Patrick Clancy’s three children are dead, yet the jury deciding the case of their murderer is deadlocked.

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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
2. 0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
3. 0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
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5. 0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
6. 0:18And the philosophies of this world.
7. 0:20God has called you and me to be His ambassador.
8. 0:24Even in this dark moment.
9. 0:26Let's not miss our moment.
10. 0:28And now the Hamilton Corner.
11. 0:34Good evening, everybody.
12. 0:36What a day.
13. 0:37What a day.
14. 0:38What a day.
15. 0:39Welcome to the Hamilton Corner here on American Family Radio, where I am your host Abraham Hamilton,
16. 0:44the third joined by the corner contingent right across from me.
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18. 0:52And the screening room produced extraordinary and never often imitated but never duplicated.
19. 0:56It's the real Jay Mac and we are ready to rock and roll with today's edition of the program
20. 1:02at this very moment.
21. 1:03Many of you, if not most of you, are making your transition from your part-time job where
22. 1:08you generate an income, part-time jobs where you generate an income to your full-time jobs
23. 1:13where you cultivate an outcome.
24. 1:15And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so with intentionality, understanding the
25. 1:20the primacy that God places on family and welcoming God's word as he's instructed us to guide,
26. 1:30to govern and to guard your engagement right in your homes. If we would welcome the Lord
27. 1:37to grasp a hold of us in our homes, there's no question as to what can be done in society.
28. 1:42And I say that because we have seen what it looks like, what type of society is constructed
29. 1:50when people have the Lordship of Christ as a primary forming feature, the distinguishing
30. 1:57characteristic of our nation amongst the nations of the world is ours is the first.
31. 2:01Our nation is the first nation in the history of the world where its founding ethos is that
32. 2:07we have been endowed by our Creator with certain unalienable rights.
33. 2:13That is the founding ethos of our nation.
34. 2:17As I've said on the show routinely, have we embraced, understood, and applied that ethos
35. 2:24properly?
36. 2:25Absolutely not.
37. 2:26We have never done so perfectly.
38. 2:27But one thing that our founders understood is that they anticipated each successive generation
39. 2:32of Americans to strive in order to form a more perfect union as our preamble to our constitution
40. 2:39states.
41. 2:40the expectation was that the founding ethos to serve as a foundation to continue to grow
42. 2:45and to build this thing called these United States of America.
43. 2:51But when we reject that, when we reject the reality of the Amago dei, when we reject the
44. 2:58truth that is anchored in scripture, the founded founding truths in scripture that we set ourselves
45. 3:05on the course for our own destruction.
46. 3:08And in many ways, that is what we're witnessing.
47. 3:10And I know I don't want to ever oversimplify the reality that we're facing.
48. 3:16But the truth is that we are facing a challenge, a contention between God's word, God's word
49. 3:24being prevalent or man's word.
50. 3:26That is what this all boils down to.
51. 3:31So as you are making your transition to your full-time jobs, I want to encourage you to do
52. 3:35do so with laser guided focus and understand that you've been ordained for this moment.
53. 3:43This is something that I revisit often because it's simply true.
54. 3:47The scripture bears us out that we, but that God has determined before time the boundaries
55. 3:54of our habitation and the times in which we would live so that men should seek God to say
56. 4:00it simply you and I are ordained for this moment guys.
57. 4:04with all of the craziness, with all of the swirling epithets that go forward.
58. 4:09And I was reading something the other day and said, it's, it's, uh, it's easy for a black
59. 4:13man to come out and say he's a woman, then to say he's conservative.
60. 4:16Is that, is that true or is that a lie?
61. 4:23You know, somebody claimed to be, you know, trans whatever, they're lauded as heroes in
62. 4:32our society currently.
63. 4:33It's utter madness guys.
64. 4:39But regardless of the madness that is percolating around us, this is the time that God has ordained
65. 4:43for you and I to be alive.
66. 4:45This is the moment for us that God has ordained.
67. 4:47Let's not miss our moment.
68. 4:50To the word of God we go Isaiah chapter 59 is what we're going to go.
69. 4:53I'm going to focus on verses 14 and 15, but I want to begin by alluding to the beginning
70. 4:58of the chapter where the Lord reveals himself in a manner that we described just yesterday
71. 5:05in saying that it's not that as if the Lord's arms are too short to save.
72. 5:09It's not as if that the craziness of the moment have all of a sudden rendered the omnipotent
73. 5:16one impotent, not at all.
74. 5:18The issue, the issue in this portion of scripture, the issue that was hindering Judah was their
75. 5:25sinfulness, their rebellion.
76. 5:29And I know for some that makes them uncomfortable to consider, but sin is real and sin has consequences.
77. 5:35And so there were things out, the first eight verses of this chapter kind of describes the cause for what transpires.
78. 5:46And then when you get to, right about verse nine through the rest of the chapter, they describe the effects of the cause.
79. 5:53The sinfulness is what has caused a separation between God and His creation.
80. 6:00Some of the effect, the results of that are described here.
