,
27:12well, Roe v. Wade was overturned, and so I mean,
27:15what else do I need to do?
27:16Well, again, in no way downplaying the importance
27:20of overturning Roe v. Wade, but there's so much more
27:22that we need to be doing, and again, we
27:25see the other side has been super zealous in carrying out
27:28their work, and so the need is for us
27:30to educate the church to know what chemical abortions
27:33are because sooner or later, it will be a reality that will come across our paths.
27:38But also, abortion pill reversal is a wonderful thing that's out there that's available that God
27:45has used to save a lot of babies. But there are a lot of believers who don't even know what
27:49chemical abortion is, much less abortion pill reversal. So the church deciding that,
27:54yes, it's our responsibility to in workshops and other settings, educate our people as to what's
28:00going on and how we can get involved in helping to counter that.
28:04Yeah. And with the chemical abortions, and I'm not a physician, but with the chemical abortions,
28:10what often occurs with the two step process with the pill consumption is that it is a synthetic
28:16intentional reduction of the natural hormone progesterone really to deprive the baby of continued
28:24sustenance from the mob via the placenta. And then it blocks that hormone. It blocks
28:28that hormone and then the second and then ultimately to provoke really almost like a miscarriage.
28:34Right.
28:35But abortion pure reversal, what is abortion pure reversal?
28:39It's a wonderful opportunity that and I should mention Heartbeat International is the ministry
28:44that pretty much is really taking the lead in administering that basically.
28:49let me just mention their website is abortion pill reversal dot com and an eight hundred number
28:55to call one eight seven seven five five eight zero three three I had the privilege of having
29:02miss Brooke my Rick she's a health care team manager with the abortion pill reversal network
29:07but basically what they what happens is if a woman is taking the first pill abortion pill
29:14and then she regrets it which actually is very common that she realizes she's made a mistake
29:19Well, if caught within the first 24 to 48 hours, very often that baby can be saved.
29:25And what happens is, for example, if she finds out about the network, she calls the number,
29:31they will help locate a local physician that could administer the abortion pill reversal
29:38pills.
29:39And what happens is, just again, I'm not a doctor either, but it kind of reintroduces
29:46progesterone, which may very well be able to help save the baby, not 100% of the time,
29:52but 60 to 70% of the time.
29:54If caught on time, the baby can be saved.
29:57And there's some wonderful testimonies.
29:59We have the privilege of having Ms. Brooke Myrick on actually on the broadcast early this
30:02morning.
30:04And along with her sharing about the network, she shared some wonderful testimonies of women
30:09who took the first pill, but then immediately regretted it and how they contacted the abortion
30:15Poreversal Network. They were connected to a doctor who administered it to them and the
30:20babies were saved and beautiful stories of women who were able to reverse what was going
30:25on. And so, but what should be happening is the church needs to trumpet abortion, Poreversal,
30:31all over the place because the fact is most abortions are chemical. And so the fact, see
30:36now, of course, obviously the other side doesn't want you to know that the abortion, Poreversal
30:41exists, but we need to be trumpeting it all over the place because anyone can give the hotline,
30:47which again, what happens is they contact a local physician who can help that young woman.
30:54There's so much that can be done. The scripture tells us the Lord said that he
31:00established his church and deposited in the earth to be the pillar and ground of truth.
31:04There's so much more that the church can do. You've already alluded to the necessity of educating
31:09themselves and even joining up and supporting financially crisis pregnancy resource centers,
31:17pregnancy resource centers, pregnancy ministries, ministries, ministries, what more can the church
31:24do to help in this regard? Well, you know, Abe, I want to kind of double down on that for this reason.
31:31The pregnancy clinics have grown in numbers, huge numbers, and I think many times it's because God
31:36is put on the hearts of individuals to start them in communities.
31:40But I believe what needs to happen is,
31:42I want to challenge every single listener
31:44to go to the Lord and pray and say,
31:46Lord, show me what you want me to do
31:49and pray for your church too.
31:50Because I think what churches need to do
31:52is they need enlarged numbers, adopt pregnancy clinics,
31:55and help fund them and support them in a much bigger way.
