November 27, 2024 · 48:48

Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Historian and Author, William J. Federer to discuss Thanksgiving and the state of the Culture.

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Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Historian and Author, William J. Federer to discuss Thanksgiving and the state of the Culture.

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  1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
  2. 0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
  3. 0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
  4. 0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
  5. 0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
  6. 0:18And the philosophies of this world.
  7. 0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
  8. 0:24Even in this dark moment.
  9. 0:26Let's not miss our moment.
  10. 0:28and now the Hamilton Corner.
  11. 0:33Give thanks in all circumstances for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
  12. 0:39That's 1 Thessalonians 5, 18.
  13. 0:42You know, in both Old and New Testaments throughout the Word of God, believers are enjoined to
  14. 0:47be grateful, to rejoice in the Lord, to give thanks in the Old Testament in Psalm 100 verse
  15. 0:54for, enter his gates with thanksgiving and his courts with praise.
  16. 0:58Give thanks to him and praise his name."
  17. 1:02Well, good evening folks.
  18. 1:04Alex McFarland, you're so honored.
  19. 1:06I'm thankful to be sitting in for attorney, pastor, broadcaster Abe Hamilton III.
  20. 1:12This is the Hamilton Corner.
  21. 1:14We're going to talk about Thanksgiving.
  22. 1:16We're going to talk about the state of the culture.
  23. 1:18We've got a lot of things to talk about.
  24. 1:20Maybe still even a little bit of election recap.
  25. 1:23But with me, and I am very thankful on this Thanksgiving Eve to be having a conversation
  26. 1:30with someone I've just admired for years and years, Bill Federer, William J. Federer, you
  27. 1:37know him as a renowned historian of America.
  28. 1:41He's published so many books, Miracles in American History and the Encyclopedia of God and Country
  29. 1:48Quotations.
  30. 1:49I've told this so many times, but it bears repeating.
  31. 1:53When I was a youth pastor many, many years ago, I would always give my graduating seniors
  32. 1:59books by Bill Federer would because my kids were going off to Duke and Chapel Hill and
  33. 2:04Wake Forest.
  34. 2:05And, you know, I didn't want them to turn into woke, you know, anti-American globalists
  35. 2:12and socialists.
  36. 2:14So this is, you know, in the 90s.
  37. 2:16And I would go to the Christian bookstore in Greensboro, North Carolina, and I would
  38. 2:21buy 25 and 30 and 40 copies of Bill Federer's book, America's God and Country Quotation
  39. 2:28book.
  40. 2:29And I remember I could take you to the very spot, Cornwallis Boulevard, Family Christian
  41. 2:35bookstore, Greensboro, North Carolina.
  42. 2:37I'm staring down at a box full of books by William J. Federer.
  43. 2:42And I prayed in my heart.
  44. 2:44I said, Lord, I would really like to meet that guy someday.
  45. 2:48Someday could I meet Bill Federer?
  46. 2:51And God answered that prayer and not only met him, got to be great friends with him and
  47. 2:56we've shared the stage a few times and today we share the microphone.
  48. 3:02But Bill, thanks for making time for being with us and we'll get some history.
  49. 3:07We'll talk about current events.
  50. 3:09But let me say my brother, Happy Thanksgiving.
  51. 3:13Amen, amen.
  52. 3:15Happy Thanksgiving to you, Alex.
  53. 3:17God is good.
  54. 3:18Let me ask you this.
  55. 3:20What does the Federer family do for Thanksgiving and Christmas?
  56. 3:24What are some of your traditions?
  57. 3:26Well, I'm one of 11 kids.
  58. 3:30So in the past, we had great big family gatherings.
  59. 3:34My wife and I moved to Florida about seven years ago.
  60. 3:38we have a couple of our kids and grandkids visiting. So it's quite small, but it's still fun. And we
  61. 3:44thank God for the free country that we live in. Amen. The study history and you see that most of
  62. 3:50the world's history, there's totalitarian dictators and Pharaoh's, Caesar's, Caesar's,
  63. 3:55Halton's ours, and it's top down and where there's Christians that persecuted.
  64. 3:59And America is unique because we're a bottom up form of government and Christians have freedom.
  65. 4:06And if we stay involved, then we can Lord willing keep the freedom, but if not, it's
  66. 4:13the blueprint of how the rest of the world treats Christians is pretty somber.
  67. 4:19So we have an encouragement to stay involved.
  68. 4:25Just curious, do you have a favorite holiday?
  69. 4:29Well, Thanksgiving, definitely Easter, obviously, rising from the dead of our Savior.
  70. 4:36and Christmas is fun.
  71. 4:39In Fortnite, July, I'm usually speaking somewhere, so I haven't been home on the 4th for quite
  72. 4:43a while.
  73. 4:44I like Thanksgiving, and of course, as you know, our nation has been unique in proclaiming
  74. 4:55days of Thanksgiving to God.
  75. 4:58Isn't it true, Bill, that even before the last Thursday in November, I mean, we were
  76. 5:07We had a number of Thanksgiving days here in America, even prior to the National Holiday
  77. 5:13that we now all observe.
  78. 5:16Right.
  79. 5:17So, in colonial times, they had days of prayer.
  80. 5:20When things were real bad, they had days of fasting and prayer, and when things turned
  81. 5:24around, they had days of Thanksgiving.
  82. 5:26And they would usually have the day of fasting to be good Friday.
  83. 5:30And this is what the colonies did.
  84. 5:32instances where they had a day of fasting and a ship pulls in the harbor with supplies.
  85. 5:39And they said, cancel the fasting where I've been day of Thanksgiving.
  86. 5:43And so it was a very much of a relationship with God.
  87. 5:48They were not deists.
  88. 5:50Deists believed that God made the universe with laws and then went on a walk and everything
  89. 5:56is just following these laws.
  90. 5:57And so don't bother praying.
