God used Billy Carson to introduce us to Wes Huff.

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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
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18. 0:52that I planned to do.
19. 0:55I'm quite excited about it for a host of reasons,
20. 0:58but the primary reason it is just further evidence
21. 1:03of exactly what I say Wednesday,
22. 1:05that God is God and we are not.
23. 1:07While there are all kinds of crazy things going on
24. 1:10in the world, even though I'm just reading,
25. 1:12you know, on his way out the door,
26. 1:13the weekend that burned his Mr. Ice Cream Man, Robinette.
27. 1:17Another 500 million for Ukraine, okay, okay.
28. 1:22Trying to make things even more difficult.
29. 1:25But even with all of these things that are transpiring,
30. 1:28God is still on the throne and God is still doing amazing things.
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42. 2:19At this very moment, many of you, if not most of you are making your, are making your transition
43. 2:24from your part time jobs where you generate an income
44. 2:26to your full time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
45. 2:29And as you do so, I want to remind you to do so
46. 2:31with intentionality, understanding the primacy
47. 2:34that God places on the family.
48. 2:38And I continue to stress that
49. 2:40because family is the first human institution
50. 2:43that God established with marriage at the fulcrum
51. 2:46of the familial unit.
52. 2:47The family is central, central, not peripheral,
53. 2:50central to God's plan for his kingdom.
54. 2:54He builds his kingdom, establishes his kingdom
55. 2:57in the hearts and minds of people.
56. 3:01He dispatches his ambassadors,
57. 3:03very similar to the concept of a foreign ambassador.
58. 3:07You and a US ambassador functions for one primary purpose
59. 3:11to introduce foreign nations to the culture,
60. 3:14the makeup, the construction, if you will, of our nation.
61. 3:19This is why US embassies around the world are recognized as sovereign US territory, because
62. 3:25though it may be in an alienation, is a US embassy.
63. 3:29Similarly, though we are in this world, we are not of it.
64. 3:33Jesus said that very, very plainly.
65. 3:36We are in the world.
66. 3:37God has placed us in the world intentionally to be his ambassadors, although we are not of
67. 3:44the world.
68. 3:45exist in the world to introduce those in the world to our homeland.
69. 3:52And by God's grace we have the blessed hope of enjoying eternity in the tangible presence
70. 3:59of our Lord and King, where though as the Apostle Paul explained we see him through a glass dimly
71. 4:06darkly now.
72. 4:07The time is coming where we will behold him with unveiled face, with unveiled face and
73. 4:13we are absolutely looking forward to that time period,
74. 4:16as well as being able to spend time,
75. 4:18spend eternity, rather, with all of the believers
76. 4:21throughout human history.
77. 4:22This is what we have to look forward to.
78. 4:25So as you are making your transition
79. 4:26from your part-time job to your full-time jobs,
80. 4:29one of the first things you wanna do is make sure
81. 4:31that your family members are also members
82. 4:33of our eternal family, that we are commissioned
83. 4:37as disciples to be disciple makers.
84. 4:40The great commission is just that
85. 4:42to make disciples and we start that right in our own homes.
86. 4:45Refuse to sacrifice your homes in an effort
87. 4:49to win the world because that is also
88. 4:54what I'm endeavoring to do with my life.
89. 4:57Thank you again for tuning in to the program.
90. 4:58We'll begin the show as is our custom
91. 5:01with the word of God.
92. 5:02We're gonna go to 1 Peter chapter three,
93. 5:04a very, very, very familiar passage of scripture.
94. 5:09We're gonna talk about the scripture
95. 5:10And then I want to give you some examples that I believe
96. 5:14are good examples of this scripture being put into practice.
97. 5:19All right, first Peter chapter three,
98. 5:20verses 13 through, what did I say, 13 through 16?
99. 5:26First Peter chapter three, verses 13 through 16.
100. 5:28And this is what the Lord's word says.
101. 5:30Now, who is there to harm you
102. 5:33if you are zealous for what is good?
103. 5:36But even if you should suffer for righteousness sake,
104. 5:40you will be blessed. Have no fear of them, nor be troubled, but in your hearts honor Christ
105. 5:48the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks for a reason
106. 5:57for the hope that is in you. Yet do it with gentleness and respect, having a good conscience
107. 6:04so that when, not if when you are slandered,
108. 6:08those who revile your good behavior in Christ
109. 6:12will be put to shame.
