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11. 0:33Well, good evening America, Alex McFarland here,
12. 0:36you know, in times like these watching the news
13. 0:39in the world around us, it can perhaps be agonizing,
14. 0:42but for a guy like me that gets opportunity to do radio
15. 0:47and comment on the news and have very insightful guests
16. 0:52to help analyze the world around us,
17. 0:54it's actually somewhat gratifying,
18. 0:57and I welcome you to The Hamilton Corner,
19. 0:58attorney, pastor, journalist Abe Hamilton is traveling and I have the privilege of sitting
20. 1:04in as I very often do.
21. 1:06And there's so much in the news.
22. 1:08It just seems, you know, I was at the RNC and I've commented on that two weeks ago in
23. 1:14Milwaukee.
24. 1:15I was there for the RNC and had a 30 minute conversation, great meeting with Eric Trump
25. 1:23and Laura Trump and Mayor Giuliani and Cory Lewandowski that was Trump's first campaign
26. 1:28manager, interviewed Michael and Dale and quite a number of elected officials, Ben Carson,
27. 1:35that I've had the privilege of knowing for a long time because we do care about the state
28. 1:40of the country.
29. 1:42And one of the issues that I have commented on much in recent months has been the rise and
30. 1:49the toleration in America of anti-Semitism.
31. 1:54And so last week when Benjamin Netanyahu spoke
32. 1:58in Washington, presumptive nominee for the Democrat side,
33. 2:02Kamala Harris was not there.
34. 2:05But someone who was there that I'm just so privileged
35. 2:08to be able to call on short notice
36. 2:11and really pick their brain.
37. 2:12It's my friend, E.J. Kimball of combat anti-Semitism,
38. 2:16which is a great organization.
39. 2:18And I want to get his take on what's going on at least in terms
40. 2:23of Israel, the Middle East, combating Hamas terrorism,
41. 2:28but also hearing about the latest
42. 2:30from the Organization Combat Antisemitism.
43. 2:34He's with us now, E.J. Kimball.
44. 2:36Thank you again for making time to join us
45. 2:38on the American Family Radio Network.
46. 2:41Alex, it's always great for you to be with you
47. 2:44and to talk about, unfortunately,
48. 2:46these dangerous times that we live in,
49. 2:48but the importance of bringing this information to the people
50. 2:53so that they understand what's going on.
51. 2:56Indeed, before we get into some of the issues,
52. 2:59I want you to give your website out
53. 3:02and we'll repeat this in the broadcast,
54. 3:04but what is the organization
55. 3:07that you represent combat antisemitism?
56. 3:11Yeah, so we are the combat antisemitism movement.
57. 3:16you can visit us at combatantismetism.org.
58. 3:20We're a network of over 850 organizations
59. 3:24that have partnered together, including you, Alex,
60. 3:27in this effort to combat the world's oldest hatred.
61. 3:32And unfortunately, today we are seeing it rising up
62. 3:36and getting mainstreamed,
63. 3:38which has only made our work that much more important.
64. 3:41So that's combatantismetism.org.
65. 3:46Yeah, and you and I have talked about this on numerous occasions, but it really has made
66. 3:51my heart heavy.
67. 3:53It's, E.J., it's really a combination of grief and shock.
68. 3:58Look, I know, especially in academia, because I've spent a lot of my adult life as a college
69. 4:04professor.
70. 4:06And I know in American academia, there's not a lot of support for the nation of Israel because
71. 4:13There's not a lot of people that recognize the historicity of Israel and what we read
72. 4:20in the Scriptures about the nation of Israel.
73. 4:24But I got to tell you, since October of 23 and the terrorist attacks, I have been shocked,
74. 4:34I mean speechless at not only how, and I'm going to use the term because it's the right
75. 4:41Jew hatred sadly not only has it been tolerated exacerbated even encouraged
76. 4:50have you been shocked at just the the the toleration and and almost celebration
77. 4:58of Jew hatred since last fall.
78. 5:02Daddly I have not been shocked but many of my friends have been shocked and that
79. 5:10It also includes people who have recognized the growing danger.
80. 5:17Because I've been deeply embedded in looking at what's going on around the country and working
81. 5:25in this space for so long, the seeds have been germinating for years.
82. 5:31October 7th was sort of a, it wasn't just this attack that Famas launched against Israel
83. 5:42and the Jewish people.
84. 5:43It was also an attack that went against Jews around the world while it has not manifested
85. 5:50significantly in a violent way, and I preface significantly in a violent way because there
86. 5:56has been violence, but the antagonism and threatening nature of these movements, not
87. 6:05pro-Palestinian protesters who are protesting for Palestinian rights, but these are pro-Hamas
88. 6:12protesters.
89. 6:13They are supporting Hamas and what Hamas sought to do against Israel.
90. 6:17They're supporting Hezbollah and what Hezbollah seeks to do against Israel in the wrong.
91. 6:23That is what these protest movements and what has happened on college campuses has been
92. 6:28brewing for years.
93. 6:31I'm talking years meaning like decades that has been brewing there.
94. 6:36After October 7th it exploded.
95. 6:41This was not just about Jew hatred.
96. 6:43This was also about anti-Americanism and American support for Israel and the Jewish people.
97. 6:53I am not shocked by what I saw.
