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Perry Atkinson, Founder and President of The Dove Television and Radio steps into “The Corner.”

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0:00 - 15:00. Isaiah 60:1-3. The LORD has ordained His Church to shine bright in the midst of abject darkness. 15:00 - 31:00. Perry Atkinson, Founder and President of The Dove Television and Radio steps into “The Corner.” 31:00 - 48:00. The LORD has appointed His Church for this moment. | Family Focus Weekend Feb 20-22, 2026 or call: 800-326-4543 To donate call : 877-616-2396

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0:02Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:04It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:08This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:12It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:17Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:20And the philosophies of this world.
0:22God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
0:25Even in this dark moment.
0:28Let's not miss our moment.
0:30And now the Hamilton Corner.
0:33Good evening, everyone.
0:37Welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
0:39My name is Abraham Hamilton the third.
0:41I am the host of the program.
0:43And we are, as you probably can hear and tell by the set,
0:48that we are wrapping up our time here at the National
0:52Religious Broadcasters Convention, 2026.
0:56What an amazing conference this has been, convention this has been,
1:00getting to hear some people.
1:02It was quite interesting last night,
1:03I had the privilege of hearing Shannon bring.
1:06And she shared a bit of her testimony.
1:08I personally was not aware of her testimony,
1:11but she shared a bit and she described herself
1:14as a Christian in media, which was an amazing thing to witness,
1:20just to hear a bit about that.
1:22We'll see, we have some conversations she may be coming
1:25on the show at some point.
1:26We'll see about that in the future.
1:28But at this very moment, many of you, if not most,
1:30of you are making your transition from your part time jobs where you generate an income
1:35to your full time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
1:38And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so with intentionality, understanding the
1:44primacy that God places on family, allowing his view to govern and God your view.
1:51And then we engage in our lives with the wisdom and the insight that the Lord provides for us.
2:00word truly is a lamp unto our feet and a light unto our past and we would be well served by
2:06taking heed to what our Lord says to us. So as you are making your transition, let me remind
2:12you as I do on a daily basis that what goes on in your house is far more important than
2:18what goes on in the White House. And again, the point of that expression is not to denigrate
2:24anything that transpires in the White House, not in the least bit, but simply to place a
2:27a fine and appropriate point on what goes on in your lives.
2:32Because you and I are primary, not primary, but we are responsible and accountable for what
2:38we do with our lives and the things that God has placed within our jurisdictions.
2:45And if we allow ourselves to be distracted, we allow ourselves to be lulled into a false
2:53sense of ease and we ease our way into a rebellion.
2:59And that might sound like it's strong,
3:01but it's appropriate.
3:02If we ease our way into a rebellion,
3:05we have to understand that we're gonna be accountable for that.
3:08So when I'm talking about easing our way into a rebellion,
3:11there's a reason why God gave us the warning He gave us
3:14in Deuteronomy chapter eight, for example,
3:17that you have the wilderness Israelized,
3:18the second generation,
3:20and the Lord warns them through Moses,
3:22Be careful once you've entered the Promised Land.
3:25Be careful once you've eaten and your tummets are full
3:29and your gold and your silver,
3:30you have it in its multiplying, your flocks and your herds,
3:33you have them and they're multiplying.
3:35Be careful then that you do not forget the Lord
3:39because God knows us better than we could ever dream
3:42of knowing ourselves and he knows how we can ease our way
3:46into a subtle, seemingly subtle station
3:52rebellion against him and in many ways that is what we're facing in our country
3:57currently. You know I had Todd Nettleton on not too long ago talking about
4:02persecuting Christians enduring kinetic overt hostile physical persecution but
4:07some of us fail to give appropriate measure to the challenges of being
4:14faithful to the Lord in the in a land of of relative plenty like I've been saying
4:18since we've been here in the United States of America you rarely have people who
4:22who have to ask themselves the question,
4:24if I am going to eat today.
4:26Usually Americans question is what am I going to eat today?
4:32That is a question that can only be presented
4:35within a context of luxury or abundance generally speaking.
4:40That's where the word of God we go.
4:41Isaiah chapter six is where I wanna go today.
4:44Isaiah chapter six, because I believe the Lord
4:47gives us clarity in his word,
4:49concerning the role that we should expect to play
4:51as is remnant within the context that he's deposited us in
4:56in this day in this time.
4:57So Isaiah chapter 60, Isaiah, did I say six?
5:00I mean, 60, Isaiah chapter 60, verses one through three.
5:04And this is what the Lord's word says.
5:06Arise, shine for your light has come.
5:11And the glory of the Lord has risen upon you.
5:16For behold, darkness will cover the earth
5:19and deep or thick darkness or gross darkness
5:23will cover the peoples,
5:25but the Lord will arise upon you
5:27and His glory will appear upon you.
5:30Nations will come to your light
5:33and kings to the brightness of your rising.
5:36Now, as we talk about this,
5:39and I've mentioned some of this before on this show,
5:41but the Lord is very intentional
5:43and conveying this to us to the Prophet Isaiah.
5:45When it says,
5:46"'Arise and shine for your light has come.'"
