Dr. Nurse Mama Jessica Peck steps into “The Corner.”

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11. 0:31Good evening, everyone.
12. 0:34Welcome to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton,
13. 0:37the third here joined by a produced extraordinaire,
14. 0:41often imitated, never duplicated the real J. Mac,
15. 0:43and we're delighted that you have tuned into the program.
16. 0:48At this very moment, many of you, if not most of you,
17. 0:50are making your transition from your part-time jobs
18. 0:53where you generate an income to your full-time jobs
19. 0:56where you cultivate an outcome.
20. 0:57And yes, you heard me right, that was not a verbal fumble.
21. 1:02I did describe our income generating capacity
22. 1:05as our part-time jobs while it is exceedingly important.
23. 1:08We all have responsibilities, we have bills we have to pay.
24. 1:12As you know, you've been following my show.
25. 1:14I have six children.
26. 1:15My wife and I, we have six children
27. 1:16and they eat every day they ends and why.
28. 1:19You know, I'm trying to encourage them
29. 1:20concerning the virtues of fasting.
30. 1:22You know, some of them are quite tuned in.
31. 1:24They'll say, daddy fasting shouldn't be
32. 1:27diet plan, nor is it a budgetary maintenance tool.
33. 1:34As it you got me.
34. 1:36I was just kidding.
35. 1:37I don't ask my children to fast so we can save money.
36. 1:43I do not.
37. 1:45But it's not something we all have to do, but our culture works over time
38. 1:50to get us to conflate our identities with income generating.
39. 1:55You know, if you think about it, when you interact with people, one of the first
40. 1:58questions that is asked is, so what do you do? You know, when that question is asked, they're
41. 2:04not asking you what's your favorite hobbies, they're not asking you what's your dinner plans
42. 2:10or what do you have scheduled? They're asking you, what do you do occupationally? What do
43. 2:15you do to generate revenue? That's what they're asking because in our society, often identity
44. 2:21is conflated with revenue generation, capacities. What is that? What it should be biblically?
45. 2:29I would simply say no.
46. 2:31So income generating is a part of what we do,
47. 2:34but that's not synonymous with the totality of who we are.
48. 2:38And our full-time engagement,
49. 2:40if you are a member of God's eternal family,
50. 2:43is outcome cultivation.
51. 2:45I use outcome cultivation as a synonym
52. 2:48for great commission execution.
53. 2:52And the most, I should say,
54. 2:55the most immediate outpost for great commission execution
55. 2:59starts writing our own homes.
56. 3:02If you are in the life stage and phase where you are married, as I am, my primary responsibility,
57. 3:10my foremost and most immediate outpost for ministerial engagement is with my wife.
58. 3:18If you are a wife, you're most immediate outposts with your husband.
59. 3:21My wife and I talk about this.
60. 3:23I have a responsibility to minister to her before I get to my children.
61. 3:28Obviously, I don't want to neglect and ignore my children, but I certainly don't want to sacrifice
62. 3:32my wife in an effort to serve my children.
63. 3:34And one of the most important things I can do for my children is to love and serve their
64. 3:39mother well, to model for my sons what a godly husband is, to model for my daughters what
65. 3:45a godly husband is, and to demonstrate to them the priority that my wife has in my life.
66. 3:52The same is true for wives.
67. 3:53One of the foremost opportunities for ministerial impact is how you interact with your husband.
68. 4:01Then it's to the children.
69. 4:05Some of you are listening to me, you're in a different light stage.
70. 4:08Some have spouses who have passed away.
71. 4:13But the same is true.
72. 4:14The home is a fulcrum for ministry.
73. 4:17I reflect often on our sister Rosaria Butterfield and how she's explained that when she was the
74. 4:25poster child for LGBT Q I A P plus
75. 4:32L M N O P. Crickleta Crickleta I Crickleta Crickleta
76. 4:38The Lord broke through in her heart with the gospel through hospitality.
77. 4:44She had a neighbor who was a pastor and a pastor and his wife invited her over for dinner hundreds
78. 4:49of times, hundreds of meals they shared together.
79. 4:53And in the course of enjoying those meals together, God opens her heart for the gospel.
80. 5:00And it began with her regeneration being born again.
81. 5:04And now she is a powerful voice for the kingdom of God to explain the truth of God's word.
82. 5:10And being able to do so from a been there, done that disposition.
83. 5:13You can't tell me nothing.
84. 5:14This was Rosario Butterfield says, but I'm translating to the eighth standard version.
85. 5:18You can't tell me nothing about being a lesbian.
86. 5:20Because I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
87. 5:25picture wrote a song about it like here you go. You know? She's the S.A.I.I. was living a lie.
88. 5:30And God opened my eyes to the lie. That breakthrough happened through hospitality.
89. 5:35And frankly that is a grace and a ministerial outlet that we need to rediscover within the family
90. 5:43of God once again. The ministry of hospitality, ministries through hospitality. To the word of God
91. 5:52we go. Proverbs 8 is where we're going to begin the program today. Proverbs 8 versus
92. 5:571 through 7, it's one of the sources of Scripture that I rely upon consistently to affirm the fact
93. 6:06that if we lack wisdom, it doesn't have to stay that way. It doesn't have to stay that way. Proverbs 8,
94. 6:12verses 1 through 7, verse 1, does not wisdom call, does not understanding raise her voice
95. 6:20on the heights beside the way. At the crossroads, she takes her stand,
96. 6:25Beside the gates in front of the town, at the entrance of the portal she cries aloud.
97. 6:31To you, O men, I call. My cry is to the children of man. O simple ones, learn prudence.
98. 6:40Learn prudence. O fools, learn sense. Here, for I will speak noble things, from my lips will come.
99. 6:52What is right?
100. 6:54For my mouth will utter truth.
101. 6:57For my mouth will utter truth.
102. 7:02Wickedness is an abomination to my lips.
103. 7:06The Lord reminds us over and over and over again in His word
104. 7:12that lacking wisdom does not have to be a perpetual condition.