  91. 5:59None of the founders believed that.
  92. 6:00They all believe that if we would pray God would intervene, even Ben Franklin called for
  93. 6:05prayer at the Constitutional Convention.
  94. 6:08But during the colonial times, every state had days of prayer, days of fasting.
  95. 6:13And then I put together a book called Prayers and Presidents.
  96. 6:17And I go through how you had during the Revolutionary War, Continental Congress had days of fasting
  97. 6:25and prayer.
  98. 6:26Matter of fact, two months before the Declaration of Independence, Congress had a day of fasting
  99. 6:29in prayer through the merits and mediation of Jesus Christ.
  100. 6:34And then the first Thanksgiving was after the battle of Saratoga.
  101. 6:40And it says again that the knowledge of Christianity will spread throughout the world.
  102. 6:45And when Boston Harbor was blockaded, the Virginia governor, Thomas Jefferson, had a day of fasting
  103. 6:53and prayer as governor.
  104. 6:55Thomas Jefferson.
  105. 6:57Now, when I was in college, it was drilled into us that he was a deist or maybe even a
  106. 7:03full-going secularist.
  107. 7:05But Jefferson, five-time governor of Virginia, had a day of fasting and prayer.
  108. 7:11Well, Patrick Henny was the five-time governor, but I'm sorry.
  109. 7:16I'm sorry.
  110. 7:17For several times.
  111. 7:18But Jefferson, his life went through four stages.
  112. 7:23the first he was an Anglican.
  113. 7:25And you had to take the oath of supremacy,
  114. 7:27acknowledging the king as the head of the Anglican church.
  115. 7:30And so everybody in politics in colonial Virginia
  116. 7:32had to be a faithful Anglican.
  117. 7:35And they espoused traditional doctrine, right?
  118. 7:38Father, son, the Holy Ghost.
  119. 7:39And they would recite the created church services.
  120. 7:42And so during this time is when Jefferson called
  121. 7:45for a day of fasting and prayer
  122. 7:46when the British blockaded Boston, Tarver.
  123. 7:49And then Jefferson becomes a friend of the dissenter.
  124. 7:55So what's the situation?
  125. 7:56We're fighting a war against the king
  126. 7:58and the Anglican pastors have the king as their boss.
  127. 8:01And so he would leave the church during the pastor
  128. 8:04defend the king and you'd pick up guns and fight the king.
  129. 8:07And so as the colonies were winning,
  130. 8:09people would filter out of the
  131. 8:10out of the established church and go to dissenting churches.
  132. 8:14And so during this time,
  133. 8:15Jefferson helped start a church.
  134. 8:17The Calvinistical Reform Church of Albemarle County,
  135. 8:20which met in the courthouse,
  136. 8:23and he wrote the bylaws for it,
  137. 8:25and it was a voluntary church,
  138. 8:26where the only ones paying were the ones who attended.
  139. 8:30This was a new model,
  140. 8:31because in the Anglican model,
  141. 8:33everybody in the colony had to pay taxes to the government,
  142. 8:36and then the government paid the Anglican pastors.
  143. 8:40And, but this was, and Jefferson wrote the bylaws for it,
  144. 8:44and he was there for about four years.
  145. 8:46And so during this time, he's a friend of the dissenter,
  146. 8:49predominantly, you had Baptists saying,
  147. 8:52why should we have to pay taxes to support an Anglican church
  148. 8:55that we don't go to anymore with the king as the head of it?
  149. 8:57Yeah.
  150. 8:58When the war revolution ended,
  151. 9:01the Anglicans changed it to Episcopal.
  152. 9:05So it's the same structure only without a king.
  153. 9:08But the Baptists were like,
  154. 9:10why do we have to still pay to support this Episcopal?
  155. 9:13And you had Patrick Henry and George Washington
  156. 9:15wanted to continue the Episcopal model.
  157. 9:18It's a structure, it had worked,
  158. 9:20and Jefferson was against the establishment
  159. 9:25of the Anglican Episcopal Church.
  160. 9:28Now, so the ones that were against
  161. 9:30disestablishing the Anglican Church
  162. 9:31were called anti-disattellishmentarians.
  163. 9:34That's for the,
  164. 9:35the famous multi-syllabic order
  165. 9:38that we all tried to memorize as teenagers.
  166. 9:41Yeah, and so Jefferson was their hero.
  167. 9:43And so he championed disestablishing the Episcopal Church in Virginia.
  168. 9:49And then his wife dies and three of his four kids die
  169. 9:54and he drops out of politics.
  170. 9:56And Congress keeps trying to get him to snap out of it.
  171. 9:59And they kept offering to a point in the things,
  172. 10:02he kept turning it down.
  173. 10:03His daughter said that she witnessed him burning every letter
  174. 10:07that he had with his wife Martha,
  175. 10:09it was real sad we don't have those letters.
  176. 10:11He would go out on his carriage and weep for hours. He'd lock himself in his room for days and
  177. 10:17and so
  178. 10:19So Congress asked him to be ambassador to France and he takes him up on it
  179. 10:24Well France is going through its deistic period right before its bloody French revolution
  180. 10:28And you take a guy whose wife and kids die you put him in a country with a bunch of deans and usher enough after this
  181. 10:33Jefferson becomes friend of a deist and he's you know corresponds with you know
  182. 10:38Joseph Priestley, the guy discovered oxygen and he would write letters. Well, if there's one
  183. 10:43God or 20 gods, what difference does it make? And as long as there's order in society.
  184. 10:49And then he comes back to America and he centers out as a liberal Anglican.
  185. 10:57Here's the scripture. He says, I've studied all the religions and the religion of Jesus
  186. 11:01Christ as far surpasses all of them. He puts together a book of ethics and he actually does this when
  187. 11:07when he's sending Lewis and Clark out West,
  188. 11:10and for the Indians.
  189. 11:12And he says, I've read all the other religions.
