Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Film Producer John Scanlon, as well as Linda J. Hansen, Founder & President of Prosperity 101

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11. 0:33Well, good evening America.
12. 0:34We have got a great show and we,
13. 0:37I'm always enthused about every program we do,
14. 0:40the subject matter and the guests,
15. 0:42and we're very blessed to have great guests
16. 0:44and tonight is no exception.
17. 0:46And we're going to talk about the Bonhoeffer movie,
18. 0:50a movie that I strongly encourage you to see
19. 0:53for a lot of reasons.
20. 0:54And I want to welcome you to the Hamilton Corner,
21. 0:57Alex McFarland here sitting in for Abe Hamilton the third. It's a great privilege to do so.
22. 1:03And you were listening to the American Family Radio Network. You don't want to miss the next
23. 1:08few moments of content because I think it will inspire you, may actually inform you about some
24. 1:1420th century church history. And there's a real opportunity here to see a film that is a piece of
25. 1:21art and I would encourage you to take your friends and your children. And let me queue this up as I
26. 1:28bring our guest on one of the producers of the Bonhoeffer film. I've heard this saying,
27. 1:35more hangs on your obedience than you could possibly imagine. Well, let me put that in the
28. 1:40context of scripture. 1 Corinthians 1558, one of my favorite verses in the Bible. 1 Corinthians 1558
29. 1:49says, your labor in the Lord is not in vain. Think about that. And nowhere is that more vividly
30. 1:58illustrated than in the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And I became a Christian when I was in college,
31. 2:03and right away as I began to learn about not only God's word, but church history,
32. 2:11my entire life, I've heard about Dietrich Bonhoeffer. And he was a German minister, and he was
33. 2:19a part of the resistance against the Third Reich.
34. 2:23And he died, ultimately died for his beliefs,
35. 2:25but Bonhoeffer has inspired so many people over the decades.
36. 2:30And his story is one that it must be told,
37. 2:34and thankfully it has been told.
38. 2:37And one of the producers of the new Bonhoeffer movie,
39. 2:39it's just come out by Theros Film Distribution,
40. 2:44and 1900 screens and I urge you please support this film and make plans now to go see it this weekend.
41. 2:54And we're going to learn all about the film, why it's important, why you and I and all of us should see it.
42. 3:01One of the producers is John B. Scanlan and he is an entertainment industry attorney and professional
43. 3:10And part of the production company that has created a film that lots of people are talking
44. 3:16about Bonhoeffer.
45. 3:18And it's such a privilege to have him on AFR right now.
46. 3:22Mr. Scanlon, thank you for making time to be with us.
47. 3:26Thank you so much.
48. 3:27It's a pleasure to join you.
49. 3:29Well thank you.
50. 3:30And I'm going to let you start.
51. 3:33I'd love to hear about your own career trajectory.
52. 3:39yourself and then this project of a lifetime really that you have helped
53. 3:44spearheads. So tell us about yourself and the Bonhoeffer film.
54. 3:48Thank you. I started my own journey in film about 20 years ago. I shot a film in
55. 3:58Uganda and got it on TV a couple of times and was hooked by the power of
56. 4:03film to inspire people through that visual and audio medium.
57. 4:10And I was fortunate enough to be invited to join the lead producers, Vanen Camille Campores,
58. 4:17on this journey of making the Bonhoeffer film about 12 years ago.
59. 4:22We spent a good deal of time trying to figure out how to fit Bonhoeffer's incredibly rich
60. 4:27and dramatic life into a two-hour film.
61. 4:33We took a bunch of different approaches, finally had a good fortune to connect with Todd Cominecki,
62. 4:40who is the writer of the Clint Eastwood film, Sully, starring Tom Hanks, also a producer of
63. 4:46Elf.
64. 4:47Yeah, it was a producer of Elf, which I'm sure everybody's going to see this holiday soon.
65. 4:51Of course.
66. 4:54and just an incredibly gifted artist and producer.
67. 5:01And he really cracked the code.
68. 5:03I think he was able to really get inside Bonhoevers' mind
69. 5:06and heart and unpack his story in a beautiful way.
70. 5:10In a script that electrified the Hollywood industry
71. 5:15veterans that he showed it to,
72. 5:17we were able to attract an amazing cast and crew.
73. 5:21The crew includes John Matheson,
74. 5:23was the cinematographer, I'm glad he had a one and two, as well as many other films that I'm sure
75. 5:27you've seen and enjoyed. He's just a beautiful visual artist, John Beard, set designer, and of course
76. 5:34our incredible cast, headed by Jonas Dassall. Here's this rising star in German cinema. And
77. 5:41Todd made the decision early on that he wanted the good Germans in the film, the resistance
78. 5:46heroes that are portrayed in the film to be actual Germans.
79. 5:51So the accents you hear are real, and the German cast is really just electrifying,
80. 5:59they're so good. And I think the movie that we produced is just a beautiful work of art,
81. 6:06as you said. And that was really our emphasis. We wanted to make a film with excellence at every level.
82. 6:11A friend of mine named Isaac Gates says,
83. 6:14beauty is the apologetic and I think we've made a beautiful film that is a terrific
84. 6:19argument for faith in Jesus and for
85. 6:22advancing the kingdom through action. Wonderful.