105. 7:21Does not have to be a perpetual deficiency.
106. 7:25Here in Proverbs 8, Wisdom is personified.
107. 7:29In that personification, the initial,
108. 7:32probative, rhetorical question is presented.
109. 7:36Does not wisdom call?
110. 7:39Does not understanding raise her voice?
111. 7:42In other words, that wisdom and understanding
112. 7:45are available and accessible to those of us
113. 7:49who will hear, heed and respond.
114. 7:53I often talk about the biblical description of the fool,
115. 7:58that is not merely a pejorative,
116. 8:00but it's the fool who says in his heart
117. 8:01there is no God.
118. 8:03Well, the scripture tells us that being a fool
119. 8:07is not a perpetual condition.
120. 8:12Old simple ones learn prudence in verse five, it says.
121. 8:15Old fools learn sense, learn sense.
122. 8:24The more I learn of the Lord, the more I follow the Lord,
123. 8:28the more I realize I have so much to learn.
124. 8:32And that recognition creates an appetite
125. 8:36and the learning is not really for mere intellectual stimulus,
126. 8:44it's being captured by a person,
127. 8:48the King of Kings and the Lord of Lords.
128. 8:53Wisdom, verse seven, communicates utter truth.
129. 8:58Wickedness is an abomination to wisdom.
130. 9:01As we grow in wisdom, wickedness becomes an abomination to us.
131. 9:10We never wanna get in this place, man,
132. 9:12where we're just socio-political pugilists.
133. 9:17We're just jousting and fighting and rumbling and tumbling because of this and all like this
134. 9:24and we lose sight of what it means to be the Lord's servant.
135. 9:34I explained my process before.
136. 9:36I didn't know anything about political conservatism.
137. 9:38All I knew was that God had saved me.
138. 9:40The public positions I've taken have flowed downstream from the revelation of the Lord,
139. 9:49first in saving faith, then in in sanctification.
140. 9:53And if we ever get to the place to where our commitment is to socio-political outcomes,
141. 9:59and we are estranged from the power and presence of our Lord anchored by His holy word, illuminated
142. 10:05to us by His Spirit, man, we are much to be pity.
143. 10:10When the scripture says, does wisdom call, does not understanding raise her voice?
144. 10:14The resounding answer is, yes, they do.
145. 10:19Wisdom calls, understanding raises her voice.
146. 10:24primary vehicle for enjoying the wisdom of God and embracing understanding.
147. 10:30He's by having a constant habit of consuming his word that it is our daily
148. 10:37engagement. It is our daily engagement. When the scripture says,
149. 10:43those simple ones learn prudence. Oh, fools learn sense.
150. 10:49What's being communicated is that being simple, being a fool is not,
151. 10:58doesn't have to be in enduring condition.
152. 10:59Because that's the text says, on the heights beside the way at the crossroads, wisdom takes
153. 11:05her stand beside the gates in front of the town at the entrance of the portals, wisdom
154. 11:09cries.
155. 11:10The Lord is saying that wisdom is available.
156. 11:15Its wisdom is on accessible purchase, invisible locations readily available to us who will avail
157. 11:24ourselves of wisdom.
158. 11:27But what's often the case is that many have become comfortable with humanistic quote unquote
159. 11:41wisdom, which the apostle James says, man, that's devilish, worldly wisdom, devilish, humanistic
160. 11:49wisdom, devilish.
161. 11:52The wrath of man does not work the righteousness of God.
162. 11:56This is why I've been warning quite consistently against godlessness amongst regressives and
163. 12:02and godlessness amongst people who described themselves as conservative.
164. 12:07Because godlessness, regardless of political orientation at the genesis of it, it leads
165. 12:12in the same direction, in the same direction.
166. 12:20But wisdom is available to us.
167. 12:26And I know I point this, and I want to point this out, because here's a portion of the process
168. 12:31that is often neglected.
169. 12:34Verse 5 says, those simple ones learn prudence, o'fools learn sense.
170. 12:38Verse 6 begins with saying, here, for I will speak noble things.
171. 12:45In order for wisdom to be accessed, we have to hear. We have to take heed.
172. 12:55We have to put into practice what it is that we're being confronted with. What it is that we're learning.
173. 13:01We don't want to be the people who are ever learning and never coming to the knowledge of truth.
174. 13:06We don't want to be like the Stoic and Epicurean philosophers in Acts 17,
175. 13:10who they had no interest in putting anything to practice.
176. 13:15They had made sport, if you will, of intellectual stimulation.
177. 13:19You know?
178. 13:21Oh, Paul, come join us at the areaopagus.
179. 13:25You're presenting some new teaching that we hadn't heard before.
180. 13:28Come, we want to gain an audience with you.
181. 13:31Oh, we're not planning to do anything with what you're presenting.
182. 13:35We just want to hear some new idea.
183. 13:38We just want to have a new post.
184. 13:42and if you will, but wisdom is ultimately actionable.
185. 13:52You can put feet to wisdom.
186. 13:55You can implement what wisdom requires.
187. 13:59And that's available to each and every one of us.
188. 14:02So regardless of your background, wherever,
189. 14:05whatever experiences that you've had to date,
190. 14:08and man God knows better than I can, then I know.
191. 14:11But as a human being, I know man,
192. 14:13we've all experienced and gone through all kinds
193. 14:14of crazy stuff, but none of the stuff
194. 14:17we've gone through, none of it is sufficiently potent to keep you and me from receiving what
195. 14:24God has for us right now.
196. 14:29It's not, but we have to access it.
197. 14:34One of the most immediate and readily available means of doing so is by making it your daily
198. 14:42routine to consume God's Word.
199. 14:48And as you can see, we don't merely want to read God's Word, but we want to welcome
200. 14:53God to read us by His Spirit through His Word.