  190. 11:14He owned a Koran, and he says,
  191. 11:17the doctrines of Jesus Christ are far superior to every other.
  192. 11:21So he wants to put together book ethics for the Indians.
  193. 11:24And he goes through the Gospels,
  194. 11:26and he takes out all the verses that talk about,
  195. 11:28forgive the enemy, turn the other cheek,
  196. 11:31forgive the adulteress woman,
  197. 11:32you know, all these things,
  198. 11:34he thought if you gave him the entire Bible,
  199. 11:36that get stuck with Joshua and Moses wiping out the tribes and the problems.
  200. 11:40So let me ask you this because I've heard much skeptics will talk about the Jefferson Bible
  201. 11:47and they love to spin it this way that Jefferson was such a materialist or an empiricist.
  202. 11:53He cut out the miraculous.
  203. 11:57Are you telling me that what he did was not to de-super naturalize the Bible but he was
  204. 12:05taking out the, you know, singling out the words of Christ to basically create a cliff
  205. 12:11notes and make it as accessible as possible to the Native Americans.
  206. 12:17It wasn't to take out the miraculous, but to bring the teachings of Christ kind of to
  207. 12:22the forefront.
  208. 12:24Is that what you're saying?
  209. 12:25Yeah, yeah.
  210. 12:26He even says that.
  211. 12:27And he writes on the front page of his small little book of ethics.
  212. 12:32because for use amongst the Indians,
  213. 12:36the source of ethics,
  214. 12:40without the doctrinal issues
  215. 12:44that are beyond their level of comprehension.
  216. 12:47But he says for use amongst the Indians,
  217. 12:49and he did two copies of them,
  218. 12:51and one is in the Smithsonian.
  219. 12:55And so, and so then he centers out as a liberal Anglican,
  220. 13:00Langlickin. He does attend church services in the Capitol building and they had church services
  221. 13:08in the Capitol. And one lady wrote that she turned to greet him and she accidentally stepped
  222. 13:14on his toe and she was so embarrassed she turned and walked out. But there's Jefferson
  223. 13:19going to church in the Capitol as president. And then he writes letters to John Adams after
  224. 13:26Abigail dies and he said, we will see her again in heaven when God will wipe away every
  225. 13:32tear and will be united with our loved ones.
  226. 13:34And so we're talking about heaven, right?
  227. 13:36And God singular is not talking about Hinduism with multiple gods.
  228. 13:40He's talking about the Christian concept of heaven where all the saints will be there
  229. 13:44and you'll see your loved ones.
  230. 13:47So you can almost have Jefferson say anything you want.
  231. 13:50You just pick which time in his life you quote from.
  232. 13:54Yeah.
  233. 13:55He is a figure that, I mean, you can't just monolithically take one statement.
  234. 14:03You have to understand the various seasons and contexts of his life, don't you?
  235. 14:09Yeah, all of us go through spiritual journeys and his is just talking with a lot of letters.
  236. 14:15But two things, consistent, he always believed in a creator that gave rights to individuals
  237. 14:22and that it was wrong.
  238. 14:25He did not believe in the creator of pointing kings
  239. 14:29to be Lord over the people.
  240. 14:31Bill, forgive me.
  241. 14:33We've got to take a break.
  242. 14:34Alex McFarland here along with Bill Federer.
  243. 14:37Thanksgiving Eve.
  244. 14:38Stay tuned.
  245. 14:39The American Family Radio Network in the Hamilton Corner
  246. 14:42is back with more American history and Thanksgiving
  247. 14:46to our Savior, the Lord Jesus.
  248. 14:48Don't go away.
  249. 14:49We're back after this brief break.
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  257. 15:35shining light into the darkness.
  258. 15:37This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
  259. 15:42Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here.
  260. 15:44I hope that your family is all set for something very special.
  261. 15:49I hope you've got some loved ones you can be with.
  262. 15:51And most of all, our prayer for you is that you will reflect
  263. 15:56on all the blessings God has put into your life.
  264. 15:58We really do have so much to be thankful for.
  265. 16:01You know, as I came to record,
  266. 16:04I just, I did a funeral a couple of days ago,
  267. 16:08and then I went this morning to,
  268. 16:10my wife and I to call on a bereaved family
  269. 16:13that I'll be doing a funeral.
  270. 16:15And then a lady that just found out
  271. 16:18that she's got a terminal illness.
  272. 16:21And I mean literally moments before getting here
  273. 16:24to the microphone, we went to pray
  274. 16:26with this dear Christian lady.
  275. 16:28But you know what she said?
  276. 16:30She and her husband and the daughters were there,
  277. 16:33And she said, you know, we have so much to be thankful for.
  278. 16:37There's Jesus and salvation,
  279. 16:40and the Lord is ministering to us.
  280. 16:43And you know, even in the hardest seasons of life,
  281. 16:46we do have a lot for which to be grateful.
  282. 16:49Life, salvation, the promises of God's Word.
  283. 16:53I think also to be an American.
  284. 16:56So let me just challenge you,
  285. 16:57and I wanna hold myself to this as well.
  286. 17:00Let's be very intentional about praying and thanking God.
  287. 17:05And do you know that there's just something about,
  288. 17:07I've found this to be the case.
  289. 17:10I like to take notes and I journal a lot.
  290. 17:14I write down the blessings and I had this legal pad
  291. 17:18and I was trying to write down things I was grateful for
  292. 17:21and I ran out of paper and it does lift your spirits.
  293. 17:25And I would say this and we'll get to this topic
  294. 17:28with my guest Bill Federer in just a moment.
  295. 17:31I'm grateful that Donald Trump
  296. 17:33is going to be our next president
  297. 17:34and we need to pray for his safety.
  298. 17:37It was July 17 back in the summer
  299. 17:40that I was at the Republican convention in Milwaukee
  300. 17:43and just had about a 30 minute private meeting
  301. 17:47with Eric Trump and we prayed together.