110. 6:14Now I've talked about this passage of scripture before
111. 6:17in Peter's Epistle, 1 Peter chapter three,
112. 6:19prior to getting to the pinnacle apologetic scripture.
113. 6:26Peter spends a significant amount of time
114. 6:27talking about cultivating the graces of God in one's life.
115. 6:33That they are always being ready to give a reason,
116. 6:35should never outpace the cultivation of a godliness,
117. 6:40godly character internally,
118. 6:42which will enable us to obey the remainder of the scripture.
119. 6:45But within this exact same context,
120. 6:47Peter talks about the inescapable reality,
121. 6:49the inescapable reality of Christians suffering
122. 6:53for righteousness, suffering for the sake of righteousness.
123. 6:58This is something that many people don't like
124. 7:00to converse about, but the fact is believers are called
125. 7:04to suffer well.
126. 7:06will all face suffering of various sorts.
127. 7:08The only variables are the types of suffering,
128. 7:11the intensity of suffering, but we all face it.
129. 7:13And that is a part of the Christian life.
130. 7:18While Peter makes the observation
131. 7:20about the reality of suffering for righteousness sake,
132. 7:22he then says, have no fear of them.
133. 7:25Is it an interesting while Peter brings up
134. 7:27the notion of suffering,
135. 7:28he also immediately turns around and says,
136. 7:32but the reality of suffering should not provoke fear
137. 7:36in the life or in the heart of the believer.
138. 7:41He continues on going to verse 15,
139. 7:43which corresponds with and affirms
140. 7:47the things that was spoken before you got to verse 13
141. 7:49about cultivating a personal devotion to the Lord.
142. 7:52Verse 15, Peter says, but in your hearts, in your hearts,
143. 7:56before you ever get to present in Christ to anybody else,
144. 7:59before you ever getting, get to engaging anybody else,
145. 8:02we must consistently maintain a posture of reverence
146. 8:07for Christ in our own hearts that provokes the appropriate response of humility and a gentleness
147. 8:14because we consider the great depths to which Christ has saved us from, which compels us
148. 8:25to honor Christ the Lord as holy, he alone having a seity.
149. 8:31And because of this honor in Christ the Lord is holy, we are then instructed, and this is
150. 8:36where it's one of more popular portions of the scripture, to always be prepared to make a defense.
151. 8:42The phrase make a defense is derived from the Greek word apologia, which is where the English term
152. 8:47apologetics comes from, which simply means making a reasoned defense and articulation for why we believe
153. 8:56what we believe. Every believer, I say this all the time, every single believer is called to be a
154. 9:01theologian. All right, notice I didn't say an
155. 9:03academician. An academic. Every believer is
156. 9:07called to be a theologian. The root word for
157. 9:10theologian is theos. The Greek word for God.
158. 9:14Logos learned mind. Theologian simply means a
159. 9:18student or learner of God. Every believer is
160. 9:20called to be that. Whether you are an
161. 9:22academic or not, you are called to be a
162. 9:24theologian. You must know, I must know why I
163. 9:28believe, I must know what I believe. You
164. 9:31You must know what you believe.
165. 9:32You must know why you believe it.
166. 9:33I must know why I believe it.
167. 9:36And I must be able to reasonably communicate why I believe what I believe, just as you are
168. 9:41required to be able to reasonably communicate why you believe what you believe.
169. 9:49In many ways, because we haven't faced the type of overt hostility and persecution in
170. 9:53our nation, many believers in our nation have become lazy.
171. 9:56They will say we believe, but we don't know why we believe.
172. 10:00Let alone what we believe.
173. 10:02of the foundational questions of the faith stump many professing believers in our nation.
174. 10:08Which many instances have led to a rejection of the foundations of the faith, simply because we
175. 10:14don't know why we believe it nor what we believe about it. But every believer, every believer in
176. 10:19every generation is called by God to always be prepared to give a reason for what, for the hope
177. 10:26that you have, which means every believer must know what we believe, every believer must know why we
178. 10:30we believe it and we must be able to reasonably communicate that to anyone
179. 10:36scripture says to anyone asks you some have misunderstood that text to me that
180. 10:41we just sit around waiting for the grasshopper the cricket sounds to take root
181. 10:47and we said I never said the gospel nobody asked me why I believe what I believe
182. 10:50no what Peter is explaining when you see the entirety of the chapter that our
183. 10:55lives should be lived in such a way with such a quality that it provokes inquiry
184. 10:59It provokes inquiry.
