January 24, 2025 · 48:18

("Best-of" Edition from 1/10) God used Billy Carson to introduce us to Wes Huff.

Culture & Media

Show notes

0:00 - 15:00. 1 Peter 3:13-16 (ESV). “Always be ready” includes “gentleness and respect.” 15:00 - 31:00. God used Billy Carson to introduce us to Wes Huff. 31:00 - 48:00. God is still at work. or call: 800-326-4543 To donate call : 877-616-2396 Video Clip Links Wes Huff vs. Billy Carson debate Joe Rogan - Wesley Huff

References & links

Phone lines mentioned

800-326-4543
877-616-2396

Full transcript Auto-generated · 8,385 words

Transcribed with OpenAI Whisper (base.en). Timestamps are approximate. Lightly cleaned for readability; quotations from on-air callers may include filler words. Use the audio player above for the authoritative recording.

0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:02It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:10It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
0:24Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28And now, the Hamilton Corner.
0:32Good evening, everyone.
0:34Welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
0:36My name is Abraham Hamilton III.
0:39Joined by produce extraordinaire often imitate
0:42and never duplicated the real Jay Mac y'all know what it is.
0:45You definitely want to buckle up for this one.
0:49This is the program that I alluded to Wednesday
0:52that I planned to do.
0:55I'm quite excited about it for a host of reasons,
0:58but the primary reason it is just further evidence
1:03of exactly what I say Wednesday,
1:05that God is God and we are not.
1:07While there are all kinds of crazy things going on
1:10in the world, even though I'm just reading,
1:12you know, on his way out the door,
1:13the weekend that burned his Mr. Ice Cream Man, Robinette.
1:17Another 500 million for Ukraine, okay, okay.
1:22Trying to make things even more difficult.
1:25But even with all of these things that are transpiring,
1:28God is still on the throne and God is still doing amazing things.
1:33But before we get into that, thank you for tuning in to the program,
1:36each and every one of you, no matter how you are tuning in, the live radio listeners,
1:40the live video streamers, the television show watchers, shout out to the NRB TV audience,
1:47the podcast listeners, thank you all for tuning in to the program.
1:51Make sure you share the show with your friends and loved ones and family members.
1:55If you want to help this program, you want to help out with its dissemination, make sure
2:02that your friends, your family, your loved ones know about it.
2:05And that will help spread the word we're available everywhere.
2:10You can listen to podcasts.
2:12If your podcasts or everywhere podcasts are available, just look for the Hamilton Corner
2:17and you will find us there.
2:19At this very moment, many of you, if not most of you are making your, are making your transition
2:24from your part time jobs where you generate an income
2:26to your full time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
2:29And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so
2:31with intentionality, understanding the primacy
2:34that God places on the family.
2:38And I continue to stress that
2:40because family is the first human institution
2:43that God established with marriage at the fulcrum
2:46of the familial unit.
2:47The family is central, central, not peripheral,
2:50central to God's plan for his kingdom.
2:54He builds his kingdom, establishes his kingdom
2:57in the hearts and minds of people.
3:01He dispatches his ambassadors,
3:03very similar to the concept of a foreign ambassador.
3:07You and a US ambassador functions for one primary purpose
3:11to introduce foreign nations to the culture,
3:14the makeup, the construction, if you will, of our nation.
3:19This is why US embassies around the world are recognized as sovereign US territory, because
3:25though it may be in an alienation, is a US embassy.
3:29Similarly, though we are in this world, we are not of it.
3:33Jesus said that very, very plainly.
3:36We are in the world.
3:37God has placed us in the world intentionally to be his ambassadors, although we are not of
3:44the world.
3:45exist in the world to introduce those in the world to our homeland.
3:52And by God's grace we have the blessed hope of enjoying eternity in the tangible presence
3:59of our Lord and King, where though as the Apostle Paul explained we see him through a glass dimly
4:06darkly now.
4:07The time is coming where we will behold him with unveiled face, with unveiled face and
4:13we are absolutely looking forward to that time period,
4:16as well as being able to spend time,
4:18spend eternity, rather, with all of the believers
4:21throughout human history.
4:22This is what we have to look forward to.
4:25So as you are making your transition
4:26from your part-time job to your full-time jobs,
4:29one of the first things you wanna do is make sure
4:31that your family members are also members
4:33of our eternal family, that we are commissioned
4:37as disciples to be disciple makers.
4:40The great commission is just that
4:42to make disciples and we start that right in our own homes.
4:45Refuse to sacrifice your homes in an effort
4:49to win the world because that is also
4:54what I'm endeavoring to do with my life.
4:57Thank you again for tuning in to the program.
4:58We'll begin the show as is our custom
5:01with the word of God.
5:02We're gonna go to 1 Peter chapter three,
5:04a very, very, very familiar passage of scripture.
5:09We're gonna talk about the scripture
5:10And then I want to give you some examples that I believe
5:14are good examples of this scripture being put into practice.
5:19All right, first Peter chapter three,
5:20verses 13 through, what did I say, 13 through 16?
5:26First Peter chapter three, verses 13 through 16.
5:28And this is what the Lord's word says.