86. 6:26And I want to commend you about doing it with such
87. 6:29excellence. I've seen the trailer and seen, it's a
88. 6:33spiritual disclosure, I've not seen the movie yet,
89. 6:36planned to do it this week and I urge our listeners to see it
90. 6:41as well. But I want to commend you for doing it with excellence. And not, I don't want to
91. 6:49speak disparagingly, but a lot of faith-based films, maybe I shouldn't say a lot, but some,
92. 6:54because I used to write movie reviews for Focus on the Family. I worked for Plug Then Magazine.
93. 7:00I've written a number of film reviews. And you always want to be kind, but it's hard
94. 7:05to get enthused over something that was like done on the cheap.
95. 7:10And like you said with your cast and the technical people behind the scenes, and I love that
96. 7:16you're, you know, people with authentic German accents, this authenticity.
97. 7:24This is why this film is going to stand this test of time.
98. 7:29And that's got to be pretty gratifying to you to know that you've created something
99. 7:33that will touch the lives of people for a lot of years.
100. 7:39It really is, and I want to give credit
101. 7:41to our lead producers again, Mano and Camille Camporus,
102. 7:45and also to Todd Cominecke, who really were sold out
103. 7:49to the idea that this had to be a film that was
104. 7:52excellent in terms of its craftsmanship
105. 7:54and its artistic level.
106. 7:59I agree with you, it's unfortunately all too easy
107. 8:04I think of examples of films where it's done in a different way.
108. 8:10But I do think it's important that as Christians, we commit ourselves to excellence in this artistic
109. 8:17field as in any other.
110. 8:19And I think that part of the hard part is for many centuries, believers sort of dominated
111. 8:26the arts and that we sort of lost that.
112. 8:29I think the only artistic expression that we sort of regularly practice now is a Sunday
113. 8:34morning sermon or a church service if you could call that an artistic undertaking and I think
114. 8:40it is.
115. 8:41It should be.
116. 8:42But I'm, well, yeah, I think it really is and it is no matter whether you're just writing
117. 8:47and delivering a simple sermon to a small congregation or whether you're putting on a show as many
118. 8:53churches do.
119. 8:55But the bottom line is that I think unfortunately a lot of films build only on that structure.
120. 9:02They don't have any other artistic foundation to build on.
121. 9:05And I'm thrilled and delighted that there's
122. 9:07a kind of rising generation of filmmakers
123. 9:10that are committed to telling stories that are true,
124. 9:13beautiful and good.
125. 9:15And I think this film can really set a standard for that
126. 9:19and be a benchmark that other films can aspire to.
127. 9:22At least that's my hope.
128. 9:23And audiences love it, which is always great.
129. 9:27Yeah, from the screenings, I mean,
130. 9:29And their reviews and response has been exceptional, hasn't it?
131. 9:34It really has.
132. 9:37We knew we had a hit on our hands.
133. 9:39We've been showing it to small groups around the country.
134. 9:43We showed it to our investors.
135. 9:44We showed it to the electros as one does.
136. 9:47The response is really electrifying.
137. 9:49And I'm delighted to say we have an A-sinnomous score, 93% positive rating on Gotten Tomatoes
138. 9:57from over 500 verified ratings.
139. 9:59It's just, it's really, really exciting audiences.
140. 10:04It's tough opening the same week as the two biggest films of the year, Wicked 2, or Wicked
141. 10:10and Gladiator 2, and then having to compete in addition to them with more on to the following
142. 10:15weekend.
143. 10:16But we've held in there and word of mouth is building a great audience for us and I know
144. 10:22that even going into the Christmas season we've got high expectations for continued turnout.
145. 10:28Well, we're just talking with John Scanlon. He's one of the producers of the Bonhoeffer
146. 10:34film if you're just tuning in. I urge you to see that. It's on 1900 screens. That's a
147. 10:39great release. Before we have our first break, what's the website? I'm sure there's website
148. 10:46associated with the film.
149. 10:49It's Angel Studios website and it's angel.com slash Bonhoeffer which is BON H-O-E-F-F-E-R.
150. 11:00You can buy tickets there, you can find showings in your local cinema and you can find other
151. 11:05material related to the film and watch the trailer too.
152. 11:08What about the life of Dietrich Bonhoeffer attracted you or inspired you to get involved
153. 11:14in the making of this film?
154. 11:17I think that if I could sum up his life in one word, which is difficult to do, I would
155. 11:22say it's bravery or courage.
156. 11:24He's just someone who faced some of the largest challenges one can face in life and stood up
157. 11:32to history's greatest tyrant, arguably, and just lived his faith in an uncompromising way.
158. 11:41He had many struggles and doubts along the way, and we see on his journey in the film
159. 11:46we see how he grows toward the ultimate sacrifice that he makes at the end of his life, but
160. 11:53following him on that journey and seeing how he engages with, for instance, with the African-American
161. 11:59church in Harlem when he was a seminary student in New York is really, really interesting
162. 12:05and fun to watch.
163. 12:07But ultimately, I think the message of the film is, you know, watch this movie be inspired
164. 12:14and be Bonhoeffer brave in your own life.
165. 12:16Wow, that's a great challenge.
166. 12:19You know, there's a famous quote,
167. 12:20I've heard it all my Christian life.