185. 11:02Why are you so hope-filled when we see all of this bad news happening in different places?
186. 11:06Why are you committed to your wife, though you have in the world adultery is standard fair?
187. 11:12Why do you use language that you don't use profane language?
188. 11:16Why do you make the choices you make concerning what you consume?
189. 11:18Why your entertainment choices this?
190. 11:20Why do you read your children in this way?
191. 11:21These are questions that are presented when there's a peculiarity on display through the
192. 11:26lifestyle.
193. 11:27is explaining to always be ready to give a reason for the hope that you have to any
194. 11:33who asks you give a reason for the hope that is in you but look at this part and
195. 11:39this is a part of the component that I think people don't realize is also
196. 11:43included in the always being ready. It's not only always be ready to give a
197. 11:49reason for the hope that you have but always be ready to give a reason for the
198. 11:53hope that is in you and do it with gentleness and respect. The always be
199. 11:58He already also applies to the gentleness and respect.
200. 12:03There is, and let me say this very plainly,
201. 12:05as we navigate what we believe in understanding
202. 12:10why we believe it.
203. 12:13It provokes a humility.
204. 12:15It provokes an awe and a reverence for God
205. 12:18that militates towards the gentleness.
206. 12:21Because when you consider that you didn't seek God,
207. 12:24it was God who sought you.
208. 12:27That if the Lord had not drawn you,
209. 12:29would not know him. Had the Lord not made himself accessible, you would not have
210. 12:34accessed him. So it provokes a gentleness because it causes you to recognize man.
211. 12:40But for the grace of God, I would be on the same highway to get Henna. So the
212. 12:49gentleness comes from a vertical, a vertically imposed humility, similar to Isaiah
213. 12:57Isaiah chapter 6, that I saw the Lord and Isaiah's response,
214. 13:02whoa, isn't me?
215. 13:04I'm a man of unclean lips.
216. 13:07The always be ready doesn't only apply to giving a reason
217. 13:10for the hope that you have, the always being ready also applies
218. 13:13to the gentleness and the respect.
219. 13:18I often say we say this in our local church,
220. 13:20I say this in our home, that the call of the believer
221. 13:23is not simply to win arguments.
222. 13:25The call of the believer is to win brothers and sisters.
223. 13:30The brother of the sister is far more important to me than winning an argument.
224. 13:33Sometimes the impediment to winning the brother or sister, when I'm talking about
225. 13:38his winning their hearts and it is Christ is the one who's the winner.
226. 13:42It's not us.
227. 13:44There's no need to have an ego involved.
228. 13:47Often the impediment is a callousness, a tangible disrespect that is evident in our
229. 13:55mechanism of communication.
230. 13:59I learned a long time ago what comes from the heart goes to the heart.
231. 14:02When you show people you care, it causes them to be receptive for what you know.
232. 14:11But if your only interest is revealing what you know with no care whatsoever, that's evident in our communication.
233. 14:18So the always being ready applies to the gentleness and respect.
234. 14:23Two.
235. 14:24The result, verse 16, having a good conscience.
236. 14:28So that when you're slandered, not if, because the slandered's gonna happen.
237. 14:33When you slandered, the slanderers would be lying about you.
238. 14:36When you're slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ,
239. 14:41let me put the shame because your character outpaces your proclamations.
240. 14:47When that is the case, it creates an environment to where evangelical and
241. 14:54apologetic presentation to penetrate the heart of the recipient.
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252. 15:41to the Hamilton corner. Oh boy. I'm excited about this. And I believe this is a great example
253. 15:46of what I was just talking about. So I had the opportunity, thanks to my wife, frankly, she
254. 15:54put this on my radar initially, then I dove, I dove deeply into it to get a bit more understanding.
255. 16:01I came across this. It was a debate, but wasn't a formal debate with like opening statements
256. 16:07and a moderator and kind of thing. It was a debate of people with diverging perspectives.
257. 16:12but it was conducted in a conversational manner.
258. 16:15What I'm talking about is a debate between
259. 16:18a Christian brother from Canada,
260. 16:21I believe he's currently enrolled in the PhD program
261. 16:24at the University of Toronto.