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211. 15:56Shining lightning to the darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner on American
212. 16:09Family Radio. Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner Abraham Hamilton the third here
213. 16:14and I'm delighted to have on the program Dr. Jessica Peck host of the Dr. Nurse
214. 16:19Mama's Show right here on American Family Radio that you can hear every single day.
215. 16:25Dr. Peck is a pediatric nurse practitioner as well as a professor, author and mother of four.
216. 16:32Her program deals with all things concerning the family and she provides a biblical and holistic
217. 16:38health perspective with the aim of bringing hope and healing to families in America and around the
218. 16:42world. Dr. Peck, thank you for joining me here on the Hamilton Corner. Abe, so good to be with you.
219. 16:47you. Thanks for having me. Oh, it is truly my pleasure to have you on. I just love your presentation,
220. 16:52your demeanor, the council that you're able to offer for families. It really, really, really
221. 16:57minuses so powerfully and poignantly in this hour where families have been really borodged on
222. 17:03all fronts. And so I'm so grateful to you and the work that you do on a daily basis. It is truly an
223. 17:10honor to be in the radio lineup. And every afternoon at 2 p.m. Central time, I love being able to spend
224. 17:16time with my listeners prescribing hope for healthy families because in this world of doom
225. 17:21scrolling and bad news we need good news and I'm really just honored to be in the line of
226. 17:26providing that to AFR listeners.
227. 17:28Praise God for that.
228. 17:30Well, I want to jump right in because when people hear your show name, Dr. Nurse Mama,
229. 17:37what should they understand from your show's name and what they're positioning themselves
230. 17:43to learn and to hear when they tune in?
231. 17:46First of all, that I'm a little bit southern.
232. 17:48I'm a Texan born and raised.
233. 17:50And hence the mama bit doctor, nurse mama,
234. 17:52is my professor brain, my hands on nursing experience,
235. 17:56and my heart is a mom to prescribe hope for healthy families.
236. 18:00I do live in Texas and am blessed to be married
237. 18:03to a rocket scientist, a real life rocket scientist
238. 18:05who thinks it's really funny that people think
239. 18:08I'm the smart one in the relationship,
240. 18:09but we have four kids of our own.
241. 18:12They are young adult down to a teenage age.
242. 18:15I have been through 14ators at one time and loved it.
243. 18:19Want to share that with everyone else.
244. 18:20And honestly, my personal story is that I came from a family
245. 18:24that was a Christian family.
246. 18:26And I was raised in church and introduced to the Lord
247. 18:28at an early age, but a lot of generational trauma,
248. 18:32dysfunction, brokenness, a lot of pain in relationships.
249. 18:37And I really feel like the Lord just called me
250. 18:40to be a chain breaker, to be a cycle breaker.
251. 18:43and that is really what I've been doing and working on,
252. 18:46and I wanna share that hope with other people.
253. 18:49That's so important, because you know,
254. 18:51better than I can get articulated,
255. 18:53that a lot of those cycles and chains
256. 18:57that we either endure or experience often repeat,
257. 19:03you know, hence the expression cycles,
258. 19:07so that there is an enduring imprint that's made upon us
259. 19:11in our familial formation,
260. 19:13But the beauty of being in Christ is that He is the game changer,
261. 19:16you know, no matter what those imprints might have been in the form
262. 19:20of times that in Christ all things become new and new landscape can be forged.
263. 19:26You know what's amazing is actually I learned in nurse practitioner school that trauma imprints
264. 19:32itself down to the level of our DNA. It impacts the way that our DNA is read and transcribed
265. 19:37through something called epigenetic changes. But the grace of God is that healing is
266. 19:42passed on as well. And there is, you know, the Lord's mercies are new every single morning.
267. 19:48And that's how often we need them. And sometimes I have morning a lot of times during the day,
268. 19:53but God's mercies are new every morning. And God is a God of redemption, restore, restoring,
269. 19:59renewing. There is beauty from ashes. And I'm convinced that no family is beyond hope.
270. 20:05Amen. Amen. Amen. To that point, lots of families. I was just at a conference just last week speaking.
271. 20:12A lot of families express challenges of many different sorts with the advent of social media,
272. 20:1924 hour news cycles, busy schedules, having this gotta go, gotta go, gotta go, gotta go,
273. 20:24gotta go, kinda lifestyle.
274. 20:26There are often challenges in parents actually being able to access the hearts of their children.
275. 20:32I just wanted to ask you if you would just weigh in a bit on what we as parents can do
276. 20:37to try to nullify the kind of striation that happens in our family's lives, that prohibit
277. 20:43or impede our capacity to access our children at a heart level.
278. 20:46You're so right, Abe.
279. 20:48We are living at the speed of a smartphone.
280. 20:50We are living in a world that is constantly on 24-7 access to information, access to more
281. 20:56information that we've ever had in any generation in the history of time, and we're just running
282. 21:02on overload.
283. 21:03And I think Christian families would say,
284. 21:05if they were asked, of course, our priority
285. 21:07is character formation, is spiritual formation,
286. 21:10is relationship connection.
287. 21:13But if you look at your credit card statement,
288. 21:16if you look at your calendar, if you look at your screen time,
289. 21:19you'll see a pretty tough reality check
290. 21:21on where your priorities really are
291. 21:23and where we're investing in our time.
292. 21:25And here, especially in America,
293. 21:27we're really, we're coached to pursue the American dream.
294. 21:30So our kids need to get into the right school.
295. 21:33So they get into the right college.
296. 21:34So they get the right jobs.
297. 21:36They can get the right family, live in the right neighborhood.
298. 21:38So they can have 2.4 kids and then send those kids
299. 21:42to the right school so they can go to the right college.
300. 21:44And parents are spending a lot of money on sports
301. 21:48and things that are inherently not wrong and enough themselves.
302. 21:51But we are missing the relationship piece.
303. 21:54And we see, especially in the aftermath of COVID,
304. 21:58We see a generation that is more digitally connected than ever,
305. 22:01but more relationally disconnected than ever.
306. 22:04And what people aren't talking about is the rise of loneliness.