  302. 17:49And he very emotionally was expressing gratitude to Jesus
  303. 17:54for how Donald Trump was not assassinated on July 13.
  304. 18:00And I think we all know a few millimeters of difference
  305. 18:04and it would have been very, very tragic.
  306. 18:07So we've got a lot to be grateful for.
  307. 18:09As Americans, as Christians, as individuals
  308. 18:12and I hope you're able to truly lift your heart to God
  309. 18:17in praise this Thanksgiving season.
  310. 18:21Bill Federer is our guest and it's always a joy
  311. 18:24and always very instructive and educational to talk with Bill Federer.
  312. 18:29And Bill, before the break, we were talking about the spiritual trajectory of Thomas Jefferson.
  313. 18:34I want to resume that, but I want you to give your website because your books, your emails,
  314. 18:42very, very helpful, I learned so much and I've preached from your notes very often.
  315. 18:49But Bill, give your website and tell people about your ministry, if you would.
  316. 18:53Sure, my website's americanminute.com, AmericanMinute.com, and several books, one is called
  317. 19:01Prayers and Presidents.
  318. 19:03It's all the past presidents, our proclamations of prayer, thanksgiving, and fasting, and then
  319. 19:10books I put together with my wife called Miracles in American History, where after they
  320. 19:15Great, thanks, turn around.
  321. 19:16And from, as a matter of fact,
  322. 19:21one of the ones was the whiskey rebellion, right?
  323. 19:26So we had a brand new country,
  324. 19:27and there is an actual insurrection.
  325. 19:32Alexander Hamilton was coming up with a way
  326. 19:34for the federal government to raise taxes,
  327. 19:37and he came up with the idea of an excise tax on alcohol.
  328. 19:41the problem was the farmers that lived far away from the coast, had to pay the cost of
  329. 19:47transporting it and ate up all their profit by the time it got there. And so you had this
  330. 19:52whiskey rebellion. And for several years, they organized and they were booking a vote
  331. 19:58to disunite from the country. And anyway, Washington rides out there with the army and
  332. 20:04it falls apart. And what does Washington do to those who took part of the insurrection?
  333. 20:10He pardoned them and this set a precedent for the whole world because most of the world,
  334. 20:16when there's an insurrection, a dictator will arrest and imprison those that took part in
  335. 20:21it. That's what dictators do, but Washington pardoned them and they all went back home
  336. 20:25and the country continued in peace. Isn't that amazing? So Washington proclohed the day of
  337. 20:30prayer, January 1st, 1796, when it ended. And he prayed that God would restore our country
  338. 20:40peace which it happened. And then during a quasi-war with France,
  339. 20:45quasi-war means we almost got into a war with the second biggest power in the
  340. 20:51world. France, they had a revolution. They did not have God in their revolution.
  341. 20:58They just chopped off 30,000 heads in Paris and killed 300,000 in the Vandy.
  342. 21:03their idea was that once they seized power,
  343. 21:09they declared anybody in France
  344. 21:12that wanted to maintain the old structure as a threat.
  345. 21:18And so they weaponized the military to go out and kill
  346. 21:22anybody that didn't go along with their new socialist
  347. 21:27form of government.
  348. 21:29And anyway, so they have a French foreign minister
  349. 21:32in Tali Rand and we send ambassadors to him and he says, if you brought me a million dollars
  350. 21:38under the table, I'll stop having the French attack American ships. And the cry went across
  351. 21:44America millions for defense and not one cent for tribute. The president is the president
  352. 21:50is John Adams. And so he declares a day of fasting and prayer in 1798. And he says, I
  353. 21:55hereby recommend a day of solemn humiliation, fasting and prayer. Citizens called to mind
  354. 22:00are numerous offenses against the most high God confess them before him was Cesaris penitence,
  355. 22:04implore his pardoning mercy through the great mediator and redeemer and through the grace of his holy
  356. 22:09spirit yield a more suitable obedience to his righteous requisitions, righteousness exalted
  357. 22:14the nation but sin is or approach any people. And so war was averted and we had what's called a
  358. 22:19second great awakening revival sweeping the country. And then you have the war of 1812 and James Madison
  359. 22:27is faced with the British invading our capital, burning the White House and August 25th of 1814.
  360. 22:36Dark clouds roll in, tornado touches down, knocking off debris on British troops, and
  361. 22:41horse and rider thrown to the ground, British cannons throwing yards away.
  362. 22:45A British historian said more British soldiers were killed by the stroke of nature than
  363. 22:49by all the firearms the Americans had mustered. Anyway, Madison declared several days of prayer
  364. 22:55and a day of fasting and prayer, and the war was averted. And then you had a cholera epidemic.
  365. 23:05And so the India had people whose practice was to bathe in the sewage-filled Canges River,
  366. 23:15so they were really ritual, and they would get cholera because all their sewage went into the
  367. 23:20River and it was localized until the British took over India and then people with cholera
  368. 23:27could travel back to Europe and it spread and millions died across Europe and they began
  369. 23:32to come to America. 150,000 Americans died and Zachary Taylor declared a day of fasting
  370. 23:39in prayer July 3, 1849.
  371. 23:42Hey Bill, forgive me for interject.
  372. 23:45But you know, in talking about India and bathing in the River Ganges and did you ever
  373. 23:49happen to see a book called the Politically Incorrect Guide to British colonialism.
  374. 23:56No, but I have read a whole lot on that.
  375. 24:02Yeah.
  376. 24:03You know, Dinesh D'Souza, our mutual friend who has done so many wonderful documentaries,
  377. 24:09he wrote The Forward for This.
  378. 24:10And by the way, my point in interjecting this is that, you know, wherever Christianity is
  379. 24:16gone, there is the betterment of the human condition.
  380. 24:20And somebody asked Dinesh D'Souza, what has Britain ever done for India?
