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11. 0:33Welcome to the program.
12. 0:35Alex McFarland here.
13. 0:36Very honored to be sitting in on the Hamilton Corner
14. 0:39for attorney, pastor, broadcaster,
15. 0:41Abe Hamilton III.
16. 0:43And if you recognize my voice, it
17. 0:45might be from a show called Exploring the Word, which
18. 0:48is heard daily on the American Family Radio Network.
19. 0:51Now in its 15th year, to God be the glory.
20. 0:55But I'm very honored to be with you tonight.
21. 0:57We have a great show.
22. 0:57There's a lot going on in the news.
23. 1:00Not the least of which is news about allegedly the Obama administration and the Obama DOJ
24. 1:09was harnessed to craft and promote the hoax of the Russian collusion that Donald Trump
25. 1:18was using Russian operatives to try and prevail in the 2016 election.
26. 1:26We'll talk about that.
27. 1:27And what are the likely hoods of prosecution of past well-known leaders, even a past president,
28. 1:36perhaps facing charges over the Russian hoax and other things?
29. 1:43But we're going to have a couple of guests, both of whom are attorneys.
30. 1:47The first is a longtime friend and colleague, Richard Harris.
31. 1:51You've heard him on Truth in Liberty, which is just a growing show that God has used in
32. 1:56in so many ways.
33. 1:57He and I have taught together at Karis Bible College
34. 2:01and shared the stage at a couple of places around the nation,
35. 2:05like the Pray Vote Stand event with Tony Perkins in Washington.
36. 2:09But he's a trusted voice on legal and political matters
37. 2:13and a lot of other things as well.
38. 2:14But attorney Richard Harris,
39. 2:17welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
40. 2:21Hey, Alex, it's great to be with you.
41. 2:23Thanks for having me on.
42. 2:24Well, it's good to be with you.
43. 2:26You know, I know our time is limited and I want to dive into some headlines and issues,
44. 2:31but what's before we do, just tell us about your ministries and truth and liberty and
45. 2:37bring people up to speed on all that God is doing through your work.
46. 2:41Wow, well, absolutely, man, it's just we've got our plate is full here at Andrew Womack
47. 2:48Ministries, you know, it's amazing.
48. 2:49All the great things that God is doing.
49. 2:51You know, Truth in Liberty is the arm of Andrew Womack Ministries, Alex, you know this, that
50. 2:57is the cultural and political outreach arm.
51. 2:59So our mission is to unify and activate and mobilize the church to stand for truth in the
52. 3:05public square.
53. 3:06So we do that with our own twice a week program, which you host sometimes as well as me and others,
54. 3:13and we provide resources to the church via our website and through various forms of digital
55. 3:20media and engagement and collaborate with other organizations. You know, there's so many great
56. 3:25organizations out there. The problem we've got on the right is that the left hand doesn't know
57. 3:29what the right's doing. So many groups not working together and we aim to change that.
58. 3:34And so a lot of great things happening. Our conference is coming up September 11th through the
59. 3:3913th in Woodland Park and the annual Truth in Liberty conference and Charlie Kirk is going to be
60. 3:44one of our speakers, so we're very excited about that. Everybody can register to attend the free
61. 3:49event on our website at truth on liberty.net and it's going to be a great time.
62. 3:54Amen. I've got Charlie Kirk coming to Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, August 21 for a one-night
63. 4:02speech that he'll be bringing and he and I will be doing some Q&A with the audience. So,
64. 4:07So Charlie Kirk is a powerhouse.
65. 4:10In the 2024 election, they said that unprecedented numbers of young adults voted and voted Republican.
66. 4:20And Richard, I think Charlie Kirk was a big reason that a lot of young people have gotten
67. 4:27on the conservative political movement.
68. 4:32You know, I think that's absolutely right.
69. 4:34There's no question in my mind about that.
70. 4:37He's drawing crowds on college campuses that are just kind of mind-blowing.
71. 4:42College students lined up as far as the eye can see just to hear him number one, but some
72. 4:46of them to get a chance at the microphone.
73. 4:50He came out here last year in October and we had a thing called Freedom Night with Charlie
74. 4:55Kirk and it was some of the most highest online views that we've ever seen.
75. 5:01In fact, it had been the highest.
76. 5:03of the videos went viral and so yeah he's just I think he's called of God to do what
77. 5:09he's doing and it's part of the Great Awakening that's happening as he's God's using him to
78. 5:13open the minds of young people to the woke mind virus if you will to the truth you know
79. 5:20and other things so we're really thankful for him and his ministry.
80. 5:24You know I've got to say this and then we'll segue into some headlines but last summer
81. 5:29I had the great privilege of being at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee,
82. 5:35but what was going on, probably 250, 275 teenagers that were mostly the children of delegates to
83. 5:46the convention. Charlie Kirk and I spoke to them. And I knew who he was. I'd watched tons of his
84. 5:51videos that were largely political. But when we were, for a couple of days, I was teaching
85. 5:59biblical worldview to these teenagers. And again, most of the kids, their parents were
86. 6:04like delegates. But I heard Charlie Kirk in multiple, multiple sessions, teaching the Bible.