5:48This is an expression of what is already transpired.
5:51This is language that would apply to God's remnant,
5:54His covenant people, for your light has come
5:56and the devote of God, the glory of God, the splendor,
6:01the weightiness of God has risen upon you.
6:03This is remnant talk.
6:05This is body talk.
6:07Then the scripture says this,
6:08will behold, darkness will cover the earth.
6:11That is a generalized darkness.
6:14That is a product of a people rebelling against the Lord.
6:17But then he adds this.
6:18Deep darkness or thick darkness or gross darkness will cover the peoples
6:23This grosser thick darkness covering the peoples is indicative of the darkness that would that would prevail in the minds
6:31When there's a generalized darkness culturally there is a particular eyes darkness that deludes
6:39Mankind and causes man to begin to consider things that they never considered before you know things like a
6:45a two-year-old can determine whether or not they've been born into the wrong body.
6:49You know, earlier this week I talked about an elementary school teacher who has
6:53threatened determination at a charter school in Nashville, Tennessee,
6:58because they refused to read LGBTQ plus indoctrination books to six-year-olds.
7:06And the school thought that they were on solid ground by threatening this teacher
7:10determination.
7:11That's the kind of gross doctors we're talking about,
7:15where there is what the love of many have wax cold and there's a rejection of the idea that life is sacred.
7:23We should not be casual or cavalier with the way that we treat life.
7:27And I'm talking about life from conception onto natural exploration.
7:31But there is a casual and calloused treatment of life.
7:36This is indicative of the thick darkness or the gross darkness, you know,
7:41in addition to on the notion of sexuality,
7:45violations of God's laws and standards
7:48concerning homosexuality and transgenderism,
7:52there is a complete rejection of God's standards
7:55as it applies to heterosexual sexuality.
7:58You know, the prevalence of pornography,
8:00the prevalence of phonication and adultery,
8:03and those things being normalized,
8:05being normalized in our society,
8:06as if no big deal, guys,
8:08all of this is evidence of the thick darkness that the Lord warned us about through the prophet Isaiah.
8:15But that's not the end of the story because then the Lord goes on to say this, but the Lord will
8:21arise upon you. The Hebrew word therefore arises, Zarach. The Lord will Zarach upon you. It gives
8:28the indication of like a geyser that you have the the Lord bursting through the crusty surface, if you
8:38will with his presence. The Lord will break out upon you. He's talking about his people and his glory,
8:45the same glory that is already resting upon his people. Verse 3 goes on to say, and his glory will
8:51Raah is the word there. When it says will appear upon you. The Hebrew word Raah means literally that
8:59it shall be seen and perceived with revelatory insight. It's the type of sight that is not the
9:07the product solely of optical lenses.
9:09It's the exact same word that the Lord used when He says
9:12to Abram that I will show you your heritage.
9:15Abram knew very well what Canaan was.
9:17He knew what that land was.
9:19It's not as if people say he's going to land
9:20he never seen, no he knew what the land was,
9:23but he hadn't seen it with the revelation
9:25that this is the heritage that God has ordained for me.
9:28The Lord uses that exact same word to the prophet Isaiah
9:31to say that in this time where there's a generalized darkness
9:33over the people and a specified darkness in the minds of the masses of the people that
9:41his glory will arise upon his people.
9:44I'm sorry, that he will arise upon his people and his glory will be seen will be rah-ah.
9:52The result of that, the consequence of that is in verse 3, nations or the Hebrew word there
9:57is goi.
9:59Peoples will come to your light and kings to the brightness of your rising.
10:05This is why brothers and sisters, the body of Christ, we have to understand the call
10:08to be peculiar.
10:09That God has a divine ordinance and intrinsic to the call to be peculiar.
10:13That ordinance is to create that contrast between what is prominent and popular amongst
10:20the peoples that are not in the eternal arc of safety and what is prominent and prevalent
10:25in the people that are God's people.
10:27That this contrast is not really a contrast for the articulation of the sake of difference.
10:32It's not simply to say hey, this is how my people over here and everybody else is like this over there
10:36That is not the purpose the purpose is because say it this way ideas have consequences and bad ideas create casualties
10:45How often are we seeing even now when we're starting to even to see some litigation surrounding this or you have young people who?
10:51Unfortunately had been deceived into thinking wrongly about their identity and about their bodies and things of that nature
10:56And and you have this whole phenomenon developing of D
10:59He transitioned.
11:00Young people who are saying that, you know, when I was younger, they didn't understand
11:03this and I didn't have sufficient protection around me.
11:05They even had some medical professionals who manipulated my parents and saying that if I
11:09didn't have these mutilation surgeries and things of that nature, then that would result
11:13in some form of suicide and things of that nature.
11:15And so now you have lawsuits for like the most recent one in New York where during which
11:21to professionals, the surgeon and the psychologist were both sued and millions of dollars were
11:28the judgment. There are some 28 others of those cases that are filed all around the country.
11:33You're seeing that happening because ideas have consequences and bad ideas create casualties.