31:58Because when they're well funded,
32:00there's so much more they can do.
32:03And the fact is, there are lots of women out there
32:05who find themselves expecting babies in tough circumstances and they feel helpless.
32:10The pregnancy clinic is in position to help make a huge difference there.
32:15I want to pick up right there on this other side of the break. My guest is Pastor Joseph Parker,
32:20Director of Outreach and Intercession here at the American Family Association. He's also the host
32:24of the Hour of Intercession that can be heard right here three to four a.m. on the American Family
32:29Radio Network. He's also the Chairman of the Board for the Pregnancy Care and Hope Center and
32:34and pastor of Ebenezer, Ami Church and Benton, Mississippi.
32:37We're gonna talk more about this pivotal, pivotal issue
32:42and the need for the body of Christ to be the hands
32:45and feet of Jesus to man our lanes.
32:48What would the Lord have us do individually?
32:51What would the Lord have our local assemblies to do?
32:53Can we, our local assemblies adopt a pregnancy ministry
32:57in our neighborhoods?
33:00John the Baptist and Jesus gave the same command.
33:03Repent for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
33:07Repentance is a reorientation toward God,
33:09resulting in a change in actions.
33:12Since our sins were fully accounted for in Jesus' death,
33:16repentance is not about earning forgiveness,
33:19but about receiving the forgiveness
33:20already secured through Jesus Christ.
33:23I'm Jordan Shambly,
33:24and you can read the rest of A Life of Repentance
33:27on thestand.net.
33:34The Hamilton Quarter Podcast
33:36and One-Bitted Commentaries are available
33:38at AFR.net, back to the Hamilton Corner
33:42on American Family Radio.
33:44Welcome back, welcome back to the Hamilton Corner,
33:47Abraham Hamilton III here in studio with Pastor Joseph Parker
33:50and we are having a conversation about life.
33:53What more must the church in America do to fight
33:57for the preservation of innocent image bearers of God
34:02and along these lines, Pastor Joseph,
34:04between just doing the break we were talking about,
34:06the necessity of the church really,
34:08challenging men to step up to the plate,
34:13to not merely procreate, but to father,
34:15and to refuse to be, I'll speak in legal terms,
34:20to be a co-conspirator to homicide
34:23by encouraging the termination of innocent human life.
34:26What were you saying about that,
34:28and the need for churches to encourage men in this way?
34:30Well, you know, of course, it's a discipleship issue.
34:32Disciples men to basically honor God
34:35in the way they court a woman and marry her before he's involved sexually.
34:40One of the 10 commandments you shall not commit adultery.
34:42The fact is sex outside of marriage is sin, 100% of the time.
34:45Challenging men to understand.
34:48If you love her and marry her before you're involved with her physically sexually.
34:52Well, but if that doesn't happen, the fact is men should take care of their responsibility.
34:57In so many ways, too often we've allowed the kingdom of darkness to set the narrative.
35:04The fact is, many times the other side has said,
35:07well, it's a woman's issue, men should stay out of it.
35:09Well, that's a foolish thing to say,
35:11because there's a man in the picture.
35:12It's not a woman's issue to make a baby.
35:14It's a man in the picture, 100% of the time.
35:16100% of the time.
35:17And many times, the men are the engines behind
35:20so many abortions.
35:21Often the woman, either she's on the fence
35:23or she wants to keep the baby.
35:24But if her boyfriend tells her,
35:26you're gonna get an abortion,
35:27she will do exactly what he says.
35:29And so yet, many times, he's in the background,
35:32so people are looking at the woman.
35:34they're not looking at the fact that they're maybe a boyfriend
35:36and sometimes even a husband who's saying,
35:37I'm not ready to have another child or a baby.
35:40Well, you're thinking, you should have thought about that
35:42earlier, but the reality is real men will take responsibility
35:47for their children.
35:49But we live in a society with a lot of wimps out there.
35:52Again, they'd say.
35:53A lot of what was that?
35:54A lot of wimps out there.
35:55Real men take care of their responsibility.
35:58His perspective should be,
35:59sure we're gonna keep this baby and I'm gonna help you,
36:02we're gonna raise it.