307. 22:08And we see that in digital silos and families.
308. 22:11Everybody's streaming their own program.
309. 22:13Everybody's texting each other from a different room.
310. 22:16We're fubbing our children,
311. 22:17which is actually a scientific term,
312. 22:19PHU, BB, ING that we're using in research.
313. 22:22It's a combination of the words phone and snubbing.
314. 22:25We're phone snubbing our children.
315. 22:27And it is impacting and disconnecting,
316. 22:29accelerating that disconnected relationship.
317. 22:32And so we have great opportunity though,
318. 22:35Abe, because our kids, despite what you might think,
319. 22:38that you can't get their face out of their phone,
320. 22:40that one thing that they really long for,
321. 22:42is authentic connection and belonging in their families.
322. 22:45Mm.
323. 22:46So what are some things that we should,
324. 22:48as parents look to,
325. 22:50to not be convicted rightly of being febbers?
326. 22:54Yes.
327. 22:55And because I don't believe any parent intentionally
328. 23:00conducts himself in a manner to where
329. 23:01they'll be disconnected from their children.
330. 23:03But they're, and I think a part of it
331. 23:05is why the Lord tells us in Romans 12, for example,
332. 23:07not to be conformed to this world,
333. 23:08but be transformed by the renewal of our minds.
334. 23:11Because we so easily fall into the patterns
335. 23:13of things that are happening around us.
336. 23:15And so I think many parents are doing that very thing,
337. 23:18not recognizing that I may be conducting myself
338. 23:21in a manner that's contributing to the disconnect
339. 23:24that I'm experiencing and I don't want that but I don't know how to get out of it.
340. 23:28What would you say to parents who would say that?
341. 23:30Well, what I would say is tune into my show on Fridays.
342. 23:33Every Friday we do a series called 52 Habits for Healthy Families and we walk through ways
343. 23:38to connect with your family to strengthen your relationship.
344. 23:41We started in January, we do this every year, but we started in January with Core 4 spiritual
345. 23:45disciplines, praying, reading your Bible, going to church and using Christian music as
346. 23:51a discipleship tool and a thermostat for your home.
347. 23:54Then we walked into some rhythms for your family, like having check-in connection points, bedtime,
348. 24:00morning routine, doing daily devotionals together, reading God's Word together.
349. 24:06And then we've moved into communication.
350. 24:08So we're talking about learning how to say, I'm sorry, and learning how to listen with your
351. 24:13face and really prioritize your family time.
352. 24:16You know, Abe, I'm convinced that this is a great piece of news because I think parents
353. 24:22are overwhelmed today by just the constant new threats.
354. 24:25And we live in this constant state of anxiety and fear.
355. 24:28Like, oh, there's fentanyl and Halloween candy,
356. 24:30and oh, our kids are going to be trafficked.
357. 24:32And now there's this new threat.
358. 24:33And now we're afraid of the smartphone.
359. 24:35And I think that we cannot be faith.
360. 24:38We cannot be fear-based.
361. 24:39God did not give us a spirit of fear,
362. 24:41but a power and love and a sound mind.
363. 24:43And we can be faith informed.
364. 24:45And God has given us all the tools
365. 24:47that we need for such a time as this.
366. 24:49and it goes back to those basic things,
367. 24:53those basic spiritual disciplines, basic spiritual formations.
368. 24:56So I would say, join us on that journey.
369. 24:58We'd be glad to talk to you about it.
370. 25:00And if you are just thinking, what can I do today?
371. 25:04I would encourage people to think about the presence
372. 25:07in their home, their physical presence,
373. 25:09their emotional presence, their mental presence,
374. 25:12and their spiritual presence.
375. 25:14Kids need us in all of those four planes.
376. 25:16They need us to be physically present in their lives,
377. 25:19Sitting at the dinner table, sitting at the soccer field,
378. 25:21sitting at the end of their bed,
379. 25:23looking at them, engaging them.
380. 25:24They need us to be emotionally present,
381. 25:26in tune with their emotions.
382. 25:28See that little look of worry across their face
383. 25:31and follow up on it and ask on it.
384. 25:33They need our mental presence.
385. 25:35They need us to be engaged, not distracted, not mom, mom.
386. 25:37You're not listening.
387. 25:38Did you hear what I just said?
388. 25:40And they need us to be spiritually present as well,
389. 25:42modeling our faith and having them walk alongside people
390. 25:45who are going to emphasize a biblical worldview.
391. 25:48That's a great place to start.
392. 25:49That is so good.
393. 25:50And you refer to a concept that some may say,
394. 25:54wait, wait, would you run that back a little bit?
395. 25:55Would she say, listening with your face?
396. 25:58What does it mean to listen with your face?
397. 26:02Oh, we spent a whole week on this habit.
398. 26:04It is one of the most powerful things
399. 26:06that you could do today.
400. 26:08So it goes back to phubbing, what we're studying.
401. 26:11And when you look at the scientific research on this,
402. 26:13when you see a phone, whether it's between a parent
403. 26:16child in a marriage relationship, a dating relationship, a grandparent, grandchild, any
404. 26:23relational dynamic. When you bring in a phone to that conversation to that dynamic, it automatically
405. 26:31spikes anxiety, it causes indigestion. And one of the interesting things Abe that research shows is
406. 26:37that when parents have a phone, when they're talking with their kids, the number one emotion that kids
407. 26:42feel is disrespect because they feel like you're not in this conversation.
408. 26:47And so often we listen with our faces and our phones and we tell them, yeah, I heard what
409. 26:51you said and we repeat back to them.
410. 26:53You go to any school event, any sporting event, any community event, somebody waiting to get
411. 26:58their oil changed.
412. 27:00Everybody has texting neck, their faces are down in their phone.
413. 27:03So what you need to do with the listen with your face is give your children the gift of
414. 27:08your face.