168. 12:23Maybe it was used in the film,
169. 12:25I don't know yet, not having seen it yet,
170. 12:27but Bonhoeffer, they said that he said,
171. 12:32when Christ calls a man, he bids him, come and die.
172. 12:37And there's a lot we can say about that quote,
173. 12:41But I think we're in a generation, Mr. Scanlon, that is looking for something worth giving their
174. 12:48life for.
175. 12:50Like Bonhoeffer did.
176. 12:51That's one of the reasons I think it's resonating with so many people, especially young people,
177. 12:56because we want a cause.
178. 12:58We want something to live for.
179. 13:00And a few people exemplify that like Dietrich Bonhoeffer.
180. 13:04Yeah, I think that's a very, that's a very student.
181. 13:10I think that's exactly right. I just think that I think of all the films that inspired
182. 13:17me as a young man and even as an older one and usually come away from those sorts of films
183. 13:23thinking, yeah, I wish I could be that person. I wish I could be that man of character, that
184. 13:28man of faith. And I think we've got one of those films here because Bon Offer just, his
185. 13:34life just crystallizes into this challenge for all of us to be that person, to be that
186. 13:39best version of ourselves. And like rising to any other challenge, it really isn't possible
187. 13:43without the superpower of faith and without understanding that apart from Christ we can
188. 13:50really do nothing. The Bonon believed that and he lived it out. And I think this is just
189. 13:56a great way to sort of see that unfold through the eyes of another person.
190. 14:03We've got a brief break coming up, but I want to dig down into this some more.
191. 14:10And folks, we're talking with John Scanlon.
192. 14:12He's an attorney, entertainment industry executive, and one of the producers of the Bonhoeffer
193. 14:18film based on the true story.
194. 14:21You know what makes it so compelling is this is history, and this is 20th century American
195. 14:26church history that people need to be familiar with. It's
196. 14:31directed by Tom and Carmen Nicki. How do we pronounce that John? I want to make sure I
197. 14:37pronounce it correctly. Yeah, come on Nicki.
198. 14:41Carmen Nicki. Starring Jonas Dazzler August Diehl and Flula Borg, the Bonhoeffer
199. 14:49movie. Stay tuned folks. Go see this film. We're going to talk more with John
200. 14:53on Scanlon after this brief break on the American Family Radio Network.
201. 14:57We're going to dig a little deeper into the verse we started with Matthew 624 and a few
202. 15:05others.
203. 15:06We cannot serve God and money that generosity is a key piece of this as well.
204. 15:13I think about what Ron blew the authors says often, that is that giving actually loosens
205. 15:19the grip that money can have over our lives.
206. 15:23and Finance with Rob West weekdays at 9 a.m. Central or on the AFR app.
207. 15:29Shiting lightning to the darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
208. 15:42Bonhoeffer, Pastor Spy, Assassin. Now if that is not a riveting title, I don't know what
209. 15:50is. Hi, Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio Network. We are having a conversation.
210. 15:55And I feel very privileged to be talking with Attorney film producer John Scamlin.
211. 16:01He is part of the Bonhoeffer movie that has come out.
212. 16:05And I urge you to go see this.
213. 16:07And let me just say, please support this film.
214. 16:11We're always hearing parents and pastors and faith leaders, Christians say, I wish there
215. 16:16was something wholesome.
216. 16:19And take your kids to see this.
217. 16:21your student groups to see it, because this is really some of the most vital 20th century
218. 16:29church history.
219. 16:31And Dietrich Bonhoeffer, and I know there were others, but during World War II, I mean,
220. 16:36he did what the Word of God tells Christians to do.
221. 16:40He literally laid down his life for the gospel and for truth, ultimately did pay with his
222. 16:46life, but the film in a beautiful way, in a historical and factual way, excellence at
223. 16:54every step, the Bonhoeffer movie, brings his story to life for a new generation.
224. 17:00We're talking with one of the producers, John Scanlan.
225. 17:03And again, sir, thank you for being with us.
226. 17:06You mentioned in our beginning conversation that it was something like a decade, maybe
227. 17:11over a decade from conception to release.
228. 17:16I'm just curious, why did it take so long to get this film made?
229. 17:23The bottom line is that Dietrich Bonhoeffer's life was so rich and so full that it was just
230. 17:29a challenge to try to figure out an approach where you could tell a compelling story and
231. 17:34sort of hit all the high notes, but do it in the amount of time you have for a theatrical
232. 17:39film.
233. 17:42We basically experimented with a bunch of different approaches.
234. 17:46We had several teams of writers.
235. 17:49We had a version in which it was a dark psychological thriller that mainly happened inside a jail
236. 17:55cell to a version that was a James Bond approach, emphasizing to a certain degree his relationship
237. 18:05with Maria and his fiance.
238. 18:08But ultimately it was Todd Comernicki's amazing script that kind of unlocked the secret to getting
239. 18:16this thing on the screen because not only was it a very compelling take on his life, but
240. 18:20it was the kind of thing where you'd share it with an actor's agent or a key member of
241. 18:28the crew and they would say, I absolutely have to be a part of this.
242. 18:33My favorite example is John Matheson, who is a legendary cinematographer who has worked
243. 18:38on the gladiator films and other big pictures.