36:03But too often the man will say,
36:06I'm not ready to be a daddy,
36:07I'm gonna give you the money, you go get rid of it.
36:10And often she will do what he says.
36:12The church needs to challenge men to be men.
36:16Real men will stand up for their posterity
36:19and take responsibility as well.
36:22And I'm definitely not gonna get graphic on this,
36:25but I often have been found to object to the whole concept
36:30of unplanned pregnancy or I wasn't expecting this,
36:34because like you said, 100% of the time
36:36when the baby is made a man is involved.
36:38100% of the time if I'm driving my car
36:41and I have an automatic transmission,
36:42100% of the time when I put the car in drive
36:44it's gonna go forward.
36:46I shouldn't be surprised when I shift my car from park
36:50into drive that I take my foot off the brake,
36:53the car goes forward.
36:54That's right.
36:55We shouldn't be surprised if we engage ourselves
36:57in activity that God is designed to make life
37:00that life is actually created.
37:02It shouldn't be a surprise.
37:03Not at all.
37:04And I understand we live in a pornography society
37:07of people are presenting physical gratification
37:10as if it is a foundational human need.
37:15I'm just gonna say it plainly,
37:16you won't die if you don't engage.
37:20So it's not a foundational human need in that regard.
37:25But you mentioned, and there's no doubt about it.
37:28oftentimes the fathers are in engines behind it.
37:31The mom's consideration of terminating her own baby
37:34and the father's baby.
37:36And I found circumstances where the moms,
37:40the pregnant woman's own mother is encouraging that.
37:44You were saying, a lot of people don't know that's illegal.
37:47You know, that's such a big issue in our culture today too.
37:52The Justice Foundation headed by attorney Alan Parker,
37:55great organizations doing great things
37:57the kingdom of God for the life issue.
38:00They, one of their tools that they provide is a letter called the Dear Parent Letter,
38:04and one of the Dear Client Letter.
38:05The Dear Parent Letter basically explains that if parents find their teenage daughter expecting
38:10a baby at an, you know, obviously she's not married, well, it's important to understand
38:15the mother has the legal right to that child.
38:18So if the mother wants to keep the baby, whether she's 13 years old or whatever age she might
38:22be, it's against the law for dad or mom to try to coerce or to get an abortion.
38:28Lots, that's true in all 50 states.
38:30Well, lots of people don't know the law.
38:31And so for that reason, it's tragic how often parents will say, you're going to get rid
38:36of it.
38:37And even if she please, mama, I want to keep my baby and the parent will feel like what
38:40they have the right to tell her otherwise.
38:42That's against the law.
38:44But because people don't know the law very often, sadly, you have parents will think, well, no,
38:50You're gonna get rid of it and you'll get over this in a few months and sometimes they
38:53may literally have a situation where 10 years later they don't know where their daughter
38:56is.
38:57Because she's a strange and her perspective is, daddy mama made me kill my baby.
39:02So what a tragic reality.
39:03There's so much collateral damage when abortion happens in the family.
39:08It's so good for us to do what the word of God says, choose life and it blesses everyone.
39:14You know, Abe, it's almost comical to where you have a situation where when daddy mama
39:18say, no, you need to board and the teen, the daughter doesn't abort and the baby is born. Guess who falls
39:23in love with the baby more than anybody else? Grenadine and Grandma. And they're ashamed that they thought
39:28about aborting this beautiful granddaughter or beautiful grandson. The life every life God creates
39:33is beautiful. And we need to understand that that's God's heart. It's never right to have an abortion
39:40under any circumstances. The Bible says, you shall not murder no exception. So the church speaking,
39:47Speaking life speaking the word and standing in the word is very very important and again
39:52I would challenge churches need to adopt pregnancy clinics get behind them a hundred percent find your local pregnancy clinic
40:00Find out what you can do have fundraiser events pray for them send volunteers
40:05Regulate pray for the work that they're doing because a lot of spiritual warfare happens around every single pregnancy ministry
40:13One of the things the Lord moved our church to do,
40:16and because it's so inexpensive to murder an unborn child,
40:23but it's so expensive,
40:25and many instances to adopt a child privately,
40:28it's immoral, frankly.