81. 6:06And this is what Isaiah chapter 59 verse 14 says,
82. 6:10justice, justice is turned back.
83. 6:15Or some translations there say,
84. 6:16justice is turned away backward.
85. 6:19And righteousness stands far away for truth
86. 6:27has stumbled in the public squares
87. 6:29and uprightness cannot enter.
88. 6:33of the translations render that for truth has been hurled to the ground, has been cast to
89. 6:40the ground and trampled and justice is trampled underfoot.
90. 6:46What the scripture is pointing to here is that the places where the expectation is for
91. 6:54justice to be appropriately meted out and make no mistake about it, this is justice employed
92. 7:00in a temporal context. This is not talking about cosmic justice. This is not talking about eternal
93. 7:06justice. This is talking about the application of justice, justice within a temporal context.
94. 7:13The scripture says that justice is trampling under foot and being turned backward is the byproduct
95. 7:24or the results of truth being cast to the ground.
96. 7:29Truth being rejected.
97. 7:31Truth being hurled down.
98. 7:37It's because truth has been hurled down,
99. 7:40that righteousness stands afar off.
100. 7:43Justice is turned back.
101. 7:45And then look at verse 15, it says,
102. 7:48truth is lacking and he who departs from evil
103. 7:51makes himself a prey.
104. 7:54Think about that.
105. 7:56And in an environment where sin is so prevalent, truth is hurled to the ground, cast to the ground,
106. 8:04and justice is trampled underfoot. Right to sustain is far off from the places where you would expect
107. 8:11to have the application of justice in the temporal context. And then what happens is the ones who
108. 8:19depart from evil make themselves a prey. How dare you say it's wrong to slaughter an unborn child?
109. 8:26How dare you say that children shouldn't be confronted with teacher sexuality?
110. 8:33How dare you say a man can't be a woman or a woman can't be a man?
111. 8:36How dare you become a prey if you say those things?
112. 8:41To the point I said a few minutes ago, is it truly easier in our society for a more
113. 8:45melanated man to come out and say they're transgender than for them to actually say they're conservative?
114. 8:51What kind of push back do you think society will offer?
115. 8:58Guys, I'm sharing this because of what's happening here.
116. 9:04It's only in an environment where truth has been hurled
117. 9:08to the ground that you'll have women dressed up
118. 9:10and picking show up to support a woman
119. 9:12who strangled three of her children to death.
120. 9:17And oh, don't stop now, but I braced myself
121. 9:21for this potentially happening,
122. 9:24but I'm a share store with you later on just yesterday
123. 9:27in Frankfurt, Illinois.
124. 9:30A mom, I want to explain it, just the news reports
125. 9:34and the information that we have currently.
126. 9:36A two year old child is found dead in the suburban
127. 9:40residential neighborhood in Frankfurt, Illinois.
128. 9:43A two year old child.
129. 9:45Police find the child, get access to the house,
130. 9:50search the home, find the child's mother attempting
131. 9:54to harm herself.
132. 9:57The child is transported to the hospital,
133. 10:00the child is determined to be dead.
134. 10:01Mom transported to the hospital with life threatening injuries.
135. 10:05The people in the community are saying,
136. 10:07this is how just like the Clancy case out of Massachusetts,
137. 10:15I brace myself for copycats.
138. 10:20Now, what we have the information that's happened just yesterday,
139. 10:23so investigation is still underway.
140. 10:29But this is grievous, man.
141. 10:31This is grievous.
142. 10:33We have a society that is already declared
143. 10:36that we shall allow.
144. 10:38When I say we, I'm using that as a universal,
145. 10:41I know I don't agree with it at all.
146. 10:43And I don't support it at all.
147. 10:44I fight it with every fiber of my being.
148. 10:47But when I say we, there are members of our society
149. 10:49in entire states by virtue of their representative governments
150. 10:54that have declared that we believe the ability
151. 10:57for a mom to murder her child
152. 10:59is a constitutionally protected right.
153. 11:03I keep referring to this because this is a recent phenomenon
154. 11:05Massachusetts just changed its law to allow for an unborn child to be slaughtered through
155. 11:10the entire gestational period. The state of New York has radical laws on the books concerning
156. 11:22abortion. Several states all around the country following Roe vs. Wade being overturned and planned
157. 11:28and had versus Casey the number of children murdered before they were born has increased.
158. 11:36increased. Remember the scripture says that men invent ways to do evil, that we have people
159. 11:47who have used technological innovation to create new ways to murder children before they are
160. 11:56born. Because truth has been cast to the ground. Guys, truth has been held down. Justice has
161. 12:02been trampled under foot. By pointing illustrating all of this or describing all of this is to show
162. 12:09you the scripture told us what would happen. Some of us didn't anticipate exactly what it
163. 12:15would look like, including myself.
164. 12:17I've told you many times, I remember thinking as a young man
165. 12:20studying the scriptures, when the Bible says,
166. 12:22as it was in the days of Noah, I would often envision,
167. 12:26well, what would that look like?
168. 12:30Where men, their thoughts and the intentions of their hearts
169. 12:35were continuously evil all the time.