87. 6:11And I want to tell you, he is a deep, deep Christian thinker and a very godly man. And
88. 6:17just hearing what he was imparting to the teenagers, I mean, it was not at all political. It was
89. 6:23discipleship. I have so much respect for him and so folks if you're not completely
90. 6:29familiar with who Charlie Kirk is, if you're out west and you can go to Richard's event,
91. 6:34give us the dates of your, I've been, it's excellent folks. The Truth in Liberty Conference, when is
92. 6:40that again Richard? Yeah thanks Alex. It's September 11th through the 13th. We always have it as close
93. 6:47as we can to the 9-11 remembrance, you know, to 9-11. So September 11th through the 13th,
94. 6:55we'll have a live dramatic performance on Saturday morning. We are going to actually have Pastor
95. 7:00Lorenzo Sewell, who was the African American pastor that prayed at Donald Trump's inauguration.
96. 7:07He's going to be with us. And then also wanted to mention we're going to have the candidates
97. 7:13for governor for the state of Colorado are going to have a candidate form on Saturday afternoon.
98. 7:18I'll be speaking, Andrew Womack will be speaking. It's going to be a great time.
99. 7:21Andrew Womack Sure. Well, hey, I want to ask you something because even as we're speaking,
100. 7:27they're breaking headlines about Russia, gate, evidence, quote, directly points to Obama,
101. 7:34the DOJ that was kind of leveraged in ways that have quote criminal implications. First of all,
102. 7:45attorney Richard Harris, talk about when we hear this phrase, the weaponization of the
103. 7:50Department of Justice. Well, what does that actually mean? The weaponization of the DOJ, Richard,
104. 7:56help us weigh in on this.
105. 7:59Well, let me begin by saying that, you know, under our Republican small R, form of government,
106. 8:08the American system is built on a concept called the rule of law, Alex, you know this.
107. 8:14And the rule of law is the idea that the law exists separately from the people who are making the laws
108. 8:20and from the people who are enforcing the laws.
109. 8:23and that we have a loyalty to the law and a duty to enforce it and apply it impartially.
110. 8:31It applies without regard to a person's position, status, political party, wealth, name, religion,
111. 8:36any of these kinds of things because we are all equal under the law.
112. 8:40And what happens political corruption enters in and politicians are tempted to use the apparatus
113. 8:46of government for political purposes. In other words, specifically when it comes to law enforcement,
114. 8:51they apply the law in ways that are biased in order to advance their position or their
115. 8:58power.
116. 8:59And in the case of Joe Biden, in my opinion, it's probably the worst politicization of law
117. 9:05enforcement that this country has ever seen.
118. 9:08As he used the apparatus of federal law enforcement, the Justice Department, the FBI, and even
119. 9:13the intelligence agencies, he and Barack Obama both to pursue and punish political opponents,
120. 9:20I'm merrily Donald Trump, but also his supporters.
121. 9:24And that is a recipe for disaster.
122. 9:26A republic cannot exist under those conditions.
123. 9:32This is what banana republics are made of.
124. 9:34It's what tyrants do.
125. 9:36And it is a direct threat to democracy and a republican way
126. 9:41of government.
127. 9:42So really terrible what happened under the Biden
128. 9:45administration.
129. 9:47Yeah, and you know, and I don't want to deviate from that topic, but also just my heart has been
130. 9:53heavy in recent weeks about hearing about the just open accessibility of the auto pin that,
131. 10:02you know, you'll remember in the last months of Biden's administration, there are so many
132. 10:07executive orders and pardons. I mean, talking about the rule of law, pardons for past crimes and any
133. 10:16future possible crimes that may or may not be. I mean, is it even legally coherent to pardon
134. 10:25somebody for whatever they might or might not do in the future? I mean, that's...
135. 10:31Well, only liberal woke progressives could even think of such a thing. Alex, it's never
136. 10:41been done before. Clearly, it's not, I think you could say it was not within the intention
137. 10:46the founding fathers when they gave the president the power to pardon to pardon future offenses.
138. 10:52That's called a carte blanche to commit a crime. That's not a pardon. That's just insane.
139. 10:57I mean, we don't prosecute people for crimes that haven't been committed yet. How can we
140. 11:02pardon them for crimes which haven't been committed?
141. 11:04Thank you. Thank you.
142. 11:06Brilliant.
143. 11:07It's just insane.
144. 11:08But the other thing that issues always the unauthorized use of the auto pin. So, yeah,
145. 11:15I mean, do you think, will we ever know how many different people use the auto pin during
146. 11:22Biden's time in office?
147. 11:26Well we might get a pretty good sense of it, Alex.
148. 11:30Donald Trump has assigned a team to investigate that and they are reviewing according to the
149. 11:36administration, they're reviewing just about every record generated by the Biden administration
150. 11:42using the auto pin.
151. 11:44The Heritage Foundation has done a study and issued a memo on this.
152. 11:48This is what got the ball rolling where they're comparing different signatures.
153. 11:52You can tell when Joe Biden actually signed it, what we call a wet signature, and where
154. 11:57the auto pin was used.
155. 11:58And there's two different auto pin machines, I suppose, and we can even tell the difference
156. 12:01between the two.