98. 6:56It is disheartening to see in many cases, cowardice,
99. 7:03by those who should be in positions of leadership,
100. 7:07stepping in and doing what they should be doing
101. 7:10and stopping it.
102. 7:11That has been the most concerning aspect of it for me.
103. 7:15Yeah, and cowardice, I mean, that's the appropriate word
104. 7:19because to be on record unequivocally,
105. 7:22and not equivocating well this, but maybe, no, it is wrong. And it's a puzzlement to me,
106. 7:30E.J., that in this world, I mean, we've for years social justice, equality, anti-racism.
107. 7:37This is the racism that gets sanctioning by, you know, American academia, celebrities,
108. 7:47Patriot of Jewish people, not acknowledging Israel's right to self-defense.
109. 7:53I was just blown away the disrespect, not to mention inaccuracy when Prime Minister Benjamin
110. 8:03Netanyahu was speaking that Tlaib of the squad was holding up a little placard that said war
111. 8:10criminal.
112. 8:12I mean, that's ludicrous.
113. 8:16Folks, this is why, look, be a person of conviction, be a person of courage, be able,
114. 8:22every listener, to be able to unequivocally say, now I stand for the rights of the Jewish
115. 8:28people.
116. 8:29I stand for the nation of Israel, for self-determination.
117. 8:33It's a sovereign nation.
118. 8:34It's our longest ally and our only stable, dependable friend in the Middle East.
119. 8:39EJ, I thought it was moving.
120. 8:41I was in a car, I pulled over, I listened on the radio,
121. 8:45and Netanyahu was very clear.
122. 8:47He said, regardless of who is elected,
123. 8:52America and Israel have been friends,
124. 8:55and we will be your friend.
125. 8:56I thought that was quite moving.
126. 9:00And look, I'm on record, I'm voting Republican,
127. 9:05and I wanna talk about the RNC,
128. 9:07and a group that I spoke with, Jews for Trump.
129. 9:12But I thought it was very magnanimous
130. 9:16that he was on record saying,
131. 9:18regardless of who occupies the Oval Office,
132. 9:23Israel plans to be America's friend,
133. 9:26even if America is not the friend that we should be.
134. 9:31That was pretty powerful, wasn't it?
135. 9:35Well, the whole speech, I was very fortunate enough to be in that, in the gallery, watching
136. 9:42his speech.
137. 9:44And even just being there in the energy in that room and the emotion when he recognized
138. 9:55the different IDF soldiers, one who was Ethiopian family came from Ethiopia on October 7th,
139. 10:04He heard what was going on.
140. 10:07He put on his shoes.
141. 10:08He put on, grabbed his gun in uniform.
142. 10:10He didn't have a car.
143. 10:12So what did he do?
144. 10:13He ran eight miles to go fight.
145. 10:18And just seeing the valor that these,
146. 10:22I mean, someone who lost vision in,
147. 10:27I believe his right eye and lost his left arm
148. 10:30and is about to return as a commander.
149. 10:32I mean, that is the heart of the Israeli army, who is fighting for survival on behalf of
150. 10:43civilization.
151. 10:44And the Prime Minister nailed it, where he said, this is not a clash of civilizations.
152. 10:49This is a clash of civilization versus barbarism.
153. 10:53Yes.
154. 10:54So if people can recognize that, there is no question what side the world should be on.
155. 11:02There is no two sides to this war.
156. 11:06It is either the side of civilization or you're on the side of barbarism.
157. 11:11And the speech went over well, and there were some members of Congress who do not like the
158. 11:16Prime Minister, who were there, who are not fans of what Israel is doing, who were there,
159. 11:23and they were respectful.
160. 11:25And I even watched them have time stood up and cheered and clapped, not all the time, but
161. 11:30some of the time.
162. 11:31And it shows the strength of the US-Israel relationship, and even in the Democratic Party,
163. 11:38which is having a challenge right now, I think, is a mild way of putting it.
164. 11:45What the Prime Minister made the point is, if this becomes a partisan issue where only
165. 11:51one party supports Israel, that is not going to just be dangerous for Israel.
166. 11:56That's going to be extremely dangerous for the United States of America because our enemies
167. 12:01are the same enemy as Israel's enemies.
168. 12:05For those just tuning in, Alex McFarlane here
169. 12:07with our frequent guest and colleague and friend,
170. 12:11E.J. Kimball, of the combat anti-Semitism movement.
171. 12:16And we've got a lot to talk about.
172. 12:18But E.J., I would ask you, what would you
173. 12:21like the average American to know who, I mean,
174. 12:25when you hear about anti-Semitism and abandonment
175. 12:29of standing with Israel and somebody says, well, I'm aware of this, but that doesn't really
176. 12:35touch my life.
177. 12:36So I'm not terribly invested in that issue because it doesn't really involve me.
178. 12:42I would argue it does.
179. 12:44To the person who's non-committal, what would you say?
180. 12:51I would tell them that there is no non-committal.
181. 12:56Once you are aware of what is going on, if you choose to ignore it, you are being complicit.
182. 13:05Now, look, if you don't understand it, I've run into people who are not very religious,
183. 13:13certainly not Jewish, and I would say about four months after October 7, they really
184. 13:20had no idea what was going on.