170. 12:39What did that look like?
171. 12:40What could that look like?
172. 12:41Guys, I think we're here.
173. 12:44We're here.
174. 12:46We're here.
175. 12:49I've commiserated publicly with the percentage of pastors,
176. 12:53According to recent data from the Barnard group, that engage in the consumption of pornography
177. 13:00at some level.
178. 13:02The data shows about 20% of pastors, and that's those who responded to the survey in an honest
179. 13:11fashion.
180. 13:17Guys, we're at the place to where the major problem is that truth has been cast to the ground.
181. 13:24And what has to happen, and I've said this, I'm going to continue to say it, that we have
182. 13:27to disciple our way out of it.
183. 13:29Now we can walk and chew gum at the same time.
184. 13:31Yes, we have to pass wise policy.
185. 13:34Yes, we have to identify the immediate threats,
186. 13:38physical temporal threats.
187. 13:39Yes, we have to do so.
188. 13:40But we have to get to the place
189. 13:42where we will bang our Kings Commission
190. 13:44to make disciples.
191. 13:46The cultivation of the mind is central
192. 13:49to the disciple making process.
193. 13:50And when I say cultivation of the mind,
194. 13:52I'm not talking about to have a bunch
195. 13:54of brainiacs running around.
196. 13:55I'm talking about people who have been invited
197. 13:59to submit the reality of their entire capacity
198. 14:03to the Lordship of Christ.
199. 14:05But we don't just seek to understand finances,
200. 14:07we understand finances in light of the truth of God's Word.
201. 14:09We understand relationships in light of the truth
202. 14:11of God's Word that we apply ourselves to knowledge,
203. 14:17not merely to have information rolling around our minds,
204. 14:19but so that we would be wise,
205. 14:21that we would know how to apply this wisdom.
206. 14:25Because as I've stated, darkness is not an affirmative force,
207. 14:29but it does reoccupy the space that is vacated by the light for far too long.
208. 14:35There has been an absence of the light in the various areas that are desperately necessary.
209. 14:41And what's happened is darkness has filled that castle.
210. 14:45But by the grace of God, man, as Isaiah 59 and 1 says that the Lord is his arms are not
211. 14:50short to save, that the Lord's arms are just as potent today as they have always been.
212. 14:56A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
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214. 15:10A Kingdom warrior is a disciple of Christ who skillfully puts the Word of God,
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216. 15:18People everywhere are facing intense spiritual warfare.
217. 15:22We face it at home, at school, at work, everywhere.
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235. 17:00Shining, light into the darkness.
236. 17:07This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
237. 17:12Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here.
238. 17:17This is truly astonishing to me.
239. 17:22That's why you have socialism.
240. 17:24Yeah.
241. 17:25You know how I knew that right?
242. 17:27Yeah.
243. 17:30Patrick Clancy's three children.
244. 17:31Cora was five years old, Dawson was three,
245. 17:33Callan was eight months old.
246. 17:37They're dead.
247. 17:39Still, did his day to have a scene,
248. 17:40any protest in support of or any public anything
249. 17:46concerning these children.
250. 17:48Yet the jury that is deliberating concerning
251. 17:51whether or not their murderer,
252. 17:55which also happens to be their mother, is dead locked.
253. 18:01Earlier today, as I mentioned yesterday,
254. 18:03that deliberations resumed in this trial
255. 18:07Massachusetts to wear this woman admitted.
256. 18:12She murdered her three children.
257. 18:13That's not even a debated fact, which is still mind-boggling to me that there are others that
258. 18:20are saying that, well, the husband, Patrick Clancy, is the one who should be held responsible.
259. 18:25Like, what are you?
260. 18:28Yet, the defense attorneys in the case have not even made such a ridiculous assertion.
261. 18:35At about 2.15 p.m. today, the jurors sent a note for the second time to the presiding judge
262. 18:46in Massachusetts stating that they are unable to arrive at a unanimous verdict.
263. 18:53They're unable to arrive at an unanimous verdict.
264. 18:55This is after five days of deliberation following a, there's been one day of deliberation now
265. 19:00for every week of the trial, basically.
266. 19:07It's utterly remarkable to me that we're at this case, but it's also greatly concerning
267. 19:13to me that we're at this case.
268. 19:15Yesterday I told you that long deliberations don't usually favor prosecutorial perspective
269. 19:24of the case.
270. 19:27I mentioned yesterday that we do not know the makeup of the deadlock, whether it's 1 versus
271. 19:3311, 9 to 3, 10 to 2, etc.
272. 19:36We don't know what the numerical arrangement is.
273. 19:40We know that there are nine women on the jury and three men on the jury.
274. 19:46And the expression from the jurors that they are unable to come to unanimous decision now
275. 19:52for the second time presents the reality in a more acute fashion that a mistrial may be
276. 20:00declared.
277. 20:01A mistrial would be declared as a result of a hung jury.
278. 20:03So I want to explain what a mistrial is.