157. 12:03Biden was questioned about this recently, and he basically conceded that these pardons
158. 12:10were issued without, he was not authorizing them on an individual basis. He claims that
159. 12:16he gave basic guidelines to his staff, oh people with this kind of offense, yeah let's
160. 12:23pardon them. And then it was executed without him actually signing the pardons. And so there
161. 12:31are instances where the presidents have used the auto pen for lots of different things over
162. 12:37many decades now. It's actually an old technology. But many times it's for ceremonial functions,
163. 12:45or a commendation, or this sort of thing. When it comes to an actual executive order, or a pardon,
164. 12:50or an official act of the President of the United States that has legal consequences,
165. 12:55though, I'm not sure how much precedent there is for the use of the auto pen. And when it's used,
166. 13:01if this were not the President of the United States, if it were just say a court of law or
167. 13:04or something like that.
168. 13:06We lawyers, if I was going into court
169. 13:08with a machine signed document,
170. 13:11I would have to show some kind of paper trail
171. 13:14demonstrating that the person purporting to sign it
172. 13:17actually in fact gave his consent and instructions
173. 13:20to the person who pushed the button and made it sign.
174. 13:23It's like if you've ever used an e-signature thing,
175. 13:25docu-sign or one of these platforms online,
176. 13:28you have to authorize it.
177. 13:30It's not valid if someone does it without your knowledge
178. 13:33or without your direct instructions,
179. 13:35and that's what we're facing.
180. 13:36At the highest level of our government,
181. 13:38it's absolutely amazing what's happened.
182. 13:40Have you heard about the Biden Act?
183. 13:43There's legislation coming down the pipe.
184. 13:45It's called the Biden Act,
185. 13:47which would really rein in and put some heavy protocols
186. 13:51and parameters around the use of an auto pin.
187. 13:56I had not heard that.
188. 13:58That's probably a good idea though.
189. 14:01Yeah, what a legacy.
190. 14:02I mean, a former president that something
191. 14:04to ostensibly curtail abuse and dishonesty, the Biden Act,
192. 14:10I mean, that's things that are really malfeasance
193. 14:16are the legacy to which his name will be attached.
194. 14:20Yeah, it's a shame, isn't it?
195. 14:22Yeah, it is.
196. 14:23Richard Harris, attorney, the face and the voice of truth
197. 14:27and liberty, a longtime friend and colleague,
198. 14:30Can you stay with us for part of the next segment there, Richard?
199. 14:33Sure, absolutely.
200. 14:35Thank you.
201. 14:36Alex McFarland here, the Hamilton Corner on the American Family Radio Network.
202. 14:40We're going to come back and talk about how likely might it be that Obama would actually
203. 14:46face charges for things done during his time in office.
204. 14:51This is the American Family Radio Network.
205. 14:53A brief break.
206. 14:54Stay tuned.
207. 14:55We'll be right back after this.
208. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
209. 15:05The Gospel of Matthew, chapter 28,
210. 15:06starting in verse 18, it tells us these words,
211. 15:09and Jesus came and spoke to them saying,
212. 15:11all authority has been given to me in heaven and on earth.
213. 15:15Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations,
214. 15:17baptizing them in the name of the Father
215. 15:19and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
216. 15:22Teaching them to observe all things
217. 15:23that I've commanded you and lo, I'm with you always,
218. 15:26even to the end of the age, amen.
219. 15:29That contains what we call the Great Commission.
220. 15:32God calls us to be a disciple and to make disciples.
221. 15:36And that's a command God lays before us each and every day.
222. 15:39Every day is a day for us to follow Jesus Christ
223. 15:42and to be involved in the work of helping
224. 15:44and teaching and encouraging others
225. 15:45to follow Jesus Christ as well.
226. 15:48Ask someone how you can pray for them.
227. 15:50Encourage someone to read three chapters
228. 15:53in the Bible every day.
229. 15:54Pray for God to help you to both be a faithful disciple
230. 15:57and to make disciples as well.
231. 16:06Shining light into the darkness. This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio
232. 16:12Welcome back to the program. We're continuing our conversation with attorney pastor broadcaster Richard Harris and
233. 16:20Later on in the show we're going to speak with attorney Jason Sullivan of the gateway pundits
234. 16:25So stay tuned but right now Richard Harris
235. 16:29You know it seems I'm just gonna say this and and it won't be smoother
236. 16:35they're elegant, but it seems like a lot of the people on the left are impervious to prosecution
237. 16:44for crimes that they are alleged to have committed.
238. 16:49I think about the Clintons.
239. 16:50I think about the Clintons.
240. 16:53I mean, for all the decades that America has known about Bill and Hillary Clinton, there
241. 16:59have been insinuation of crimes and Hillary Clinton when she was Secretary of State.
242. 17:04At one point was said to have had a housekeeper go out and make copies of classified documents.
243. 17:12I mean, there's a hard drive that was taken out of White House premises.
244. 17:20So it was the security of which was compromised.
245. 17:23And then I think about Nancy Pelosi that she and her husband were accused of routinely
246. 17:30doing insider trading that gave them many millions of dollars and then she would legislate
247. 17:39based on what was good for her own stock portfolio, just things like this.
248. 17:44Today the idea that because of the Russia gate hoax, former President Obama might face charges.