5:30Now, who is there to harm you
5:33if you are zealous for what is good?
5:36But even if you should suffer for righteousness sake,
5:40you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ
5:48the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks for a reason
5:57for the hope that is in you. Yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience
6:04so that when, not if when you are slandered,
6:08those who revile your good behavior in Christ
6:12will be put to shame.
6:14Now I've talked about this passage of scripture before
6:17in Peter's Epistle, 1 Peter chapter three,
6:19prior to getting to the pinnacle apologetic scripture.
6:26Peter spends a significant amount of time
6:27talking about cultivating the graces of God in one's life.
6:33That they are always being ready to give a reason,
6:35should never outpace the cultivation of a godliness,
6:40godly character internally,
6:42which will enable us to obey the remainder of the scripture.
6:45But within this exact same context,
6:47Peter talks about the inescapable reality,
6:49the inescapable reality of Christians suffering
6:53for righteousness, suffering for the sake of righteousness.
6:58This is something that many people don't like
7:00to converse about, but the fact is believers are called
7:04to suffer well.
7:06will all face suffering of various sorts.
7:08The only variables are the types of suffering,
7:11the intensity of suffering, but we all face it.
7:13And that is a part of the Christian life.
7:18While Peter makes the observation
7:20about the reality of suffering for righteousness sake,
7:22he then says, have no fear of them.
7:25Is it an interesting while Peter brings up
7:27the notion of suffering,
7:28he also immediately turns around and says,
7:32but the reality of suffering should not provoke fear
7:36in the life or in the heart of the believer.
7:41He continues on going to verse 15,
7:43which corresponds with and affirms
7:47the things that was spoken before you got to verse 13
7:49about cultivating a personal devotion to the Lord.
7:52Verse 15, Peter says, but in your hearts, in your hearts,
7:56before you ever get to present in Christ to anybody else,
7:59before you ever getting, get to engaging anybody else,
8:02we must consistently maintain a posture of reverence
8:07for Christ in our own hearts that provokes the appropriate response of humility and a gentleness
8:14because we consider the great depths to which Christ has saved us from, which compels us
8:25to honor Christ the Lord as holy, he alone having a seity.
8:31And because of this honor in Christ the Lord is holy, we are then instructed, and this is
8:36where it's one of more popular portions of the scripture, to always be prepared to make a defense.
8:42The phrase make a defense is derived from the Greek word apologia, which is where the English term
8:47apologetics comes from, which simply means making a reasoned defense and articulation for why we believe
8:56what we believe. Every believer, I say this all the time, every single believer is called to be a
9:01theologian. All right, notice I didn't say an
9:03academician. An academic. Every believer is
9:07called to be a theologian. The root word for
9:10theologian is theos. The Greek word for God.
9:14Logos learned mind. Theologian simply means a
9:18student or learner of God. Every believer is
9:20called to be that. Whether you are an
9:22academic or not, you are called to be a
9:24theologian. You must know, I must know why I
9:28believe, I must know what I believe. You
9:31You must know what you believe.
9:32You must know why you believe it.
9:33I must know why I believe it.
9:36And I must be able to reasonably communicate why I believe what I believe, just as you are
9:41required to be able to reasonably communicate why you believe what you believe.
9:49In many ways, because we haven't faced the type of overt hostility and persecution in
9:53our nation, many believers in our nation have become lazy.
9:56They will say we believe, but we don't know why we believe.
10:00Let alone what we believe.
10:02of the foundational questions of the faith stump many professing believers in our nation.
10:08Which many instances have led to a rejection of the foundations of the faith, simply because we
10:14don't know why we believe it nor what we believe about it. But every believer, every believer in
10:19every generation is called by God to always be prepared to give a reason for what, for the hope
10:26that you have, which means every believer must know what we believe, every believer must know why we
10:30we believe it and we must be able to reasonably communicate that to anyone
10:36scripture says to anyone asks you some have misunderstood that text to me that
10:41we just sit around waiting for the grasshopper the cricket sounds to take root
10:47and we said I never said the gospel nobody asked me why I believe what I believe
10:50no what Peter is explaining when you see the entirety of the chapter that our
10:55lives should be lived in such a way with such a quality that it provokes inquiry
10:59It provokes inquiry.
11:02Why are you so hope-filled when we see all of this bad news happening in different places?
11:06Why are you committed to your wife, though you have in the world adultery is standard fair?
11:12Why do you use language that you don't use profane language?
11:16Why do you make the choices you make concerning what you consume?
11:18Why your entertainment choices this?
11:20Why do you read your children in this way?
11:21These are questions that are presented when there's a peculiarity on display through the
11:26lifestyle.
11:27is explaining to always be ready to give a reason for the hope that you have to any
11:33who asks you give a reason for the hope that is in you but look at this part and
11:39this is a part of the component that I think people don't realize is also
11:43included in the always being ready. It's not only always be ready to give a