279. 20:06But before I get to that, I want to mention that after receiving the note for the second
280. 20:11time that the jurors weren't unable to come to a unanimous decision, the judge offered
281. 20:19what is commonly understood in amongst trial lawyers as a dynamite charge.
282. 20:24It's a charge that's meant to let the jurors know like, listen, you sat through the whole
283. 20:30trial, you're here.
284. 20:32The likelihood of somebody else being able to assess the evidence any better than you
285. 20:35is not necessarily reality and some of that dynamite charge and it has some variations
286. 20:42as the way it's applied in different states around the country, but the way that the judges
287. 20:46usually render it, and this is how the judge in this case renders some of the things he
288. 20:51stated to the jury was this quote, the verdict to which each juror agrees must of course be
289. 20:56his or her own verdict, the result of his or her own convictions and not merely in acquiescence
290. 21:02in the conclusion of the other jurors
291. 21:05still in order to bring twelve minds
292. 21:08to a unanimous
293. 21:10result you must examine the questions submitted to you
294. 21:14with candor and with a proper regard and respect
295. 21:18for each other's opinions the charge goes on and on and on depending on your
296. 21:22art beef
297. 21:23three pages four pages however
298. 21:25uh... then the judge in this case concluded
299. 21:28quote with that i would ask you now to return to your delivery deliberations
300. 21:32with these thoughts in mind. So the jury then returned to the jury room, continued their
301. 21:40deliberations for a little bit longer, and then they ultimately were dismissed for the
302. 21:48day. And deliberations are expected to continue tomorrow. Now, when I say deliberations are
303. 21:57expected to continue, the jurors have five options available to them. Okay? You have
304. 22:04the original charge of first degree murder, that's before the jury with which
305. 22:09carries with it a sentence of lifetime imprisonment with no parole without parole.
306. 22:16Next, the next option is second degree murder in the state of Massachusetts.
307. 22:25Second degree murder carries with it a sentence if if a conviction is rendered
308. 22:30for second degree murder. Second degree murder carries with it a sentence of life
309. 22:36and prism and with the possibility of parole. But that's not all the options.
310. 22:40Another option that is available to the jury is manslaughter. Man's slaughter is
311. 22:47a sentence that is a charge that cares with it, a sentence up to 20 years in
312. 22:53prison. Then you have the options of not guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity.
313. 23:02So these are the five options, whichever the jury chooses they would have to choose
314. 23:06them unanimously. But I wanted you to know that because I've been saying on this program
315. 23:14that any assessment as to whether she was sick or whatever, the postpartum concerns,
316. 23:27those are concerns that a minimum that should be taken, not at a minimum, that should be
317. 23:30applied to a sentencing consideration. These are not the things that should absolve one
318. 23:36of criminal responsibility because I've told you in my own experience in trying cases, would
319. 23:44you ever say someone who takes the life of another human being is mentally well? Is it
320. 23:52not evidence that something is a little off? If you got somebody killing somebody else?
321. 24:02And it's like, wow, this is where we are as a society. Like, there were people saying,
322. 24:10Or Abraham, you're not, you don't know what you're talking about because they want to put that woman
323. 24:13to give her the death penalty for what happened. I'm like, well, that's not even on the table in
324. 24:18Massachusetts, my man. That's not even, that's not even a part of the considerations. What are you
325. 24:23talking about? There's a full scope of options available that include everything from, you know,
326. 24:36mental institutions and a term of years with mental health and all this other kind of stuff.
327. 24:42stuff, but are we the type of society that we're going to say, oh, okay.
328. 24:50We already say moms should be able to kill their children inside of them.
329. 24:56But now, now, now we're going to say, yes, moms, you have so much agency that if, if,
330. 25:03if and when parenting is difficult and I don't want anybody to, to miss, because you understand
331. 25:07as if I'm insensitive to the realities of postpartum, depression and postpartum, psychosis, which
332. 25:12are not the same things. But as I said to you before, I've experienced the reality people
333. 25:19who've had psychotic breaks. But usually when people have psychotic breaks, they don't wait
334. 25:25to the husband and running errands with a particularly platted out time period where you map the distance
335. 25:31from where your husband is to your home, then you realize you need a little bit more time and
336. 25:35send him on another errand to give you enough time to kill your own children. That's not usually
337. 25:39evidence of a psychotic break. That's not usually the evidence of someone who is incapable in that
338. 25:48moment of ascertaining that what they are doing is wrong. That's not what that usually looks like.
339. 25:59I'm not a psychiatrist or a psychologist, but I've been around people that have had breaks with reality.
340. 26:07I've seen people speed walking up and down the street at a certain time of day and having a
341. 26:13conversation with no one. They're not waiting to see if anybody else will see them. It's just
342. 26:20man, it's quite galling to me that we can't walk and you come at the same time that we don't
343. 26:26understand the realities of compassion, not requiring us to check our ability to assess
344. 26:36right versus wrong at the door. This is crazy guys. And I don't think many people who are
345. 26:44supporters of this mom, this murdering mom, understand.