249. 17:57I guess my question would be, what is the likelihood that actual crimes were committed
250. 18:06and are actually chargeable and prosecutable? Because it seems like those on the left never,
251. 18:13ever have a day of reckoning. It does feel that way, doesn't it? You know, there are times when we
252. 18:21see politicians prosecuted, you know, there was Senator Bob Menendez in New Jersey who's been
253. 18:27convicted now and you might remember the Rob Blavoyevich or however you say
254. 18:34I remember yes yeah governor of Illinois I think it was and so a logo they called
255. 18:40them yeah and and at times we do see this happen but it's probably not often
256. 18:46enough that we that we see this now at the various very highest level of
257. 18:51government, the president, you know, I think we have historically, as a nation, been very
258. 18:58hesitant to go there.
259. 19:01And I think it's a pretty good reason.
260. 19:03And the reason is that you don't want an incoming president turning and prosecuting the outgoing
261. 19:10president because, again, back to this banana republic thing, the appearance of that you're
262. 19:15You're doing it for political reasons to eliminate a political opponent, to silence the opposition.
263. 19:22This just feels like things that undemocratic, non-free nations do.
264. 19:28You remember when Trump was running in 2016 and he had the famous line during the debate
265. 19:33with Hillary Clinton where he said, you know, you'll be in jail.
266. 19:38And then he won the election and nothing ever happened over the server where she had 30,000
267. 19:45emails and I think a lot of conservatives really were disappointed in that.
268. 19:49We thought that he might do something, but I said, and I don't know why he didn't, but
269. 19:52I suspect it was in part because we don't want the appearance of the politicization of law
270. 19:58enforcement, so we're going to let it slide.
271. 20:01It could also be that when it comes to actions of a political officer in the course and scope
272. 20:09of their performance of their duties, they have levels of immunity from personal liability
273. 20:17for these things, even though it may be a breach of standards, is it a crime for them if they
274. 20:22didn't profit, you know, personally from it and so on. So we have to look at each case
275. 20:27on its own. In the Barack Obama situation, this is absolutely, I think, a bombshell,
276. 20:33happen with Tulsi Gabbard referring the matter over for criminal charges.
277. 20:38And I believe it should happen, but I'm going to hedge my bet a little bit, Alex, because
278. 20:47taking on the former very popular president of the United States in a criminal prosecution
279. 20:52has a real chance of tearing the nation apart.
280. 20:54We're already divided enough, and it would be just an incredible thing to happen if Barack
281. 21:00Obama were put on trial. I have no doubt that he did it. I have no doubt that he
282. 21:06acted improperly and illegally. I think it might be hard to make the charges
283. 21:12stick honestly though because he is so adept and skillful at hiding his actions
284. 21:17and having underlings do it. But somebody needs to pay the price for that
285. 21:22because it was just the worst possible thing that you could do and we need to
286. 21:28draw a line in the sand and say we're not going to tolerate this as a country. So I do hope something happens from it.
287. 21:33I just don't look forward to the process. Yeah, and and I'm with you that it would be
288. 21:40Incredibly divisive, wouldn't it? Yes, it would. Yeah, I think especially for black Americans many black Americans
289. 21:48Yes
290. 21:49Really looked up to Obama as a hero and so forth and that this would be a white president going after the black only black president in the United States
291. 21:57It'll be politicized and I have a hard time imagining Donald Trump winning that PR War.
292. 22:05I honestly do.
293. 22:06You're right.
294. 22:07I know Time Fleet's way and I want to thank you for being with us briefly.
295. 22:15On a good note, last week it was announced in the news that the IRS has new protocols
296. 22:25that would enable ministers, churches, and ministries to, yes, endorse political candidates.
297. 22:33So I guess I have a twofold question.
298. 22:35Is this the good news that we think it is?
299. 22:37Because it surely sounds good.
300. 22:39And is this effectively a rescinding of the 1954 Johnson Amendment?
301. 22:48That is a big question.
302. 22:51It is a big development, a very important development.
303. 22:53IRS has basically announced an interpretation of the Johnson Amendment that has not ever
304. 22:59been on the books before, where they said that we do not believe the Johnson Amendment prohibits
305. 23:06churches that our 501c3 organizations does not prohibit them from endorsing candidates or opposing
306. 23:14candidates for public office. So they're carving out an exception to the Johnson Amendment for churches.
307. 23:21There is language in the announcement. It's a settlement really. It's a motion for a consent
308. 23:26decree in a court case. And there's language in there that limits it. It has to be through
309. 23:31traditional means of communication and it has to be for good faith purposes and directed to
310. 23:37the flock, directed to the members of the church in a general sense, I think.
311. 23:43So we don't know what all those limitations mean in a practical sense. That's going to have to be
312. 23:47flushed out. But what we do know is that pastors no longer have to be afraid of the church losing
313. 23:54its 501c3 status if they stand up and preach a strong sermon on politics. And they can talk
314. 23:59about anything they want. It's full game now for pastors to endorse, to oppose, to talk
315. 24:06about any issue whatsoever, to talk about any legislation, to really get down in there and
316. 24:12help the church understand biblical values as it applies to political issues and candidates.
317. 24:18So as I like to say now, pastors, you have no more excuse. You've got to go for it. You've
318. 24:22got to stand up and speak the truth with boldness. Amen. Amen. Well, Richard Harris, we certainly
319. 24:28appreciate you. You are the personification of that and give the website for truth and liberty
320. 24:34if you would. Sure, brother. It's truthandliberty.net. Truthandliberty.net. We'll listen. Let's
321. 24:42converse again very soon in the meantime Godspeed my friend.