415. 27:09Now I started doing this like if I'm driving down the road and my kids are trying to tell
416. 27:12me something that's important, if it's in a safe place and feasible, I'll say, hang on
417. 27:16just a second.
418. 27:17I need to pull over.
419. 27:18I need to give you my face.
420. 27:20This sounds important.
421. 27:21Let me make sure I'm looking at you making eye contact because one of the beautiful ways
422. 27:25that God designed our bodies is that when we make eye contact with someone for at least
423. 27:3020 seconds, our brain starts to release hormones and chemicals that bond us to that person.
424. 27:36a God given advantage that we have that lowers our kids' defenses and makes them
425. 27:41know I'm safe, I'm here, I care about you. So I really encourage families whatever
426. 27:46that means. I actually talked to Wesley Wildman about this when he co-hosts with
427. 27:50me for Sherathon and he's really trying to put his phone down for at least one
428. 27:54hour when he walks in the door and he invites his kids to hold him accountable
429. 27:58and believe me Abe, I know you know this as well as I do because you're a dad.
430. 28:02But if you invite your kids to hold you accountable, oh boy, will they?
431. 28:06I mean, with gusto.
432. 28:08Yes, absolutely right.
433. 28:10Absolutely right.
434. 28:12Wow.
435. 28:13Thank you so much for sharing that.
436. 28:16I wanted to other things that you and I were talking about this a bit before we came on that
437. 28:21we're recognizing in our culture as our young people are matriculating toward adulthood that
438. 28:27there's kind of been a recent divergence, a recent trend of divergence, I would say, to
439. 28:31where younger men are skewing more toward conservative political ideals, whereas younger
440. 28:37women are not doing that so much.
441. 28:40As I see that happening, and my oldest son is 15, and my oldest child is 15, is my son.
442. 28:48In the not too distant future, we're working with him to be worthy of being a husband.
443. 28:55But I do think about that in terms of marriageable spouses.
444. 28:59who we trust the Lord.
445. 29:01But when you see that divergence that's occurring,
446. 29:03what are some of the things that you've observed
447. 29:05as you've recognized this kind of divergence
448. 29:08among younger adults?
449. 29:10Well, generational science is super fascinating.
450. 29:13So as far as this specifically, let's go to millennials.
451. 29:16And there was a stereotype about the millennial man
452. 29:19with the man bun and the merc, the man purse.
453. 29:22And we see this alongside you laughing
454. 29:25because you know it's true.
455. 29:26That there was that stereotype,
456. 29:28that's kind of characterized caricature that's there.
457. 29:32And we saw this along with what many ascribe
458. 29:36to be feminization of the church.
459. 29:38There are a lot of women Bible studies.
460. 29:41We sang a lot of touchy-feely worship songs
461. 29:44and there was just really kind of an exclusion
462. 29:47of masculinity from that.
463. 29:49Now, Intergen Z, and we see this really interesting trend
464. 29:53where we see hyper-masculine culture
465. 29:55really coming onto the forefront.
466. 29:57you see this through fashion, through hairstyles,
467. 30:01through what is sold, through podcast platforms
468. 30:05that are becoming really popular,
469. 30:06that feature, that hyper masculine persona.
470. 30:09At the same time, you see the emergence of trad wives,
471. 30:12which is traditional wives, and this aspiration.
472. 30:15It's cool again to want to be a wife and a mother.
473. 30:18And then there's a lot of public debate that goes along that.
474. 30:21Some people mock that and say that's a cult
475. 30:24or that kind of thing.
476. 30:25But I think that when we see what you talked about,
477. 30:27your question was about political affiliation,
478. 30:30and we do see Gen Z really swinging back
479. 30:33towards a conservative movement,
480. 30:35much like Gen X did during the Reagan years.
481. 30:38But I think when you don't see women doing that,
482. 30:41I think that there is a coarseness today
483. 30:44to public discourse, to policy.
484. 30:46There is language that is coarse,
485. 30:48there's a demeanor this course,
486. 30:50and to be really simplistic about it,
487. 30:52I think there's a lot of women who perceive
488. 30:54some conservative policies as mean or the way that they're presented, like it's unkind,
489. 30:59it's unfeeling. Now, some of this is just political discourse, you know, and kind of
490. 31:04the branding of political parties to try to attract people there. But I think that's what
491. 31:09you're seeing. They're trying to reconcile like this, okay, I want to be this trad wife,
492. 31:13this traditional femininity. I want to embrace that. And yet that doesn't seem like that's
493. 31:19congruent with that. And I think they're sitting with that kind of, that discongruence there.
494. 31:23And I presented it in terms of conservatism, but I don't mean to limit it to kind of a political
495. 31:31orientation.
496. 31:32I'm thinking in terms of the social implications as well because with the heated discourse that
497. 31:40often revolves around politics, it's the kind of thing, like you had families who've disintegrated,
498. 31:47you know, because of your political positions.
499. 31:49I won't come over for dinner."
500. 31:50I'm like, what?
501. 31:51That's one of the most absurd things.
502. 31:54But the divergence is actually, and what I'm thinking about is young men finding suitable
503. 31:59spouses, young women finding godly husbands, and the impact of that, how that, I should
504. 32:06say better, how that will be impacted as a result of having kind of this divergence,
505. 32:10sociopolitically.
506. 32:11But the disrespect for music is started.
507. 32:14So I'd like to pick this up when we come up on the other side of the break, and then it
508. 32:18I'd also like to talk about the upcoming AFA activate
509. 32:21summit because you will be one of the keynote speakers there.
510. 32:24And I'd like to give the audience a snapshot or glimpse
511. 32:28of what they all get to experience when they come to hear you
512. 32:31July 16th through the 18th.
513. 32:33You're listening to and or watching the Hamilton Corner
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515. 32:38My guest is Dr. Jessica Peck, the host of the Dr. Nurse
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517. 32:43When we come back, we'll continue our conversation.
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520. 33:09I was just wondering what I could do with that money, invest it or whatever.