11:39The Lord wants to have this difference between his people, his remnant people, and the prevalence
11:43of the gross darkness surrounding his people to highlight their contrast, but also to show
11:49to the world, listen, just because that's what's prevalent, that doesn't have to be your preferred
11:55pursuit. It doesn't have to be. Just because that's the broad road. The broad
11:59road isn't the only road. Just because that's the way that's most familiar to you
12:04that is not the only option, the only thing available to you. And the Lord wants
12:08to make that appeal through His people as much as unfortunately out in our
12:14time people want to denigrate the reality of the Lord's Church. The Lord
12:17sent through His Word that His manifold wisdom will be put on display how through
12:23through his bride. The manifold wisdom of God would be made accessible and made prevalent
12:31through his church, that the church is what the Lord is ordained to be the pillar and ground
12:36of the truth. This is why guys, the enemy works overtime to blunt and to nullify the witness
12:43of the church in our societies. But this prophecy from Isaiah, centuries before Messiah's incarnation,
12:53gives an indication as to what we should expect and how it is to unfold.
12:59And that is what the contrast between the gross, sorry, the generalized darkness culturally
13:07and the gross darkness upon the mind to the people.
13:09Romans 1 gives us even more insight on what that looks like because man failed to retain God in
13:14knowledge. He became futile in his reasoning capacity. Intellectual functionings were blunted
13:20and diminished. Guys, this is not the feature merely of modernity. This is the product of
13:25spiritual decay. This is the product of what happens when people reject God. We become diminished
13:32in our capacities. And that is what's happening. But the Lord didn't want that to be the end
13:38of the story, which is why he ordained for himself abroad. I often reflect on Acts chapter 17.
13:47When the Lord said there, through the Apostle Paul, as he's making his appeal to the Athenians,
13:52We said the Lord before time determined the boundaries of our habitation and the times in which we would live.
13:59Think he's surprised that we're contented with the stuff we're contented with now.
14:03He's not surprised at all.
14:06But then he not only diagnoses the what he tells us to why.
14:09Then he determined the boundaries of our habitation.
14:12Also told us to win.
14:13And the times in which we would live for what purpose?
14:16So men would seek God.
14:19Then he adds this.
14:20grasp toward him to find him, even though he's not far from any one of us.
14:25This is what we should seek to be.
14:27So instead of kind of cultivating an escapist orientation,
14:30kind of a self-absorbed, self-central plea of Marinatha,
14:37let's take full advantage of the time that God has given us to be his hands and feet,
14:41to be something like, and that the love of our King is what compels us
14:45to love our neighbors as ourselves.
14:47And as my daddy's day playing basketball, and let's leave it all on the floor,
14:50Because guess what? After all this is said and done, we have eternity to expect.
14:54We have eternity to enjoy. So since we know heaven is our home, why don't we live like him?
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15:38Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
15:44Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton III here. I'm delighted to be on the
15:49program with a brother who I love and appreciate who I've had the privilege of being on his
15:55program numerous times and i think this is your first time on my program is it is
15:59is
15:59alright i'm speaking on other than perry at kinson who is the founder
16:03of the dove television is and radio and radio the dove television and radio
16:08that is
16:09that is home home bases in the pacific northwest where and met for door again
16:14beautiful downtown met for door and that for or again so let's start with this
16:17question
16:19what
16:20first i guess for those who may not be aware what is the dove television radio
16:24The Dove Television Radio is a network of 14 radio stations
16:28and 22 television stations,
16:32headquartered in Medford, Oregon.
16:35We're also on seven cable systems.
16:37We're live on Roku and Apple and streaming.
16:42And we've been there 43 years doing what God called us to do.
16:46And we've given birth to a lot of other ministries,
16:49a Bible college which now is fully accredited and going.
16:52So anyway, it's kind of like you, we never sleep.
16:55That's fantastic.
16:58Now what's the name of the Bible College?
16:59It's now called Pacific Bible College.
17:02It started as the Dove Bible Institute in 89.
17:05Wow.
17:06And today it's called the Pacific Bible College.
17:08And it is a full four year accredited Bible College.
17:11And liberal arts.
17:12That's amazing.
17:13Yeah.
17:13That's amazing.
17:14So what moved you?
17:15And I would imagine the dove started first with the television radio.
17:19and then the time was radio.
17:21Start with radio.
17:21Start with radio.
17:22In 83, I did something really crazy.
17:25I don't recommend this.
17:26But I sold my home and bought a daytime radio station.
17:31I had to go to the transmitter and turn it on in the morning,
17:34broadcast air of the day, run back,
17:36and turn the transmitter off at night.
17:38And that's how we started in 1983.
17:41I originally, before that, I was a traffic pilot
17:44for the radio television station in Sacramento.
17:47And I ended up managing the radio station
17:49that Rush Limbaugh got to start at.
17:51Wow.
17:52I didn't know that part.
17:53And then God called us to Southern Oregon.
17:55That's amazing.
17:56So what was it about broadcasting, radio first,
18:00and then television that the Lord drew you
18:04to kind of pursue his call for you in those areas?
18:08OK, when I was flying the plane for KCRA and K-F-B-K radio
18:13in Sacramento, I would fly the morning traffic.