322. 24:46All right we'll do see you soon Alex. Dido dido. Alex McFarland here and we're going to segue and
323. 24:52visit with attorney Jason Sullivan. I do want to remind everybody that we have Charlie Kirk coming
324. 24:59August 21 to Myrtle Beach just one of the great resorts in America so there's a lot to do here
325. 25:05But August 21, it's a Thursday night. There will be open forum Q&A. I'll be there
326. 25:12and Charlie Kirk is our guest. The website is AlexMcFarland.com slash
327. 25:18conversations. It's part of our speaker series conversations that matter. So
328. 25:23please check it out and come if you can. But right now I want to bring to the
329. 25:29microphone Jason Sullivan. He's a contributor at large for the Gateway
330. 25:33pundit and he is the publisher and the founder of Unleashed News and he is just a great voice
331. 25:41and I want to, a lot of topics that I want to pick his brain about but Jason Sullivan,
332. 25:48thank you for holding and welcome to the American Family Radio Network.
333. 25:52Alex, what a pleasure to be on the American Family Network. You know, this is a great
334. 25:58honor for me and I was glad that Jackie was able to put us together.
335. 26:02Indeed, indeed.
336. 26:04Hey, I want to, there's so many headlines and issues
337. 26:07that I want your opinion on, but tell us about the work
338. 26:12that you do and where we can find you online.
339. 26:16That's wonderful, I appreciate that.
340. 26:17And I do have to give you full disclosure.
341. 26:18I believe that you announced me as an attorney.
342. 26:21I am not an attorney, however I did stay in Holiday Inn.
343. 26:24Ah, ah, ah, okay.
344. 26:27I'm sorry, I must have gotten that wrong in the emails,
345. 26:31but welcome.
346. 26:32All good, all good.
347. 26:33I do work for an attorney.
348. 26:35I work for a Trump attorney.
349. 26:37I work for a Trump attorney that is known, President Trump,
350. 26:41and they've been friends since age 14
351. 26:44when they were roommates together in military high school.
352. 26:47So Peter Tickton, I work at the Tickton Law Group
353. 26:50as the chief investigator for Peter Tickton,
354. 26:52who I would dare to say is the chief civilian
355. 26:56to watch your back guy for President Trump.
356. 26:59And so I have the great privilege and the honor
357. 27:02to investigate multiple different cases.
358. 27:04I was initially brought on board by the Trump legal team
359. 27:07via Peter Tickton to help investigate
360. 27:10what truly happened on January 6th.
361. 27:13And we had a lot of Eureka's throughout that process,
362. 27:17of course.
363. 27:18Later on, I was engaged by Lara Logan.
364. 27:21If you know Lara Logan, she's a world renowned fearless
365. 27:26reporter and journalist that has been behind enemy lines,
366. 27:28literally with bullets whizzing past her head.
367. 27:32I also helped her investigate January 6 as well.
368. 27:35So that's kind of how I got involved with Peter Tickton
369. 27:37and Lara at the beginning.
370. 27:40I go through open source intelligence back all the way back
371. 27:46to 2014 when I started using that, our techniques,
372. 27:50to help in federal level in elections.
373. 27:56I cut my teeth providing information for a candidate who was running against Senator
374. 28:00Al Franken and we exposed and kind of opened up Pandora's box on him and he's no longer
375. 28:06in office.
376. 28:07So that's how we cut our teeth.
377. 28:08I cut my teeth.
378. 28:09I really appreciate the work you're doing.
379. 28:12Forgive me for interrupting there, Jason, but I so appreciate the work you're doing because
380. 28:17really, and this is an understatement, the last 25, 30 years in American politics,
381. 28:26Left versus right, it has taken this kind of reconnaissance, intelligence strategy,
382. 28:37because it's not just simply true versus false. I mean, the Left has become so engaged in malice
383. 28:45and subterfuge to bring down their ideological opponents. I mean, it sounds like the Cold War
384. 28:53all over again within the USA, doesn't it?
385. 28:57Alex, we are indeed in a real live information war.
386. 29:01I mean, that's the war that we are in. You might want to call it World War III.
387. 29:05We are in a war. There is no question about that.
388. 29:09And what really got me involved in to the level
389. 29:14and the depth where I currently
390. 29:18is along the way, you know, building
391. 29:22Real-time social media intelligence tools that we were able to exploit online networks,
392. 29:27including Twitter when it was Twitter, and being able to read real-time actionable insights
393. 29:33to determine who was on first, what was on second, good, better, ugly, friend or foe,
394. 29:38which fights we need to be in now, which ones are the ones that actually matter, who are
395. 29:42the key influencers that are responsible for driving the narrative on either side, who
396. 29:47are the individuals that we want to recruit to help us amplify our messages on behalf of
397. 29:51President Trump, who became President Trump in 2016. That's where I got involved behind the scenes
398. 29:56in a 2016 campaign as well. I got to play a small role there. But we tipped the needle. And bottom
399. 30:05obvious, over the years, you start to identify as you're looking at, it's almost like the matrix,
400. 30:10right? You're looking at all these codes coming down and the streams coming down. And these are
401. 30:14the people that are responsible for driving this. And you start to identify their networks. And
402. 30:19these are the people that they're coordinating with and this is the verbiage that they're using
403. 30:24basically cut and paste so you can tag all of them together, you know who's working together and
404. 30:28you start to quickly identify information operations and this is something I didn't even realize existed
405. 30:34when I was green, okay? And so you know especially you know during the 2016 campaign I started
406. 30:43identify information operations and then that gave me the experience that I needed to be engaged by
407. 30:48the Tiktun Law Group, you know, President Trump's legal team via Peter Tiktun, to identify information
408. 30:55operations that took place on January 6. And there were information operations that were taking place
409. 31:02on January 6, people that were responsible for driving a narrative intentionally, systematically,
410. 31:08strategically, to pin a narrative, a false narrative on President Trump that he was
411. 31:14colluding to overthrow his own government.