  381. 24:26Because Dinesh is from India originally.
  382. 24:30And Dinesh responded, he said, what has Britain ever done for India?
  383. 24:35Well besides hygiene, medicine, literacy, infrastructure, fresh water, civil government, stability, prosperity,
  384. 24:45I guess nothing.
  385. 24:48Yeah, meaning that Christian, you know, Britain, Christendom, which is what it would have been
  386. 24:55called, you know, 200 years ago, had done quite a bit for India, not the least of which
  387. 25:02were some principles of hygiene.
  388. 25:05But the biblical worldview, where it's implemented and lived, always results in the betterment
  389. 25:12of the human condition, doesn't it?
  390. 25:14Yeah, it does.
  391. 25:16the British also spread the calendar around the world and that's why all the British settlements
  392. 25:24would use the calendar of ADBC and it finally got adopted. So the whole world uses the calendar that
  393. 25:31goes back to the date of Jesus' birth, right? That was the when it was first instituted there.
  394. 25:39Let me ask you this.
  395. 25:43BCE, common era and before the common era.
  396. 25:50It's rare.
  397. 25:51It is rare.
  398. 25:52I just bought a two-volume history book, a secular history work about a year ago and much
  399. 25:58to my pleasant surprise it used BC and AD.
  400. 26:04This BCE and CE.
  401. 26:07When did that come into popular usage?
  402. 26:11Yeah, so that was what they called higher criticism and it was the different German archaeologists
  403. 26:21in the late 1800s and then it was sort of wanting to acknowledge Christ because BC means
  404. 26:31before Christ and AD stands for Anodomani in the year of our Lord's reign.
  405. 26:38So you had dating based on kings and their reigns.
  406. 26:44And so in the Bible it would say, you know, in the 14th year of Tiberius or in the 12th
  407. 26:52year of King Hezekiah.
  408. 26:54And so they were dating stuff all the way through the 4th century by Diocletian.
  409. 27:04And it was Anno Diocletianni, and you had a monk who was translating this, and then the
  410. 27:14Muslims invaded Europe, and they would destroy things anyway.
  411. 27:22The monks were the ones who wrote and copied documents.
  412. 27:28They had this one monk and he decided that he didn't like writing down Anno Diocletiani.
  413. 27:39And so his name was Dionysus Exegis.
  414. 27:44And here was 526 AD during the reign of Emperor Justinian.
  415. 27:49And he decided in the real tiny in the margin, he would write Anno Domini, which means in
  416. 27:57the year of our Lord's reign. And if the other monks decided to ride it in their margin of
  417. 28:02their own, and then finally, since the monks were the only ones who were literate, or several
  418. 28:06centuries, that became the standard. And then when you had the age of scholasticism and then
  419. 28:16the Renaissance, then it just sort of became
  420. 28:22the new standard way of putting dates.
  421. 28:27But it's interesting Clarence Mannion,
  422. 28:29who was the Dean of Notre Dame Law School.
  423. 28:32He said, BC before Christ,
  424. 28:3480, I don't know when he in the year of our Lord,
  425. 28:36Mark, each one of the only reliable milestones
  426. 28:41along the path of world history,
  427. 28:43the end of the first time chain at the beginning of the second. And then he says, the first Christmas
  428. 28:49thus stands as the great divide for the timing and recording of all people's things and events
  429. 28:57that have lived or taken place upon this earth. It is the one place on the long, long trail of time
  430. 29:02where the magnetic needle of history stands vertical and points up.
  431. 29:07I am.
  432. 29:08That's interesting.
  433. 29:09Everything, boy, that is a great quote.
  434. 29:12That is a great quote.
  435. 29:15Let me ask you this.
  436. 29:16When the pilgrims came and Bradford and Winslow and the pilgrims came, they absolutely brought
  437. 29:29Christianity with them, didn't they?
  438. 29:32I mean, weren't they overtly explicitly biblical Christians?
  439. 29:37Right, so the situation was Reformation starts 1517,
  440. 29:42with Martin Luther, and then Martin Luther translates
  441. 29:46the Bible into German, and that helps these German
  442. 29:49princes, Frederickus, Axia, and others to break from Rome,
  443. 29:53and they did it for a spiritual reason,
  444. 29:57but Henry VIII of England did it for a wife reason.
  445. 30:01He wanted the divorce's wife and the pope wouldn't recognize the divorce.
  446. 30:05So he decides to make himself his own pope.
  447. 30:07He starts the Church of England, puts himself on his head, goes on to have six wives.
  448. 30:12Their fates were divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived.
  449. 30:15So Henry was not a really nice guy to be married to.
  450. 30:18His advisors told him that they're serious about breaking from Rome.
  451. 30:21You need to do what the Germans did, get yourself an English Bible.
  452. 30:25They got a German Bible, help them to break the Union English Bible.
  453. 30:27It just so happens that Henry had William Tyndall burnt up the stake a few years earlier for
  454. 30:33doing what, for translating the Bible in English.
  455. 30:36But now Henry wants an English Bible.
  456. 30:37So they take Tyndall's work and about 90% of it, of all English Bibles have some of William
  457. 30:43Tyndall's translation.
  458. 30:45And they polished it up, called the Great Bible.
  459. 30:47And Henry the eighth likes it and orders a copy put in every church in England, dust his
  460. 30:51hands and goes, that's it.
  461. 30:52We broke him from Rome.
  462. 30:53We got our own English Bible.
  463. 30:55We're set.
  464. 30:56He didn't realize that people would actually read it.
  465. 30:59And some decided that they wanted to purify
  466. 31:03the Church of England and they were nicknamed Puritans.
  467. 31:06Another group said it's beyond hope of purifying,
  468. 31:08we're gonna separate ourselves.
  469. 31:09And they call themselves Separatists or Baptists.
