Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Dr. George Barna, Andrew Wommack, and Mike Pickett.

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12. 0:38Abe Hamilton III.
13. 0:39And we've got a fantastic show.
14. 0:41I'm not going to take up a lot of time with any sort of opening monologue or anything because
15. 0:48we have with us to begin the program tonight, a name you've probably heard for much of your
16. 0:56Christian life.
17. 0:58It's almost impossible to hear evangelical conservative preachers who don't cite at least
18. 1:05some point during their message, George Barna.
19. 1:09George Barna is a Christian, he's a researcher, a trend watcher.
20. 1:14I really think he applies sociology and really observance of the culture to the Christian world
21. 1:23view.
22. 1:24I cannot overstate the respect I have for this man and the great contributions he makes
23. 1:29to Christian scholarship and it is a privilege to have him on the program with us right now.
24. 1:35Welcome to the American Family Radio Network, George Barna.
25. 1:39Welcome, sir.
26. 1:40Alex is so great to be back with you.
27. 1:42I mean, we've done shows on various places over the years and I love your work and it's
28. 1:48wonderful to be with you.
29. 1:49Thanks for having me on.
30. 1:51Well, God bless you.
31. 1:52And thank you.
32. 1:53Before we go too much farther, tell us your website.
33. 1:55What is your most recent book and where may people follow the research that you do?
34. 2:00Well, the most recent book is called Raising Spiritual Champions.
35. 2:06It won't be the most recent book for long.
36. 2:08I'm finishing my manuscript for my next book this week.
37. 2:13So that will be coming out in June.
38. 2:15So looking forward to that.
39. 2:17You can follow all of our research either at culturalresearchcenter.com.
40. 2:24We have the Cultural Research Center at Arizona Christian University.
41. 2:28That's where that's coming from.
42. 2:31They can follow it on my website, which is georgebarnah.com.
43. 2:36I've got to ask you this.
44. 2:38What led you into doing what you do?
45. 2:43It's been my joy since really the late 80s when I became a Christian, I was in college.
46. 2:51Just in the providence of God, I discovered Chuck Colson and C.S. Lewis in Biblical worldview.
47. 2:58Really, as far back as I can remember as a believer, I have read your data.
48. 3:07It's just been so helpful.
49. 3:09First of all, I want to say thank you.
50. 3:10I know I speak for millions of Christians throughout the world that have really been helped
51. 3:16by the research and the writing that you do.
52. 3:18I'm curious as to know what led you into that.
53. 3:21Well, you know, there are a lot of ways I could answer that.
54. 3:24One of those as well as baseball cards, because that's really what got me interested in statistics.
55. 3:30All my friends loved the pictures.
56. 3:32I loved the flip side with the microscopic print, all those numbers.
57. 3:36And I realized before I reached double digits in terms of age that those numbers told a
58. 3:44story for every one of those players if you knew how to read the numbers.
59. 3:48So that's really what got me interested in numbers.
60. 3:51After I got out of grad school, I started working in the secular market research field.
61. 3:59I was primarily engaged in politics.
62. 4:01I'd been a campaign manager, a campaign pollster.
63. 4:05I've been doing that, but then a Christian medium management company came in to have
64. 4:11our company test some of the television programming for their clients.
65. 4:16People like O'Rourke Roberts and Billy Graham and Youth for Christ, World Relief.
66. 4:22And so I got assigned the account because it just so happened, I was the only Christian in that huge research company.
67. 4:29And then that company hired me away.
68. 4:32While I was there because I had just become a Christian, I didn't know much about the faith.
69. 4:37They sent me to an NRB conference back in Washington DC in 1982.
70. 4:47And they had three keynote speakers and I thought, well, I should go and hear all these
71. 4:52people.
72. 4:53I don't know who they are, but they must be a big deal.
73. 4:56So the first one was Chuck Colson.
74. 5:01I knew him because of politics.
75. 5:03I didn't know anything about his faith.
76. 5:06When he started talking about it and then got into the whole worldview issue, that's
77. 5:11something else.
78. 5:12Then the next day, the keynote speaker was Charles Stanley.
79. 5:18Never heard of him.
80. 5:19But, oh my gosh, he blew me away.
81. 5:22I just show me how do you study the Bible?
82. 5:25How do you think about God's word?
83. 5:26That was amazing.
84. 5:28And then the third day, the keynote speaker,
85. 5:31was Francis Schafer.
86. 5:33Never heard of him?
87. 5:35Never heard of him?
88. 5:36I'm kidding this.
89. 5:37Yeah, I mean what a line up huh?
90. 5:39So this cranky little man gets up there in his Swiss outfit,
91. 5:45his, I forget what he did.
92. 5:46Knickers.
93. 5:47Yeah, yeah, yeah.
94. 5:49and he gets up there and he was incredible.
95. 5:52You know, and I got to meet him and the whole thing
96. 5:55because my first book had just come out.
97. 5:58It came out with his publisher, Crossway.
98. 6:00So, you know, I got to see him.
99. 6:02But what an introduction to Christianity.
100. 6:04So it was right from the beginning
101. 6:06that I got to know about this concept of worldview
102. 6:10and eventually work with Chuck Colston
103. 6:12doing the research behind his book,
104. 6:15which was an answer to Shafer's book
105. 6:17take off for Shafer's book, how then shall we live and how now shall we live.