11:49reason for the hope that you have but always be ready to give a reason for the
11:53hope that is in you and do it with gentleness and respect. The always be
11:58He already also applies to the gentleness and respect.
12:03There is, and let me say this very plainly,
12:05as we navigate what we believe in understanding
12:10why we believe it.
12:13It provokes a humility.
12:15It provokes an awe and a reverence for God
12:18that militates towards the gentleness.
12:21Because when you consider that you didn't seek God,
12:24it was God who sought you.
12:27That if the Lord had not drawn you,
12:29would not know him. Had the Lord not made himself accessible, you would not have
12:34accessed him. So it provokes a gentleness because it causes you to recognize man.
12:40But for the grace of God, I would be on the same highway to get Henna. So the
12:49gentleness comes from a vertical, a vertically imposed humility, similar to Isaiah
12:57Isaiah chapter 6, that I saw the Lord and Isaiah's response,
13:02whoa, isn't me?
13:04I'm a man of unclean lips.
13:07The always be ready doesn't only apply to giving a reason
13:10for the hope that you have, the always being ready also applies
13:13to the gentleness and the respect.
13:18I often say we say this in our local church,
13:20I say this in our home, that the call of the believer
13:23is not simply to win arguments.
13:25The call of the believer is to win brothers and sisters.
13:30The brother of the sister is far more important to me than winning an argument.
13:33Sometimes the impediment to winning the brother or sister, when I'm talking about
13:38his winning their hearts and it is Christ is the one who's the winner.
13:42It's not us.
13:44There's no need to have an ego involved.
13:47Often the impediment is a callousness, a tangible disrespect that is evident in our
13:55mechanism of communication.
13:59I learned a long time ago what comes from the heart goes to the heart.
14:02When you show people you care, it causes them to be receptive for what you know.
14:11But if your only interest is revealing what you know with no care whatsoever, that's evident in our communication.
14:18So the always being ready applies to the gentleness and respect.
14:23Two.
14:24The result, verse 16, having a good conscience.
14:28So that when you're slandered, not if, because the slandered's gonna happen.
14:33When you slandered, the slanderers would be lying about you.
14:36When you're slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ,
14:41let me put the shame because your character outpaces your proclamations.
14:47When that is the case, it creates an environment to where evangelical and
14:54apologetic presentation to penetrate the heart of the recipient.
14:58Maybe you've heard that AFA has a streaming platform, AFA Stream.
15:04Maybe you've just not thought about it.
15:06Maybe you're happy with the streaming platforms you already have.
15:10Would you consider giving AFA Stream a chance?
15:13What is on AFA Stream?
15:15Documentaries, educational material, some entertainment.
15:18If you want some spiritual inspiration,
15:21if you want to grow more in Jesus,
15:23then consider giving us a visit at AFA Stream on Roku
15:26or at stream.afa.net.
15:41to the Hamilton corner. Oh boy. I'm excited about this. And I believe this is a great example
15:46of what I was just talking about. So I had the opportunity, thanks to my wife, frankly, she
15:54put this on my radar initially, then I dove, I dove deeply into it to get a bit more understanding.
16:01I came across this. It was a debate, but wasn't a formal debate with like opening statements
16:07and a moderator and kind of thing. It was a debate of people with diverging perspectives.
16:12but it was conducted in a conversational manner.
16:15What I'm talking about is a debate between
16:18a Christian brother from Canada,
16:21I believe he's currently enrolled in the PhD program
16:24at the University of Toronto.
16:26He is an apologist, a defender of the faith.
16:29He works with the Ministry Apologetics Canada,
16:34I believe it is, and he was invited by a gentleman
16:37by the name of Mark Menard, if I remember that correctly,
16:39to have a conversational debate
16:43with a gentleman by the name of Billy Carson.
16:45Now, I didn't know who Billy Carson was before this,
16:49but after watching the debate, the full unedited debate
16:54that you can find for yourself,
16:55I ended up learning that Billy Carson
16:57is a pretty popular dude.
16:59He has this whole business called Forbidden Knowledge.
17:03He has all kind of YouTube videos,
17:05speaks all around the world,
17:06got an all kind of awards. And because of his work, he was invited on to the Joe Rogan podcast,
17:13which if you're not aware Joe Rogan's podcast is probably the largest podcast platform in the
17:17country. Alright, now his audience is huge. I mean, the largest podcast audience in the country.
17:25And it's it was quite interesting, Billy Carson fancied himself. And I said,
17:30fancied in the past tense because I would just tell you play, Leah, I'll get to the end on this part.
17:34After this tangle with Wes, you can put a headstone and an epitaph on Billy Carson's career
17:42as it was prior to his tangle with Wes.
17:46His business is called Forbidden Knowledge.
17:50Forbidden Knowledge, you know, I think the X-Files music in the background, maybe Jeff will throw
17:55some X-Files music on now, no.
17:58But the Forbidden Knowledge really Carson fancied himself an expert in ancient civilizations
18:04and the biblical text and they're all kind of things that, you know, the church wants
18:11to hide from us.
18:12This knowledge is forbidden.
18:14So interesting, man.
18:16And so he agreed, the host of this podcast is Mark Minard, who's actually a personal friend
18:22of Billy's.
18:23They actually lived, lived in the same neighborhood in Florida.