521. 33:14I knew that I would like to help the Lord somehow in his work, and then I kept hearing
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523. 33:25And I knew that AFR would just be the best, because they're in my home all day, all day
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530. 34:11Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
531. 34:15Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton III here.
532. 34:18My guest is Dr. Jessica Peck, host of the Dr. Nurse Mama Show Heard every day here at 2
533. 34:23PM Central on American Family Radio.
534. 34:26Before we went to the break, I presented a question in light of the current divergence between
535. 34:33younger men and younger women in terms of social political orientation.
536. 34:37My question primarily was presented in light of my concern about young men finding suitable
537. 34:44wives, young women finding a marriageable godly husbands and how that possibility is impacted
538. 34:52by this divergence.
539. 34:54Dr. Peck, I opened the question,
540. 34:57if you need me to expound even further, I can,
541. 34:58but you also mentioned when we went to the break
542. 35:01that you wanted to talk about.
543. 35:04Banana bread baddies.
544. 35:07Yes, I did, yes I did.
545. 35:09I am all ears for this.
546. 35:12So I'll toss it to you wherever you wanna start,
547. 35:14if you go right ahead.
548. 35:15Well, this is so interesting because most honestly,
549. 35:19most of what you see on social media
550. 35:21is really not worth repeating,
551. 35:22but this is a trend that actually made me smile.
552. 35:25So we see in Gen Z, we're starting to see increased interest
553. 35:29in marriage after a decline for the last generation.
554. 35:34You know, we saw less affinity toward that.
555. 35:36Now, people want to get married.
556. 35:37They want to have families.
557. 35:39They want to have a home.
558. 35:40They want to have more traditional lives.
559. 35:42And so I saw this social media trend where these men are saying,
560. 35:45okay, where are all the women we're looking for?
561. 35:48And they're saying, look, they're not in the bars.
562. 35:50They're not in the clubs.
563. 35:51like you're going to the wrong places, you need to go.
564. 35:54And they started calling these girls, banana bread baddies.
565. 35:58Like who is making good banana bread?
566. 36:01Like, okay, you know where they are?
567. 36:02They're in Bible study classes.
568. 36:04They're at Whole Foods.
569. 36:06They're at other places.
570. 36:08And so this kind of this been the social media takeover
571. 36:12of a girl who is domestic, who likes to take care
572. 36:15of her family, who wants to have kids,
573. 36:17who wants to get married, who has a traditional mindset.
574. 36:20And so when guys will spot to a sighting of,
575. 36:24hey, this is where you can go find banana breadbatties,
576. 36:26they will get on and say like this church,
577. 36:28this Bible study, you know, this online group.
578. 36:32And I think it's really wholesome and I'm here for it.
579. 36:34Oh, that is hilarious.
580. 36:36A banana breadbaddy alert, you know?
581. 36:38Yeah, that's exactly right.
582. 36:39That's right.
583. 36:40It's a girl worth pursuing.
584. 36:41Yes, yes.
585. 36:42And so there's gonna be a new alert on the apps.
586. 36:45That's gonna pop up, you know, like you have waves
587. 36:47and is there a gas station nearby?
588. 36:49Here's an interview, you press your button here
589. 36:51and you can pop up the triple B.
590. 36:53She's single.
591. 36:54The triple B.
592. 36:55Go!
593. 36:56Triple B.
594. 36:57If you know, you know.
595. 36:59That's right.
596. 37:00See, I can get on board with that, Abe.
597. 37:02I'm like, I'm all for that.
598. 37:03Go for the girl.
599. 37:05Go pursue her.
600. 37:06And then they talk about, it's interesting,
601. 37:08because then they say, yeah, and you better ask her out
602. 37:10and you better pay and you better open the door for her
603. 37:13and you better talk to her parents.
604. 37:14So I am all on board as having children of marriageable age
605. 37:19I five stars. I recommend that is that is funny. Alright, so let's talk about the
606. 37:26activate summit for a little bit. The activate summit is July 16th to the 18th
607. 37:30at the now Huntington Huntington Bank arena in Tupelo, Mississippi. For
608. 37:37information you go to activate.afa.net it's going to be a powerful powerful time.
609. 37:44Dr. Peck, you are one of the keynote speakers at the conference.
610. 37:49If you don't mind, and I don't want to give everything away, but would you just give the
611. 37:54audience here a snapshot as to what they can expect to hear from you during the conference
612. 38:01July 16th to the 18th?
613. 38:03Yeah, Abe, I'd be glad to do that.
614. 38:05I'm so honored to be in an incredible lineup of speakers.
615. 38:08It is set to be a very dynamic, engaging, empowering event.
616. 38:12I'm really looking forward to it.
617. 38:14I am going to talk specifically about AI.
618. 38:17Now I have to tell you a little funny story, Abe.
619. 38:18So my mother-in-law, she reads the paper
620. 38:20and I'm talking about the paper.
621. 38:22And AI is written.
622. 38:25What's the paper?
623. 38:26Yeah, like this, you know?
624. 38:28Like that little paper.
625. 38:29Yeah, you gotta have that feeling in your hand.
626. 38:31That makes a lot of noise, like a chocolate.
627. 38:33Exactly.
628. 38:35Well she reads it as capital A, little L.
629. 38:38And so she started asking me,
630. 38:39she's like, who's this guy, ow?
631. 38:41Like I keep reading about Al and he's just like,
632. 38:44it's messing everything up.
633. 38:45It's AI, artificial intelligence.
634. 38:47And it is not coming, Abe, it is here.
635. 38:51It is absolutely here and everyone's home
636. 38:54in the palm of their hand and their smartphone.
637. 38:56It's in your car, it's in the schools.
638. 38:58It is everywhere, it is already here.
639. 39:01And Abe, you and I were talking before the show
640. 39:03that for generations now we've been told,
641. 39:06technology is neutral, smartphone is neutral.
642. 39:08It's not good or bad.
643. 39:10And that's just not the case anymore.
644. 39:12AI is anything but neutral.