18:17I'd land, I'd go to Bible school during the day,
18:20then I'd get back into plane at night and I flew to traffic.
18:23And then when I got out of Bible calls,
18:25I went to work for the radio station.
18:27And I just got the thinking how powerful media is.
18:31And I said, Lord, how can this be used for you?
18:35And in those days, contemporary Christian music
18:37was just coming on the scene.
18:40And some of these Bible teachers were just coming on the scene.
18:43And so by faith, we felt like God called us to go into Christian radio.
18:49We sold our home and went up.
18:51We knew nothing about what we were doing.
18:54And we started it, and I'm still alive.
18:59Now, I mean, you're more than alive.
19:01I mean, your station was awarded, I think this year, the station of the year by NRB.
19:06Right.
19:07Television station.
19:08Television station.
19:09That's amazing.
19:09Now you said you flew the traffic.
19:11What does it mean to fly the traffic?
19:12I was a pilot and in those days we had traffic,
19:16we had airplanes flying the traffic,
19:18reporting on the traffic on the freeway system.
19:20And so I did that five hours a day for nine years.
19:25Wow.
19:26And you said then you were confronted
19:27with the power of media.
19:29Right.
19:30How was that?
19:32How were you confronted with the potency of media
19:35at that stage that led you to be willing to even sell your house?
19:38Okay, the station I worked for was a news station
19:40And I thought, could Christians have a station where they could get the news and Bible without
19:47having to leave one resource to go to the other?
19:51And so we started with doing a morning news shift.
19:55I thought, why should Christians go to another station to get informed and get weather and
19:58then come back for Bible teaching?
20:00Why could they get it all on one?
20:01And that was our beginning format and that's the format we have today.
20:04That's amazing.
20:06Now we fast forward.
20:08You started in radio.
20:09Mm-hmm.
20:10And would you just share a bit with us about that journey
20:12and then how you ended up adding television
20:15to the Devs offerings?
20:16Well, we just started.
20:18We had this daytime, then we prayed,
20:20and we got a full-time license.
20:22We were able to go from just sunrise to sunset
20:25to 24 hours a day.
20:26Then we got another license to go to a 20,000 watt radio
20:33station.
20:34And then one day a pastor called me,
20:36and he said, I have this guy on my staff
20:39that has a permit to build an FM station,
20:42and we don't want them to build the station,
20:44we want to give it to you.
20:46So I said, okay, I looked at this,
20:47and the long story short, they gave it to us,
20:51I went out, got on the phone,
20:53a color engineering crew up in Seattle,
20:55and I said, what can we do with this?
20:56It was originally licensed for 10 watts.
21:0010 watts?
21:00You could barely get it outside
21:01the parking lot of the church.
21:03Yeah.
21:03Okay, when he got done with it,
21:05we found out that we could change it
21:07to a Class C1 FM 26,000.
21:12Wow.
21:13And we did that, and that launched our FM side of things.
21:16And so we did that for quite a few years.
21:18And all along, I thought, would we ever do TV?
21:21And I had a chance to get a TV license,
21:23and it fell through it.
21:24I thought, well, God didn't want us to have a TV license.
21:26And I kind of gave up on the dream.
21:29And literally, one day, I got a call from a friend of mine.
21:33In fact, I didn't know.
21:34I'm a friend of a became a friend.
21:36He said, I have a television license, do you want it?
21:39I said yes.
21:40And so long story short, we bought it from them,
21:43and we built a television station in 2005.
21:47That is absolutely remarkable.
21:51Now, your desire to have a presence in media for Christians,
21:57what drove that desire?
21:58That's the first part of the question.
22:00And secondarily, being in the Pacific Northwest,
22:03which is a unique portion of our country.
22:06How does that relate to God's call for you
22:08to really make a presence for the kingdom immediate?
22:11Well, it's been said the Pacific Northwest
22:14is the most un-Christian part of the United States.
22:17And if you know anything about California, Oregon,
22:19and Washington, they're three very, very, very liberal states.
22:25And so we felt called to be there and to do that.
22:30And that's what we've been doing.
22:31And so we've taken our format and we just slowly grew it up
22:34down the Pacific Northwest coastline and where we are today.
22:40Now that is absolutely remarkable. Are there any testimonies that you can share
22:46about what it's like representing the Lord in that portion of our country? Because
22:51like you said it is widely regarded as some of the least Christian portions of
22:56our country but I'm often reminded because we have listeners and viewers in that
23:00area of the country that their believer is there. And these are souls who our Lord cares about,
23:05so that the body of Christ should care about it as well.
23:07Right. Well, let me hear about them as well.