  470. 31:12And one, the founder of the Baptist Church in England,
  471. 31:16three guys, Tom is Hell-wise, John Merton and John Smith,
  472. 31:22not the Pocahontas, John Smith, right, another one.
  473. 31:25And they were arrested and they were put in the new gate prison
  474. 31:31where they would be starved to death
  475. 31:34and they had the star chamber.
  476. 31:39So that's a room with stars on the ceiling.
  477. 31:41And if you're caught being a dissenter,
  478. 31:45you were drug in there and they'd twist your arm
  479. 31:47and cut off your ear and brand you on the face as a heretic.
  480. 31:51And then they had the book of common prayer.
  481. 31:53Now, they're really good prayers,
  482. 31:55but they made the decision that you could only pray
  483. 31:59out of the Book of Common Prayer.
  484. 32:01And so if you were caught with a small group of people
  485. 32:04making up your own prayers, the FBI would kick in the door
  486. 32:08and arrest you and drag you to the Star Chamber
  487. 32:10and they brand you on the faces of the heretic.
  488. 32:12Oh, my word Bill, hold that.
  489. 32:13I thought we've got to take a brief break.
  490. 32:14It's Thanksgiving Eve, everyone.
  491. 32:16You're listening to the American Family Radio Network,
  492. 32:19Alex MacFarlane, William J. Bill Federer.
  493. 32:23Talk about our history.
  494. 32:24Grateful for our present.
  495. 32:26Stay tuned, we're back after this.
  496. 32:31We're gonna dig a little deeper into the verse
  497. 32:33we started with Matthew 624 and a few others.
  498. 32:36We cannot serve God and money.
  499. 32:39That generosity is a key piece of this as well.
  500. 32:43I think about what Ron blew the author says often.
  501. 32:46That is that giving actually loosens the grip
  502. 32:50that money can have over our lives.
  503. 32:53Faith and Finance with Rob West, weekdays at 9 a.m. Central, or on the AFR app.
  504. 32:59Hamilton Quarter Podcast and One-Bitted Common Terrets are available at AFR.net.
  505. 33:10Back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio.
  506. 33:15Welcome back to the program, folks.
  507. 33:17We have a lot to be grateful for, and I want to say as one of the broadcasters on the American
  508. 33:22Family Radio Network, dear listeners, we are thankful for you.
  509. 33:27We pray that God blesses you in so many ways.
  510. 33:30Everywhere I travel, people come up to me and they express what AFR means to them and
  511. 33:37we give God the glory.
  512. 33:39I want to say how much I appreciate that it's been an amazing year in my own travels and
  513. 33:44ministries.
  514. 33:45I had a major citywide crusade there outside of Lubbock, Texas in Plainview.
  515. 33:51And if you go to my website, which is alexmcfarlane.com, a lot of articles that I've written for townhall.com,
  516. 34:02the Daily Caller, all of my articles are there.
  517. 34:05My schedule for 2025.
  518. 34:07We have two multi-church citywide crusades, one in Berry, Alabama, one in Carthage, Mississippi.
  519. 34:14We'll have seven Christian worldview youth camps next summer.
  520. 34:19of 25. We'll have more than 1200 teenagers in our seven youth camps. And then twice I'll
  521. 34:26be at the Cove, the Billy Graham Training Center in Western North Carolina. I'll be there teaching
  522. 34:31the book of Job. And then also there with J. Warner Wallace doing a week of apologetics,
  523. 34:38which if you so choose, you can get college credit for. But the website for the Cove is
  524. 34:44just thecove.org, T-H-E-C-O-V-E, thecove.org.
  525. 34:50And finally, in June of next year, the activate Biblical World View Summit that the American
  526. 34:58Family Association is putting on.
  527. 35:00I'll be one of the speakers at that, along with great people like Frank Turic and Abe
  528. 35:05Hamilton III and many others.
  529. 35:08So hey, I would love to see you next year when I'm on the road, you know, coming soon to
  530. 35:13to a city near you.
  531. 35:15But keep us in prayer, and we give God the glory.
  532. 35:18People are getting saved.
  533. 35:19Young people are giving their lives to Christ.
  534. 35:23And my guest Bill Federer, I know Bill would concur.
  535. 35:29As you travel and speak, Bill,
  536. 35:31don't you find that people of all ages,
  537. 35:34but especially young people, they respond to truth,
  538. 35:38so enthusiastically.
  539. 35:40You know, I have people ask me a lot of times as I teach biblical worldview, apologetics,
  540. 35:47people say, do young people care about truth and biblical, you know, scriptural truth?
  541. 35:54And I say, listen, in our experience, middle schoolers, high schoolers, college kids, they
  542. 36:01embrace what we teach, like a thirsty person would receive cool water on a hot summer day.
  543. 36:08Bill, don't you think there's a real hunger and thirst for truth and people respond very
  544. 36:15enthusiastically when they're taught truth? Don't you see that too?
  545. 36:20Yes, yes, and also courage. I think they want to be challenged. I think the era of watering
  546. 36:27down the gospel to try to get everybody in and then relaxing. You have to keep it watered
  547. 36:33down to keep them in. And then it ends up becoming a weak church. I think that younger
  548. 36:42generation wants to be challenged. Yeah. And courage inspires courage. And when you
  549. 36:51right, you see sports and there's a courageous athlete, right? But same thing with the gospel.
  550. 36:57if you have people that are willing to stand up for truth and you know recently there was been this
  551. 37:06gender confusion push that was just invented just a couple years ago by leftists and because
  552. 37:14there are psyops right there are ability to control media and entertainment to push
  553. 37:20that you can be any type of sex you want.
  554. 37:23And it makes no sense that you can have guys
  555. 37:28that are foot taller than girls competing in the same race
  556. 37:32and the same sports and knocking out their teeth
  557. 37:36and injuring them.
  558. 37:37And people are like, this is crazy.