18:27And apparently Billy had been complaining to Mark Minard, who represents himself as a Christian
18:32And that he can't find anybody who's willing to debate him.
18:34So by setting this thing up with West, he thought he was given Billy what he wanted.
18:40At the end of results, I don't think Billy wanted this smoke.
18:44He wasn't ready for this.
18:45And I really don't think Billy had done his research on who West was, but West certainly
18:50had done research on who Billy is.
18:52And I'll just tell you plainly, guys, and I'm going to give you examples of this as gracious
18:58and respectful and gentle as I can say, Westmaup the Florida, oh boy.
19:03I mean, there was a barbecue and on the grill was Rose Carson.
19:08I'm telling you, it was it was it.
19:11He dismantled this man, but he did so with a gentleness and a clarity that is irrefutable.
19:19And I want to give you some examples of this.
19:21And so among the things Billy Carson represents himself to be, he would not say he's an atheist.
19:25He says he believes in God, but he does not believe in God as if you've
19:30revealed himself in the Bible.
19:31He believes in all kinds of things, aliens and he is attempting to assert that the Bible
19:37was copied from things like the Epic of Gilgamesh and other things.
19:41And it's just flat wrong, but the monsterly wrong things.
19:44In which you'll see in a few moments, I'm just going to just do enough to give you a snippet
19:47of what West did to Billy.
19:51to highlight that all of your foundations, Mr. Carson, are flawed.
19:57So I'll start this first.
20:00Billy Carson went through a line of argument
20:05where he suggested that Jesus was never resurrected.
20:11Okay, Jesus was never resurrected, which is false.
20:16But in the process of doing so,
20:18Wes asks him, well, what are you basing that on?
20:20and Billy says he's basing it on the Sinai Bible,
20:24because the Sinai Bible according to Billy
20:28contradicts the assertion that Jesus was resurrected.
20:31So I'm gonna introduce that to you,
20:33and then I'm gonna show you how West took Old Billy to school.
20:36Listen to and watch clip number one go.
20:39You seem to have investigated to a certain degree,
20:44some of these facts.
20:46Do you mind if I ask a clarifying question?
20:47When you say the Sinai Bible, what are you referring to specifically?
20:55It's the biblical text that was written and made it into a, you can actually look it up
20:59on Amazon.
21:00It's a Bible called, I have a version at home.
21:02It's called the Sinai Bible, right from Mount Sinai, I'm assuming it's the mountain that
21:07they're referencing there.
21:09But they put together their own version of the biblical text prior to the King James
21:14Version being put out.
21:17Sure.
21:18So when you refer to the Sinai Bible, would you be referring to Codex Sinaiticus?
21:25Like the Codex that comes.
21:27Okay.
21:28That's why I was trying to get some clarification because so you can actually go and see Codex
21:34Sinaiticus is at the British Library.
21:37So you can go and see it.
21:38It's on display.
21:40And the British Library has actually digitized the entire manuscript.
21:42All right.
21:43Already you can tell.
21:45You know, Billy's referring to Sinai Bible.
21:47And notice, West doesn't come off the top rope,
21:50like a WWE wrestler.
21:52He asks clarifying questions.
21:54Now I wanna make sure I understand what you're talking about.
21:56A part of our responsibility when we're engaging with people
22:00is that we appropriately address our opponent's positions.
22:04We don't want to create straw men, okay,
22:09and refute something that's not being presented.
22:10We need to make sure that we are conversing
22:13on the same plane, all right?
22:16So Wes asked this clarifying question
22:21because he's supposed to go in.
22:23I'm telling you, join me and I should say on your screen,
22:26on your right, that was Wes Huff.
22:28In the middle was the host of this particular podcast, Mark Menard.
22:31And on the left was Billy Carson. All right.
22:35Wes is supposed to take old Billy Boy to school.
22:38Listen to a watch, clip two, go.
22:41So I work with manuscripts in my linguistic work.
22:45I'm an expert on early Christian scribal culture and particularly in Greek and Coptic manuscripts.
22:51I actually have, I have a facsimile, so I have a photocopy that was done by the British Library of
22:58Codex Sinaiticus that I work with in my office. So I have a cure. And the only reason I ask for
23:05clarification is because I want to make sure that what I'm addressing is actually what you mean,
23:10and not addressing something else.
23:13Because the Codex Sinaiticus in particular
23:17is just a Greek, it's a fourth century Greek manuscript.
23:22It comes from approximately between 325 and a 350 AD.
23:28And its text of the gospels reads almost identical
23:32to the modern Greek texts that we develop translations from.
23:37So my curiosity is just simply in kind of exploring
23:42when you say that it denies the crucifixion
23:44or that the crucifixion isn't there.
23:46I mean, I can go on right now, Codex Sinaiticus,
23:49and I can look up the end of, say, Matthew 27,
23:56where it has Jesus being crucified,
23:58and that's in Codex Sinaiticus, or the John 19,
24:05or any of the other ones.
24:06So I think my confusion is that it doesn't read any differently.
24:15So actually, are you able to pull up a website
24:19with the viewers or listeners or whatever,
24:21be able to see that?
24:22Right now, let me try to write the version that I'm looking.
24:25I'm sorry, I'm not making a picture.
24:28Obviously, who I have, let me leave it.
24:29Oh, let me leave it, let me leave it, let me leave it.
24:32We'll be able to cast them and call the bird,
24:33and make it whole, whole, whole, whole, whole, whole
24:34of us, let me leave it, let me leave it.