262. 16:26He is an apologist, a defender of the faith.
263. 16:29He works with the Ministry Apologetics Canada,
264. 16:34I believe it is, and he was invited by a gentleman
265. 16:37by the name of Mark Menard, if I remember that correctly,
266. 16:39to have a conversational debate
267. 16:43with a gentleman by the name of Billy Carson.
268. 16:45Now, I didn't know who Billy Carson was before this,
269. 16:49but after watching the debate, the full unedited debate
270. 16:54that you can find for yourself,
271. 16:55I ended up learning that Billy Carson
272. 16:57is a pretty popular dude.
273. 16:59He has this whole business called Forbidden Knowledge.
274. 17:03He has all kind of YouTube videos,
275. 17:05speaks all around the world,
276. 17:06got an all kind of awards. And because of his work, he was invited on to the Joe Rogan podcast,
277. 17:13which if you're not aware Joe Rogan's podcast is probably the largest podcast platform in the
278. 17:17country. Alright, now his audience is huge. I mean, the largest podcast audience in the country.
279. 17:25And it's it was quite interesting, Billy Carson fancied himself. And I said,
280. 17:30fancied in the past tense because I would just tell you play, Leah, I'll get to the end on this part.
281. 17:34After this tangle with Wes, you can put a headstone and an epitaph on Billy Carson's career
282. 17:42as it was prior to his tangle with Wes.
283. 17:46His business is called Forbidden Knowledge.
284. 17:50Forbidden Knowledge, you know, I think the X-Files music in the background, maybe Jeff will throw
285. 17:55some X-Files music on now, no.
286. 17:58But the Forbidden Knowledge really Carson fancied himself an expert in ancient civilizations
287. 18:04and the biblical text and they're all kind of things that, you know, the church wants
288. 18:11to hide from us.
289. 18:12This knowledge is forbidden.
290. 18:14So interesting, man.
291. 18:16And so he agreed, the host of this podcast is Mark Minard, who's actually a personal friend
292. 18:22of Billy's.
293. 18:23They actually lived, lived in the same neighborhood in Florida.
294. 18:27And apparently Billy had been complaining to Mark Minard, who represents himself as a Christian
295. 18:32and he can't find anybody's willing to debate him.
296. 18:34So by setting this thing up with Wes,
297. 18:36he thought he was giving Billy what he wanted.
298. 18:39Ehhh, ehhh, ehhh, ehhh, ehhh, ehhh, ehhh, ehhh.
299. 18:42At the end results, I don't think Billy wanted this mode.
300. 18:44He wasn't ready for this.
301. 18:45And I really don't think Billy had done his research
302. 18:47on who Wes was, but Wes certainly had done research
303. 18:50on who Billy is.
304. 18:52And I'll just tell you plainly guys,
305. 18:54and I'm gonna give you examples of this,
306. 18:57as gracious and respectful and gentle as I can say,
307. 19:01Westmauptheflored, oh boy.
308. 19:04I mean, there was a barbecue and on the grill was Rose Carson.
309. 19:08I'm telling you, it was, it was, it, he dismantled this man.
310. 19:13But he did so with a gentleness and a clarity
311. 19:17that is irrefutable.
312. 19:19And I wanna give you some examples of this.
313. 19:21And so among the things Billy Carson represents himself to be,
314. 19:24he would not say he's an atheist.
315. 19:25He says he believes in God, but he does not believe
316. 19:29in God as he's revealed himself in the Bible.
317. 19:31He believes in all kinds of things.
318. 19:33Aliens and he is attempting to assert that the Bible was copied from things like the Epic
319. 19:39of Gilgamesh and other things and just flat wrong, but the monsterly wrong things in which
320. 19:44you'll see a few moments.
321. 19:45I'm just going to do enough to give you a snippet of what West did to Billy to highlight
322. 19:52that all of your foundations, Mr. Carson, are flawed.
323. 19:57I'll start this first. Billy Carson went through a line of argument where he suggested that Jesus
324. 20:09was never resurrected. Jesus was never resurrected, which is false. But in the process of doing so,
325. 20:18Wes asked him, well, what are you basing that on? And Billy says he's basing it on the Sinai Bible
326. 20:23because the sign I Bible according to Billy contradicts the assertion that Jesus
327. 20:30resurrected. So I'm going to introduce that to you and then I'm going to show you how
328. 20:34West Tickle Billy to school listen to and watch clip number one go. You have seem
329. 20:40to have investigated to a certain degree some of these facts. Do you mind if I ask
330. 20:46a clarifying question? When you say the sign I Bible, I'm, what are you
331. 20:53referring to specifically.