185. 13:22But then they actually, when they were surprised to hear it from me, they did some research
186. 13:27and they were shocked because they just didn't know.
187. 13:30But now that they know that you have to act and if you don't act, you are complicit.
188. 13:37There is no neutral party in this matter.
189. 13:44And if you believe in God, if you believe in good versus evil and you don't act, you
190. 13:54You are helping the other side.
191. 13:56Your silence is complicity.
192. 13:59And I'll give you one little anecdote.
193. 14:03I've been wearing a yellow ribbon pin, symbolizing the hostages, including American hostages
194. 14:12that are held by Hamas.
195. 14:14And I wear it on my lapel every time I've got my jacket on.
196. 14:18And I went to a meeting in Washington, D.C., you know, building and the person, the security
197. 14:25guard, was looked at it and asked me what that was and I said it's for the hostages.
198. 14:30He said I thought that was.
199. 14:31I haven't seen anyone wearing it.
200. 14:33E.J., forgive me.
201. 14:34We've only had about 20 seconds to the break.
202. 14:38You're going to have to conclude this story after this break and I beg your forgiveness,
203. 14:41but folks, we've got a brief little intermission here.
204. 14:44Alex McFarland, this is the American Family Radio Network.
205. 14:47will continue much more on this edition of the Hamilton
206. 14:51Corner with E.J. Kimball, Carl Kirby, and more.
207. 14:53Stay tuned.
208. 14:54We're back after this brief break.
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232. 16:17Welcome back to the program.
233. 16:19Alex McRond here, very honored to be sitting in
234. 16:21for attorney and pastor Abe Hamilton,
235. 16:24my guest on the phone, E.J. Kimball,
236. 16:26of the Combat Antisemitism Movement.
237. 16:30E.J. before the break,
238. 16:31you were talking about wearing a yellow ribbon
239. 16:34to show solidarity for the hostages
240. 16:37and finish that story, if you would.
241. 16:40Yeah, so I was saying I went to a meeting
242. 16:43in an office building in D.C. with the ribbon on,
243. 16:46and the security guard asked me what it was for.
244. 16:49And I confirmed that it was for the hostages, including the American hostages.
245. 16:55And he said that he hadn't seen anyone wearing it in the building, and then he pulls out a
246. 17:00chain necklace that he was wearing that was tucked into a shirt that had a star of David
247. 17:07with a cross in the middle.
248. 17:09And he said that he's a Christian, and he supports and loves Israel and the Jewish people.
249. 17:14And I said to him, I urged him.
250. 17:17I said, don't hide it.
251. 17:19Wear it out because there are so many people
252. 17:22who are on the right side,
253. 17:25but because of how strong and vocal the opposition is,
254. 17:29these protesters that are out there
255. 17:31and threatening Jews and their supporters,
256. 17:34we need to show solidarity and show the power
257. 17:37of the numbers who actually are on the right side
258. 17:40of this issue.
259. 17:40So I really urge people not to be afraid
260. 17:44to stand up and speak the truth.
261. 17:47Well, indeed, indeed, and all of us should and folks, I'm going to say this, that the way
262. 17:54that Kamala Harris wouldn't attend Benjamin Netanyahu's recent visit to Washington in that
263. 18:02speech, you know, that to me, that would have been low hanging fruit as an aspiring presidential
264. 18:12candidate to go.
265. 18:13I mean, the fact that she didn't go and went to something, a very superficial event that
266. 18:20she could do anytime, that says a lot.
267. 18:24And I frankly, I hope it influences a lot of people in the way they vote.
268. 18:32Let me ask you this.
269. 18:34Do you think that Prime Minister Netanyahu, I mean, the fact that Kamala Harris, the candidate
270. 18:42for the Democrat Party, wouldn't even acknowledge his presence in Washington. What do you think
271. 18:52that message sends to him?
272. 18:55Well, I think the fact that she did not preside over that joint session of Congress for his
273. 19:03that joint meeting of Congress for the Prime Minister's address, which is part of her constitutional
274. 19:09duties as president, not just as vice president of the United States, but also president of
275. 19:13the Senate was a striking message about her policy on Israel.
276. 19:20And you can excuse it as politics, but that's the whole point is if you're excusing it, then
277. 19:26you're allowing it.
278. 19:28And another thing that has not gotten a lot of attention, but typically when a head of
279. 19:33state, a foreign head of state is in Washington, D.C., they line the streets of Pennsylvania
280. 19:39Avenue and the White House with the flags of that country.
281. 19:43And they didn't do that.
282. 19:45And this is typical of what's happening in this country.
283. 19:48When any minority group is threatened, when the Black community is Hispanic, Asian-American,
284. 19:54any of these communities are threatened, everyone stands up for their rights.
285. 19:58Everyone is out on the streets.
286. 19:59When a country has been attacked, you see the support, their flag is waving.
287. 20:04But when it comes to Jews or it comes to the Jewish state, that's where they draw the line.
288. 20:12So when the leader of the Jewish state of Israel comes to Washington, because there's
289. 20:17going to be protesters who may try to rip down these flags and as we saw, be face federal
290. 20:23property, instead of holding them accountable to the full extent of the law, we then go over
291. 20:29backwards to give them the ability to impact how we actually act, to impact our freedoms,
292. 20:38to run our country the way that we are supposed to do it.