412. 31:17You know, let me jump in here for a second.
413. 31:20And this is so important, folks, and we've got a brief break.
414. 31:24But folks, we're talking with Jason Sullivan.
415. 31:26And Jason, January 6, the narrative crafted and hammered
416. 31:32ad infinitum is just some of the mantras of the left,
417. 31:37like, health care is a right.
418. 31:39You know, climate action is essential.
419. 31:42And one of the narratives has been our democracy is at risk, an existential threat to our democracy.
420. 31:50First of all, we're not a democracy people. We're a Judeo-Christian representative republic.
421. 31:56We're a Judeo-Christian constitutional representative republic. But Jason Sullivan, when we come back,
422. 32:04let's talk about the January 6 narrative and some of the mantras that the left just repeats
423. 32:12over and over. Before we take a brief break, give us your website or websites to which you would
424. 32:19refer us. I really appreciate that, Alex. You know, I am a contributor at large for the Gateway
425. 32:24Punnet. It is arguably the nation's largest grassroots conservative organization or publication.
426. 32:32So the gatewaypunnet.com, you can type my name in there under the search and you'll find a lot of
427. 32:36of my articles and also I'm the founder of Unleash.News,
428. 32:41which is Unleash.News instead of.com.
429. 32:44Sure.
430. 32:45And I work there.
431. 32:46Oh, thanks very much.
432. 32:47Hold that thought.
433. 32:48Jason Sullivan and more on this edition of The Hamilton
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458. 34:14Welcome back to the program,
459. 34:17Alex McFarlane here, interviewing people, meeting researchers and subject matter experts.
460. 34:24Every now and then you meet somebody and you are just so grateful and you just want to
461. 34:28listen to them because you learn.
462. 34:31And Jason Sullivan is one such person.
463. 34:34He's a high level open source intelligence forensic data specialist.
464. 34:40He's a guy who knows what's going on really.
465. 34:43And I want to say Mr. Sullivan, thanks for being with us on the American Family Radio Network.
466. 34:47But really, thank you for using your skills to help preserve our constitutional republic.
467. 34:58That's what you're doing.
468. 34:59I look at you as a protector of America, the constitutional republic.
469. 35:05And I thank you.
470. 35:06God bless you.
471. 35:08I like to say that.
472. 35:09That's very kind of you to say that.
473. 35:12I'm just a humble servant here, trying to do a little job.
474. 35:17We all try to pay attention from time to time.
475. 35:20We have to.
476. 35:20We have to pay attention to what the big man upstairs is asking
477. 35:24us to do.
478. 35:25And I choose to walk through that door when he calls.
479. 35:30Amen.
480. 35:30Before the break, I was talking about, OK, the left.
481. 35:34And certainly, the left has the traditional media
482. 35:38like CNN in their pocket, the talking heads like Stephen Colbert have been just these evangelists
483. 35:49for the woke left.
484. 35:50And there have been these mantras like, healthcare is a human right.
485. 35:55AOC said, access to Wi-Fi is quote a human right.
486. 36:01And then of course, January 6th, January 6th, Trump was accused of trying to have an insurrection
487. 36:10against US government.
488. 36:11Let's talk a little bit about this, these narratives.
489. 36:15And if you would comment on really what should the history books say about January 6th, 2021?
490. 36:23Well, history, as you know, is written by those who win.
491. 36:31And the opposition made one mistake.
492. 36:33Okay. They lost the election. Okay. So that means, and I have to give credit to Peter
493. 36:41Tickton for that quote, my friend, my mentor, my boss, President Trump's local counsel in
494. 36:48the state of Florida, and his friend for many, many years. But that is the mistake that they
495. 36:53made. And so that means that now the people that were harmed, the people that they stole
496. 37:00the elections from are now in charge of the Department of Justice. And that means that those
497. 37:07individuals, those people, President Trump's administration gets to look into everything.
498. 37:15And that means that we get to find everything. And the truth does out, you know, that's a famous
499. 37:22thing, the truth out, the truth will out. I think it was Rush Limbaugh that used to say that.
500. 37:26I've had the great privilege of becoming friends with his sidekick, Bo Snurdly, James
501. 37:34Golden.
502. 37:35Oh really?
503. 37:36Oh my goodness.
504. 37:37Wonderful guy.
505. 37:38How is Bo Snurdly doing?
506. 37:41Bo is awesome.
507. 37:43As always and very cool.
508. 37:46Well please, hey, I got to say this folks, I'm going all like a fan here.
509. 37:51I remember, I well remember when Rush Limbaugh first came on, I don't know, maybe 89 or 90.