332. 20:55It's the biblical text that was written and made it into a, you can actually look it up
333. 20:59on Amazon.
334. 21:00It's a Bible called, I have a version at home.
335. 21:02It's called the Sinai Bible, right from Mount Sinai, I'm assuming it's the mountain that
336. 21:07they're referencing there.
337. 21:09But they put together their own version of the biblical text prior to the King James
338. 21:14Version being put out.
339. 21:17Sure.
340. 21:18When you refer to the Sinai Bible,
341. 21:22would you be referring to Codex Sinaiticus?
342. 21:25Like the Codex that comes, okay.
343. 21:28That's why I was trying to get some clarification.
344. 21:30Because, so you can actually go and see Codex Sinaiticus
345. 21:35is at the British Library.
346. 21:37So you can go and see it, it's on display.
347. 21:39And the British Library has actually digitized
348. 21:41the entire manuscript.
349. 21:43All right, already you can tell.
350. 21:45You know, Bill is referring to Sinai Bible.
351. 21:47And notice, Wes doesn't come off the top rope
352. 21:50like a WWE wrestler.
353. 21:52He asks clarifying questions.
354. 21:54Now I wanna make sure I understand what you're talking about.
355. 21:56A part of our responsibility when we're engaging with people
356. 22:00is that we appropriately address our opponent's positions.
357. 22:04We don't want to create straw men, okay,
358. 22:09and refute something that's not being presented.
359. 22:10We need to make sure that we are
360. 22:13conversing on the same plane, all right?
361. 22:16So Wes asked this clarifying question,
362. 22:21because he's supposed to go in.
363. 22:23I'm telling you, join me and I should say on your screen,
364. 22:26on your right, that was Wes Huff.
365. 22:29In the middle was the host of this particular podcast,
366. 22:31Mark Menard, and on the left was Billy Carson, alright?
367. 22:35Wes is supposed to take old Billy Boy to school.
368. 22:38Listen to a watch, clip two, go.
369. 22:41So I work with manuscripts in my linguistic work.
370. 22:45an expert on early Christian scribal culture and particularly in Greek and
371. 22:50Coptic manuscripts. I actually have, I have a facsimile, so I have a photocopy
372. 22:56that was done by the British Library of Codex Sinaiticus that I work with in my
373. 23:00office. I'm so I have a chair and the only reason I ask for clarification is
374. 23:06because I want to make sure that what I'm addressing is actually what you mean
375. 23:10and not addressing something else. Because the Codex Sinaiticus in
376. 23:16particular, is just a Greek, it's a fourth century Greek manuscript. It comes from approximately
377. 23:23between 325 and a 350 AD. And it's text of the gospels reads almost identical to the modern
378. 23:34Greek text that we develop translations from. So my curiosity is just simply in kind of exploring
379. 23:42when you say that it denies the crucifixion or that the crucifixion isn't there, I mean,
380. 23:47I can go on right now, Codex Sinaiticus, and I can look up the end of, say, Matthew 27,
381. 23:56where it has Jesus being crucified, and that's in Codex Sinaiticus or John 19 or any of the
382. 24:06the other one so I think my confusion is that it doesn't read any differently so actually
383. 24:16are you able to pull up a website with the like viewers or listeners or whatever be able
384. 24:21to see that.
385. 24:22What?
386. 24:23What?
387. 24:24The version that I'm looking.
388. 24:25I'm sorry, I'm not making a picture.
389. 24:27I'm a student who I have, let me let me let me let me.
390. 24:31Let me, we believe in Carson and Carla Bredam,
391. 24:33hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold hold
392. 24:35if we look at him and I'm small or something.
393. 24:36Let me give him a second, let me, let me make sure
394. 24:38I got the right thing.
395. 24:38Wait, who asked me all these questions?
396. 24:40I'm having the wrong thing.
397. 24:42Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.
398. 24:45Billy got the stumbling.
399. 24:46Oh my goodness.
400. 24:48It was, it was, it was at this point.
401. 24:51At this point, Billy knew he had chosen wrongly.