106. 6:24So yeah, it's been a heck of a journey and here I am at Arizona Christian University,
107. 6:31which is a school that's dedicated to developing biblical worldview.
108. 6:35And the first thing they asked me to do was to measure that in all of our students and
109. 6:41then to put together a measure that Americans can take.
110. 6:44So we've got that online now.
111. 6:47So yeah, it's been a great ride.
112. 6:49Amen.
113. 6:50You know, I love to hear the journey of people like yourself and just in the providence of
114. 6:55God.
115. 6:56Oh my goodness.
116. 6:57You're a new believer, very impressionable and boom, boom, boom, you hear Chuck Coles
117. 7:01and Charles Stanley and Francis Shafer.
118. 7:05And the trajectory of your life was set.
119. 7:08It really was.
120. 7:09I mean, all three of them became heroes of the faith for me.
121. 7:13And you know, I got to meet all of them.
122. 7:17I got to work with a couple of them, two of them.
123. 7:20And you know, it was just amazing.
124. 7:23It's like when God wants you, he'll set you up for success.
125. 7:26And if you're willing to do what he calls you to do,
126. 7:29it's going to be unlike anything you could have imagined.
127. 7:32Indeed.
128. 7:34So I want to queue up a question about the spiritual battle
129. 7:37that the Western world finds itself in.
130. 7:40You know, when I became a Christian in college,
131. 7:43Reagan had just started his second term.
132. 7:46He was maybe in the second year of his second term.
133. 7:49And at UNC Greensboro, University of North Carolina
134. 7:51at Greensboro, I just began to notice
135. 7:55that it seemed like every professor I had hated Ronald Reagan,
136. 8:00hated Jerry Falwell, who was very prominent
137. 8:03there in the late 80s.
138. 8:05and a brilliant, I went to Liberty to grad school, Dr. Falwell was a brilliant thinker
139. 8:14for Christ. And even people like Billy Graham, they would just denigrate. And I just remember,
140. 8:20I thought, no, this is odd. It doesn't matter if it's English, math, or philosophy.
141. 8:26Every one of my professors despises everybody that's on the conservative,
142. 8:31spiritual, political, right. And, you know, as the years went by and I read, I begin to
143. 8:38really learn about the drift away from a biblical foundation, not only in America, but the West.
144. 8:46All of that to say this, if you were trying to describe the last 50 to 70 years of American
145. 8:53life to someone who didn't even know all the trends.
146. 8:59How would you describe the America of World War II to America of the 21st century?
147. 9:10You know, when I go back 50, 60, 70 years, one of the things that I think based on the
148. 9:15way that I look at society is which is looking at data.
149. 9:18I want an objective understanding of what's going on.
150. 9:20I don't want to read newspapers, you know, because that's all subjective.
151. 9:24at least it's become that way.
152. 9:26And so when I look at that, back in the day,
153. 9:30we had a group of people who, even if they weren't
154. 9:35deeply spiritual people, they recognized that
155. 9:40they weren't God.
156. 9:42They recognized that there was a God,
157. 9:46and that he was all powerful, he was all knowing,
158. 9:48he was just, perfect, powerful.
159. 9:54But when you look at our nation today, we reject that notion because we've been seduced
160. 10:00into thinking that we are the God of our own life.
161. 10:06You go back 70 years, you find out that most Americans believed that there was absolute moral
162. 10:13truth and that it mattered, that it should shape a person's life and that if you chose,
163. 10:22because it's always a choice.
164. 10:24If you chose to reject absolute moral truth,
165. 10:27there would be consequences for that.
166. 10:29You could make that choice, but you were going to pay for it.
167. 10:32In America today, the vast majority of people,
168. 10:36particularly in the professions you were talking about,
169. 10:39reject the notion that there is absolute moral truth
170. 10:42and have this perspective that each individual
171. 10:47determines truth for themselves based on their feelings,
172. 10:51their experiences, their desires.
173. 10:53It's their will that determines what's right and wrong.
174. 10:58And so you start looking at all these major differences
175. 11:02between what America was founded upon,
176. 11:06what we believed for a couple hundred years
177. 11:08and how well it served us.
178. 11:10And then you look at the turning points
179. 11:13that happened in the 60s and 70s
180. 11:16that drove us to a completely different philosophy of life
181. 11:19or worldview, and the harm that that has caused not only to our nation, but to individuals,
182. 11:29to families, to institutions.
183. 11:33And it's in some ways an easy fix because we can identify what caused the crumbling of
184. 11:42America.
185. 11:43But in some ways it's almost an impossible fix.
186. 11:47Because what's happened is Pandora's box is opened and we've jumped out and we're full
187. 11:53of ourselves now.
188. 11:55And we're not willing to go back and recognize, you know what?
189. 11:59I am the creation of that holy righteous powerful God.
190. 12:03I live because he wants me to live and he has a purpose for me.
191. 12:10If I fulfill that, I bring honor and glory to Him.
192. 12:14If I don't, I bring dishonor to Him.
193. 12:17And I will never feel satisfied.
194. 12:19I'll never feel fulfilled.
195. 12:21I will not be living up to my potential, no matter how many degrees I get, no matter how
196. 12:27many homes I own, no matter how much money I make, because my life is all about God's
197. 12:33will for it.