24:35Let me leave it, let me leave it.
24:36Give me a second, let me leave it.
24:37Let me make sure I got the right thing.
24:39For you ask me all these questions, I'm having the wrong thing.
24:42Billie got the stumbling.
24:46Oh my goodness.
24:48It was, it was, it was at this point, at this point Billie knew he had chosen wrongly.
24:59He gets the fumble, he's in pulling up the phone.
25:01He's scrolling.
25:05Then Billie's trying to figure out what he was saying.
25:08He moves over to say, oh no, no, no, I misspoke.
25:10See, I said sideline vibe.
25:12I'm not a sign of my mom.
25:13You said I'm a sign of what I meant to say was the gospel of Barnabas.
25:18Now I'll tell you that gospel of Barnabas is an extra biblical text.
25:22That's not even remotely close to the first and second century.
25:25Nevertheless, Billy Carson cites it as an authoritative source for why he doesn't believe
25:31Jesus was resurrected.
25:33School was already in session.
25:36West takes Billy to second period.
25:38Listen to and watch clip number three.
25:40Go.
25:41Is that piece?
25:42I found the text where I was referencing actually, I misquoted it.
25:45I misquoted it there.
25:46It's the Gospel of Barnabas.
25:47Okay.
25:50Yeah.
25:51Well, so that's good.
25:52So let's deal with that too, because I've actually worked with, there are two manuscripts
25:56at the Gospel of Barnabas.
25:58The Gospel of Barnabas is a really interesting document because it is a known forgery.
26:05And so that's why I think it's important to get to these sources.
26:08So at the very start of the Gospel of Barnabas, which we only have two copies of, one is in
26:13Italian and one is in Spanish. We see right off the bat that the gospel of
26:17Barnabas, not to be confused with either the epistle of Barnabas or the acts of
26:21Barnabas, which are two apocryphal documents from the second century, but the
26:24gospel of Barnabas in particular, we know it's a forgery because it does things
26:31like in chapter 92 it says that Jesus spent 40 days on Mount Sinai and then he
26:39came to the Jordan River and he walked to Jerusalem,
26:43but Mount Sinai is more than a week's journey
26:45away from Jerusalem, and neither Mount Sinai nor Jerusalem
26:49are close to the Jordan River.
26:50So never mind, they're not being a root
26:53from the Jordan River to like around Mount Sinai
26:57or going to Jerusalem, but there are internal problems
27:02with the Gospel of Barnabas, which indicate that it shows
27:05no actual indication of evidence of coming from or even having knowledge of first century Jewish
27:13understanding. It actually says Jesus is the Christ but not the Messiah, which indicates
27:18that whoever the author is, he didn't know that those were the same words. And I think
27:22a bigger problem is that the gospel of Barnabas actually paraphrases Dante's Inferno, which
27:29was written in 1314. So there's a lot of internal evidences that disqualify the gospel of Barnabas.
27:37Never mind the fact that we don't have any evidence of it prior to the 14th century and
27:42none in any other language other than Middle-aged Italian and Spanish, but the internal content
27:50of the gospel of Barnabas disqualifies it from being ancient. And then the fact that it's
27:54doing things like paraphrasing Dante, or it also refers to a rule of the time of Jubilee,
28:01which was changed in the Middle Ages from what it was in the biblical year of Jubilee.
28:07And it goes with the Middle Ages concept, not the ancient concept.
28:11Now, let me add, and I described Wes a bit.
28:20So he's an apologist, a defender of the faith.
28:23His specialty is linguistics and biblical history.
28:27He's a linguist and a biblical historian.
28:31Billy, however, is the person who has literally built his career.
28:37I mean, he has a huge following over a million subscribers on, you know, social media and all these other things,
28:45but he's built his following based on ignorance.
28:50He refers to things as forbidden knowledge that many people may not have heard of before.
28:56And people have misconstrued Billy's confidence
29:02with competence.
29:06West gently and respectfully
29:10dismantles the foundation of Billy Carson's presentations.
29:15That Billy is confidently asserting
29:17that he believes what he believes
29:17because their biblical texts, I say Jesus word,
29:20wasn't crucified.
29:21And West is showing, dude,
29:22you are based on it on something that is a known forgery.
29:26See, in the world of the linguists
29:29in the biblical historians, it's common knowledge
29:32that the purported gospel of Barnabas,
29:35it's not an ancient text, and it's a known forgery.
29:39But Billy's whole worldview has been comprised,
29:41has been constructed upon a lie.
29:47I believe it was Billy's hubris that led him
29:51to unpreparedly debate, Wes Huff.
29:55Wes did a whole video after the fact,
29:57after this video was recorded,
30:01Billy threatened his friend, Mark Menard,
30:04with a cease and desist letter,
30:05sent Wes up a cease and desist letter.
30:07Don't put this out, you can't put this out
30:09because Billy knew he had been swash buckled.
30:15Because when you are defending the faith
30:18and standing on truth, you don't have to be afraid
30:21of the opponents.
30:22We need to, as a scripture command study,
30:24to show ourselves approved to know what it is,
30:27what believe, know what it is that we believe,
30:31know why we believe it.
30:35And when time comes, we stand pat on truth.
30:39Wes explains that he only was given 24 hour notice for this.
30:44Mark reached out to me saying, yeah,
30:46can you do this tomorrow?
30:46He's like, bet I'm there.
30:50When Wes helped the Billy to recognize
30:51that he was standing on a faulty foundation,
30:53he then began to articulate for the viewers
30:57what he was doing in questioning Billy's methodology.