  559. 37:42And one doctor explained to me that every cell in your body
  560. 37:44has either an XX or if you're a woman or an XY
  561. 37:47of your man and that you get new cells all the time.
  562. 37:51And so even if you think that you've changed,
  563. 37:55your body keeps reproducing cells
  564. 37:57with the original XX or XY.
  565. 38:00So you have to continually take hormone suppressants
  566. 38:04to suppress the expression of the gene and all this.
  567. 38:09But your body's like crying out continually.
  568. 38:12I wanna go back to normal.
  569. 38:13And people are saying, you know,
  570. 38:15enough of this craziness, stop experimenting on kids
  571. 38:20and they're minors.
  572. 38:22You can't drive a car until you're 16.
  573. 38:28You can't, you know, vote.
  574. 38:29You can't drink alcohol.
  575. 38:31And yet you're wanting to say that these kids
  576. 38:33can do life altering surgeries.
  577. 38:35And anyway, I think the younger generation
  578. 38:38is seeing through a lot of this nonsense.
  579. 38:40Yeah.
  580. 38:41And they're saying, we want truth.
  581. 38:42We want people that can speak the truth,
  582. 38:44stand up for the truth,
  583. 38:45and we don't want this message that,
  584. 38:48oh, God loves you no matter what,
  585. 38:50he does love you, and he calls you to repent,
  586. 38:52and he's made a way that you as a sinner
  587. 38:56can come to him and not be judged,
  588. 38:57is called his son, that Jesus took the judge in your place,
  589. 39:01so you don't get judged.
  590. 39:02But he didn't say there's no sin,
  591. 39:04he just said that Jesus paid for your sin.
  592. 39:07And so, we'll think that, again, to your knowledge,
  593. 39:11what you were saying is that people want truth
  594. 39:14and you want some of enough courage to speak it.
  595. 39:17You know, before the break you were talking about
  596. 39:19the Bible being put into English and it excites me.
  597. 39:23And by the way, one of the things that we should
  598. 39:26thank God for as we sit around our Thanksgiving table
  599. 39:30and bow our heads and we give gratitude and glory to God,
  600. 39:34let's be thankful for the Bible that we have the word
  601. 39:37of God in English which we can read
  602. 39:40Because wherever the Bible goes, great works of God follow and great awakenings, movements
  603. 39:49of the Holy Spirit, Bill, you were talking about how Henry VIII, I do think it's poignant
  604. 39:56and ironic that, because I love William Tyndale.
  605. 39:59I'm a huge fan of William Tyndale.
  606. 40:02And yet Tyndale was burned at the stake for putting the New Testament into English and yet
  607. 40:10Henry VIII for expedient reasons, wanted an English Bible and then used much of Tyndale's
  608. 40:17work.
  609. 40:18It's kind of ironic there.
  610. 40:20But finished that thought about how it really did change the path of world history when the
  611. 40:28Bible was fully put into English and, well, the King James Bible, which was a best-seller
  612. 40:34for four centuries plus.
  613. 40:37But talk about that if you would.
  614. 40:39Yeah, Wendell went William Tyndall's last words before he died was Lord open the King of England's eyes
  615. 40:45And so that's after that that the king said hey, I want an English Bible to separate from Roman
  616. 40:50And then in 1664 the English passed the conventional act comes from the word covenant where two or three are gathered in my name
  617. 40:57I'm in the midst and these were considered illegal house church meetings and they would bust in and arrest you
  618. 41:03if you weren't licensed to have a church meeting.
  619. 41:08And they later changed the name of it to the Riot Act.
  620. 41:12And so the police would bust in,
  621. 41:13pull out a piece of paper and read the Riot Act
  622. 41:16because they thought you could be organizing a Riot.
  623. 41:18And it says immediately disperse,
  624. 41:20or we're gonna put you into that star chamber
  625. 41:22and they'll cut off your ear
  626. 41:25and it went into our vernacular read them the Riot Act.
  627. 41:28It's so severe.
  628. 41:30Somebody that was caught during this was John Bunyan.
  629. 41:33and he was drug away for having a Bible study,
  630. 41:35and he said better to be persecuted than the persecute tour,
  631. 41:39and he spent 12 years jail,
  632. 41:41and that's when he wrote Pilgrim's Progress.
  633. 41:43And then there's Jenny Gettis.
  634. 41:45So the very first time that the English book
  635. 41:50of Common Prayer was used in Scotland,
  636. 41:53the Scottish people didn't want that.
  637. 41:56And so at St. Giles Cathedral,
  638. 41:58Jenny Gettis, a market woman, throws her three-legged stool and it waxed into the minister as he's
  639. 42:08reading from the Book of Common Prayer and knocks it out of his hand. And then everybody starts throwing
  640. 42:13stuff and then it turns into a riot and then the king sends up his army to squelch it. It's called
  641. 42:18the Bishop's War and then they demand that every church use the Book of Common Prayer. Well, the
  642. 42:23church members are like, hey, let's just meet in a field. Well, guess what? The king sends his army
  643. 42:27into the fields and chases them down and arrests them and kills them. It's called the killing time.
  644. 42:33Could you imagine the government doing this? And even you can, this was what the Scottish Parliament
  645. 42:41wrote. It says that there are still those that in their houses and fields,
  646. 42:48conventions, their nurseries of rendezvous, of rebellion, and his magices that also
  647. 42:55person who shall hereafter preach at such house or field
  648. 42:58conventions, or who shall be present as hearers shall be punished by death and confiscation of their
  649. 43:06goods. All you got to do is be a hearer of somebody preaching in a field." And anyway, so it was this
  650. 43:12attitude that the king was arresting his Baptist leaders and putting them in jail. They didn't give
  651. 43:18meaning they're right with, and of course they didn't feed you in an English prison. And so John
  652. 43:22Merton was in the Newgate prison and a friend brought him some food and a bottle of milk,
  653. 43:27but instead of a cork, it had a wad of paper. And when the guard wasn't around, he unfolds the paper,
  654. 43:33takes a splinter, dips it in the milk and writes out his pamphlets. The milk dries, it's clear,
  655. 43:38and then he folds it up and puts it in the empty bottle. And the guard takes it and his friend takes
  656. 43:42it home and unfolds it and holds it above a candle. And the heat of the candle turned the milk brown,
  657. 43:47and they could see what he wrote and they typeset it and they're printing these pamphlets. And they're
  658. 43:50and they're like, how's he getting it out of the jail?