198. 12:35So it's a very, very different world that we live in than my parents and grandparents did.
199. 12:42Do you have hope that America will experience a revival, a spiritual, a great awakening?
200. 12:53You know, I think the Bible is kind of clear that we never know when those things are going
201. 12:57to happen.
202. 12:58We cannot reasonably predict them.
203. 13:02If I had to guess just based on the data that I have about the trajectory of our country
204. 13:09today morally, spiritually, worldview-wise, I would say probably not in my lifetime now.
205. 13:17The good news is I'm an old guy, so my lifetime is probably not going to be that much longer,
206. 13:21so that doesn't put us in a very difficult place for a long time, hopefully.
207. 13:28I for one in praying for your longevity
208. 13:33You know, I know I'm going I'm kind of anxious to get there myself, but okay
209. 13:39I appreciate your sentiment
210. 13:43Yeah, I think it's it's really gonna take a move in the Holy Spirit as it always is but
211. 13:50We are we are really deep in the hole that we dug for ourselves and
212. 13:54And so the kind of man-made programs that we typically turn to to turn things
213. 14:01around I don't think are gonna do much for us. It's gonna take a lot of
214. 14:05repentance, I mean deep serious repentance, a lot of prayer and a lot of
215. 14:11trust in God and God alone for that to happen. I pray that happens in my
216. 14:18lifetime I'd love to see it I'd love to be part of it I'd love to cheer it on.
217. 14:22Yeah, it's going to take a lot.
218. 14:26We've got to take a brief break.
219. 14:27The voice you're hearing is George Barna.
220. 14:30Your website again quickly, sir.
221. 14:33Either culturalresearchcenter.com or GeorgeBarna.com.
222. 14:40Okay folks, stay tuned.
223. 14:41Alex McFarland here.
224. 14:42By the way, you can listen to this show again at AFR.net.
225. 14:46All the shows are archived.
226. 14:48This is one I think you might want to share and spread around.
227. 14:51We've got a brief break more with George Barna on the Hamilton Corner after this.
228. 14:55Stay tuned.
229. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
230. 15:05Sheep desperately need a shepherd.
231. 15:07And we are like sheep.
232. 15:09The Lord is my shepherd.
233. 15:11I shall.
234. 15:14Psalm 23 is not just a nice poem.
235. 15:15It actually is one of the most favorite passages in all of God's Word.
236. 15:21But the fact is it's not just a nice poem, a nice psalm to be drawn from.
237. 15:26a weapon, an important tool for us to read and meditate on every day to confess and stand
238. 15:32on. Father, thank you for the gift, Psalm 23 is. Thank you for the opportunity for us to
239. 15:38speak Psalm 23 and to know that we can trust your word. You have guidance, you have counsel,
240. 15:45you have encouragement, strength, wisdom and power, so much more for us as we simply read
241. 15:50and meditate on your word and listen to the voice of you, our great shepherd. Thank you for
242. 15:55opportunity to do just that.
243. 15:56In Jesus' name we do pray.
244. 15:58Amen.
245. 15:59Shining light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
246. 16:12Welcome back to the program.
247. 16:13What a privilege always to glean from the wisdom of George Barna.
248. 16:18And before the break, I posed the question about a spiritual awakening.
249. 16:22And you know, it's interesting, George, last Easter, the famed atheist, Richard Dawkins.
250. 16:30wrote a piece. And he and I have, I interviewed a number of atheists for a book. I was writing
251. 16:36on atheists, and I never conversed with him, but we did email back and forth. And he's just
252. 16:41an intractable atheist. However, last Easter, he lamented walking through London on Easter
253. 16:49Sunday morning that he did not hear church bells ringing, but he heard the minarets calling
254. 16:56people to Islamic prayer.
255. 16:58And even Richard Dawkins said he's concerned that the vacuum created by the loss of Christianity,
256. 17:08it's not just neutral, but what's rushed into fillet has been, you know, Islam and other
257. 17:14worldviews.
258. 17:16How people understand that, whether it's personally or culturally, if, you know, Jesus
259. 17:23said he who doesn't stand with me scatters
260. 17:26as the the biblical worldview has partially retreated from our culture
261. 17:33uh... a lot of very dangerous things have come in in its place haven't they
262. 17:39well they really have alex i mean you know our studies show that right now
263. 17:44only about four percent of adults in america have a biblical worldview
264. 17:49And for the most part, that has been replaced by what we call
265. 17:54syncretism, which is essentially cut and paste kind of world view.
266. 17:59Where what people do is they get exposed to all kinds of world views.
267. 18:03There are many different world views.
268. 18:05And people are choosing bits and pieces from each one of them,
269. 18:10bolting them together into a customized philosophy of life
270. 18:14that makes them feel good, rather than one that
271. 18:18helps them to discern truth and purpose and righteousness.
272. 18:23So I would guess that Mr. Dawkins was really feeling the loss of the stability that we get
273. 18:33when the values of our culture are based on the truth principles that God gives to us
274. 18:40in His Word.
275. 18:43What we've replaced it with are the feelings and the ideas of the day.
276. 18:49And they change constantly.
277. 18:50They're unreliable.
278. 18:51They're unstable.