244. 18:42He's normally working with a budget of two or three hundred million, but he's got to do
245. 18:48this film, Todd.
246. 18:49So let me come on board and be your director of photography.
247. 18:51He did an amazing job.
248. 18:53I think one thing you'll enjoy when you see it is it's just a visually stunning film.
249. 18:58It just looks, there are frames in it that look like Dutch Masters paintings, just the
250. 19:02the way they're lit and colored.
251. 19:04It's a beautiful film.
252. 19:07No doubt, no doubt.
253. 19:09You know what's interesting is,
254. 19:11even as you and I are doing this program,
255. 19:15I've done three interviews today about a statistic
256. 19:19that just in the last couple of months,
257. 19:22Bible sales are up 22%.
258. 19:25The overall publishing industry.
259. 19:28Yeah, publishing is up 1%.
260. 19:31Bible sales are up 22% and the non buyers are young people. So, you know, I see, even though
261. 19:40I know that the film has had a long trajectory and I'm correct, you finished it in 22, is that right?
262. 19:49We shot it over the winter of 22, 23. So we finished production, yeah, the beginning of 23,
263. 19:55And then of course we were editing for several months.
264. 19:59So yeah, that's...
265. 20:00But isn't it just providential that the release of this film coincides with a real spiritual
266. 20:06interest, spiritual hunger, teens and 20-somethings are buying the Bible?
267. 20:13I see something very sovereign that God could use to just touch a lot of lives.
268. 20:22Yeah, I 100% agree and the wonderful thing about this shows that, you know, we show Bon
269. 20:29Offer from, you know, a young boy all the way up to 39 years of age, which is when he
270. 20:36was martyred.
271. 20:38But our star, the man who plays him as an adult, Jonas Dassler, is 27.
272. 20:44He might have turned 28 since we wrapped.
273. 20:48But he's a very young man himself.
274. 20:51And I do absolutely think that this film is the kind of film that as a young person could
275. 20:57change the trajectory of your life.
276. 21:00And one of my producing partners, Camille Campores, has been talking for years about her hope that
277. 21:06this film, in particular inspired young people in Europe, which is some of the most post-Christian
278. 21:13field, others may hopefully call it pre-Christian.
279. 21:18But the bottom line is it's a very dark place spiritually and there's not one of hope there.
280. 21:24And I really do think this film could have a revolutionary impact there and I hope it does.
281. 21:30That's great.
282. 21:31We really need to pray for that.
283. 21:32That's great.
284. 21:33And the spiritual state of Europe right now, we could talk about maybe at a later date,
285. 21:38but yeah, I could see God using it in a great way.
286. 21:43We're almost out of time, folks.
287. 21:44We're talking with John Scammon.
288. 21:45one of the producers of the brand new movie Bonhoeffer. It's on 1900 screens.
289. 21:51Folks, support this film. Please go see this film not only because we would love
290. 21:56to see the film succeed but this is a story that every person needs to know
291. 22:01about. So last question before I let you go, Mr. Scanlan, where can people find a
292. 22:07theater in their area? Where can they get tickets? What's the optimum way for
293. 22:13people to go online and find where they can see the film.
294. 22:21These ways to go to the Angel Studios website which is angel.com.com.
295. 22:25Bonhoeffer, H-O-E-F-F-E-R. And you'll be able to find a show time and a location near you.
296. 22:32And you'll even be able to buy tickets through the site. So that's your best shot at one-shot stopping.
297. 22:39Well, our prayers are with you.
298. 22:40I wish you much success.
299. 22:42And I want to thank you not only for being with us today, but this great piece of work
300. 22:47that you've accomplished.
301. 22:49Thank you so much.
302. 22:50Thank you so much for the opportunity to share this with you.
303. 22:54We look forward to visiting again.
304. 22:56Alex McFarland here, folks, on the American Family Radio Network, sitting in for Abe Hamilton,
305. 23:02very honored to do so.
306. 23:03We're going to change gears a little bit.
307. 23:05And we're going to talk with Linda Hanson about the, hopefully, the demise of wokeness
308. 23:12now before we bring Linda to the mic.
309. 23:13I want to say that if you recognize my voice, it might be from the show, exploring the word
310. 23:18that is heard every day live Monday through Friday, 3 to 4 PM Central, 4 to 5 PM Eastern
311. 23:25on the American Family Radio Network.
312. 23:28all over the landscape, you can find the show exploring the word.
313. 23:34And for all that, listen, I get a lot of emails from people, they'll say,
314. 23:38we listened to you on Hamilton, we listened to you on exploring the word,
315. 23:42we really appreciate that. And we refer you to exploring the word
316. 23:47and all the great programming on the American Family Radio Network.
317. 23:51But right now, we're going to visit a little bit with Linda Hanson.
318. 23:56to Hanson has a topic that we're going to discuss, which is really companies turning
319. 24:03away from DEI and Wokeness, at least I hope. But Ms. Hanson, thank you for holding and welcome
320. 24:11to the American Family Radio Network.
321. 24:14Well, it's a pleasure to be here. Thank you for inviting me.
322. 24:18Yes, well, it's an honor to have you. Now, you're an author, a business strategist, a
323. 24:25leadership coach before we get into DEI and wokeness, tell us a little bit about yourself.