31:00Listen to him and watch clip number four.
31:01Go.
31:03What I'm getting at is, so I'm a historian
31:05and I deal with sources.
31:07So when I'm looking at sources, I want to make sure that I have a methodology by which I approach any type of source.
31:14So if there is something that denies the crucifixion, I want to make sure that I'm analyzing it and that the methodology by which I analyze it actually reveals that the content can be accurately tied to the event.
31:27So if we're talking about, say, Codex Sinaiticus, that's in the fourth century.
31:31Now, that is, I would agree with you, Billy, our oldest copy of the Bible in a sense of
31:36cover-to-cover, Genesis to Revelation copy of the Bible.
31:40The problem is that we have individual copies of all four gospels going back hundreds of
31:46years before Codex Sinaiticus.
31:49So I have a facsimile behind me of P-66.
31:54This is a late-second century copy of the Gospel of John.
31:57I work with this particular manuscript.
31:59I can just show the screen right here.
32:01This is an almost complete copy of the Gospel of John, and it has the crucifixion.
32:08Yeah, so Pyres is just what it's made out of.
32:15So, I got that from a GPT by the way.
32:25So you stand under the truth or a lie, that's the question.
32:28The Hamilton Quarter podcast and one-minute commentaries are available at EFR.net.
32:40to the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
32:44Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner.
32:47So are you standing on the truth?
32:49Are you standing on the lie?
32:50So West was able to effectively demolish Billy's Foundation.
32:56And man, you should have saw the comments,
32:59following this all kind of people.
33:00Many atheists saying, man, thanks for this video.
33:03Thanks to you, West.
33:04I'm no longer an atheist.
33:05I believe many of the lies that Billy has told for years.
33:08But after seeing this debate, I've watched hours of your content.
33:12He has a YouTube channel.
33:13He has his own website, WestF.com.
33:15Uh, apologetics, Canada is, is another offering that he works with.
33:19And now the Lord has drawn me back to himself.
33:22I mean, it was amazing to witness.
33:24And I don't mean to cast his versions on Billy Wild.
33:26I am a Christian.
33:27So I enjoyed seeing, uh, West's, uh, presentation.
33:31Uh, I don't mean to denigrate Billy Carson as a person and I truly pray
33:35that God opens his eyes, especially through his encounter with West to see,
33:39man, I've been believing lies and comes to the knowledge of the truth.
33:45But the lies that Billy had been believing and been espousing is what gave him an audience with Joe
33:51Rogan. Joe Rogan had Billy on his podcast, agreeing with some of the stuff, talking about aliens and
33:57all these other kinds of things. But it's because of that takedown that I just gave you a sample of
34:02of Wes doing the do that Joe Rogan invited Wes onto his podcast.
34:12And man, I'm telling you, God has had work.
34:16This is the largest platform that's currently available.
34:23And Wes's appearance on Joe Rogan's podcast will probably be one of,
34:29if not the most widely disseminated,
34:32of the faith, of the Christian faith to date in history
34:40and through one setting.
34:43So Joe Rogan invites Wes onto his program
34:50in Wes Huff does with Joe Rogan.
34:54And then I'm gonna tell you this, Joe Rogan,
34:55this is the first time I've ever watched
34:57an entire episode of Joe Rogan's podcast.
34:58It's pretty long, but in the past,
35:01he's been kind of snarky and in hostile to Christians,
35:04It's asserting that it's ridiculous to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that he resurrecting
35:10things of that nature, but he didn't have that tone this time.
35:13With West listen to and watch, Joe Rogan ask, Wes Huff, what's the oldest version of the Bible
35:19that we have access to?
35:21Clip number five, go.
35:22What is the oldest version of the Bible or the stories in the Bible?
35:26Is it the Dead Sea Scrolls or are there older versions?
35:28The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest of the Old Testament.
35:32So when they were discovered, I mean, so they were discovered 1946 to 1957.
35:38And at that point during their discovery, they pushed back a lot of our previous oldest manuscripts,
35:44a thousand years, which was a big deal.
35:49How old are they?
35:50They're anywhere between the third century BC and the first century BC.
35:55So it's kind of tricky because the Dead Sea Scrolls are, they're like a library that we
36:00refer to.
36:01So it's approximately 970 documents, but it's distributed out between 10,000 and 11,000
36:11fragments.
36:12So there's a lot going on there.
36:15Right?
36:16So and some of these, I mean, are so fragmentary that you look at them and it's like confetti.
36:21Because they're, I mean, 3000 years old, but not quite that.
36:25Like 2000 plus years old animal skins too, right?
36:28all sorts of things, animal skins, papayri,
36:31and then some of them are actually done on copper.
36:33They're like inscribed in copper.
36:34Oh wow.
36:36So you have this part of the conversation,
36:39and man, it's just amazing how it happens.
36:41West has a great job maintaining the same disposition.
36:44You watch this video and things, you have the same demeanor,
36:46there's a gentleness present, there's a respect
36:49for the people you're talking to.
36:51And this interview is not as hostile,
36:55or should I say averse.
36:56It was clear that Billy Carson was opposed to Wes Huff.
36:59Joe Rogan didn't have the same hostility towards Wes Huff,
37:04that Billy demonstrated.
37:06But they came to a part of the conversation
37:08when Wes made the comment that among the dissy scrolls,
37:11we were able to find an intact scroll
37:14that contains the entirety of the book of Isaiah.
37:17It's called the Great Isaiah Scroll.