346. 26:51So you're saying that there's a particularity
347. 26:58concerning moms, especially concerning women,
348. 27:02especially after they've had children that will prohibit
349. 27:05them from being able to properly ascertain right versus wrong.
350. 27:10I don't really think y'all have thought that through.
351. 27:12The implications of that.
352. 27:16And this is just, this is mind boggling to me,
353. 27:19but it's not surprising to me in that these are the types of things that happen.
354. 27:26When truth has been, been, been cast down.
355. 27:36And then you have, and I've already alluded to it, I'll just get to it now.
356. 27:42You have this case that happened just yesterday in Frankfurt, Illinois.
357. 27:46We have a two year old who is now dead and a mom who's in the hospital.
358. 27:56It seems in the homicide investigation is going to bring it out, but it seems that the two
359. 28:01year old was murdered by the mother.
360. 28:05Listen to and watch clip number four, clip four, go.
361. 28:09Marie, this is a community that is in shock tonight.
362. 28:12If you take a look behind us, the crime scene tape is finally down 24 hours after this incident
363. 28:16happened and just a small,
364. 28:18memorial outside of this home
365. 28:20here where a two year old boy
366. 28:22died. His mother hospitalized
367. 28:24after police say she herself
368. 28:26attempted to self-harm.
369. 28:29A quiet cul-de-sac covered
370. 28:32in crime scene tape.
371. 28:34It's very quiet in Frankfurt.
372. 28:36I mean, you rarely ever hear
373. 28:38about anything of the sort.
374. 28:40So it's a bit much.
375. 28:42Melvin Woods Jr. has lived in the
376. 28:44area for five years.
377. 28:46I live around the block.
378. 28:47Carolyn Pappas has a two year old herself.
379. 28:50This is just absolutely heartbreaking to understand what happened a couple blocks away
380. 28:54and that it's impacting our community.
381. 28:56A 17 year old teen was the one to call for help.
382. 29:00You know 17 is still attempting CPR, patient's not being responsible at all.
383. 29:04Two year old child.
384. 29:05Her relationship to the family is not clear, though neighbors tell us four young children
385. 29:10lived in the home.
386. 29:11Okay, we're currently searching this house.
387. 29:13When first responders got there, they say they brought the two-year-old child to a local
388. 29:17hospital.
389. 29:18The child later died.
390. 29:20Then they say they called another ambulance for that child's mother, who they found attempting
391. 29:25self-harm while they searched the home.
392. 29:27Guys, this is wild.
393. 29:31I saw reports of another one.
394. 29:33I haven't been able to dig into the details of it yet, which is why I haven't brought this
395. 29:36to the Hamilton Corner yet, but up north and northeast.
396. 29:40Another case, very similar.
397. 29:45I share with you was it this week or last week that the new reports indicating that young
398. 29:52men, you know, under 35 years old, are not not getting married and people are trying to
399. 29:58say they had a young men are struggling.
400. 30:00Man, the young women are struggling too guys in our country.
401. 30:03You know, Isaiah wrote the whole head is sick.
402. 30:05You know, I've explained before, people said, as a war masculinity, I'm saying it's not merely
403. 30:10a warm masculinity.
404. 30:11a war on the Amago Day as reflected in authentic maleness and femaleness. It's attempting as
405. 30:17an attempt to degrade and to mangle the Amago Day. So much so, because what is happening,
406. 30:29man, the divergence between young men and young women, there was a young man, he was engaged
407. 30:37to be married two weeks away from his wedding. Then he found out that his fiance was supporting
408. 30:43Lindsey Clancy, he called off the wedding, called it off, called it off completely.
409. 30:50I honestly, I don't blame him.
410. 30:52He said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, your support for this woman in the sense that you're saying
411. 30:58that she should be absolved of criminal responsibility gives me great concern for your judgment.
412. 31:04Because the woman I hope to marry, I hope to one day be the mother of my children.
413. 31:09I would not want to take a risk at the mother of my children.
414. 31:12What, what see herself in this Clancy woman.
415. 31:22What are you, what do you tell him?
416. 31:24Is he wrong for that?
417. 31:27No, he's not wrong for that.
418. 31:30But guys, we, we, we cannot force feed generations of our countrymen.
419. 31:40This, you know, this Imago dog as Dr. Everett Piper describes it, that there's, there is
420. 31:45nothing sacred.
421. 31:46There's no sanctity to human life, that there's not a grace in an anointing that God gives
422. 31:52to parents concerning their children.
423. 31:53It doesn't matter.
424. 31:55You just rule out parent one, dads and moms, a parent one parent to it.
425. 31:59It doesn't matter.
426. 32:00You just do anything you want.
427. 32:01And these are the consequences.
428. 32:02But here's the thing that we cannot merely rail at the insanity that is happening, that
429. 32:08we need to cast an affirmative vision for what is available, frankly in Christ, that our
430. 32:15society has been force fed a denigration of God's Imago day. That is not properly discerned. Really,
431. 32:27it's a demonic attack on the Imago day in authentic maleness and an authentic female.