40:29It's immoral that is so expensive,
40:32but the Lord moved us to create an adoption mission fund
40:34so that families who were open to adopting,
40:39but they may not have the funds to do so privately,
40:42that we wanted to eliminate that as an impediment
40:46to the babies being adopted.
40:48And so by God's grace, we've had some families
40:51in our church utilize that for that purpose.
40:55But what more, you mentioned that because the moms
40:58keeping the babies and raise them with their families
41:02but adoption is also a viable option
41:05that should be considered.
41:06And I think it's something that churches can champion more
41:11and even encouraging moms who are in difficult circumstances
41:17to understand that it is courageous
41:20and it is worthy of celebration
41:23that if a mom is courageous enough to give the baby life
41:26as opposed to terminating the baby
41:28and allow a family who may be differently situated
41:32to adopt that baby.
41:33That's something that should be encouraged.
41:34It shouldn't be shamed or looked down upon in any environment.
41:38Not at all, not at all.
41:39Again, it's so important for us to understand that like,
41:42decide every issue is a discipleship issue.
41:46And it's important to understand that God's word
41:49has the wisdom and grace to give us the right decision
41:52in any and every situation.
41:55You know, we over a period of years,
41:58we've had the event that we call the Festival for Life,
42:00which is a multimedia event whereby we use movie clips,
42:04music videos, movie trailers to help share a biblical message
42:06about the importance of standing for life.
42:08At that event, usually, again, we have a post-abortive woman
42:12to share her testimony as well.
42:15That's a powerful tool in the hands of the Holy Spirit
42:17that everyone needs to hear,
42:19because typically that's an individual.
42:21And of course, we have a lot of post-abortive women
42:24in our culture where the people understand that or not.
42:27The statistics say somewhere around
42:29one out of every three or four women have had abortions.
42:32You talking about 25 to 33%.
42:35Huge number.
42:36So basically, more or less, every congregation is directly touched by the reality of abortion.
42:42And so when you have people to think, well, I don't believe it's that extensive.
42:45Well, again, out of ignorance, because I recall a pastor's thinking,
42:49oh, I don't think the statistic is that wide. He did a survey, and he was blown away in his own church.
42:55And he had no idea that many people had been touched by the tragedy of abortion.
42:59So the need for post-aportive Bible studies is huge, where women can be men and men,
43:05and we have the forgiveness of Christ's minister to them, but also just the idea of getting involved
43:11with helping to stand against the tragedy of abortion. Again, having events that help educate
43:17people about the realities around it, because again, the forgiveness of Christ needs to be
43:22administered. But also, as I mentioned, when you hear the post-a-board of testimony, you find this
43:27is a person that has been forgiven and is able to share that testimony, because the reality is for
43:35for every one person that's able to share,
43:37you may have a hundred people that are afraid
43:39that would never share in a public capacity.
43:41Now, I know what you mean when you say post-abortive,
43:43but would you just describe what a post-abortive woman is?
43:47I'm sorry, yes, exactly.
43:49A person that's had an abortion in their past.
43:53And of course, the numbers are huge.
43:55They really are huge in our culture
43:57because of the tragedy of the fact
43:58that abortion has been sold to our culture
44:01so sadly effectively in our culture.
44:04One out of every three or four women have had abortions,
44:06but now keep in mind, again,
44:10for people to make the big mistake of saying,
44:12oh it's strictly a woman's issue,
44:14there's a man in the picture 100% of the time.
44:16So many times you have men that need that forgiveness
44:19extended because many times they were the ones
44:21that push the wife or the girlfriend in the garden.
44:24But receiving forgiveness for that is very important,
44:26but when a person hears a woman who's had an abortion,
44:31share her testimony, and like,
44:32when we have the festival for life events.
44:34Typically, the woman sooner or later will have tears
44:38in the midst of her sharing her testimony,
44:41but that too, the Holy Spirit uses the tears wonderfully as well.
44:44But she's able to share her journey
44:46and the Holy Spirit will use that
44:48because even people that say,
44:49well, I believe in a woman's right to choose,
44:52it's hard for them to stand against someone who's sharing
44:55that they regretted it, they've been forgiven
44:59and they received the forgiveness of Christ.