510. 37:58And he wrote this book, folks, you really, to get up to speed, go back and find Rush's
511. 38:03book.
512. 38:06The title of it was, the first one was, The Way Things, Odd to Be.
513. 38:13That was the title of Rush's first book.
514. 38:16And listen, Jason, I don't mean to interrupt.
515. 38:18I remember when that book released, the way things ought to be, I was in graduate school,
516. 38:25there was a bookstore, Amazon.com was not around in 1990.
517. 38:30And there was a line of probably 200 people waiting at like 10 a.m. when the bookstore was
518. 38:38going to open to get a copy of Rush Limbaugh's book, the way things ought to be.
519. 38:43And if that book didn't infuriate the left enough, then there was a sequel called See
520. 38:50I Told You So.
521. 38:53And I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh, and he should not be forgotten, and his call
522. 39:00screener and also contributor, Bo Snurley.
523. 39:04I'm amazed that you know him and please convey our love and regards to this great patriot,
524. 39:11Bo Snurley.
525. 39:12I will definitely do that.
526. 39:14God's good time and chance.
527. 39:16You know, sometimes I just find myself meeting some of the most incredible people.
528. 39:20Did you ever meet Rush?
529. 39:22No, unfortunately I didn't have that opportunity.
530. 39:26But I used to listen to him on the radio when I was a kid.
531. 39:29I used to detail cars for the radio stations and the TV stations when I was a kid.
532. 39:34And I had the radio on what we were working on the car so I'd always hear his shows.
533. 39:39That's how I first was exposed to him very good.
534. 39:42and very beginning of those days.
535. 39:45Exactly.
536. 39:46Well, tell us about J6.
537. 39:48What should the history books say about January 6?
538. 39:52Good track.
539. 39:54What it should say, what it will say, because we're the winners, okay, will be the truth.
540. 40:05And the truth is January 6 was a setup.
541. 40:09And everybody in their heart of hearts, at least on our side and the conservative side
542. 40:14of things and people that have analytical way of thinking, the contemplate, the digest,
543. 40:23the gnaw on facts have known in our heart of hearts that there was something wrong here.
544. 40:31That doesn't even begin to describe it.
545. 40:34January 6 was intended to be the nail in the coffin for President Trump so that he could
546. 40:39never ever run for office ever again.
547. 40:43That was the intent of January 6 because they already stole the election.
548. 40:49And we do know for fact that they stole the election.
549. 40:51That's all coming out.
550. 40:52Look what Tulsi Gabbard has just recently come out with.
551. 40:55She's giving...
552. 40:56These are things that we already knew.
553. 40:58We've known this the entire time.
554. 41:00However, it takes time to investigate things.
555. 41:03It takes time to dig and to call and to read through information and to analyze information.
556. 41:11Beyond just information you were talking, you know, I mean we ran facial recognition
557. 41:16You know there's teams of people that ran facial recognition on every individual that was in Washington DC on January 6th
558. 41:23And then around you know the capital and all of the you know
559. 41:26All the the video hasn't yet still to this day been released regarding the closed circuit television
560. 41:31Which is completely wired around the capital for some reason they they don't want to release all of that
561. 41:35We know why
562. 41:37But there's a little thing called mobile devices
563. 41:40Now everybody can become a citizen journalist.
564. 41:44And there were mobile devices from thousands and thousands of vantage points from every
565. 41:48vantage point you can possibly imagine on January 6.
566. 41:51And when you start tying all those images and videos and comments and actionable insights
567. 41:56and information and you start connecting dots and then you start going further in and you
568. 42:01start accessing body cam footage from Metropolitan DC Metropolitan Police Officers Body Camps.
569. 42:08and you start accessing police footage from body cams
570. 42:12from the Capitol Police departments.
571. 42:14And you start correlating all of these videos
572. 42:17from all these different angles, including body cam footage.
573. 42:20And you start to see an entire whole picture.
574. 42:24There's no question that up.
575. 42:26Okay. And we exposed through our investigations
576. 42:31with the Tick-Tick-N-Law group
577. 42:32under the direct direction of the President of the United States.
578. 42:36Peter Tick-N-Wizz tapped personally
579. 42:38by President Trump to run and spearhead the parallel investigation into what really happened
580. 42:44on January 6th.
581. 42:46And I had the great privilege of being that chief investigator by Peter's side.
582. 42:50So there is a tremendous amount of information that was uncovered, that was still be exposed
583. 42:56as we hit the right timing along the way, timing everything sometimes.
584. 43:04And then also, Larry Logan, I have to, you know, hats off to Larry Logan.
585. 43:07I've never seen anybody with the drive and the commitment
586. 43:10and just pure perseverance and absolute void of fear.
587. 43:18She did a tremendous job on her show, on her series,
588. 43:22the rest of the story.
589. 43:23And yours truly was also her chief investigator
590. 43:25for about five of those episodes,
591. 43:27all of them in which were revolved
592. 43:29around the January 6 case.
593. 43:30So you've got a lot of confidential human sources
594. 43:34that were there and we've exposed quite a few of them.