293. 20:41And that's the danger of this type of behavior
294. 20:46where it's normalizing this Jew hatred.
295. 20:49As you say, and I'm glad that you use that word,
296. 20:51not anti-Semitism because that's too hard to understand.
297. 20:55Jew hatred is what it is.
298. 20:57And that is the danger that we face today.
299. 21:00And until people start standing up and our media
300. 21:02starts calling it out for what it is
301. 21:05and stops holding everything to a double standard
302. 21:08when it comes to Jews, and they don't have to mention
303. 21:11Islamophobia whenever there's an attack on Jews
304. 21:14that's anti-Semitism.
305. 21:16Anti-Semitism, Jew hatred, can stand on its own
306. 21:20and can be addressed individually
307. 21:24before we deal with other problems,
308. 21:26because that is the biggest problem we face today.
309. 21:30Yeah, and I mean, it really does show
310. 21:33that we're in a battle of worldview.
311. 21:35It shows the spiritual dynamics.
312. 21:37Like you say, like Netanyahu said, this is civilization versus barbarism.
313. 21:45This is dark versus light.
314. 21:47This is good versus evil.
315. 21:49And folks, I would just beg of you to have the courage and the conviction to take a stand,
316. 21:55the Bible Psalm 122 verse 6 says that we are to pray for the peace of Jerusalem.
317. 22:02EJ when I was at the RNC and there was a group of, I'm going to say at least two dozen men,
318. 22:09obviously Orthodox Jewish men, and they were holding up signs that said Jews for Trump.
319. 22:14And I went over there and I was talking with them, just wonderful people.
320. 22:18And I said, just for the record, and they asked me, they said, what organization are you
321. 22:24with?
322. 22:25And I was there doing media for the American Family Association and also VCY television.
323. 22:31And I said, just for the record categorically, we stand with Israel, we stand against hatred
324. 22:38of the Jewish people.
325. 22:40And I mean, they were very moved.
326. 22:42And one Jewish man, he said, son, you're on the right side of history and you're on
327. 22:48God's side.
328. 22:49And I said, well, blessings to you as well.
329. 22:53But for one thing, and not to be partisan because look, this is human rights.
330. 23:00This is what is morally right.
331. 23:02Do you think that the way the Democrat leaders, not all, but almost all, have stood with terrorism
332. 23:14and not stood for Israel, not condemned anti-Semitism?
333. 23:19EJ, do you think that really, I don't mean to generalize, but in general, the Democrat
334. 23:30party has had the jewish vote to a large degree in america
335. 23:35did you think that's going to really change
336. 23:37i i personally think it is but what do you think i i think it
337. 23:41i think it may and i watch the republican convention i plan to watch the
338. 23:46democratic convention
339. 23:47and what me truck me about the republican convention
340. 23:51was the amount of american flags israeli flag to talk about returning the
341. 23:56the hostages, support for Israel, and I'm going to be very focused in on how that plays
342. 24:03out in Chicago for the Democratic Convention, because that will tell you what you need to
343. 24:07know about where the party stands.
344. 24:10Yeah.
345. 24:11Well, and let me say this, I heard Donald Trump speak in February, and he was introduced, I
346. 24:15was in Nashville at a meeting with about 2,000 faith leaders, Christian leaders, and you may
347. 24:23have been there.
348. 24:24Were you there at the NRB when Trump spoke?
349. 24:28I was at the NRB, but I was not there when he spoke.
350. 24:31Well, he was introduced by David Friedman, of whom you may know.
351. 24:36And was he the U.S. ambassador to Israel during the Trump years?
352. 24:42Was that his role?
353. 24:43Yes.
354. 24:44Yes, that was.
355. 24:45And David Friedman came out to thunderous applause, but he introduced Donald Trump and
356. 24:52And he said, you know, I think we all know this is pretty much verbatim, had Donald Trump
357. 24:58been in office, the terrorist attacks of October 7th would not have happened.
358. 25:04And I agree.
359. 25:06And so my goodness, you know, we're talking about a lot of things here, folks, and we're
360. 25:14talking about terrorists being emboldened, terrorists feeling like they've got a green
361. 25:20light to further jeopardize not only the safety of Israel, but the West in general.
362. 25:30Look, I realize that it's a very volatile time in which we live, but correct me if I'm wrong,
363. 25:38I really think allowing racism against Jews and allowing, you know, giving terrorists a
364. 25:48to free pass to attack Israel, that really does jeopardize the safety and the stability
365. 25:53of the entire world.
366. 25:57I will agree with that.
367. 25:59The most important thing that we can see a difference in the recent administration, there's
368. 26:05a difference of belief in this was with President Obama and President Biden versus President
369. 26:12Trump and President George W. Bush, that there's a belief that if there is space between the
370. 26:19the US and Israel, that will help Israel make the tough decisions to bring about peace.
371. 26:26There's that theory which I completely disagree with and it leads to their enemies feeling emboldened.
372. 26:33When you saw President Trump and President George W. Bush who maintained no space in that relationship,
373. 26:40Israel was strong, its enemies speared them.
374. 26:44If they did attack, Israel responded harshly and quickly and pushed them back.
375. 26:50And that is the important message that this next administration needs to be hand in hand.