324. 24:31Well, the quick snapshot, first part of adult life, I raised in homeschooled six children
325. 24:39and honored. So I was an early pioneer in homeschool movement, but then also in the conservative
326. 24:46movement with, you know, concerned women for America, homeschool legal defense association,
327. 24:52those early pioneers in this conservative movement and really a blessing to be part of
328. 24:59that.
329. 25:00But then as my children grew, I got one involved in politics.
330. 25:02I was always interested in politics and policy.
331. 25:07I was a G.O.B.
332. 25:08County chair for many years as some of them were away from the home and I had more time.
333. 25:15And then Assistant District Chair and I was very involved in the flip of Wisconsin in
334. 25:192010.
335. 25:20And during that time I also got to know Herman Cain.
336. 25:23And I was one of two people who encouraged him to run for president.
337. 25:28And I served as his deputy chief of staff for his presidential campaign in 2012,
338. 25:34which was an absolute honor and pleasure.
339. 25:36And we were kind of woke or we were mega before mega was cool.
340. 25:41And it was great.
341. 25:44He was wonderful.
342. 25:45And since that time, I've been able to do multiple things all over the country in terms
343. 25:51of issue advocacy, coalition development, you know, regulatory reform and things.
344. 25:57But in addition to my life mission to know Christ and make him known and to promote freedom
345. 26:05and liberty throughout the land.
346. 26:07And one of the things God has called me to do along that mission is with Prosperity 101.
347. 26:13And that is my heart's cry to get employers educating employees about public policy issues
348. 26:22that affect their jobs.
349. 26:24And I believe it's important to do this in a way that is nonpartisan.
350. 26:28It doesn't tell them what they have to think or how they have to vote, but it helps kind
351. 26:33of unlock their appreciation for the freedoms that we have in America and the basic policies
352. 26:39of freedom and human flourishing and then how they protect that and I believe that's part
353. 26:45of keeping the soil fertile for the gospel so that we can have a free America which allows
354. 26:50us to share all over the world.
355. 26:54You know what I would guarantee that you and I have been at some of the same events because
356. 26:59Linda 20 years ago I began to go to like the Council for National Policy, C&P and the Values
357. 27:07voter summit and I begin to meet people like Phyllis Schlaffley and James Dobson and I
358. 27:14had dinner one night with Herman Cain. This was just before he went public with his desire
359. 27:22to run for president and people like Edwin Meese. So let me ask this question and I want
360. 27:28to get to the topic of from woke to what as companies move away from DEI. But here's one
361. 27:36of the questions that I would ask you because I can tell you've somewhat like myself been
362. 27:43kind of ringside on the Christian conservative movement for the last couple of decades.
363. 27:49Do you feel like with the overwhelming victory of Donald Trump, November 5th, won by more
364. 27:55than 10 million votes, are we finally after, you know, maybe two or three decades, conservatives
365. 28:02have been working and praying kind of in the shadows oftentimes. But suddenly there's traction
366. 28:09and decades of prayer and hard work are beginning to bear fruit and bear fruit big.
367. 28:16Do you think that's what we're seeing? I do see that to a degree and I'll tell you,
368. 28:22you know, I'm old enough to remember the Reagan years and you know there was a huge conservative
369. 28:28push and even if we go back into the Jesus people movement of the 70s, right?
370. 28:35We had all of these things happening, but they wither away.
371. 28:40And I tell people, yes, we have a wind, we have the wind behind us now.
372. 28:45God is giving us an opportunity.
373. 28:50And if we don't take it and stay in it, we can lose it just as fast as we got it, right?
374. 28:56Or as it seems we got it, you know, he's you pray for something for years and years and years and then it happens, right?
375. 29:03So but you know people tell me oh, you know people won't get complacent
376. 29:08They'll stay engaged as a citizen and they've seen God move and I say, you know
377. 29:14There is really saw the Red Sea parted before their eyes
378. 29:19They got mannae in the desert and still they said
379. 29:24said, we want to go back to Egypt and we need a golden house, right? So it is we are so human
380. 29:31that when things become a little easier, we can become complacent. So yes, I see God
381. 29:38answering our prayer and we see it in so many ways. The election results, we see it from
382. 29:43the assassination attempts, we see it from the rising Bible sales, we see it from the
383. 29:49rise in the Gen Z voters, we see it, but unless we keep that foot on the gas, on the gas, I should say, and be able to, you know, stay in prayer and stay in commitment to our activism, we will lose it.
384. 30:06We have a window of time here to really shift some of these policies that are destroying our nation, and that window could close rapidly.
385. 30:15unless we are absolutely proactive about keeping that window open.
386. 30:21You know, and by the way, thank you. I want to say thank you for being a part of, like
387. 30:27you say, advocating for truth, for God and country all these years. So thank you. And
388. 30:34you're right.
389. 30:35Thank you as well. And we have been in the same room before. We've met before, but it's
390. 30:39been years.
391. 30:40Okay, okay, so let me ask you this. Do you feel like, well, why is it, here's how I want to ask it,
392. 30:50why is it that some people are more committed to that which is false than we Christians are
393. 30:55committed to that which is true? I mean, you know, years ago we talked about liberalism and then more
394. 31:02socialism, Marxism, and it just amazes me how many on the woke progressive left,
395. 31:10I mean, they'll give their lives to a worldview that is false.