23:09Okay, so let me give you a scripture the Lord gave me about 10 years ago. It's found in Romans 10,
23:1620, and it says this, I was found by those who were not seeking me, and I manifested my love to those
23:24who did not ask. Now how does that happen? In media only God can match the content of a
23:31radio or television program with the person at the right time. When they weren't looking
23:37for God. He showed himself to them. They have the tune in. Now they say, I just have the
23:41tune in. What a coincidence. No, a coincidence is God's way of staying anonymous. Okay, we
23:46don't call them coincidences. We call them divine appointments. Amen. So often, almost
23:52weekly we hear from somebody said I just happened to tune in at this time and I heard
23:56this person and it changed my life. I think one of the most dramatic ones one day I got
24:00a call from a lady out of New York City she was listening to us online and she said are
24:07you Perry Atkinson I said yes she's well like I have to tell you something she said would
24:11you send me one of your devotions we print the word for you today devotional and I said
24:15she would be glad to and she said well you need to know something and I said what's that
24:19She said, I sat on the edge of my bed two weeks ago with a gun.
24:27And she said, I was going to commit suicide.
24:31And I said, well, what happened?
24:32She said, at the last minute, I turned my television station on.
24:36She said, or my TV said on.
24:39She said, to this day, I don't know.
24:40I have no idea.
24:42But your channel came up.
24:44And Anne Graham Lott was preaching.
24:47And she happened to preach right where I was.
24:51And I said, God, if you're real, show me that.
24:53And she gave her life to Christ.
24:56Then she calls back and she wants our devotion.
24:58And I said, well, be glad to see you.
25:00Well, would you mind sending me 30 of them?
25:03I said, no, I have no problem with that.
25:05What do you need them for?
25:05She says, my apartment is above a brothel in New York City.
25:12And I want to give one to every girl downstairs.
25:16Now, the only thing I can say for those of us in media,
25:19Unlike a pastor who stands in a pulpit and sees the reaction of his preaching, those of us
25:24from me, we have no idea who we're talking to.
25:27We have no idea what the thinking or feeling.
25:29And that's what that scripture comes in.
25:31When they weren't even asking for me, I manifested my love to them.
25:36You look it up, it's found in Isaiah and Romans 10 20.
25:39Amen.
25:40Wow.
25:41I'm a big gobsmack at what you're saying because I often say I can forget who's on other side.
25:50other side of the microphone because we're in the studio and we do these different things
25:53and as we get to travel, we get to meet people who tune in different things like that but
25:57here in the testimony like that, it's encouraging to me to continue pressing forward because each
26:02soul is pressed to the world.
26:03You just don't know who's listening and you don't know who's watching and you have to
26:07trust God to take it and they'll call it a coincidence.
26:10It's not that at all.
26:11It's a divine appointment and it's an interesting that God will match what you're talking about
26:16What's the person who needs that content at the right moment?
26:20Amen.
26:21And it's amazing.
26:22They may tune in halfway through your sermon,
26:24but it's the part of the sermon
26:25that God ordained for them to hear that changes their life.
26:29Amen.
26:29Before I get too far, how can people tune into the dove,
26:33both television and radio, and keep up with everything
26:36that you're doing there, based in Medford?
26:38Well, probably the best way is go to our website,
26:40because you can stream both radio and TV there at the dove.us.
26:44The dove.us.
26:46Okay, now in terms of programming for both,
26:48I guess I'll start with radio, then television.
26:50What type of programming should people expect to receive
26:53when they tune in to the dove on radio first?
26:55They don't tell the vision.
26:56Okay, so on both sides we do something very unique.
27:01Three hours every morning, six to nine live,
27:04we run two hours of news and one hour to talk
27:07on all the radio, on all the television,
27:10on all of the cable system and live streaming
27:14on Roku on Apple. We're on all those devices live for three hours every day. And we use
27:20news as a fishnet. We use news to get people to tune in and then we give them the gospel.
27:27Okay. And then our talk show, it's the part that you're on, you know, we have people like you
27:32and you're always great. I miss having you more often. I should call you at home.
27:35home. But anyway, and then we have some of the best national speakers throughout the
27:44day and other people that are on even some local programming, but primarily quality people
27:49that are giving the word that you can trust. You know, that you can trust.
27:53Which is a key component that you can trust. We saw, unfortunately, a spaked of people having
28:00public fairies and things of that nature. So having the ability to have people that we can trust is so
28:07vital. I have a heart when I was younger than I am now, my pastor back in my home time, my home church
28:14from Orleans, when he asked me that I said he got called him in the ministry of some sort and I said
28:18yes, I was assigned to what we call the season saints. The sick and the shut in, those who couldn't
28:23come out any longer. So I got to spend my earliest years in ministry visiting the older brothers and
28:29and sisters in our local church and bringing community things of that nature.
28:32So the Lord really gave me a heart for our older brothers and sisters and one of the things
28:36that happened through that, there was one brother in particular, the brother of France, that I'm
28:40supposed to be minister to him, he ministered to me every time.
28:43And it was nothing like having an older brother in the faith who's been through the throes
28:48of life.
28:49I mean, I would talk to him about how when things concerning Jim Crow, Louisiana changed
28:54and all of these other things and it was such a ministry that Lord is giving me a heart.
28:58of a faithful brothers over time.
28:59And I see you as another one of those faithful,
29:02a brother that I look to,
29:03who's been able to be consistent and faithful over time.
29:08And we need more of that because the trust,
29:12it takes a lifetime to build up,
29:13but it can be forfeited in a moment.