376. 27:00When President Biden said an iron-clad relationship, it needs to actually be iron-clad.
377. 27:06Wow.
378. 27:10And by the way, folks, in March of 26, I'll be helping to lead a tour to Israel.
379. 27:17And I want to encourage people to go to Israel.
380. 27:21You will be safe there.
381. 27:22I was there for 11 days, and I felt absolutely safe.
382. 27:27E.J., one thing that I think is important and not only is it a spiritual experience, but
383. 27:34it will just help you understand just what a beautiful nation it is.
384. 27:40is contrasted with you look across the Kedron Valley and it's pretty bleak. It is important
385. 27:48in talking about our relationship that people go to Israel and people visit and see that
386. 27:54nation and I think their feelings of solidarity will only increase if they do.
387. 28:01A hundred percent correct if you're thinking about visiting Israel, go. There's no better
388. 28:08time to be there than now.
389. 28:12The country needs the visitors.
390. 28:13I mean, the tourism industry is what helps drive that country's economy.
391. 28:18It's very important for people to visit, but also the spiritual basis of being in Israel
392. 28:23and actually seeing these areas.
393. 28:27And bearing witness to the atrocities on October 7th will change you.
394. 28:32Whether you watch the videos or physically go to the Nova Festival site, to the Kibbut
395. 28:37seen in the south, visiting with residents from the north that have been out of their
396. 28:43homes almost this entire war.
397. 28:47Because on October 8, the day after Hezbollah started firing rockets at Israel.
398. 28:52So to be there and to talk to the people there and to understand what they're going through,
399. 28:58the world doesn't care about what's happening in Israel.
400. 29:01But there's 100,000 internally displaced Israelis and not just Jews.
401. 29:09These are Muslims, these are Christians, these are people of all faiths, ethnicities.
402. 29:17Israel is not a white country of Jews.
403. 29:20It is a mixture, primarily Jews, but it is a mixture of all religions that live side by
404. 29:26side in peace.
405. 29:28And that's the message that the world has not been sharing and not recognizing.
406. 29:35And it is vitally important for people to support Israel and to visit.
407. 29:41EJ Kimball, we appreciate you so much and we've got to change gears here.
408. 29:44But before we do, give us your website again, please.
409. 29:47Sure.
410. 29:49It is CombatAntismatism.org.
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412. 29:58appreciate the opportunity.
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414. 30:05we believe in, and I encourage everybody
415. 30:07to do the same, combatantismtism.org.
416. 30:10E.J. Kimball, thank you very much.
417. 30:13Alex McFarland here, folks, we're going to change gears
418. 30:15and bring on another colleague and friend.
419. 30:18By the way, I want to make an announcement
420. 30:20before I really change gears.
421. 30:22On my own website, we have got a page
422. 30:25that we've created of content.
423. 30:27And it's Alex McFarland.com slash vote.
424. 30:30Alex McFarland dot com slash vote.
425. 30:34If you're a first time voter, or maybe you haven't voted,
426. 30:38I talked to a man last night, 24 hours ago,
427. 30:40I was having dinner with an individual.
428. 30:42He said, Alex, I've never voted,
429. 30:45but because you insist on it, I registered, I'm gonna vote.
430. 30:48So there are a lot of things at play
431. 30:51and religious freedom, so many things
432. 30:54that hang in the balance, our nation with relationship
433. 30:57with Israel, by the way.
434. 30:59So check out AlexMcFarlane.com slash vote.
435. 31:03Well, folks, a longtime colleague and friend is Carl Kirby.
436. 31:07He is the leader of Reasons for Hope, a ministry
437. 31:11that I have the privilege of collaborating with
438. 31:14on a lot of levels.
439. 31:15And it's been a great summer because at youth camps,
440. 31:19all summer long, I've seen Carl Kirby.
441. 31:21He's with us now for a few moments.
442. 31:23Carl, welcome. Thanks for holding in. Welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
443. 31:28Alex, thank you for letting me be here. It's a blessing always to get to speak with you.
444. 31:34Well, hey, the 10th Commandment says thou shalt not covet, but every time I see the debunked
445. 31:40videos that you make, I'm jealous because, you know, we make some videos. We put some things
446. 31:46on social media. But you guys, you do stuff that is like world class quality and graphics.
447. 31:55But I'm not too jealous. I'm happy because you make all these debunked videos that address
448. 32:02issues like, you know, moral issues, evolution, the truth of the Bible. We got a break, but
449. 32:09we're going to unpack this and get into this. Carl, what is your website? What is your app?
450. 32:15Where can people find the debunked videos?
451. 32:45it there and when we come back I'll tell people how they can even get the ones
452. 32:48we're getting ready to release early before we release into the general public.
453. 32:52Yay, hold that thought. It's Carl Kirby, Alex McFarland on AFR. A brief break, we'll
454. 32:58be back after this. Don't go away.
455. 33:00The Hamilton Quarter podcast and one-minute commentaries are available at
456. 33:14AFR.net. Back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio.
457. 33:19Welcome back to the program. We're talking with Carl Kirby, a long-time friend in
458. 33:25colleague. And Carl and I, we share a real passion for reaching young people. And we also
459. 33:31share the conviction that one of the most powerful ways to share the gospel in this day and age
460. 33:37is using apologetics. And Carl, I don't know if I've ever asked you this, but how did you
461. 33:43get into apologetics? You know, I had no clue what it was, Alex. I got
462. 33:49saved as a brand new Christian. And I was passionate about my faith. I was sharing it.