645. 39:14It is actively shaping this generation's worldview,
646. 39:17like nothing we've ever seen before.
647. 39:19And it's happening right under parents' noses.
648. 39:22And so I hope to equip them to see how is it impacting them
649. 39:27and what they can do about it?
650. 39:28Mm.
651. 39:29Oh, I'm intrigued.
652. 39:31I said I don't want you to give everything away,
653. 39:33but I can give a little more.
654. 39:35Yes, please.
655. 39:36Well, let's talk about how AI is in your home.
656. 39:39AI is in streaming platforms.
657. 39:41And the goal, I actually interviewed a massively successful
658. 39:44YouTuber named Justin Stewart.
659. 39:46He went by the name JSTU.
660. 39:48He had, I think, eight million subscribers, I think,
661. 39:52is what it was.
662. 39:53And he's just walked away from it because he said,
663. 39:55social media has changed since he started in YouTube
664. 39:58more than a decade ago.
665. 39:59And now the pressure on content creators
666. 40:03to get people addicted to the platform is insane.
667. 40:08and your attention, your children's attention
668. 40:11is what's being marketed and sold to the highest bidder.
669. 40:14And the more they have their attention,
670. 40:15the less sleep they have, the more 24-7 usage they have,
671. 40:19the more they can create discontent,
672. 40:21so then they can come in with a marketing need there.
673. 40:24This comes through streaming platforms,
674. 40:26which is auto play, like, oh, you like this here,
675. 40:28take this, try this show.
676. 40:31There's no intention in curating the world around you.
677. 40:35It's in toys, and actually this last Christmas Mattel
678. 40:38pulled back on their AI launch of toys because they saw from their research and development,
679. 40:43this is clearly a risk we're not willing to take because it is storing your child's voice,
680. 40:47their picture, their likeness in their most sacred space, which is their bedroom.
681. 40:53It's in your car to tell you where to go.
682. 40:55Everything is just crafted to you.
683. 40:57One of the most concerning things is the rise of AI chatbots.
684. 41:02So these are what kids interact with on a daily basis.
685. 41:06In most cases that I've seen that have ended in a very bad way, kids start talking with
686. 41:11them about homework.
687. 41:12Yeah.
688. 41:13And they just say, hey, you know, I'm having this trouble with homework.
689. 41:16Well, AI competes with parents in that its memory is perfect.
690. 41:20It will remember everything you tell it.
691. 41:22So if you tell it, oh, I have a test next week, AI can come back and ask you, how was the
692. 41:26test?
693. 41:27Oh, well, mom didn't ask me about the test.
694. 41:28Mom forgot.
695. 41:29Mom doesn't care.
696. 41:30But this person cares because children are not developmentally capable of distinguishing
697. 41:36between a robot and a person.
698. 41:38And AI is sycophantic.
699. 41:40I went to an international conference, the Institute for Faith and Learning, and the word
700. 41:44that I heard most used to describe AI is seductive.
701. 41:48That's what people are saying.
702. 41:49It's very sycophantic.
703. 41:50It's very, oh, that was such a great question.
704. 41:52Can you add another?
705. 41:53And actually, I'll end here with this, Abe, yesterday I was talking to a collaborator from
706. 41:59Hope for the Heart, the president of Hope for the Heart, which is a counseling ministry
707. 42:02and pray.com and they've developed an AI chat bot that is a closed system that only has
708. 42:09approved curated resources in there. And he was talking about how AI can't pray for you
709. 42:15because AI is not a person. And so if you ask this AI chat bot, can you pray for me? It will say,
710. 42:20no, I can't pray for you. I'm not a person. And yet I went to an open AI platform and I said,
711. 42:25can you pray for me? And it was like, sure. And it just started praying, like,
712. 42:28but not praying because that wasn't really a prayer.
713. 42:31Yeah, repeating algorithmic information that it's stored,
714. 42:35that said this is prayer language, so speed that out.
715. 42:38That's exactly right.
716. 42:39So parents got to wake up and pay attention and gauge.
717. 42:41Mm, you know, I did a show on that in the AI chat bots
718. 42:46and some of the circumstances, as you mentioned,
719. 42:48and have ended pretty tragically.
720. 42:51Yes.
721. 42:52Started with the children interacting with for homework
722. 42:54and several of them,
723. 42:55parents actually instructed the children to use it for homework.
724. 42:59Yeah, that's right.
725. 43:00Just not knowing what they were doing and then the interactions with the chat bot devolved
726. 43:06quite significantly, behavioral changes, behavioral patterns changed, emotions, moods changed,
727. 43:14hobbies changed, and parents didn't know why, and then you had tragedies on the other end.
728. 43:21And it is one of those things that we cannot afford to be negligent concerning.
729. 43:29We cannot downshift into neutral and see our children and our families to this.
730. 43:35And you know, but I would say though, that it's something that we have to model in addition
731. 43:39to being intentional in terms of being aware of what's happening because as you mentioned
732. 43:44before, while we're concerned about AI chatbots, do we have texting neck?
733. 43:49as you said earlier, are our faces and our phones nonstop?
734. 43:53And it's a thing that's a challenge,
735. 43:55but it's a necessary challenge.
736. 43:57And I really feel like a lot of it
737. 43:59is really attacking our humanity,
738. 44:02that we're made for interpersonal kinetic interaction.
739. 44:06And when that has been intercepted or impeded,
740. 44:09the impact is deleterious ultimately.
741. 44:12Well, social media really gave us a shift
742. 44:14in how we handle relationships.
743. 44:16Facebook unveiled the word unfriend
744. 44:18in around 2008 is when that came out.
745. 44:21And that concept carried over to our real relationships.
746. 44:25When you have conflict with someone,
747. 44:27hey, just unfriend them, ghost them.
748. 44:29Like there's all kinds of language
749. 44:31to describe the normalization
750. 44:33of just cutting off relationships.
751. 44:34And I feel like AI is taking that to a next step
752. 44:38because AI is programmed to tell us what we wanna hear.