29:15And we're living at a time where we're seeing
29:17ministerial failure at a level that's unlike anything
29:21we've ever seen before.
29:22It's embarrassing, obviously.
29:24But at the same time, I think God is,
29:28Scripture says judgment starts in the house of the Lord first.
29:31I think the Lord is cleaning up some things,
29:33and we have to be strong enough to endure this.
29:36But to the point is, we make sure that the ministries
29:41that are on the dove are trustworthy,
29:43and that their gospel message is clear.
29:45It's not clouded with a lot of innu-windows and one-liners.
29:49It's the message of the gospel clear and simple.
29:53That's what we look.
29:54Amen. Amen.
29:56Have you faced any challenges with the work
29:59administered that you're doing there being in
30:01Medford, Oregon? I'm not familiar with Oregon as much as other
30:04other places in terms of local people coming against you,
30:07trying to stop what God is doing through your work.
30:09We've had a few, not a whole lot. We're, we're, we're well
30:13respected in the community. But when you're broadcast, again,
30:18you don't know who's listening or watching, and then you'll start
30:20to get pushed back. I will say this in the last year and a half,
30:23two years, we've had more pushback than we've had ever.
30:29And I think it's just a sign of the times in the culture.
30:33I'll say this that I have had some legitimate
30:36and significant threats.
30:39Okay, that's all I'll say because a lot of these things
30:42are being looked at.
30:44And when you look at it, basically,
30:47I think if you're gonna talk about God
30:50and what his word says about what's happening in the culture
30:53and the culture is trying to pass as normal,
30:55which is certainly not the case,
30:57you're gonna get pushed back.
30:58You're gonna upset a lot of people.
31:00And the question is, is the gospel message
31:04in the middle of all of your talk clear?
31:07Always wanna leave that hope in the message.
31:09Amen, amen.
31:10But we have about a minute before this segment ends,
31:13and I don't know if you have time to stick around
31:14for another one or not.
31:15Whatever you want, I'm here.
31:16Well, if you can stick around.
31:18Man, when I grow up, I wanna be like you.
31:19Well, that makes one of us.
31:21the
31:23of
31:26the last few seconds in this this segment we get on the other side of this break
31:29I want to ask you some questions as a pretense to what do you see happening in our nation some people
31:34possibly
31:34the one to break of
31:36of breakthrough some of the news there's you know and I want to ask where you fall in that
31:42of course you know I have my own opinions about all your news post and opinion of what I want to hear what you think about that
31:48I will just continue our conversation along those lines.
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33:20Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here, host of the program.
33:24My guest is our brother, Perry Atkinson, founder and president of the Dove Radio and Television,
33:30headquartered in Medford, Oregon, Pacific Northwest.
33:35Before we went to the break, I set up the question I wanted to ask you because we're living in
33:38precarious times.
33:40The world witnessed Charlie Kirk basically assassinated and martyred in front of all of
33:46our eyes.
33:47it. And some postulate that, hey, we are on the brink in our nation of a massive breakthrough.
33:54Others are doomsdayers that would say, no, we're too far gone. I wanted to ask you, Brother
33:58Perry, where do you think we are in terms of the witness of Christ and the Lord's will
34:02for our nation here in the United States of America?
34:05Well, let me say I'm very optimistic, okay, and I'm also very cautious. But I will say
34:12I say this that I believe from what I'm sensing and feeling in the interviews that I've done,
34:18Abe, and by the way, I've done 21,000 interviews over 47 years.
34:22So 21,000.
34:2331,000.
34:2431,000.
34:2521,000.
34:26But 21,000.
34:27Okay.
34:28So I have three a day.
34:29So, but here's the point.
34:31You learn a lot.
34:32You know, you've interviewed people.
34:33You learn a lot and you sense a lot and you feel a lot.
34:37I sense that there is a silent revival going on.
34:40Now let me explain that.
34:43In the past we've had movements of God across the country and they usually are around a
34:48certain denomination or a church or a group.
34:51Okay and that's fine.
34:53But this one isn't like that.
34:55It seems like God is moving in a way that no one gets to credit but him.
34:59Amen.
35:00Okay.
35:01Young people, especially young men, I've had George Warren on the show regular.
35:04In fact he's still on our show maybe a couple of times a month.
35:09In this movement of young men seeking an alternative to all the nonsense that the culture seems
35:15to be real.
35:17It seems to be real.
35:19Something is happening.
35:20They are drawn.
35:21The culture has lied to them, the young people.
35:25On the flip side, there seems that young women, female, seems to be going the other way while
35:30young men seem to be coming in.
35:32I don't know what that's about, but some of the statistics supports that.
35:35But here's the deal.
35:36I think there really is a seeking, a silent revival.
35:42There's so much gospel going out.
35:44God is using all forms of it.
35:46Your show, my show, look at this place.
35:49And people are responding.
35:51And so the only thing I can say is
35:53there seems to be something brewing.
35:56Now does it turn into a national revival?
35:58Does it turn into a great awakening?
36:00I don't know.
36:01But the darker things get,
36:03the greater the light is shining.
36:05And I sense that there is a hunger,
36:08unlike we've ever seen before.