279. 18:53They're not true in most cases.
280. 18:56But they're coming from the syncretistic approach to life where we're constantly looking
281. 19:02to make ourselves feel comfortable, to make ourselves feel important, to make ourselves
282. 19:09feel like we're in charge.
283. 19:12And so we don't have to worry about what the government much less God tells us we ought
284. 19:19to be doing or thinking or even hoping for.
285. 19:23So it's a very different day and age.
286. 19:26And I understand what he was talking about, particularly as you go through London these
287. 19:29days.
288. 19:30London has always been my favorite place in the world to visit.
289. 19:35And years ago I turned down a job there working for a huge research company and I kind of kicked
290. 19:40myself now thinking, yeah, I should have gone.
291. 19:43there while the getting was good because I don't think I'd want to be there today.
292. 19:49Transgendarism.
293. 19:50Do you believe that transgenderism is like the ultimate expression of relativism?
294. 19:58And let me explain because, you know, it's one thing if a person says, you know, God can't
295. 20:02tell me how to behave.
296. 20:04But transgenderism is essentially saying, not God, not anybody can even define what I am.
297. 20:11I and I alone will define my existence and what I am.
298. 20:16And do you believe that the rise of transgenderism is maybe a sign that our culture is just reprobate,
299. 20:27not even able to discern truth from error or even reality from unreality?
300. 20:33Well, I kind of think that the Bible tells us that God has placed a conscience in us,
301. 20:45and that conscience brings us back to his righteousness, his glory, his perspectives,
302. 20:52his truth principles.
303. 20:54And so if we are open to identifying real truth, God has given us the tool, the mechanism
304. 21:05to be able to do that and then the Holy Spirit will build on that.
305. 21:09I think that when we look at things like transgenderism, what we're seeing
306. 21:14is the rampant selfishness of people who are willing to beat down
307. 21:21what their conscience might tell them in order to
308. 21:25to elevate themselves to the throne of the world in which
309. 21:31they want to live. They basically want to be the God of their own existence. And that
310. 21:38sexual preference that they're expressing, I think, is just a very overt way of letting
311. 21:46people know, hey, nobody's going to tell me what to do. I'm in charge of my own destiny,
312. 21:52and I don't care what your Bible or your Quran or your Bhagavad Gita or whatever it is that
313. 21:58that you turn to for truth.
314. 22:00I turn inward because I'm the only one who can know what's right for me.
315. 22:05I think it's just one of many instances where people are looking to establish themselves
316. 22:12as the center of their own universe.
317. 22:17Did you know Charlie Kirk?
318. 22:19Yes.
319. 22:20Yes.
320. 22:21Same here.
321. 22:22In fact, he spoke for one of my conferences exactly two weeks before he was shot.
322. 22:34He had his share of critics, of course, when he would speak at colleges and some of whom
323. 22:39would be very vehement and yell and shout.
324. 22:42But how did that impact you?
325. 22:46It's not just spirit to disagreement, but I think about some of the school shooters at
326. 22:51Christian schools. I mean, the ideological left and the trans activists, not just disagreement,
327. 23:02but wanting to kill voices of opposition. That's very concerning that we're at this point in
328. 23:09our culture.
329. 23:10Well, you know, I tend to look at it as that being an indication of just how effective
330. 23:18Charlie was. You know, why do they want to get rid of Mr. Trump, President Trump, because
331. 23:24he's incredibly effective. He's got a worldview that has become increasingly clear. He's surrounded
332. 23:32himself with an effective team of leaders who buy the same vision, and they're working
333. 23:38cooperatively toward that. And I think Charlie had that same kind of condition where, you
334. 23:45know people would listen to them they'd be impacted by him and they thought man I
335. 23:50you know other than spew hate I don't know how to tear apart what he's saying so
336. 23:57we've got to get the microphone away from him yeah and you know I think that's a
337. 24:02lot of what this violence that we're seeing is that the truth is just so
338. 24:06powerful people think the only way we can you know get rid of that truth is to
339. 24:12get rid of the truth teller.
340. 24:15We've got a transition to a different segment here, but George Barna, I appreciate you so
341. 24:20much. Give your websites one more time.
342. 24:23Yeah, either GeorgeBarna.com or Cultural Research Center.com.
343. 24:30God bless you. Thank you for being with us, but even more importantly, thank you for the
344. 24:32work that you do for the body of Christ worldwide, myself included. Thank you.
345. 24:37Yeah, thank you, Alex. Good to be with you.
346. 24:40bless you. The voice you were just hearing is that of George Barna, the Barna
347. 24:44research group, and so much data that he's provided as a statistician and trend
348. 24:50watcher. But we're gonna change gears here and bring up two very close friends
349. 24:55and colleagues. You know, I read a statistic and I'm sure that they'll comment
350. 24:59on it. Mike Pickett and Andrew Womack beloved colleagues in the gospel. Do you
351. 25:06Even though they say since 2019 enrollment in Christian education has increased by 35%,
352. 25:14whether it be K through 12 Christian schools, Christian colleges or online Christian courses,
353. 25:21there's a great hunger for the Word of God.
354. 25:24And that's good news.
355. 25:26And it's been my joy speaking of Christian education now for more than 10 years to teach
356. 25:32at Caris Bible College in Woodland Park, Colorado, and to sit at the feet of Andrew Womack.