432. 32:32That we have to feminize the men and we have to masculineize the women to break the Imago day
433. 32:38down into an amalgamation of indecipherable human goo and masculine features and men are toxic,
434. 32:48but masculine features and women are liberating. We have to understand that there's a demonic
435. 33:00root to all of this man in casting affirmative vision for what's available to us, the complimentary
436. 33:07distinctiveness between men and women, how the family with marriage at the center is the
437. 33:16first of God's institutions to establish human flourishing for men to be men and older men
438. 33:26to help to pour into younger men and older women to pour into younger women.
439. 33:31This is God's way, man.
440. 33:33God's a formula that's available to us.
441. 33:34It might even be like a formula, but it's the product of a living thriving ecclesia.
442. 33:43Because these kinds of things, what's happening in Massachusetts and now we're starting to
443. 33:50see what seems to be some copycat types of phenomenon that may be in the works.
444. 34:00The feature-linked documentary Culture Warrior, Don Wildman, in the Battle for Decency chronicles
445. 34:06the life and ministry of Don Wildman.
446. 34:08It takes you through the founding of the National Federation for Decency.
447. 34:12What has become AFA?
448. 34:14It's a call to stand firm for righteousness and shows how that resolve can make a huge
449. 34:19difference in our world.
450. 34:21If we lose this cultural war, we're going to have a hedonistic humanistic society.
451. 34:26Find out more and watch at CultureWarrior.movie.
452. 34:31It's been suggested that what God desires is not our happiness but our holiness.
453. 34:37But what if by making us holy God is also changing what makes us happy?
454. 34:43I'm David Wolin inviting you to join me along with special guest Andrew Wilson on a
455. 34:47new Haven Today series called Made for Happiness.
456. 34:51Haven Today, weekday mornings at 430 Central on American Family Radio.
457. 34:56Listen online at AFR.net.
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459. 35:11Back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio.
460. 35:15Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner.
461. 35:17I don't know if you know there was a 56 year old woman named Don Leite who was a retired nurse
462. 35:23who was arrested in
463. 35:26Massachusetts because she was photographing and videoing video
464. 35:29Recording the jurors in the case. So she's now been arrested for intimidating jurors in the Massachusetts
465. 35:38case
466. 35:4056 years old man
467. 35:42You know that the whole thing I was saying about older women helping younger women
468. 35:46Now, I'm not saying she is old, but 56 is older than someone who's not 56, all right?
469. 35:53But yeah, yeah, arrested outside of the courthouse for filming and recording the jurors.
470. 36:05Another news story, and I want to bring this to your attention because this is a case that
471. 36:09I'm monitoring that it's at the early stages locally in Nebraska, but it brings some issues
472. 36:16to the four that very well could become national issues.
473. 36:22And I would argue that it should become a national issue because it is raising arguments that
474. 36:29many have made, one man in particular, a Columbia Law School professor named Philip
475. 36:33Hanberger has been making this argument for years.
476. 36:37And it has to do with the combination of the compulsory attendance laws concerning government
477. 36:43schooling as well as the monopolistic funding that goes to government schooling and what
478. 36:53Philip Hamburger has argued is that the lion's share of education really boils down to speech.
479. 37:01And lawsuit has now been filed in Lancaster County, Nebraska and it's led by the new Civil
480. 37:09Liberty's Alliance, that's the organization that the attorneys are representing the plaintiffs
481. 37:14in this case, the case is styled Jacobson versus Spellberger.
482. 37:20And what the plaintiffs are arguing is it's two families, the mentor family and the Jacobson
483. 37:27family, both of these families are making the argument that education largely consists
484. 37:35of speech and that our current system to where government education is funded with taxpayer
485. 37:44dollars is unconstitutional because it quote unduly precious parents into submitting their
486. 37:49own speech.
487. 37:51I'm sorry, into substituting and unduly precious parents into substituting their own speech
488. 37:56when it comes to their children for government speech they disagree with in terms of the funding
489. 38:01mechanism.
490. 38:04The argument goes on further to say, quote, because education consists mostly in speech
491. 38:10and parents, not bureaucrats, possess the liberty to decide what their children hear.
492. 38:15The government education system by design pressures parents to substitute government
493. 38:20educational speech for their own.
494. 38:24Government education is a benefit tied to an unconstitutional condition.
495. 38:31State law requires parents in Nebraska to enroll children in either public, private, denominational,
496. 38:38or parochial schooling or to homeschool them.
497. 38:41Fail to obey that law.
498. 38:42You face a class 3 misdemeanor up to 3 months in jail and a $500 fine.
499. 38:47Yet, the only education the state of Nebraska actually funds to the tune of over about $19,000
500. 38:55more per pupil statewide and about $17,400 or $17,400 in Lincoln, Nebraska, that funding
501. 39:03is available to families who surrender their children to government classrooms and government
502. 39:08viewpoints.
503. 39:09All right?
504. 39:10That money is not available to parents who decide not to submit to subject to children to
505. 39:18those viewpoints.