463. 33:54but I really didn't have an understanding of the Word of God.
464. 33:58And so the Bible was just to me, the good book,
465. 34:00you know, like I got saved at 26,
466. 34:03and I had grown up in church and I knew ritual.
467. 34:06I knew stand-up, sit down, kneel.
468. 34:08I knew when the offering plate was coming.
469. 34:09So I knew ritual, but I didn't know Jesus.
470. 34:11So I get saved and I'm passionate
471. 34:13and I'm telling people about Jesus,
472. 34:15but I'm in, I was an air traffic controller for a long time.
473. 34:18And so I was riding in the continent of an aircraft
474. 34:20for training.
475. 34:22This is all pre-9-11 when you could do that kind of a thing.
476. 34:24I witnessed the pilot and the co-pilot, they both turned out to be Christians.
477. 34:29They started talking about evolution and I told them what my first Sunday school teacher
478. 34:33taught me, which was you take evolution, you put it in the Bible, God used it, God directed
479. 34:37it.
480. 34:38It's the same sequence.
481. 34:39The co-pilot corrected me.
482. 34:41He lovingly turned around and said, Carl, I'm sorry, but that's incorrect.
483. 34:45He took the Bible out and he went through Genesis 1 and he said, here's a dozen work, doesn't
484. 34:52work, doesn't work.
485. 34:53I was blown out of the water.
486. 34:54I had never seen anybody use the Bible like that.
487. 34:57I grew up with, well, I think I think I think, you know, people always telling you that.
488. 35:00And if you push them, they might show you a Bible verse somewhere, but then you read
489. 35:03that Bible verse and say, well, you can take that a couple of three ways.
490. 35:06This guy used a Bible as an authority.
491. 35:09And he introduced me, I said, where'd you learn to think like that?
492. 35:11And he introduced me to a book that when I got back, I got saved in Salt Lake City,
493. 35:16and I was flying out to Portland, Oregon.
494. 35:18When I got back to Salt Lake City, I ordered that book.
495. 35:20I read it when I got it. I read it one night. I am 80 D to the max if you didn't you couldn't tell and
496. 35:27Amen when you hook me I hyper focus everything disappears. I read it in one night and I was like this is it
497. 35:33This is why I never trusted the Bible
498. 35:36Because it was I look it's a good book, but I've got to ask this
499. 35:40But it doesn't mean that and man after I saw that you could trust the Bible is real my whole faith change
500. 35:46So apologetics was introduced to me by two pilots in a cockpit
501. 35:49Wow. And what book was that that really arrested your attention so strongly? It
502. 35:55was called The Lie Evolution by Ken Ham who I then started working with him and
503. 36:01he was my mentor. I traveled with him and was with him for over 20 years and he's
504. 36:05the reason I'm in ministry today. You know it's interesting because I got saved
505. 36:11when I was 21, I was in college and two books that really got me on the
506. 36:17apologetics track were by Josh McDowell evidence that demands a verdict and more than a carpenter
507. 36:23But you know the funny thing Carl I guess I was a believer
508. 36:27I don't know probably like a few weeks and I was it was a Wednesday night
509. 36:31I was going to church because the church where I became a Christian
510. 36:35Had a Wednesday night service and I was thinking and I'm a college student and I was like I wonder where dinosaurs fit in the Bible
511. 36:44It didn't take me long and I probably couldn't have phrased it, but I realized, wait a minute,
512. 36:54Genesis and what I've been taught in science class, middle school, high school, college,
513. 37:00they can't both be true.
514. 37:04Amen.
515. 37:05That's a fact, isn't it?
516. 37:06Look, it was either Moses or Darwin, but they can't both be right, can they?
517. 37:12Amen.
518. 37:13the youth yesterday or last night and then again this morning
519. 37:16a medicare match at a camp right now
520. 37:18out in the cedar falls iowa
521. 37:20and last night we did the talk
522. 37:23uh... is genesis important
523. 37:25and here's a point that i make come
524. 37:27uh... there's a movie it's a science fiction movie
525. 37:29called uh... the fifth wave and in the fifth way this young lady writes in her
526. 37:33diary
527. 37:35you know you have to read the humans
528. 37:39or how do you read the earth of humans
529. 37:42you rid them of their humanity because everybody's turned against each other
530. 37:46and you know it's just as the horrible battlefield anymore right it's not
531. 37:49fiction
532. 37:50and here's a thing that struck me on that
533. 37:53well if you want to read earth of human to rid them of their humanity how do
534. 37:56you read them of their humanity
535. 37:57it is very simple
536. 37:59rid them of their history
537. 38:00and if you replace their history that in the beginning got created them and you
538. 38:04are created in the image of god you are fearfully wonderfully made
539. 38:07the god loves you so much to see major in his image
540. 38:10that he came and he died on a cross for you and you replaced that history with over the
541. 38:13course of 14 billion years, nothing turned into something to turn into everything that we see.
542. 38:18That's absolutely the way that you rid earth and humans of their humanity.
543. 38:24You replaced their history.