45:01it's hard for them to come against a testimony like that.
45:04So, I believe the church desperately needs to provide
45:07a platform for the post-aportive testimony
45:10because there's so much the Holy Spirit can
45:12and will use that to do, to minister to people
45:15about the truths around the life issue as well.
45:18I know one of the things you guys do
45:20with Pregnancy Care and Hope Center in the mobile units
45:23is share the gospel with abortion minded moms.
45:25And I know they've been, you know,
45:26quite a bit of people who've come to know Christ
45:31through that ministry, would you just share a little bit
45:33about that?
45:33Well, of course you don't, many times it's a vulnerable time
45:38for the woman and actually for the woman
45:39and the couple typically that it's involved as well.
45:42But it's also a great time to share the gospel.
45:45Now I should mention very clearly,
45:48it doesn't mean that the gospel gets to be shared
45:51definitely with every single client
45:53because there's a right way
45:55and there's a wrong way to do anything.
45:56And again, you find people very vulnerable
45:59in a very tough time.
46:01But our goal is to, Lord willing,
46:04get to share the gospel with every client if we can.
46:07And I should mention our staff has made it before
46:10precious women that do a great job.
46:12But you have to listen to the Holy Spirit
46:14about the right time and the right way
46:15to approach that in every situation.
46:17Because many times in their mind,
46:18they're just, you have a woman that's afraid.
46:21She's under pressure.
46:22She doesn't know what to do.
46:24And so they're trained to be able to help them realize
46:27this is not the end of the world.
46:28And we want to help you walk through this.
46:30And the goal is to always encourage you to keep the baby
46:33or consider adoption, but never going down the route
46:35of abortion, you know, too, as well.
46:38So the sharing of the gospel is a very important part of it.
46:41That's another reason why every pregnancy clinic
46:44needs a lot of prayer because it's the Holy Spirit
46:46that orchestrates that.
46:48And so being able to do it at the right place,
46:51at the right time is always a very important thing.
46:53So every pregnancy clinic needs a real prayer warrior
46:58Ministry because so much warfare happens around every pregnancy clinic. Yeah, I often often say
47:06Don't kill the baby as an effort to kind of to get this conversation outside of
47:11being solely a political consideration or solely a policy consideration and think about tangible hands feet fingers toes
47:19fingerprints and not only of the baby but of the moms and dads that are involved extended families that are involved and
47:25And what you're presenting, what I believe is a little what have us to do as members of the
47:29Body of Christ in our nation is to labor in such a way to where murdering unborn innocent
47:34children is not a consideration, to where it's unthinkable to terminate a child.
47:42And what's often happened in our society with, you know, the concept of the American dream,
47:47with external pressure being applied to moms before their babies are born, is that they've
47:53elevated other things to be more important to them than the unborn human being.
47:58Would you just speak to that for a moment?
48:00It's really a comfortable, pacified, cult-rated idolatry that has taken place that has moved
48:05people in our nation to accept murder as a reasonable alternative.
48:09Well, you know, Abe, I would say this many times, people are quick to condemn Nazi Germany
48:13with what they did there and say, if I was there, I would have done this and that.
48:17Well, we live in a nation that's killed a lot more human beings than Nazi Germany and
48:21ask us up the question.
48:22What are you doing right now?
48:24There's so much all of us can do, this again, supporting pregnancy clinics is part of it.
48:30But there's so much more we can do.
48:32Find out what you can do and say, Lord, show me what you want me to do to help stand for
48:35life.
48:36And he'll show you.
48:37He'll show you.
48:38Amen.
48:39Pastor Joseph, everybody, go to deltaPCHC.org for more information.
48:45See if you can be a part of moving your local church to adopt a pregnancy clinic in your
48:49neighborhood.
48:50You can support the work of Pastor Joseph in the mobile unit and all of us are putting
48:53all of our hands on that we can contribute to creating a culture where the image of God
48:58is respected in our nation and where murdering innocent unborn children is unthinkable.
49:04May it be so, Lord.
49:05May it be so.
49:09The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
49:14Family Association or American Family Radio.

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