  659. 43:52And he would say things like,
  660. 43:53no man, how do we persecute it for his religion?
  661. 43:55And the practices of Christ and his disciples,
  662. 43:57so no such thing as persecuting people.
  663. 44:00Anyway, so you have these people being persecuted,
  664. 44:06even William Penn spent eight months in the Tower of London.
  665. 44:11And he said, force makes hypocrites to his persuasion
  666. 44:13only that makes converts.
  667. 44:15And so the pilgrims, a group of them sell their property
  668. 44:18and decide they're gonna go to the Netherlands.
  669. 44:21Seven provinces that are in an 80-year war
  670. 44:24of independence from Spain.
  671. 44:26And right before the ship takes off,
  672. 44:28the captain robs them and turns them over
  673. 44:30to the police, they're put in jail as heretics.
  674. 44:33Another group of these pilgrim separatists,
  675. 44:36they were like Baptists,
  676. 44:37they arranged for a Dutch ship to come along the coast
  677. 44:41and they would be in rowboats and they would row out.
  678. 44:44Well, the pilgrim show up a day early
  679. 44:47and the waves are rough and the women take it.
  680. 44:50We just wait on shore with our kids
  681. 44:52and the men say okay.
  682. 44:54And then finally the Dutch ship shows up,
  683. 44:56the men row out there and they're stowing everything.
  684. 44:58But before they can come back for the women and children,
  685. 45:01somebody snitched, the British came over the hill
  686. 45:04and arrested the women and children.
  687. 45:05And the Dutch cat, like I don't have an army with me,
  688. 45:08and he pulls anchor and sails away with the men.
  689. 45:11And you can just picture these wives
  690. 45:13looking at that little ship getting smaller
  691. 45:15smaller and disappearing over the horizon. And for two years, they pass those women and
  692. 45:19children from one court in England to another, one jail to another. Finally, a judge said,
  693. 45:24you didn't do anything wrong. Go home. They go, duh, we sold our homes. And just to get them out
  694. 45:28of their hair, they put them out of ships, sent them to Holland, and they somehow find their husbands.
  695. 45:32Twelve years in Holland, Spain threatened to attack the pilgrims to side to flee again.
  696. 45:37This time, they thought of going to Guyana in South America, but they heard of the Spanish
  697. 45:42having wiped out the French Protestant settlement at Jacksonville, Florida called Fort Caroline.
  698. 45:49They butchered hundreds of the men. The Pilgrims said, we don't want to go near the Spanish main,
  699. 45:56so they decided to go to Jamestown, which started 14 years earlier. The Pilgrims get blown off course,
  700. 46:05they landed in Massachusetts, tri-sailing south almost sink in a storm. The captain goes back to
  701. 46:10to Plymouth Rock says off the boat, they said, we have a question, who's going to be in charge?
  702. 46:14There's 102 of us in our boat, nobody's been picked by the king. We were going to go to
  703. 46:18Virginia and submit to the king's government. They do something unique that we remember
  704. 46:22them for called the Mayflower Compact. And it's we and the president of God covenant ourselves
  705. 46:28together into a civil body politic. They take their covenant church form of government and
  706. 46:32they turn it into their civil government. And they said, having undertaken for the glory
  707. 46:36God and the advancement of the Christian faith. And so the pilgrims land, half of them died the first
  708. 46:41winner and in the next spring out of the woods comes an Indian speaking to them in broken English and
  709. 46:48tells them about another Indian named Squanto who shows up. He speaks to them in perfect English and
  710. 46:53this is where it gets fascinating. So the pilgrims were religious but guess what others weren't.
  711. 47:00And so you had Spanish winning gold, but some of the previous English ships lured Indians
  712. 47:08on their boat, took them to Spain and sold them into slavery to make a quick buck.
  713. 47:13And Squanto was one of those taken captive.
  714. 47:16He's purchased by some monks who introduced him to Christianity and let him go free and
  715. 47:21he hitchhikes his way across Europe, makes his way to England, learns the language after
  716. 47:26like a dozen years, he finds a fishing company that drops him off in Newfoundland and then he goes back
  717. 47:32to where his family was from and finds they're all dead from an illness. A French ship had shipwrecked
  718. 47:39right at Cape Cod three years earlier and the sailors got ashore but the Indians never left
  719. 47:44dogging them until they killed them all but evidently one had an illness and white dog.
  720. 47:49Now forgive me though the first Thanksgiving as we think of it would have been what about 1621?
  721. 47:56Right. Yeah. We are almost out of time. Do you have a book that one of your books, and we've
  722. 48:03only got a few seconds, but one of your books that would kind of recap this. It's called
  723. 48:08the Treacherous World of the 16th century and how the pilgrims escaped it. So it goes through
  724. 48:14the whole politics of the world, the Ottoman Empire, the Persian shaw, the king of Spain,
  725. 48:20France, Austria, and... Almost out of time, brother. I want to say thank you, Bill Federer of the
  726. 48:25American Minute. Happy Thanksgiving and folks, Alex McFarland here saying,
  727. 48:29may God bless you and may God give us grateful hearts and fruitful lives. Thanks
  728. 48:35for listening. Stay tuned. The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may
  729. 48:42not necessarily reflect those of the American Family Association or American
  730. 48:47Family Radio.

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