37:19Joe Rogan could not believe that it was intact,
37:21but not only that, it pushed the dating back
37:25of the oldest available copies of biblical text a thousand years.
37:31It blew Joe Rogan's mind.
37:32Listen to you in Watts, clip number seven.
37:34Go.
37:35So when you say the book of Isaiah is intact,
37:38how similar is it to the book of Isaiah that's in the Bible?
37:42So that one is fascinating.
37:44So this isn't true for all of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
37:46but when we discovered the Great Isaiah Scroll,
37:48previous to that, the earliest copy of Isaiah that we had
37:52was in the Masoretic text, which is in the Middle Ages.
37:56Whoa.
37:57Yeah, so it was literally a thousand years.
37:58We literally pushed back our understanding of Isaiah,
38:01a thousand years, and the thing that really shocked scholars,
38:04like I said, this isn't true for all the Dead Sea Scrolls,
38:06but one of the things that shocked them about Isaiah
38:09was that it was word for word identical
38:11to the Masoretic text.
38:12Word for word.
38:13Word for word.
38:14Wow.
38:14Yeah, so this is the good Isaiah Scrolls.
38:16So if you go to Israel and you go.
38:17Is that Papyrus?
38:20Yes.
38:22What is vellum? So I should be more specific. So parchment is animal skin.
38:28Vellum can be used synonymously with the term parchment. Technically parchment is
38:36like baby animal skin, like calves or lambs. But this is the great Isaiah scroll and you can see
38:42like they stitch together the parchment because it's so long.
38:48on.
38:49Mm hmm.
38:50Wes Huff is literally taking Joe Rogan this time in the school, but from a different disposition.
38:57Joe Rogan is learning from Wes Huff.
39:02And I want to be clear about something I definitely so far what I've learned.
39:05I don't know Wes Huff personally.
39:06I may at some point reach out to him and have him on the program.
39:10I know about his public presentations.
39:12I do not know him personally.
39:15Joe Rogan is an unbeliever to date to date.
39:21podcast and Clueprofanity and I'm just giving you a sample because this podcast episode was over three hours long.
39:27So I'm certainly not recommending you go and peruse that but what I'm saying is that this is the largest media platform that exists currently and you're having this type of presentation.
39:41It is the Billy Carson debacle that gave rise to Wes accessing the Jorogan platform.
39:48platform. And let me just tell you, Wes Huff, he's not a celebrity, he didn't have a huge
39:53millions and millions and millions of followers before this, but after, which is a lesson in and of
40:03itself, regardless of the prevalence of your work, man, be faithful with God has planted you,
40:10because you never know when God may see fit to provide an opportunity for you on a different platform.
40:17It was the faithfulness that the Hebrew boys displayed in anonymity that set the
40:21states for them to stand before never going to.
40:24You don't get to the I won't bow before you're staying in statute if you don't have
40:28the 10 day table of testing from day after one.
40:31But let me continue on.
40:33So this education process continues into where West is able to demonstrate for
40:42Joe Rogan, something he had done previously concerning a name disambiguation
40:48to affirm the authority of Scripture, listen to and watch clip number nine.
40:53Go.
40:54Yeah, right here.
40:55It's a particular decades that they're writing.
40:57A series of scholarly studies has shown that, though Jews were located in many places across
41:02the Roman Empire, people's names often tended to be geographically located.
41:07By observing literary and archaeological artifacts, a list of common names can be clearly identified.
41:13narrowing down the most popular names in places that Jesus lived, traveled, and ministered,
41:20and by comparing these to the lists from the studies, an interesting correlation can be
41:24seen. Just as we see today with popular names, a qualifier or nickname is often used. For
41:31example, notice that when Matthew lists the disciples in his gospel, certain names have
41:36a qualifier or nickname and others do not. Simon called Peter and Andrew his brother
41:42and James the son of Zebedee and John his brother, Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the
41:48tax collector, James the son of Alpheus and Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot
41:54who also betrayed him. As we would expect, the most popular names are those that have an
41:59added description. When we compare the most popular names in Judea and Galilee during the
42:04first century, with names we see listed in key places in the biblical gospels, we find
42:10that all the names with qualifiers match with what we'd assume if they were actually written
42:15in the time and place they claim to be narrating. In contrast, the gospel of Judas only has two
42:21names that would fit, Jesus and Judas, but contains a host of other characters whose names match not
42:28with 1st century Judea or Galilee, like the biblical Gospels, but with names that were popular in Egypt
42:35during the 2nd and 3rd centuries. Consider how difficult it would be for someone living outside
42:40of the locations and times that these events took place to get the right names with the right
42:45qualifiers. We have four biblical gospels with four different authors and yet each gets this test of
42:52naming frequency and attribution right every time. A test and standard that the non-biblical
42:59gospels simply do not pass. We might use this so we can use this.
43:06So this is so interesting.
43:07So this is so, it totally makes sense too.
43:12Building Joe Rogan's, and I would add most importantly, his audience's capacity to trust
43:20the scripture, he then goes on to introduce Joe Rogan to this concept of very similar to
43:24it.