357. 25:39And just to be blessed to enjoy the teaching of this dear brother Andrew Womack, founder of
358. 25:46AWM Andrew Womack Ministries Caris Bible College, and Mike Pickett there both with us now.
359. 25:52Guys, this is a rare treat to have both of you simultaneously to be on the American Family
360. 25:58radio network. So thanks for making time guys. Well thank you for having us Alex. It's always a blessing
361. 26:04to be with you. You're awesome. Well God is awesome and hey by the way folks listen up. One of the
362. 26:11great happenings every summer is the summer family Bible Conference at Keras in Woodland Park.
363. 26:19If you've never been I can take the whole show to tell you how great this is. You will not be
364. 26:24disappointed. It's at Pike's Peak in just some of the most beautiful country God
365. 26:29created and the speakers and then there's a pageant that there's nothing on
366. 26:36Broadway comparable to the patriotic play and musical they put on every year
367. 26:42and it's my great privilege this summer I'll be speaking but before we get into
368. 26:48some questions Mike and or Andrew give us the websites tell us about summer
369. 26:54family and just any other great happenings at Keras that you want people to know about.
370. 27:00Well like you were saying about the summer family Bible conference this year we
371. 27:05have a new musical entitled Finding America and it's celebrating 250 years of
372. 27:11the birth of this nation and as you said Alex the people who put on our plays
373. 27:15have been offered a lot of money to go to Broadway and put them on there. That
374. 27:20quality and it be special. And then we have Hugh and we have David Barton, Bill
375. 27:26Federer, E.W. Jackson, Chad Connolly, Richard Harris just on and on speaking. And it's
376. 27:34all going to be patriotic. It's all going to be about this nation and the
377. 27:38and privileges of God has given us.
378. 27:41And we have a special youth program
379. 27:45where we turn our, what I call the barn,
380. 27:47it's a 1500 seat auditorium,
381. 27:50and we turn it into an actual colonial set,
382. 27:55and it will have colonial people dressed in character
383. 27:58and doing things.
384. 27:59And I mean, the youth program is so good
385. 28:02that we have to force the adults to stay in the adult thing.
386. 28:06They want to go in.
387. 28:07Yeah, we, that's for 12 and under.
388. 28:12And then we also do have a youth program for teenagers.
389. 28:15And that's for 13 all the way up to 20.
390. 28:19And that's also an incredible time
391. 28:20where we're gonna be celebrating the United States
392. 28:22and everything that's happened here.
393. 28:23So to find out more information,
394. 28:25you can check us out at awmi.net
395. 28:29or you can go to karrisboblicollege.org.
396. 28:33Amen, amen.
397. 28:34And I know coming up really quickly at the first of May is,
398. 28:39well, Truth in Liberty and either Mike or Andrew,
399. 28:44explain what Truth in Liberty is,
400. 28:45and then I know there's a board meeting that I'll be at
401. 28:49and a banquet as well at the first part of May.
402. 28:52Tell us about that if you would please guys.
403. 28:56Well, Truth in Liberty is something we started,
404. 28:58I don't even remember exactly,
405. 29:00I think it was probably around 2017.
406. 29:03So it's been nine years or something.
407. 29:05And it was basically just to get Christians motivated
408. 29:09to get involved in the culture
409. 29:11because there's so many Christians that believe
410. 29:14that politics or dirty, which they are,
411. 29:16and that's the reason Christians need to be there.
412. 29:18So they don't clean it up.
413. 29:21But anyway, it was to motivate believers,
414. 29:23to get involved and to take a stand on morals.
415. 29:27And it has really developed into something
416. 29:30that is beginning to get traction
417. 29:32and it's making a difference.
418. 29:34And we've actually got a lot of people contacting us now
419. 29:38and wanting to be on our broadcast.
420. 29:40It's being broadcast on our gospel truth network.
421. 29:43And soon we're planning on putting this on God TV
422. 29:47that reaches worldwide.
423. 29:50And so truth and liberty is a big deal.
424. 29:55And we're gonna have that awards,
425. 29:56but do you remember where that is?
426. 29:58It's the first of May.
427. 29:59First of May, and we're gonna be honoring David Barton
428. 30:02and also Tina Peters, which some people don't know Tina, but she was the county clerk out in,
429. 30:09I think it was Grant Junction if I'm not mistaken, and she saw the shenanigans that were being done by
430. 30:17our secretary of state and it was crooked and they came in and they wiped the computers and changed everything so that nobody could check up on stuff and
431. 30:27Tina saw it coming and so she did a backup and anyway they have persecuted her and right now
432. 30:34she's in jail. She was put in jail by Colorado because it is such a liberal state and they're
433. 30:40accusing her of cheating and doing these things and of course everything she did was after the election.
434. 30:46It didn't have a thing to do with it. She was trying to preserve the data and show that there was like,
435. 30:51I forget the number of 10,000 irregularities in there.
436. 30:58So they came and wiped everything out, put her in jail,
437. 31:01but we're gonna honor her for standing up
438. 31:04and taking a stand.
439. 31:05Amen.
440. 31:06Amen.
441. 31:07Mike Pickett.
442. 31:08Mike and Keir Pickett have been friends
443. 31:10for quite a number of years.