595. 43:37name them out at their names. Okay. And we also have undercover police officers from the
596. 43:42Metropolitan Police Department that were there running undercover operations. And we got their
597. 43:47body cam footage and we discovered what they were doing. And they were literally, we have
598. 43:53incidences where these officers are literally pushing, physically pushing, ordering forcefully
599. 44:00and nudging and encouraging people to go up and into the Capitol.
600. 44:04Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I have talked to people, Jason, in my travels as a speaker,
601. 44:10listen in at least three or four states, I have met people. And this is so wild in America. Check
602. 44:18this out. All right. People telling me things that they happen to be in Washington the morning
603. 44:25of January 6th, they were out taking a walk and uniformed officers were urging them to go into
604. 44:31to the Capitol. Hey, come on, come on. And several people, it's funny, nervously their
605. 44:39eyes darting right and left as if they're in communist Russia afraid they're going to be
606. 44:45heard. And two men, I was at a major event a year ago on the East Coast. Two men were telling
607. 44:53me that they were in Washington DC and they got up there walking around. They were forcibly
608. 45:00pushed with a crowd against their will, pushed into the capital and they just in the nick of time
609. 45:08were able to extricate themselves. And my point being, to your point is, it was all a setup. And
610. 45:17so the left, their narrative, oh, this was a big insurrection, you know, this was a big
611. 45:22encouragement to riot and chaos.
612. 45:27There were hundreds and hundreds of Americans that were just, they were set up.
613. 45:33They were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
614. 45:35But it was a well-crafted event to try and
615. 45:39implicate the president of insurrection, wasn't it?
616. 45:42It absolutely was.
617. 45:45And I'm going to ask Alex, if you and your audience would actually like to know the true crux of the why all of this took place.
618. 45:52took place. What is behind this entire story? What caused these series of events to take
619. 45:58place? And this is the story that the general public does not know and does not fully understand.
620. 46:03They all know in their heart of hearts that something was wrong. No question. They know
621. 46:06there was crossfire hurricane that's all been exposed. They know what Tulsi Gabbard is starting
622. 46:11to expose. They suspected it, but she's actually laying out the receipts, you know, that actually
623. 46:15the breadcrumb trail that we'd write back to Obama's desk, which we knew, okay?
624. 46:21But this all goes back to, are you ready? Yeah, yeah.
625. 46:27This all goes back to a big chess board, okay? Imagine a global chess board. I don't know if you're
626. 46:34a chess player or not, but when you play chess, they say he or she who controls the center square
627. 46:40controls the game. Well, in globalism, endless wars are part of that chessboard. And the center
628. 46:49square of this chessboard currently that is still has our whole world in a situation right now,
629. 47:01where there's a lot of imbalance and there's a lot of uncertainty. That center square is Ukraine,
630. 47:07the proxy war in Ukraine, okay, with Russia. So I'm going to take you audience all the way back to 2014 under the Obama administration,
631. 47:17especially under the light that Tulsi Gabbard is now exposing Obama being the one helping to orchestrate this fake Russia-Russia
632. 47:26Russia narrative and I'll tell your audience that if you start to replace the words Russia,
633. 47:30Russia, Russia with Ukraine, Ukraine, Ukraine, a lot of answers will start to come and prevail
634. 47:37themselves, reveal themselves. Okay. Go back to 2014 under the Obama administration
635. 47:44with a State Department under Victoria Newland and you will find that the Obama administration
636. 47:50orchestrated a coup, very similar, eerily similar, to January 6, but in Ukraine.
637. 48:00There was a coup that orchestrated in Ukraine in 2014 to on see a duly elected president
638. 48:05named Viktor Yanukovych.
639. 48:07Viktor Yanukovych was Russian and therefore leaned to support Russia, so the US and the
640. 48:14EU couldn't have that.
641. 48:16But at the same time, this Viktor Yanukovych, he was duly elected and the United States
642. 48:20in the EU also recognized that it was a fair, legitimate election.
643. 48:24So therefore, they had to get rid of them because he wanted to remain neutral between Russia
644. 48:29and the United States and the EU.
645. 48:31He wanted to sovereign Ukraine.
646. 48:32That's all he cared about.
647. 48:33Now he wasn't interested in it.
648. 48:34Hey, forgive me because time fleecs where I've got to ask you, give me the one minute synopsis
649. 48:39of Zolinsky.
650. 48:40Well, Zolinsky was manufactured by an oligarch named E. Horkolomoysky.
651. 48:46E-Hort Kolomoysky is arguably one of the top three or four most dangerous oligarchs in all of Ukraine.
652. 48:53Currently languishing in prison under Zelensky because now Zelensky no longer owes him anything because he's in that prison.
653. 49:00But bottom line is E-Hort Kolomoysky in one minute was the owner of oil and gas, the kingpin in Ukraine,
654. 49:09and also the owner of multiple different industries, banking, he had the largest bank in all of Ukraine.
655. 49:14I beg your forgiveness.
656. 49:15We've got to visit again.
657. 49:17Time is almost out.
658. 49:18Can we read more at Unleashed.News?
659. 49:23You can definitely come to us at Unleashed.News.
660. 49:25We're going to be outing a lot of this information,
661. 49:27but I'd love to come back and tell you the rest of the story
662. 49:29to your audience about what truly took place.
663. 49:31We shall.
664. 49:32And why?
665. 49:33Thanks for listening, folks.
666. 49:34Thanks, Jason Sullivan.
667. 49:35God bless you all.
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