402. 24:59He gets the fumble easy and pulling up the phone.
403. 25:01He's scrolling.
404. 25:05Then Billy's trying to figure out what he was saying.
405. 25:08He moves over to say, oh, no, no, I misspoke.
406. 25:10See, I said sign that vibe.
407. 25:12I ain't even mean sign that vibe.
408. 25:14You said I mean sign that.
409. 25:15What I meant to say was the Gospel of Barnabas.
410. 25:18Now I'll tell you that Gospel of Barnabas
411. 25:20is an extra biblical text that's not even remotely close
412. 25:24to the first and second century.
413. 25:25Nevertheless, Billy Carson cites it as an authoritative source for why he doesn't believe
414. 25:31Jesus was resurrected.
415. 25:34School was already in session.
416. 25:37West takes Billy to second period.
417. 25:39Listen to when watch clip number three.
418. 25:40Go.
419. 25:41Is that piece?
420. 25:42I found the text where I was referencing actually I was misquoted.
421. 25:44I misquoted there.
422. 25:45It's the gospel of Barnabas.
423. 25:49Okay.
424. 25:50Yeah.
425. 25:51Well, so that's that's good.
426. 25:52So let's deal with that too because I've actually worked with there are two manuscripts
427. 25:56at the Gospel of Barnabas.
428. 25:58The Gospel of Barnabas is a really interesting document
429. 26:01because it is a known forgery.
430. 26:05And so that's why I think it's important
431. 26:07to get to these sources.
432. 26:08So at the very start of the Gospel of Barnabas,
433. 26:10which we only have two copies of,
434. 26:12one is in Italian and one is in Spanish,
435. 26:15we see right off the bat that the Gospel of Barnabas,
436. 26:18not to be confused with either the epistle of Barnabas
437. 26:20or the acts of Barnabas,
438. 26:21which are two apocryphal documents from the second century,
439. 26:24But the gospel of Barnabas in particular, we know it's a forgery because it does things
440. 26:31like in chapter 92, it says that Jesus spent 40 days on Mount Sinai and then he came to
441. 26:40the Jordan River and he walked to Jerusalem.
442. 26:43But Mount Sinai is more than a week's journey away from Jerusalem and neither Mount Sinai
443. 26:48nor Jerusalem are close to the Jordan River.
444. 26:50So never mind they're not being a root from the Jordan River to like a round Mount Sinai
445. 26:57or going to Jerusalem.
446. 27:00But there are internal problems with the Gospel of Barnabas, which indicate that it shows no
447. 27:06actual indication of evidence of coming from or even having knowledge of first century Jewish
448. 27:13understanding.
449. 27:14It actually says Jesus is the Christ but not the Messiah, which indicates that whoever the
450. 27:19the author is he didn't know that those were the same words.
451. 27:22And I think a bigger problem is that the Gospel of Barnabas
452. 27:25actually paraphrases Dante's Inferno, which was written in 1314.
453. 27:31So there's a lot of internal evidences that disqualify the Gospel of Barnabas.
454. 27:37Never mind the fact that we don't have any evidence of it prior to the 14th century.
455. 27:42And none in any other language other than Middle-aged Italian and Spanish.
456. 27:48but the internal content of the Gospel of Barnabas disqualifies it from being ancient.
457. 27:53And then the fact that it's doing things like paraphrasing Dante,
458. 27:56or it also refers to a rule of the time of Jubilee,
459. 28:01which was changed in the Middle Ages from what it was in the biblical year of Jubilee.
460. 28:07And it goes with the Middle Ages concept, not the ancient concept.
461. 28:18Now let me add, and I described Wes a bit.
462. 28:20So he's an apologist, a defender of the faith.
463. 28:22His specialty is linguistics and biblical history.
464. 28:27He's a linguist and a biblical historian.
465. 28:31Billy, however, is the person who has literally built his career.
466. 28:37I mean, he has a huge following, over a million subscribers on, you know, social media and
467. 28:44all these other things, but he's built his following based on ignorance.
468. 28:50He refers to things as forbidden knowledge that many people may not have heard of before
469. 28:57and people have misconstrued Billy's confidence with competence.
470. 29:06West gently and respectfully dismantles the foundation of Billy Carson's presentations.