36:10Here's the question.
36:12Do they really hear the gospel in this?
36:16If there's a concern, my concern is,
36:20is our message clear?
36:22Yeah.
36:23That's my concern.
36:25That should be the concern.
36:27And there are people who have said certain things
36:32said certain things and to your point about whether or not the gospel is clear, there are
36:38lots of things that muddy the clear presentation of the gospel. One of the things, and I hate
36:44to say this because I hate that it is true but it doesn't make it any less true, sometimes
36:50people muddy the gospel proclamation frankly with their own agendas.
36:55Yes, yes. And I think that at times that becomes clear. I don't know if people realize
37:02that Jesus isn't a Republican. Okay. And his message isn't politics. But what's
37:11happened in the world, and excuse me, especially the culture that we live in,
37:15everything spiritual in our life, everything that every tenant of our
37:20faith has been robbed by the culture and politicized in an attempt to keep us
37:28out of the argument. Yes. We need to understand that is a trick of the enemy and we need to
37:34go in there and claim that ground back and just claim it biblically. Yes. We don't have
37:39to get up and yell and scream. God didn't make 15 sexes. They only made two. That's right.
37:45It's clear. We have to be simple about it. And the Bible says, well, the truth is proclaimed.
37:49There is freedom. You know what? Even a non-believer knows when they hear the truth, they feel something
37:54different. And I think the other thing we need to be careful of, we're not the Holy Spirit.
38:02You know, we're to plow the soil, plant the seeds, water, harvest is up to Him.
38:08Okay, but the point is we try to do all of that in one sitting in radio television. Somebody will
38:16hear a little bit that you and I talked about today. That's the seed it'll begin to grow.
38:20You and I will never see the fruit of that until we get to heaven. We got to believe and
38:24trust God that he's doing that.
38:26Yeah, and I would add that and be not only just okay with that, but rejoice in that.
38:31Yeah, you know, rejoice in that not having a desire for self-aggrandizement or kind of to use
38:37the gospel as a cover for an effort to be self-aggrandiz, you know, to have some kind of personal
38:45gratification with that. What are some of the things that you perceive as some of the greatest threats to
38:51Having this clear proclamation of the gospel that I would have some of the rumblings you described as a silent revival
38:56To have those things to to burden into full-blown maturity
39:00Wow, that's a big question
39:04I'd say well, you know when I have you on you and I have had some very serious heavy discussions
39:10Yes, okay, but it's done in love. Yes
39:12They hear the spirit between you and I as brothers
39:15But they also hear the spirit between you and I as genuine people wanting people to be set free of whatever
39:22has them. But I would say today that it's so easily for us to be drug into the argument
39:29and to become angry. I'm angry at a lot of things, okay, but vengeance belongs for the
39:38Lord. And I think that we don't have to respond in anger. We just have to respond with clarity
39:46and let the rest take care of itself, you know. But I would say one of the things is
39:50that can they see a simple message in us?
39:54Can they see us that we're confident in what we believe
39:57because we know what we believe,
39:58because we know who we believe?
40:02But so many people are responding because they really,
40:04I wanna say this carefully to hope you get feedback
40:08or that's kind of what we're talking about.
40:10But, you know, people don't study the word.
40:16And so what they give for an answer is an opinion.
40:20It's not Bible.
40:21Yeah. You know, and unless you're in a daily Bible reading of some sort, you're going to
40:28come out with an opinion and that's where you're going to get him to trouble. That makes sense?
40:32No, it makes perfect sense. You know, one of the things that I experience is I travel a bit
40:38of speaking to different places that I find that there are people in this nation that are
40:44hungry for the truth. You know, a friend of mine is a pastor from Nigeria and he says to
40:50he always appreciates the United States of America because the United States has sent the most
40:56missionaries into the world of any nation in the history of the world, which is true, but he also said
41:01but the mission nation has become the mission field. And he says it would a bit of lament in grief in
41:08which, I mean, Ray Charles can see that he ain't lying, you know, we can see that that is the case.
41:14But much of the broad, natural, national perception is one thing about America kind of turning away from the Lord.
41:22But I'm, I know that is true, but I am confronted consistently with people who are hungering for the truth.
41:29Like for example, one of the most consistent questions I'm asked, as I travel, speaking different places, is,
41:33where can I find a good Bible teaching church? That's one of the most consistent questions I'm asked.
41:38Is that something that you've experienced?
41:39We get a lot of calls from people want to know what church I recommend.
41:44Well, that's a dangerous question for us to answer because there's so many out there, you know.
41:49But let me flip that and say we get probably 25-30 calls a week for help.
41:58Do you know what the number one and the number two question is from people who call for help?
42:02Number one is, is there really a God? And number two is heaven real.
42:09Now think about that. So what are we saying if they don't believe there really is a God?
42:16Are we just preaching opinions? So they're coming down to the basics of life. Is there
42:24really a God? Does he really love people? Do you think he can really love me? And is
42:31heaven real or is it just something in a book or is it just something in a postcard or
42:35in a holiday card is heaven real.