444. 31:12And let's talk for a moment about
445. 31:14just the miraculous growth of the college.
446. 31:19And folks, it's been my great privilege
447. 31:21and is my great privilege to teach apologetics there
448. 31:25and biblical worldview.
449. 31:26And I've taught very much in the School of Practical Government,
450. 31:30which is a third year program.
451. 31:33And we talk about it's really political science
452. 31:36and why Christians need to run for office and how to do it.
453. 31:40Everywhere I go, I meet people that are the graduates
454. 31:46and they're so enthused.
455. 31:48And Mike, for those that may not know about Keras, try to help people understand the just
456. 31:54how exciting it is that there are thousands and thousands of people, young people, eagerly
457. 32:01learning the word of God.
458. 32:02Oh my goodness, there's a break.
459. 32:03I hear this music.
460. 32:05Okay, guys, give websites and we'll unpack after this break.
461. 32:10So again, our website is awmi.net.
462. 32:13Check out the ministry and then terracebobelcollege.org to check out the Bible College.
463. 32:17Okay, very special guest Andrew Womack. You've probably heard him your whole life Mike Pickett
464. 32:24And we'll talk further folks. Do you know in John 1035 Jesus said the scripture cannot be broken?
465. 32:31That's why we stand on the Word of God. That's why we preach teach proclaim and
466. 32:36Endeavor to live the gospel because heaven and earth will pass away God's Word will stand forever Matthew 2435
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478. 33:45Welcome back to the program.
479. 33:47Alex McFarland here.
480. 33:48So honored to be talking with Bible teacher, educator, Christian leader, and the founder
481. 33:55of Karis Bible College, Andrew Womack, and executive vice president.
482. 33:59Mike Pickett, husband of Kerry Pickett, who is also an EVP, long-time friends and colleagues.
483. 34:06Mike, before the break, I wanted to sort of queue it up.
484. 34:09And for those that don't know, you know, Kerris is very exciting.
485. 34:13And the thing that thrills me about it, the thousands of young people coming to learn
486. 34:20God's Word to prepare for a life of impact.
487. 34:24But describe Kerris for those that maybe have never been to Woodland Park.
488. 34:30It's a great question Alex.
489. 34:32I'd say we're a lot like a Thanksgiving get together with all the trimmings.
490. 34:37We have an amazing time where we have students from 18 years old all the way up to 90 years
491. 34:42old.
492. 34:43People come in to really understand who they are in Christ, the word of God and discover
493. 34:47their callings.
494. 34:48What's really amazing about it is that we don't just, we're not just available for pastors
495. 34:52to come in or for future ministers, but it's for people in the workplace, it's for stay-at-home
496. 34:57mom and dad, it's for really anybody who wants to grow in their relationship with the Lord.
497. 35:02And what we've seen, as you had mentioned, the top of the show, the top of our talk together,
498. 35:06was the fact that there is a growing desire for Christian education, for people to really
499. 35:11know and understand the Word of God, because people are starting to understand that without
500. 35:15the Word, there's really no meaning to life.
501. 35:19And so as they continue to grow in their revelation of who God is in them and who they are in
502. 35:23Christ, people are discovering something greater for their lives and to discover purpose and
503. 35:28calling in relationship with the Lord that's setting them free from past addictions, from
504. 35:33past things that would cause them to stumble in their lives.
505. 35:36So it's just super excited.
506. 35:38We have our fastest growing demographic, our children, our kids in their 20s, and our median
507. 35:45age just this past year has dropped from 40 down to 37. So we're seeing younger generation
508. 35:51more and more coming to discover who they are in Christ. It was a word actually say
509. 35:56about what God can do in and through them. It's really exciting to see.
510. 35:59Well, it really is. And in the coming up on 11 years, I suppose it was 11 years ago that I went
511. 36:07up on the mountain with Mark Cowart and Andrew was saying there's going to be this building over
512. 36:14here in that building and it's all happening, but the growth has just been vertical and it's
513. 36:21God's doing.
514. 36:23But Andrew, let me ask you this.
515. 36:27We hear the phrase, the seven mountains of influence or the engines that drive the culture.
516. 36:33Talk to us about how God's word really, really does speak to every area of life and culture.
517. 36:41You know, Carri's Bible college reflects that because the first two years the first year is just getting established in basic Christian
518. 36:52Doctrine, it's basically an apologetics course. The second year is very practical about hands-on things
519. 36:59They have to go on a foreign missions trip and I mean this changes people's lives
520. 37:04But then our third year we have eight tracks and it addresses those seven mountains of influence that you're talking about
521. 37:11So we not only have a ministry track and a worship track,
522. 37:15but we've got film and production,
523. 37:17like you had mentioned earlier about our productions
524. 37:20that we put on here, and people have been offered millions
525. 37:23of dollars to go to Broadway.
526. 37:25It's that quality.
527. 37:26And so that film and production track,
528. 37:29they actually are the ones that make the sex,
529. 37:32that design the costumes, that write the scripts,
530. 37:35it's hands on, and I don't think that there's any place
531. 37:38in the country that you could get is good of an education
532. 37:42in film and production.
533. 37:44And then we have a practical government school,
534. 37:46you've ministered in that quite a few times.