396. 31:15And yet, you know, conservative Christians, people of principle and morals and God's truth.
397. 31:21I mean, we've got the truth of Almighty God, and yet people are very apathetic sometimes.
398. 31:29Why is that, in your opinion?
399. 31:31Well, our sin nature, we have a sin nature and it's easy for us to be complacent and take
400. 31:38the blessings of God for granted. And I think that we have done that. The other thing I see,
401. 31:45you know, obviously, when Satan can get a foothold, when the enemy can get a foothold into
402. 31:51the culture, I mean, you think of the seven mountains of culture, do we have any one of those mountains
403. 31:56as conservatives or as Christians? Does the Judeo-Christian worldview stand at the top of any one of those
404. 32:03with seven mountains of culture, not right now,
405. 32:06but we're getting there.
406. 32:07You know, we're getting there.
407. 32:09And I would say, we're getting there.
408. 32:12You know, at least we're climbing now.
409. 32:14At least people are more aware that there's seven mountains
410. 32:17of culture that we need to go get.
411. 32:19It isn't just so great.
412. 32:21We've got to take a break.
413. 32:22When we come back, folks, we're going to talk about
414. 32:24what the seven mountains are
415. 32:26and how you can help take those mountains, stay tuned.
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430. 33:16Welcome back everybody, and I would be remiss
431. 33:19if I did not wish you, each and everyone, a Merry Christmas.
432. 33:23I hope you do have a joyful Christ-filled Christmas.
433. 33:26And this month of December, you know,
434. 33:28you utilize it to pray, reflect, witness,
435. 33:33be a blessing to somebody,
436. 33:34and to help encourage people around you
437. 33:37because the first guest, John Scanlon, was talking about courage.
438. 33:42And let me say this, when I teach my philosophy classes,
439. 33:48I teach on what Plato said courage was.
440. 33:51He said, it's knowing the right thing to do
441. 33:54and being willing to do it.
442. 33:56So I think the majority of people deep down,
443. 33:59they know the right thing to do.
444. 34:00But it does take courage and initiative
445. 34:03to be willing to do it.
446. 34:05And Christmas is a reminder that really Jesus Christ,
447. 34:10He is worthy of the best we can give
448. 34:13and all we can give just as Christ gave His life
449. 34:17for our redemption.
450. 34:18I think we need to give our lives for His great commission.
451. 34:22And somebody who has done that is Linda Hanson
452. 34:25and she's our guest right now.
453. 34:26And Linda, I wanna thank you for being with us on the show
454. 34:31but even more importantly all that you do for God and country.
455. 34:33But before we go too much farther,
456. 34:35Linda, tell us what is Prosperity 101.
457. 34:39Tell us what that is and where people can find you online.
458. 34:441.com, Prosperity101.com.
459. 34:47And find me there.
460. 34:48Please do.
461. 34:49Please let me hear from you.
462. 34:50And Prosperity101 was born as I was working in politics
463. 34:56and doing things.
464. 34:57And I heard business owners tell me
465. 35:00they were going to leave the state if a business friendly
466. 35:02governor wasn't elected.
467. 35:04And I realized this is years ago,
468. 35:07even before Herman Cain ran for president,
469. 35:09and he was one of my early advisors,
470. 35:11that's kind of how I got to know him so well.
471. 35:13But I understood immediately that millions of people
472. 35:17go to voting booths and vote themselves
473. 35:19right out of their jobs,
474. 35:20because they are unaware of the policies
475. 35:23that affect their paychecks or their personal freedom.
476. 35:26And one time I was speaking to 500 top managers,
477. 35:31had a major business,
478. 35:32And the Lord told me, you need to write a book,
479. 35:35because the people in this room understand what you're saying,
480. 35:37but the people who stuck the shelves do not.
481. 35:40So I wrote my first book,
482. 35:41developed a program to help employers educate employees
483. 35:44about basic issues, taking people through the foundations
484. 35:48of prosperity.
485. 35:49First, what is prosperity?
486. 35:51It's not money, it's human flourishing and freedom.
487. 35:53And why do we have that in America?
488. 35:56It's because we've got these amazing documents
489. 36:00that have been influenced by Judeo-Christian heritage.
490. 36:02And I believe they're finally inspired.
491. 36:05But so we have this system of government that allows for this.
492. 36:08So we have the foundations of prosperity,
493. 36:10the policies of prosperity, basic economic policies,
494. 36:15and then how to protect their prosperity
495. 36:17by becoming informed and involved and impactful.
496. 36:19So in a sense, this course is the fifth grade civics class
497. 36:24that the last three generations haven't gotten.
498. 36:26But yet it is absolutely.
499. 36:29but it is absolutely designed to help them understand
500. 36:33how all of this impacts their daily life, their paycheck,
501. 36:39and their ability to have freedom in their life.
502. 36:43It is nonpartisan, it never tells someone how to vote,
503. 36:47it doesn't even tell them what they have to believe,
504. 36:50it does the instructions with questions
505. 36:53where they kind of configure it out for themselves, right?
506. 36:56but it opens up communication in the workplace.
507. 36:59And I, you know, Dawson Trotman,
508. 37:01who started the Navigators Ministry,
509. 37:03was the first one who said they don't care how much you know
510. 37:06until they care, they know how much you care.