753. 44:41Not the truth that we need to hear.
754. 44:44And that's going to compete with parents.
755. 44:46And that's where you and I were talking about.
756. 44:47at the beginning, Abe, all of this comes back down
757. 44:50to authentic relationships.
758. 44:52Our kids need to be connected with real people
759. 44:55in real time who are modeling a real and authentic faith.
760. 44:58It's not just about being the phone police
761. 45:00and cutting off all technology and building a bunker
762. 45:03and going back and living like it's a little house
763. 45:06on the prairie.
764. 45:07We've got to provide them a compelling alternative.
765. 45:09Hey, you wanna get off your phone?
766. 45:11Let me make being with me more compelling than that.
767. 45:13And it's really pretty simple.
768. 45:15It's just, hey, you wanna get off your phone
769. 45:17come do a puzzle with me. You want to get off your phone and come take a walk with me.
770. 45:20Want to get off your phone and make some cookies with me. You want to get off your phone and
771. 45:23take a drive with me? You'd be surprised at how much kids would say yes. Maybe not at first,
772. 45:29but if you're faithful and you keep asking, you'd be surprised at the memories you can
773. 45:32make. The thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy Abe and I'm convinced that technology
774. 45:37is the thief of time. And he is stealing the time that we have and wasting so much time.
775. 45:42And I dread the day I stand before God and see how many times, how many minutes I wasted
776. 45:46on a dumb game on my phone rather than investing in the heart of my children.
777. 45:50Oh, so well said.
778. 45:52Guys, you want to hear, Dr. Peck in person, you have that opportunity at the Activate Summit
779. 45:572026 Activate Summit, go to activate.afa.net to register.
780. 46:02That is activate.afa.net to register.
781. 46:05The conference will be July 16th through the 18th, 2026 at the Was Cadence Bank Arena.
782. 46:11Now Huntington Bank, arena and conference center in Tupelo, Mississippi, Dr. Peck will
783. 46:16be one of several speakers.
784. 46:21She mentioned the dynamic lineup, but frankly what you heard now, just now in my view is enough
785. 46:27to come and hear what she has to say because it will help you.
786. 46:32The whole thing is activate, not just to get information swirling around in your minds, but
787. 46:38to give you something that is actionable,
788. 46:40that you can take home and put into practice right away,
789. 46:43you do not want to miss that.
790. 46:46Activate.afa.net is the website.
791. 46:49Now, having said that,
792. 46:51and we've talked about some of the things
793. 46:52and kind of the negative sense,
794. 46:55but what are some things that you are drawing encouragement
795. 46:58from that have been encouraging to you,
796. 47:00even if challenging, but in a good way for you,
797. 47:03and that you're even looking forward to,
798. 47:05because as you were speaking,
799. 47:07A few moments ago, I immediately thought about Acts 17
800. 47:09and the fact that God and his divine providence,
801. 47:12knowing AI was on the rise and knowing what was coming,
802. 47:15but he's ordained us for the time that he's planted us in,
803. 47:17and he's done so so that men and women will seek him.
804. 47:21And so we don't have to be casualties
805. 47:24of our environment and our context,
806. 47:26but we actually are called really to be something like
807. 47:29in the context of God's place, doesn't.
808. 47:31So what are some of the things that are encouraging you
809. 47:33as you are on the front line, just as I am,
810. 47:35as you're going forward to be something like
811. 47:37in your neck of the woods?
812. 47:38That is a great question and one that I love to answer
813. 47:41because I do see good news.
814. 47:43And older generations kind of love to hate
815. 47:46on younger generations and talk about their undesirable
816. 47:50characteristics and there's a lot of talk,
817. 47:52especially about Gen Z, that they're lazy,
818. 47:55that they are unmotivated, they don't know what hard work is,
819. 47:59all of these kinds of things.
820. 48:00And that really kind of rubs me the wrong way
821. 48:02because I have kids in Gen Z and every generation
822. 48:05has their quirks.
823. 48:07But the thing I see about Gen Z is two things
824. 48:09that I see that are really encouraging.
825. 48:10First, they are being the first generation
826. 48:14to really push back on technology.
827. 48:17My kids, I did not teach them the same,
828. 48:19but my kids came to me and they say this all the time
829. 48:22because it's what they say with their friends.
830. 48:24Hang up and hang out, Mom.
831. 48:25Hang up and hang out.
832. 48:26You've been on your phone way too long.
833. 48:28You need to take that app off of your phone
834. 48:30and remove it as a temptation.
835. 48:32and I start to hear all of these ways
836. 48:34that they're pushing back.
837. 48:34They're using digital cameras.
838. 48:36They're not even using their phones as cameras
839. 48:38because they want to be present in the moment.
840. 48:40I just saw a church that hosted a no phone event
841. 48:43where people would come with crafts
842. 48:45or all those kinds of things.
843. 48:47The second thing I would see that's really encouraging
844. 48:49is the revival that is happening in Gen Z.
845. 48:51You talk to any leader and they're all talking
846. 48:54about revival happening in Gen Z.
847. 48:55Mm, that is encouraging.
848. 49:01It is encouraging to me.
849. 49:02It is very encouraging.
850. 49:04You don't want to miss it.
851. 49:05Activate Summit July 16th through the 18th.
852. 49:09Dr. Peck will be there bringing it as you heard her bring it here.
853. 49:12You can hear her program, the Dr. Nurse Mama Show daily
854. 49:15right here in American Family Radio at 2PM Central Time.
855. 49:19Dr. Peck, thank you so much for joining me today.
856. 49:21I have got to have you back on the program.
857. 49:23Thanks Abe anytime and same here.
858. 49:25Love to have you back as well.
859. 49:27See you at the summit.
860. 49:28All righty.
861. 49:29Will you all have a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful day?
862. 49:32My God's Grace will be back here next week.
863. 49:39The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
864. 49:44Family Association or American Family Radio.