535. 37:49We have a business school that is, I think, one of the best.
536. 37:52And we've actually got graduates over in Africa now
537. 37:56that out of, do you remember this Samuel?
538. 37:59How many people?
539. 38:00He's currently employing 17 people.
540. 38:02Yeah, but I'm saying they had a contest in Africa.
541. 38:05And I forget, but it was just, it was hundreds of thousands
542. 38:08of people applied. And our graduate won and they said they had never seen a presentation
543. 38:15that was that good. And so that's the quality and he now has how many people
544. 38:19wouldn't send it to me. And it's just awesome to see what's happening. So we've got practical
545. 38:24government, we've got business, we've got global training, global training, which is training
546. 38:30people to run our ministry and all of our Bible colleges.
547. 38:33And then also we have a track that students can go through,
548. 38:37call a part-time basis.
549. 38:39So it's full-time school, but they come on a part-time basis.
550. 38:43So it's really, as you had mentioned, Alex, all spheres
551. 38:47of those seven mountains are being covered
552. 38:49through the different tracks that are being offered
553. 38:51during third year of Carris Bible College.
554. 38:53And David Barton is a guy who established our curriculum
555. 38:56for the practical government school.
556. 38:59And they actually go on and trip to the Denver.
557. 39:03capital and see things done and then they take a trip to Washington every year where they actually sit in and see bills that are
558. 39:11Being voted on and things like that. So it's really practical. I'm good. Hey, man
559. 39:17It really is and the thing I applaud you both for having a long view
560. 39:23I mean a lot of Christians. I love the church. I'm on the road
561. 39:27I'm in a pulpit somewhere
562. 39:28pretty much every weekend out of the year and Christians they'll say oh the world is so bad
563. 39:34I just I want the trumpet to sound and let's go on to heaven and
564. 39:37Of course, we you know like Paul said to depart and be with Jesus, which is far better
565. 39:43but I think we in the church what we need to
566. 39:49Live as if we might be here another 500 years because
567. 39:53We can't just retreat and let the the world implode
568. 39:57we've got to build and prepare for the Great Commission long after we're gone.
569. 40:04So you guys have a long-term view of the church's role in this world, and I think that's great.
570. 40:11Well, you know the command of
571. 40:15Paul to Timothy is to take the things that he is learning, commit them to faithful men and women who'll be able to teach other people.
572. 40:21And so this has been my goal from day one to try and make disciples and
573. 40:25and Cares Bible College is the best tool we have for making disciples and might could give you probably more details
574. 40:33But we have people on every continent of the world
575. 40:37We have people that are on television and radio people that are running for government people that are pasturing
576. 40:43Just I mean, it's it's sending people everywhere. So right now
577. 40:48We have more than 9,000 people who are going through Cares Bible College all over the world as well as more
578. 40:53of 16,000 graduates.
579. 40:55And that's all encompassing more than 22 different nations
580. 40:59throughout the world with 56 Bible colleges, 22 offices,
581. 41:03and growing.
582. 41:04So we're just excited to see, you know,
583. 41:06you had mentioned this earlier as well, Alex,
584. 41:09is there's a hunger for the word of God.
585. 41:11People are recognizing that the word is the solution.
586. 41:14And the thing I really appreciate about Kerris,
587. 41:16which is on Andrew's heart when he first founded it,
588. 41:19is the fact that we have only one textbook,
589. 41:22And that's the Bible.
590. 41:23It's the word of God.
591. 41:24To think about going through Bible college and not opening the word is just crazy to me.
592. 41:30So I think that aspect of if you're going to know the word and you have to open the word,
593. 41:36you have to study the word, you have to be in the word.
594. 41:38And that's what we're seeing is bringing the greatest change in people's lives as they
595. 41:42walk through that process of discovering all that the word says about them.
596. 41:46And Alex, we've just gotten through with our, what we call the festival of nations.
597. 41:50I think it's become all of our favorite thing because we had all of our directors here now
598. 41:56and they came from all over the world and we had people sing the same song in all of
599. 42:02these different languages.
600. 42:04We had everybody wear their native garb and I mean some of them were extreme but we had
601. 42:11them come.
602. 42:12We had the African dancing up and down the aisles and then we had them give testimony
603. 42:19about people that have been raised from the dead, people that are being healed, delivered,
604. 42:24saved, baptized in the Holy Spirit. And I mean, it is just revival on a world's game.
605. 42:31Amen. Praise God. It's a little snapshot of every kindred tongue, tribe and nation praising
606. 42:39the Lamb. Amen. Amen. Well, let's talk time fleets away. There's so much I want to ask
607. 42:45you, you brothers, but God TV, what is that and how does that play into your
608. 42:53fulfillment of the Great Commission? Well, God TV was started in 1995. I've been
609. 42:59broadcasting twice a day on it since 2000. So 26 years I've been on there and
610. 43:05God TV is huge overseas, but in the United States because of change of leadership
611. 43:12and different things that happened, it's only got one outlet in the United States.
612. 43:16And it's a long story, but they came to me and wanted to turn the network over to me.
613. 43:24We didn't seek it.
614. 43:25And so I just kind of casually said, well, see what's in it.
615. 43:29And nearly nine months later, we bought the station for half of what they had somebody
616. 43:35else wanting to buy it for.