506. 39:19Additionally, if you leave, that's that system because you do not want to subjugate your children
507. 39:25to that viewpoint, then the government still requires you to pay for the system that you
508. 39:36fled.
509. 39:37See, that's the part of the argument.
510. 39:39This is not an argument that is saying, let's get some form of a voucher since this money
511. 39:44goes to public education.
512. 39:46Why can't we use that money to go to this?
513. 39:49No, no, this, the argument is adding the additional nuance, which I think has to be challenged.
514. 39:57It adds the addition to new wants to say that you are compelling families who have removed
515. 40:03their children from this system.
516. 40:05You still compel them to pay for the system that they're leaving.
517. 40:11Because education consists of largely of speech, which is protected under the First Amendment,
518. 40:16then families and citizens should not be compelled to fund speech that they disagree with.
519. 40:22This is the argument that's being made and it's being applied to the education context.
520. 40:28to this brief explainer from the new Civil Liberties Alliance is General Council Ms.
521. 40:35Zannette Brown. It's clip number three, clip three, go.
522. 40:39Nebraska gives parents an unconstitutional choice, except the government's educational
523. 40:44viewpoints or pay thousands of dollars to escape them. Education happens through speech.
524. 40:51Every lesson taught, book selected, idea discussed, and value emphasized communicates a message
525. 40:57to the child, and parents, not the government, have the legal duty and the primary right
526. 41:04to provide or select the educational speech their children receive. Nebraska requires
527. 41:10parents to educate their children under threat of criminal punishment, while providing education
528. 41:15benefits only through government schools. On average, the state spends more than $19,000
529. 41:22per government-run school student per year. Parents who choose private school or homes
530. 41:27school because they want a different educational viewpoint must bear that entire cost themselves
531. 41:33on top of the taxes they already pay.
532. 41:36That puts families in an extremely difficult position, except the government's preferred
533. 41:41educational viewpoints or pay handsomely to exercise their own free speech rights.
534. 41:47This case matters because the government cannot condition a valuable public benefit on families
535. 41:53surrendering a constitutional right. Nebraska may require children to receive an education,
536. 41:59but it cannot use that requirement and the enormous financial pressure attached to it
537. 42:05to steer parents toward governments preferred speakers and viewpoints. That's why NCLA
538. 42:11is filing a lawsuit on behalf of these Nebraska parents.
539. 42:14Now, this is why this lawsuit has some teeth. What is the most common reason that you hear
540. 42:20and you're every day lives as to why people decide either decide not to homeschool their children
541. 42:25uh... ordered a private school anything was that was the most commonly referred to reason usually
542. 42:29it's got the money so what the mentor and jacobson families are arguing in this case is that they're
543. 42:36saying that the government is making a legal requirement but they're incentivizing only one
544. 42:44option the uh... the option that they're incentivizing is the one where the government's preferred speech
545. 42:50viewpoint is what's being communicated. So what what what their argument is argument is that yes,
546. 42:55the government can compel children to be educated, but the government cannot say, hey, we want children
547. 43:02to be educated. Oh, and by the way, we are going to educate them. And we'll also provide
548. 43:07the monetary capacity for that to occur. Guys, that is huge. That is huge. Because
549. 43:15in your own experiences, I hear it all the time, Abe, I would do it. But man, it costs so much.
550. 43:20I'm already paying taxes on top of taxes on top of taxes,
551. 43:23and then I'm gonna show them the responsibility
552. 43:25financially for my family as well.
553. 43:28You guys know, this is what we are doing.
554. 43:29My wife and I, we are homeschooling our children.
555. 43:33And we're also our tax for this government speech
556. 43:37that we disagree with.
557. 43:41This lawsuit, and it's at this early stages,
558. 43:44filed in Lancaster County, Nebraska,
559. 43:46this is one that I'm going to monitor.
560. 43:50because this has the potential to break the government monopoly over the hearts and minds
561. 44:01of our children in our country.
562. 44:06Yes, you can require education, but you can't require education.
563. 44:11And they say, hey, and by the way, we'll do some education and we have this government
564. 44:14benefit over here to aid what we're doing.
565. 44:17Guys, this is a big one.
566. 44:19This is a big one.
567. 44:20I hope it's not lost in in legal ease because I know it's a lawsuit, but the bottom line,
568. 44:25want you to consider is it's not the conventional voucher argument to say hey why don't we just use
569. 44:30the funds that normally would go to and it's not even all the funds let's use some of the funds that
570. 44:35normally would go to public education and as you heard in Nebraska it's over 19,000 per pupil
571. 44:42per year in the government school well why can't we use that for homeschooling or some other alternative
572. 44:49no they're making the additional argument why should we be compelled to continually subsidize
573. 44:54speech, making that argument that education consists largely of speech. So
574. 44:59when you have the government serving as a market participant in education, you have
575. 45:03government speech. Well, why can the government compel me to educate my children,
576. 45:12which was there's no argument against that. But at the exact same time, incentivize
577. 45:16exclusively incentivize the pedagogical offerings that consists of government
578. 45:23speech. That is a big one. That is a big one. That is a big one. So you can think about it
579. 45:32in this way. The conventional voucher argument with the additional component and oh, by the
580. 45:38way, why should I be compelled to support speech I disagree with? With my money? Not just support.