544. 38:25And so I went through that last night and then showed them the consequences of removing God
545. 38:31from your history.
546. 38:32If Genesis isn't true and you weren't created the way that God said that you were created
547. 38:36and this worldview is true, then we see this, this, this, and this and now look at the lives
548. 38:40we see suicide number one killer now they'll see number two no it is number one
549. 38:45because it classified as accidents and accidents is the number one killer of
550. 38:48teenagers in america the most christian nation on the planet
551. 38:51they're like how can that be how can you have such hopelessness
552. 38:56you can have that if you know who you are in christ and so this is why i say
553. 39:00it has been very smart let me change their history
554. 39:03and then you can destroy their future
555. 39:06you know carl i was working on an article for uh... a book
556. 39:10and uh... last week the cdc says that of ninth
557. 39:14through twelfth graders
558. 39:16ten percent
559. 39:17have attempted suicide in the last twelve months
560. 39:20is that so crazy
561. 39:22yet and hard
562. 39:24and and and and and and i think that we talked to these kids and let them know
563. 39:27who they are
564. 39:28you can feel like turn on and so that's what we have to do
565. 39:33Listen to this folks. And by the way, one of the reasons Carl and I were very close. We
566. 39:38collaborate. We work on biblical worldview camps along with our colleagues like Dave Glender and Frank
567. 39:44Figueroa and Massey Compass. And you've got your staff with reasons for hope. And then I've got
568. 39:51my staff with Truth for New Generation. By the way, I want to say a big thank you to Tim
569. 39:55Weilman and the American Family Radio Network, the millions of listeners of AFR. They hear us
570. 40:03promote the camps and aFR gives me the green light to do that to God be the glory
571. 40:09But here's the thing
572. 40:12All right last week I was in South Carolina and it was in a way. It was kind of cool. It rained every day
573. 40:19I don't mean it a shower. I mean it was like downpour of rain
574. 40:22So we had more classes we got to you know
575. 40:25You can only play checkers so much and with all the kids we had more and more times to talk about
576. 40:33God's word and apologetics.
577. 40:36But a young man comes up, great looking,
578. 40:38all American kid, and he said,
579. 40:40Mr. McFarland, do you remember me?
580. 40:42And I said, I don't.
581. 40:44He said, you led me to Christ last year
582. 40:46at Temple, Georgia, and that's one of our camps.
583. 40:50And then I remembered, he was confused about his gender.
584. 40:53He had long hair, lip gloss.
585. 40:57Thought he was a girl.
586. 40:58And very respectfully, and with my post-grad training
587. 41:03developmental psych, I know that mindset.
588. 41:07And we talked, he said 14 months ago, you led me to Christ.
589. 41:12And he said, God's really changed my life.
590. 41:15I said, I see that.
591. 41:16He had a haircut.
592. 41:17He's living as the all-American young man that God made him to be.
593. 41:23But here's my point, folks.
594. 41:26In your Sunday school, in your youth group, in your outreach to people of all ages, but
595. 41:32especially youth, they need the truth of God's Word.
596. 41:36They need Carl's debunked videos because Carl, we're talking about souls and lives and the future of people.
597. 41:45And God does use truth to make a difference, doesn't he?
598. 41:49He absolutely does. As a matter of fact, this can't fit him out right here.
599. 41:53When we started working it four years ago, they might have had 10.
600. 41:57Might have had 10 people in it. Maybe 15 if we're going, you know, big, big number.
601. 42:02members and is totally transformed. I had one of the workers come to me today to say,
602. 42:07you guys have totally transformed this camp. It's not one of our equips, but it's one of
603. 42:10the camps that we work at. Alex, I can tell you that out of the original people that were
604. 42:17there, I think 90% of them are still coming. It is unbelievable to see how much it's grown
605. 42:23and how engaged they are. When adults think, and I hear them tell me this, kids just don't
606. 42:30care anymore so hard to reach them unlike man
607. 42:33i disagree in the wrong stuff
608. 42:35yet you're thinking the wrong stuff
609. 42:37because i find a hungry group
610. 42:39that is looking for people that look at the idea be straight beyond it and deal
611. 42:43with issues that they're being confronted
612. 42:45because they are being challenged
613. 42:48and they want to know how to deal with it and we have answers
614. 42:51amen
615. 42:52uh... let me ask you about your app and the debunk videos because folks are not
616. 42:57No kidding. You have not seen anything like the debunked videos. They're so good. They really are.
617. 43:04That's why I said I'm a little bit envious. I got to make some videos like this. What are some of
618. 43:10the topics you cover in these, Carl? Well, I'll tell you the brand spanking new one that is getting
619. 43:16ready to come out and the folks want to get it. I'll tell you how to do that before we release it
620. 43:20to the general public is biblical faith is blind faith debunked because we hear that all the time.
621. 43:26Although all you Christians all you have is faith.
622. 43:29Oh my, you have no clue.
623. 43:32If you think that's bad, that's really good
624. 43:34because biblical faith is not the way
625. 43:36that the world tries to depict it.
626. 43:38And if people want to get that,
627. 43:39if they've got a smart device,
628. 43:41all they have to do is send a message.
629. 43:43It is so simple.
630. 43:44You send a message to the recipient,
631. 43:47the number 51555.
632. 43:52That's who you're sending the message to, 51555.