42:38So what that tells me is the world is so cluttered
42:41with so much junk that people are thinking about eternity.
42:46They realize that this is not it,
42:47they realize this is limited,
42:49they realize this will come to an end.
42:52And they're thinking eternally,
42:53are we there with the eternal answer?
42:56The Lord tells us in His Word in the book of Ecclesiastes
42:59that He said eternity in the hearts of men,
43:01but what few can know it.
43:02And so I see that we have two things really working in favor of the advancement of God's
43:07kingdom to the proclamation of the gospel and disciple making.
43:10And that is one that he has set eternity in the hearts of men.
43:14That is an inescapable reality.
43:16Mankind, people know deep down in the core of who they are that we're created for more
43:21than we can touch, tasty and feed.
43:23There's something that we're made for that is beyond our temporal senses.
43:28And then in addition to that, we have the unfortunate reality.
43:31I said this early, earlier, the unfortunate reality that ideas have consequences and bad
43:35ideas create casualties.
43:37There are people who have tried the forbidden fruit, so to speak, of all of the things that
43:41the world has to offer and that they still come up wanting, realizing when surely there has
43:46to be more than this.
43:47There's a reason why, in terms of suicide, unfortunately, that it happens far more frequently
43:51in our country than it does to people who are impoverished because of that reality.
43:58And you also mentioned that there's a palpable biblical illiteracy in our country.
44:03All those things kind of converge to lead to the kind of questions that you get.
44:09What needs to happen, brother Perry, in order for the body of Christ to be ready to answer
44:13that in our national context?
44:17This answer is too simple to believe.
44:20Okay.
44:22We lost it when we did away with Sunday school.
44:27George Barner will tell you, when the churches went to Bible teaching, which is not bad,
44:34but primarily Bible teaching, and then knows Sunday school, and then usually on Wednesday
44:42night it was turned into something else.
44:44When Sunday school was slowly removed from the American church, there went the catechism
44:51of the basics of our faith in the teaching of young people.
44:57They don't know what the Trinity is.
44:59They don't know what the Godhead is.
45:02They don't have any eternal perspective.
45:04They don't seek God as the Creator of all things in the Givron's sustainer of all life.
45:10Where are they going to get it?
45:11I mean, there's only so much you can get out of the book of Acts.
45:13They'll give you the wrong, it's a great book.
45:16But where they taught the fundamentals of the faith.
45:20And you mentioned, you said they lost it and you get into a place that's attuned that I
45:24I would say we forfeited it because when you search the scriptures and I talk about this
45:31a lot, who is it that the Lord commands to execute the catacizing and the discipling of
45:39the children going to the Christian families?
45:41It's the parents.
45:43So I see my brother sitting here that, and this is a whole other program, but when we
45:49suffered the broadside against God's design for marriage, the demonic plot was not only
45:56to disintegrate the Lord's institution, it also was a broadside attack against the primary
46:02institution that is the first institution that God created with the express assignment and
46:06delegated command to execute the discipleship and the catacizing of the generations of children,
46:13which is the family.
46:15So if you're able to destroy the Lord's institution, the only human institution that God established
46:20to illustrate his relationship with his bride, the church, which is marriage,
46:25use simultaneously, decimate the primary institution that God established to
46:31inculcate Christ following multi-generationalism. Okay, so you're absolutely right. So take this.
46:37We're now generation number four on the scene without Sunday school. So if you
46:43weren't taught that message, your children never would talk to their
46:47children, never would be taught the basics of their children.
46:50Now, if the parents weren't taught the fundamentals, how are they going to pick that up in their
46:56own home and teach it?
46:58If it's not a conviction.
46:59You know what I'm saying?
47:00Yes.
47:01It's so easy to point our fingers at ourselves, but we have to point the fingers at ourselves.
47:04Yes.
47:05Because the world is now white and ripe under harvest.
47:10And if we're just going to give them our opinion, that's not eternal.
47:14That's not eternal.
47:16We have gotten to where we are in our nation, and this is a sad, but true reality.
47:21disciple our way into it by a combination of affirmative action taken but also by
47:25negligent actions or refusing to implement what God has called us to and
47:30here's the other side of that there's only one way out repentance and
47:35discipling our way out is the only way out there's no other way there's not a
47:39quick fix there's not a overnight scheme there's only way but by God's grace by
47:44God's grace and this is what we must refuse to factor out of our calculus we
47:50We serve an omnipotent God.
47:53We serve an all-powerful God.
47:56It is inestible what can be done if the Lord's people were surrendered to Him in repentance,
48:04faith, with a resolve.
48:05Not just a commitment, a resolve to obey Him.
48:08Come with me.
48:09So, you need to take me on the road with you because I know how to spark the preaching
48:13you.
48:14Well, see, my wife told me don't take too much to get me started.
48:20So, brothers and sisters, thank you so much for tuning in to today's episode of The Hamilton
48:24Corner.
48:25My brother, Perry Atkinson, president and founder of the Dove Television Radio, it's been an honor
48:29to have you on the show.
48:30Thank you, brother.
48:31Love you, man.
48:43The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
48:48Family Association or American Family Radio.

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