581. 45:45Why should I be compelled to finance? Why should I be compelled to materially support
582. 45:49with my doc with my dollars, government speech I disagree with. That is a violation of my first
583. 45:57amendment rights. Oh, that's a good one. That is a good one. And so we're going to monitor
584. 46:03that case. I suspect that this case is going to make its way. It's going to make its way.
585. 46:11And if it's if it's ruled, particularly why you look, why you look confused. Are you confused?
586. 46:17It's my skeptical, yeah.
587. 46:20You skeptical.
588. 46:21Well, there's some reasons why I'm saying it can make its way.
589. 46:25Notice I said it's filed in Lancaster County, Nebraska.
590. 46:29I have more to say on that in the future,
591. 46:32but this is a worthwhile argument.
592. 46:34This is a worthwhile argument,
593. 46:37because one is built on the premise that speech
594. 46:39is largely involved in what we describe as education.
595. 46:43What I expect to be a lot of pushback on that
596. 46:46as a premise for the lawsuit is,
597. 46:47Hey, who says this is speech?
598. 46:49Who says this is speech?
599. 46:54And in the lawsuit you read the complaint,
600. 46:56it says that in what is conveyed in the classroom
601. 46:59and the texts that are determined, that are selected,
602. 47:03I mean who is making that decision?
603. 47:04Are the parents making those decisions?
604. 47:05No, the government is making those decisions.
605. 47:07Through its administrators and its hired personnel,
606. 47:09but it's ultimately the government making those decisions.
607. 47:13I think that's where this case is going to find the tension.
608. 47:17to speak or not to speak, that is the question.
609. 47:22And then this is kind of silly.
610. 47:25It's embarrassing to me that this had to make it all
611. 47:29the way to the US Supreme Court.
612. 47:31But in a lawsuit filed by the National Trust
613. 47:36for Historic Preservation in the United States,
614. 47:38they sued to stop President Trump
615. 47:42from building his ballroom innovation
616. 47:45and the east wing east wing of the white house and the thing that's interesting
617. 47:48is that they didn't file a lawsuit
618. 47:50until after the east wing had already been
619. 47:53demolished
620. 47:55so so so they they literally
621. 47:58didn't father suit until after
622. 48:01the the former east wing was demolished in the president of was about to start
623. 48:05building
624. 48:05so they literally was like well no we want you to build anything we want to just
625. 48:08stop you from being able to build
626. 48:10why did they follow lawsuit when he announces plans and is going to do all
627. 48:13these kind of things
628. 48:15well the supreme court
629. 48:17ruled
630. 48:19that this trust the national trust for a store preservation in the united states
631. 48:23cannot stop the east wing construction
632. 48:25in uh... president ron's ballroom project
633. 48:28and in the next plane
634. 48:29first and foremost
635. 48:31that this is always been described as a national security issue from everybody
636. 48:34i mean do we need to talk about the old crazy dude who attempted to run up in
637. 48:37the the the white house corresponders dinner to once again try to kill the
638. 48:41president i mean how many how many assassination attempt you got to serve
639. 48:44survive before people realize, A.O. American presidents, especially named Trump, face threats.
640. 48:54And this will be a ballroom that not only benefits the current president, but it's going to benefit
641. 48:58additional presidents after him.
642. 49:00Does anybody fail to realize that President Trump's armor is almost halfway over?
643. 49:05You realize that?
644. 49:07Well, this whole case came down to you and the Supreme Court pointed us out that this
645. 49:11trust launched its objection to the president's construction of the ballroom because of one woman.
646. 49:21And she said that she found the design of the proposed ballroom to be distasteful.
647. 49:28I kid you not. This is from the Supreme Court opinion. Quote, to establish standing and to bring
648. 49:32this case, the trust relies on a declaration from a single of its members, Alison K. Hoegland.
649. 49:39Hoaglin says that she lives in Washington DC and expects to visit the neighborhood around
650. 49:43the White House once a month.
651. 49:45She asserts that having to view the finished ballroom the government is constructing would
652. 49:48cause her to suffer injuries to her aesthetic, cultural, and historical interests because
653. 49:54she finds the scale, height, and massing of the government's design distasteful.
654. 50:01On the strength of that declaration, the trust contends it has Article 3 standing to challenge
655. 50:05the East Wind Project.
656. 50:06The court has not found standing in circumstances like these before."
657. 50:12Simply put, woman, nobody's paying attention, you can't say, I'm gonna like the way it looks.
658. 50:19And that's the reason why you're suing to stop it.
659. 50:22You don't have standing to challenge the construction of the ballroom.
660. 50:25Simply put, the ballroom with the bunker down below is being built a nut in this.
661. 50:30This woman can do to stop it.
662. 50:33And it's insane that this had to go all the way to our Supreme Court for them to realize
663. 50:37which should have been ruled on a long time ago.
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