633. 43:56And the message is very simple.
634. 43:57It's F, B, B, C.
635. 44:01So in the message you just put F, B, C,
636. 44:04and when you send that, you're gonna get a response back
637. 44:06and it has a link.
638. 44:07If you hit that link and fill that out,
639. 44:09you automatically become a debunk defender
640. 44:11that shows us where to send the debunk to.
641. 44:14All the future ones that get released,
642. 44:16you're gonna get them before they get released
643. 44:18to the general public,
644. 44:19because we don't have any marketing money,
645. 44:21so we've just hired you as our marketing team,
646. 44:23So you can take those things and show them everywhere.
647. 44:26And then you can also get on our app like Alex talks about,
648. 44:30all the 26 current ones are on there.
649. 44:33And the 26 current ones are dealing with topics like,
650. 44:35well, there's no hell, debunked, abortion.
651. 44:38There's nothing wrong with abortion, debunked.
652. 44:41The Bible full of mistakes and errors, and debunked.
653. 44:45You couldn't fit all the animals on a boat.
654. 44:47So we cover a broad gambit of ideas.
655. 44:50Nobody loves you.
656. 44:51That is a big one with this generation.
657. 44:53I mean, they are looking for someone that cares,
658. 44:56and the Satan's big tool is, well, you're nothing special.
659. 44:59Nobody loves you.
660. 45:00Well, I beg to differ.
661. 45:02We debunk that.
662. 45:04And so it's a broad spectrum,
663. 45:06and we're continuing to make them as we can financially.
664. 45:10We keep making them.
665. 45:11Yeah.
666. 45:12And what about your speaking tour?
667. 45:14Where can people find you as you travel around the country?
668. 45:19And the other speakers too.
669. 45:19Oh man, thank you for that.
670. 45:22Yeah, yeah, if they go to our website, R-F-O-R-H.com,
671. 45:27they'll see events, they hit that events tab,
672. 45:30and it has all of our speakers, schedules up there,
673. 45:32and it's on the app as well, under events,
674. 45:34you can hit that and you'll see all the speakers.
675. 45:37And then as well on the app,
676. 45:39if they go down to the very bottom,
677. 45:40there's a word that says speakers, if they hit that,
678. 45:43like I think it's like 17 of my full-length talks
679. 45:46are up under my tab that you can watch,
680. 45:49and it's all free.
681. 45:50I mean, we give away so much on that,
682. 45:51because we want people to have tools
683. 45:54so that you'll get out and talk about Jesus Christ.
684. 45:57In a world gone crazy, that needs to know
685. 45:59there's another way.
686. 46:01You know, the evidence, I believe, is compelling.
687. 46:04But one of the most, for creation, the existence of God,
688. 46:08the trustworthiness of the Bible, Jesus, morals,
689. 46:12it doesn't matter any issue, folks.
690. 46:15There is a biblical position
691. 46:18and compelling evidence to support it.
692. 46:21But Carl, I want you to comment on this
693. 46:24with the time we have left.
694. 46:25I showed this Sunday night as I spoke to youth
695. 46:28in Eastern North Carolina.
696. 46:30On the screen, I had the 60 Minutes interview
697. 46:34with Dr. Mary Schweitzer, the kind of forensic paleontologist,
698. 46:40bottom line fossils that look like rocks
699. 46:43that were said to be 68 million years old
700. 46:47And in 300 different fossil samples,
701. 46:51she found wet tissue, moist tissue, blood vessels,
702. 46:57collagen, I mean that.
703. 47:00And interestingly, they said,
704. 47:02this couldn't last more than six to 10,000 years.
705. 47:06And they said, what about this?
706. 47:09And the narrator says the rules of science
707. 47:13are gonna have to be rewritten.
708. 47:15comment if you would on that or any of the other evidence that shows the cracks in the
709. 47:22foundation of Darwinian evolution are growing.
710. 47:27Oh, absolutely.
711. 47:28I would encourage people to come with us on our dinosaur dig.
712. 47:30I just finished it up two weeks ago.
713. 47:33Next year, second week in June, we'll take you.
714. 47:35Glendive Montana, you'll dig your own dinosaur bone.
715. 47:38First time I went there, I found a bone and two years ago, I took that bone that I found
716. 47:44down to uh... pauluxy river
717. 47:47and lindrose taxes and they have two electron microscopes down there
718. 47:50they cut off a very thin slice of the bone that i found
719. 47:54put it under the electron microscope and they found inside my bone
720. 47:58collagen
721. 47:59blood plots
722. 48:00it's not an abnormal thing now to find
723. 48:04uh... blood cells
724. 48:06uh... to find blood vessels
725. 48:08to find collagen that is very normal in almost every dinosaur bone that is
726. 48:13discovered if they do the testing they will find that there and that truly is a
727. 48:18death male to millions of years. These dinosaurs that have millions of years ago
728. 48:22because those were almost out of trouble.
729. 48:25Forgive me I'm so sorry to buddy and but the earth could not be millions of years
730. 48:30old. Well it's Carl Kirby of reasons for hope. Alex McPherl and here saying thanks
731. 48:35for listening. Tell somebody about Jesus, stand strong, stay bold because God's word
732. 48:41The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
733. 48:50Family Association or American Family Radio.