43:25It's pretty amazing as he once again shows that the Gospel of Barnabas was clearly a forgery
43:31and it is in fact a known forgery.
43:34Number 10, go.
43:35And a lot of this stuff, like the Unimastic Congerants is something that has really only
43:39been studied to the level that it has within the last like 50 years.
43:44So we're constantly discovering ways that we can use different types of methodological analysis
43:49to figure out the historical validity of something.
43:53So this is, we call it verisimilitude, which is historians are looking for what can show
44:00us the appearance, likelihood, and probability of something being true.
44:04And so sometimes documents out themselves as being unreliable and not true because they
44:11inadvertently include these clues like so the gospel of Barnabas, which I mentioned before,
44:17which Billy Carson has brought up as an evidence that he sees as denying the crucifixion.
44:22It talks about Jesus getting in a boat and traveling to Nazareth, but Nazareth is landlocked.
44:29So that person clearly did not know anything about the geography of like first century
44:36Israel because you're not getting in a boat to go to Nazareth, right?
44:41So, but if you're writing, you know, I mean, in the case of the Gospel of Barnabas, you're
44:45talking about like a thousand plus years later.
44:48But if you've never been there and you don't understand, it's like, have you ever seen middle
44:53age paintings of lions?
44:55Yes.
44:56Yeah.
44:57idea what they were.
44:58So, Wes builds from all of this information, a schooling Rogan, to this portion which I believe
45:05is the high point of the entire interview when you ask Joe Rogan, now what do you think about
45:11Jesus?
45:12Clip number 11, go.
45:13In all of this, what do you think of Jesus?
45:15Like in terms of your own like, journeying and trying to find answers to ultimate questions?
45:23What do you think of the historical person of Jesus?
45:25So a moral teacher, a good person, Jesus is give us room for that consideration.
45:32Listen to West continued expounding on this notion, clip 12.
45:38Go.
45:39I really appreciate, I mean guys that you're friends with, right?
45:41Like the Jordan Peterson's and the Douglas Murray's of the world or you know the Tom Holland's,
45:45not the Spider-Man actor, the historian who talk about the stuff.
45:49I think I really like the way that Jordan Peterson articulates it, but I think he misses the
45:53the forest for the trees.
45:55How so?
45:56In that he sees Jesus as an archetype.
45:59And I don't think actually even Jesus
46:01gives you the opportunity to see him as the archetype.
46:04Because I've this love-hate relationship
46:06with all of Peterson's stuff,
46:08because he seems to get so much right
46:11where he walks up to the line,
46:12but he doesn't wanna cross over.
46:14And is the crossover you think connected
46:16to a life in academia?
46:18No, what do you think it is?
46:20I wonder, and I'd love to talk to him about this,
46:22Like how do you remedy this issue that,
46:27because he seems to think that the concept of Jesus
46:32as an example is more important than the actual flesh and blood
46:39first century itinerant Jewish preacher
46:41who was crucified and rose from the dead physically,
46:44which is the claim of the gospels
46:45and the rest of the New Testament.
46:47That's an example for us to look on and live by,
46:52but I actually think that Jesus condemns moralism
46:59and ultimately what I see Peterson doing
47:01is looking at Jesus as a moral example
47:04and if Jesus is nothing but a moral example,
47:06then you can save yourself
47:07and you don't actually need a savior.
47:10And so I think actually Jesus would have critiqued that
47:12because Jesus was very against moralism.
47:15Jesus was very against moralism.
47:18You heard there just some of the components
47:20the foundation of frankly, but the gospel is that God the son became flesh, lived a sinless
47:27life, went to the cross, not for his own sin that he committed, but for the sins of all mankind,
47:33was crucified and resurrected for us.
47:36There was another clip I won't have time to get to, but it was amazing how Billy Carson
47:41gave rise to Joe Rogan and you have one of the most prominent proclamations and defenses of
47:47the faith that we'll probably see in a generation that came out of that. He goes on to explain
47:54even further how Jesus critiqued moralism and how the law wasn't meant to be the mechanism
48:00of salvation but to be a mirror to show us that we need a Savior. Praise God for West
48:06Hubs, Defense of the Faith.
48:10The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
48:14Family Association or American Family Radio.

Transcript indexed for search. Open the panel to read along.

Share this episode

Related Episodes

Feb 25, 2026

Culture & Media

Dr. Renton Rathbun has returned to “The Corner.”

0:00 - 15:00. 1 Timothy 3:15. The Church is to be the pillar and ground of the truth. 15:00 - 31:00. Dr. Renton Rathbun has returned to “The Corner.” 31:00 - 48:00. God has determined that His Church …

Listen

May 15, 2025

Culture & Media

Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Scott Powell, Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute

Guest Host, Alex McFarland, is joined by Scott Powell, Senior Fellow at the Discovery Institute www.discovery.org/p/powell/ https://www.afa.net/weekend https://afafoundation.net/ | 1-800-326-4543 ext.…

Listen

Sep 15, 2025

Culture & Media

What many fail to realize is that violence, to the regressive, is tactical.

0:00 - 15:00. Hebrews 5:11-14. Discernment is necessary, not optional. 15:00 - 31:00. What many fail to realize is that violence, to the regressive, is tactical. 31:00 - 48:00. Psalms 1 resolve is req…

Listen

Subscribe and never miss an episode.

Pick Your Platform All Episodes

Call (888) 589-8840 Book Abe