511. 37:09And I have seen that when employers share this information
512. 37:14in their workplace and they start talking to their employees
513. 37:18about these things from a very basic sense,
514. 37:20like this matters to you, it matters to your paycheck.
515. 37:23I need to keep my company profitable
516. 37:25so that you can be profitable.
517. 37:26Both just basic conversations,
518. 37:28it increases communication,
519. 37:30and then that helps with loyalty, engagement, and retention.
520. 37:34So it helps the bottom line as a company,
521. 37:35and it helps the country.
522. 37:37So it's, like I said, I feel like it's keeping the soil fertile
523. 37:40for the gospel because we also,
524. 37:43then people do the voting booth,
525. 37:46and they're more informed a voter.
526. 37:48And it's just really a very basic reintroduction.
527. 37:52We have all of these people who've come through the educational system in America, all these
528. 37:58years that you and I have been fighting for freedom and God in country.
529. 38:03We've seen that they really have no idea about basic American civics, basic America in terms
530. 38:10of our founding and why we have such an amazing country.
531. 38:16We need to re-educate them.
532. 38:18I mean, if employers don't do it, I tell employers,
533. 38:20please grow this movement with me
534. 38:23because if employers don't do it, who's doing it?
535. 38:25These 20, 30, 40-year-olds in the workplace,
536. 38:28they're already out of college,
537. 38:30they're already out of school.
538. 38:32Who's going to help them understand truth
539. 38:35unless they do it in the workplace?
540. 38:36And all politics is local.
541. 38:38I'm not the local, I'm where you go to work every day.
542. 38:42So let me ask you this.
543. 38:44We've seen political correctness,
544. 38:48wokeness, influence corporate America.
545. 38:51And, you know, my wife and I, we don't even shop at places
546. 38:55like Target anymore, because, I mean,
547. 38:58my goodness, I think the last time that we ever went
548. 39:00in a Target, and that was years ago,
549. 39:03they had the most objectionable, just really,
550. 39:06pornographic clothing for elementary schoolers.
551. 39:11I'm not gonna go into that, but, I guess,
552. 39:13here's my question, all of these deviant organizations
553. 39:17that advocate for policies that are so detrimental to people.
554. 39:23Glisten and glad and the human,
555. 39:26the egregiously misnamed human rights campaign
556. 39:31that people united for the separation of church and state.
557. 39:34How did they get into America's boardrooms?
558. 39:36I mean, you know, I've got another story
559. 39:40I wanna tell you that's gonna amaze you, I think.
560. 39:43But I mean, these major corporations, you know,
561. 39:46Walmart Ford Motor Company, you would think their goal is to sell more retail, increase
562. 39:53the bottom line.
563. 39:55So how did these people with just in your face political agendas so effectively get into the
564. 40:02boardrooms?
565. 40:03Well, follow the money.
566. 40:07I would say follow the money and then also remember, you know, we are sinful people.
567. 40:11We're all sinners in need of a savior.
568. 40:13So, you know, the carrot in front of this, you know, the carrot with the stick is often appealing
569. 40:19to people and they throw their morals and good judgment out the window sometimes when it seems
570. 40:26profitable or they're threatened or they're boycotted or, you know, whatever.
571. 40:31But I would say that part of the problem there is the complacency and silence of the church
572. 40:37and of conservatives because we just let them run over us as a nation.
573. 40:43I have a poster pack on my website.
574. 40:47So for people to go to the website, prosperity101.com, they can get my book.
575. 40:51I have a short 12 bucks online course that I can license out to businesses to use in their workplace.
576. 40:58But I also have a free e-book and I have a simple poster pack that people can use.
577. 41:03one of the posters. It's just a bill of rights and it says are you voting for a
578. 41:08person who will protect your rights. I cannot tell you how many times in the
579. 41:13last four years especially I've had a business person tell me oh I couldn't hang
580. 41:19that poster in my workplace it's too political which I say we just gave the
581. 41:25enemy the ground you know because to put the bill of rights up is too political
582. 41:32and we wonder how come we have DEI and CRT and all this in all the workplaces
583. 41:38because we gave that ground up. So we gave that mountain. You know we were
584. 41:43talking before about the mountains of culture and just before we move you know
585. 41:48lose time for your listeners you know the mountains of culture arts and
586. 41:51entertainment business education family government media and religion. You know
587. 42:00God's been removed from every mountain of influence.
588. 42:03And it's obviously had a negative impact on America.
589. 42:06And so as believers, and as even, you know,
590. 42:11those who aren't born again, Christian believers,
591. 42:14but they may be today, oh, Christian,
592. 42:17or they may just be conservative.
593. 42:19Like honestly, we need to take these mountains back,
594. 42:22and we do it by re-educating.
595. 42:25But we can't do it by, you know, in your face,
596. 42:29you got to believe this, we have to educate them.
597. 42:33You know, we have to help them know
598. 42:34how to think about these things, not what to think.
599. 42:37And they will come to the right decision.
600. 42:41You know, Herman Cain used to say that all the time.
601. 42:43And people will make the right decision
602. 42:45if they're given the right information.
603. 42:47And now I think it's great too,
604. 42:49that we have so many more media options,
605. 42:54even though many of us have been canceled
606. 42:56or whatever over time.