617. 43:38And what it's doing, it's got a worldwide platform, and I could spend a lot of time talking about
618. 43:44it, but we're going to be able to expand in the U.S., which is what we were planning to
619. 43:49do with our own network, Gospel Truth Network.
620. 43:52We are going to be able to expand at about one-twelfth the cost of what it costs us to
621. 43:59go on these other things, because God TV's been around.
622. 44:02They got grandfather clauses, and one network that I was paying $200,000 a month for, we can
623. 44:08now get for $60,000 a year, $5,000 a month. That's the amount of money that we're saving. Plus,
624. 44:17it's already got all of the social media, the apps, and things that we were working towards,
625. 44:22but they're five to 10 years down the road. They've already got it. So it's going to allow us to just
626. 44:28leapfrog forward maybe 10 years and save a tremendous amount of money doing it. And I think
627. 44:34one of the biggest things that God's ever led us to.
628. 44:37Paul's prayer.
629. 44:38Praise God.
630. 44:39Praise God.
631. 44:41Folks, if you're just tuning in, Alex McFarland here, along with Mike Pickett, EVP of Caris
632. 44:46Bible College, and Andrew Womack, the founder and the president of AWM and Caris.
633. 44:52Guys, I'll throw this to both of you.
634. 44:56The war in Iran.
635. 44:59By the way, it started on a Saturday.
636. 45:03I was there Monday after it began.
637. 45:05This was several weeks ago.
638. 45:08There was a Keras student from Iran and I actually interviewed her for the radio.
639. 45:16She said to me, she said, one of the great untold stories, or how many thousands and
640. 45:20thousands of people in Iran are becoming born again Christians and leaving Islam.
641. 45:27many times they pay with their life.
642. 45:30But Andrew, let me ask you, the war in Iran, and we've seen the rise of anti-Semitism and
643. 45:39hatred of Israel, very sad.
644. 45:42What are the spiritual implications of what's going on in the Middle East and the world right
645. 45:47now, in your opinion?
646. 45:48Well, the control of Iran has been demonic.
647. 45:52It is nothing short of demonic.
648. 45:54And for 47 years they have been committed to the destruction of America.
649. 46:00Of course they had the hostages for 444 days, but they have been the major backer of terrorism
650. 46:08and instability in the Middle East.
651. 46:11And it is demonic and they have been trying to eradicate not just us but Christianity,
652. 46:17the Western culture.
653. 46:19And this should have been done 47 years ago.
654. 46:21I think President Trump has more guts than any president in my lifetime.
655. 46:26He's doing what's right regardless of what the results are.
656. 46:30Is he doing everything perfectly?
657. 46:32In hindsight, we may see that some things could have been done better.
658. 46:36But what he's doing is awesome.
659. 46:39I applaud him.
660. 46:40And I just had one of my major leaders from Uganda here, and
661. 46:44I asked him what he thought.
662. 46:47And I mean, he began to prophesy it.
663. 46:49He said, this is not only changing the U.S.,
664. 46:53this is resetting the world, the world order.
665. 46:57And I mean, things that just a year ago,
666. 47:00nobody would have thought possible.
667. 47:03It's happening now.
668. 47:04And I mean, Trump is literally re-aligning,
669. 47:07reshuffling the whole world order.
670. 47:10And I think it's ordained of God.
671. 47:12I love him.
672. 47:14I think he's the Winston Churchill of our times.
673. 47:17I mean, I really do.
674. 47:18I would think that it's even greater than that.
675. 47:21Now I think Winston Churchill, he was in a defensive posture,
676. 47:24and he preserved and kept Hitler from just taking over things,
677. 47:29but Trump is actually aggressive.
678. 47:32And I just think he's as best president and I are a lot better.
679. 47:35I think for years everyone,
680. 47:37that they have to do the right thing,
681. 47:38but President Trump's the only person to actually do the right thing.
682. 47:42Exactly.
683. 47:43I'm all poor.
684. 47:44uh... praise god
685. 47:45how important is it that christians vote in the mid-term elections
686. 47:50it's essential because if we lose the mid-term elections
687. 47:54and the democrats getting they've already said that they are going to impeach him
688. 47:58and you know like they did in his first term over and over they're going to do
689. 48:01everything to lay tactics
690. 48:03and uh... just in the last week they've actually said that they are going to do
691. 48:06things in vengeance in retaliation
692. 48:10and try and overturn
693. 48:12all of these things. And so Christians listening or watching this, they need to get out and vote,
694. 48:17and they need to influence other people. We need to be proactive. And Alex, I know that some people
695. 48:24think I'm extreme on this, but I don't understand how a person can call themselves a Christian
696. 48:30and vote Democratic. I know something that's terrible that I say that, but you read their platform,
697. 48:37everything they've got is 100% against the word of God.
698. 48:42And I just think that they...
699. 48:44I agree and I want to encourage people to begin to pray, maybe even fast and pray
700. 48:51for the midterm elections. I mean, we must.
701. 48:54Mike Pickett, EVP, Andrew Weimack, Founder.
702. 48:57Thanks for being with us. We've only got a few seconds.
703. 49:00Mike, give those websites again, please.
704. 49:02Again, those websites are www.awm.net or www.carisbiblecollege.org.
705. 49:09God bless you.
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