607. 42:59but I think that will open up.
608. 43:01And there is a thirst, I also think,
609. 43:04being able to take these mountain back,
610. 43:06begins with spiritual revival, which we're seeing.
611. 43:09It really does.
612. 43:11Yes, we're seeing this.
613. 43:12And also that's the core.
614. 43:15Let me say also teaching biblical worldview,
615. 43:17and folks if you're just tuning in,
616. 43:19Alex McFarland here talking with Linda Hanson.
617. 43:22Linda, back in the late 80s,
618. 43:25I began to be involved in youth ministry,
619. 43:28and then got married and my wife and I,
620. 43:31she's in the medical field,
621. 43:33but we've been in youth ministry really since the 90s,
622. 43:37but I would teach it this way,
623. 43:38and I would talk about the eight engines
624. 43:41that drive the culture.
625. 43:43And to my knowledge, I had never heard,
626. 43:45I didn't know Lance Wall now,
627. 43:47and I had not read David Noble yet,
628. 43:50but I would tell all my youth from the late 80s,
629. 43:53I would say, look, there's the home, the church,
630. 43:56the classroom, the media, the marketplace, the judiciary, the arts, the sciences.
631. 44:03And I would say, look, you're going to have a foot in three of those realms, the home and
632. 44:08the family.
633. 44:09And then as a Christian, you'll be involved in church.
634. 44:12But then there's your career.
635. 44:14And there's the classroom, that's education, media, that could be journalism or broadcasting
636. 44:19or film production, perhaps.
637. 44:22And then there's the marketplace, which is business, and there are 10,000 iterations of
638. 44:29what business might be.
639. 44:31The judiciary, law, politics, the arts, and the sciences could be medicine.
640. 44:37But I would tell kids, look, wherever you go, take your biblical worldview with you.
641. 44:44Maybe you're never going to be a preacher in a pulpit, fair enough, but you'll be a business
642. 44:49person in the marketplace, or you might be in medicine, or the sciences, or education,
643. 44:55or certainly we need Christians in law and politics.
644. 44:59And years later, I worked with Dell Tackett on a thing called the Truth Project, and Dell
645. 45:06Tackett would say, look in any direction, any field, and God has spoken.
646. 45:13All of that to say this, don't you think it's very empowering when Christians of all
647. 45:19is certainly young people, when they realize that our biblical worldview really does touch
648. 45:26every field of endeavor.
649. 45:28I mean, that's pretty empowering, isn't it?
650. 45:32Absolutely, absolutely.
651. 45:34And we can see through history the people who chose to stand for Christ in their area of
652. 45:41the influence.
653. 45:43And I appreciate the fact that you mentioned, like David Noble, I mean, what a wonderful
654. 45:47ministry, Summit Ministries, and the book, Understanding the Times. And I think back to
655. 45:52also, you know, Michael Ferret starting home for the whole conversation on the
656. 45:57constitutional law class, right? These are things that everyone should
657. 46:02understand. And, you know, we have given that ground over to the enemy as we have
658. 46:09allowed the secular culture to permeate the church. And we have neglected, I mean,
659. 46:16And I'm talking as a body of believers.
660. 46:19We have so neglected true discipleship of our young people where they understand the
661. 46:27plan and purpose of God's plan for their life and the influence that we can have.
662. 46:34I mean, it is incredible when believers step up in every walk of life, you know, whether
663. 46:39their identities, a teacher, an auto mechanic, you know, a sewer, a sewer maintenance man,
664. 46:48whatever, it does not matter.
665. 46:50When believers step up, you know, we are the salt and light and part of the reason we've
666. 46:55lost the culture is because we haven't, you know, we've lost our saltiness.
667. 46:59And so to be able to stand up and say, no, you know, okay, we let some ground go, but
668. 47:06No, we are absolutely not letting the enemy have this country.
669. 47:11We are not letting the enemy have our families.
670. 47:14We are not letting the enemy have our businesses.
671. 47:16And no, you know, we stand on the board side.
672. 47:21And we are not going to let the enemy have our future.
673. 47:26Exactly, good point, good point.
674. 47:29Amen.
675. 47:30We are not.
676. 47:31You know, time fleets weigh and I want to visit again.
677. 47:34He mentioned Herman Cain and it was my privilege to meet him a little bit.
678. 47:41In a way do you think Herman Cain, because he was a non-traditional politician, very viable,
679. 47:46very intelligent, he almost was a precursor to Donald Trump, wasn't he?
680. 47:53Oh, absolutely.
681. 47:54I often say we were maga before maga was cool, but also we set the table for Trump.
682. 48:03he was number one for six weeks until of course he started pulling ahead of
683. 48:07president obama you can't have a black conservative pulling ahead of obama
684. 48:11and so they start to go out what we didn't have twitter back then we should
685. 48:15beginning we didn't really have twitter and we said it's not like i'm so sorry
686. 48:20what we're about out of time quickly quickly give your website
687. 48:24uh... prosperity one zero one dot com prosperity one-on-one dot com
688. 48:29wonderful well thank you for being with us linda and folks thanks for listening
689. 48:32Alex McFarland here for the American Family Radio Network.
690. 48:35Please go see the Bonhoeffer movie.
691. 48:38God bless you.
692. 48:38The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
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