471. 29:15That Billy is confidently asserting that he believes what he believes because their biblical
472. 29:18text that said Jesus wasn't crucified in West is showing, dude, you are based on it on something
473. 29:24that is a known forgery. See, in the world of the linguists and the biblical historians,
474. 29:31it's common knowledge that the purported gospel of Barnabas, it's not an ancient text and it's
475. 29:37a known forgery. But Billy's whole worldview has been comprised, has been constructed upon
476. 29:44a lie. I believe it was Billy's hubris that led him to unpreparedly debate.
477. 29:53Wes Huff, wested a whole video after the fact after this video was recorded. Billy threatened
478. 30:02his friend, Mark Menard with a cease and desist letter sent Wes Huff a cease and desist letter.
479. 30:07Don't put this out. You can't put this out because Billy knew he had been swash buckled
480. 30:12Because when you are defending the faith and standing on truth,
481. 30:19you don't have to be afraid of the opponents.
482. 30:22We need to, as a scripture command study,
483. 30:24to show ourselves approved to know what it is,
484. 30:27know what it is that we believe,
485. 30:30know why we believe it.
486. 30:35And when time comes, we stand pat on truth.
487. 30:39Wes explains that he only was given 24 hour notice for this.
488. 30:43Mark reached out to me and said,
489. 30:45say, yeah, can you do this tomorrow?
490. 30:46He's like, bet, I'm there.
491. 30:50When West helped the Billy to recognize that he was standing
492. 30:52on a faulty foundation, he then's begin to articulate
493. 30:55for the viewers what he was doing in questioning Billy's
494. 30:59methodology.
495. 31:00Listen to him and watch clip number four.
496. 31:01Go.
497. 31:03What I'm getting at is, so I'm a historian
498. 31:05and I deal with sources.
499. 31:07So when I'm looking at sources, I want
500. 31:09to make sure that I have a methodology by which I approach
501. 31:13any type of source.
502. 31:14So if there is something that denies the crucifixion,
503. 31:16I want to make sure that I'm analyzing it
504. 31:19and that the methodology by which I analyze it
505. 31:22actually reveals that the content can be accurately tied
506. 31:26to the event.
507. 31:27So if we're talking about, say, Codex Sinaiticus,
508. 31:30that's in the fourth century.
509. 31:31Now that is, I would agree with you, Billy,
510. 31:33our oldest copy of the Bible in a sense of
511. 31:37cover to cover Genesis to Revelation copy of the Bible.
512. 31:40The problem is that we have individual copies
513. 31:43of all four gospels going back hundreds of years
514. 31:47before Codex Sinaiticus.
515. 31:49So I have a facsimile behind me of P66.
516. 31:54This is a late second century copy of the Gospel of John.
517. 31:57I work with this particular manuscript.
518. 31:59I can just show the screen right here.
519. 32:01This is an almost complete copy of the Gospel of John.
520. 32:06And it has the crucifixion.
521. 32:08Is that the birth of any chance?
522. 32:10Yeah, so papyrus is just what it's made out of.
523. 32:14So I got that from a GPT by the way.
524. 32:24So are you standing under the truth or a lie?
525. 32:26That's the question.
526. 32:28The Hamilton Quarter podcast and one-minute commentaries are
527. 32:37available at aFR.net back to the Hamilton Quarter on American
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529. 32:44Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner.
530. 32:47So are you standing under truth?
531. 32:49Are you standing on the lie?
532. 32:50So West was able to effectively demolish Billy's foundation and and man
533. 32:58You should have saw the comments following it's all kind of people mini atheist saying man. Thanks for this video
534. 33:03Thanks to us. I'm no longer an atheist. I believe men utilize that Billy is told for years
535. 33:08But after seeing this debate I've watched hours of your content. He has a YouTube channel. He has his own website WestF.com
536. 33:15Apologetics Canada is another offering that he works with and now the Lord has drawn me back to himself
537. 33:21I mean it was amazing to witness and I don't mean to cast this person on Billy while I am a Christian so I enjoyed seeing
538. 33:29West's
539. 33:30Presentation I don't mean to denigrate Billy Carson as a person and I truly pray that God opens his eyes
540. 33:37especially through his encounter with West to see man. I've been believing lies and
541. 33:41Comes to the knowledge of the truth
542. 33:43But the lies that Billy had been believing and been espousing is what gave him an audience with Joe Rogan
543. 33:52Joe Rogan had Billy on his podcast
544. 33:55Agree with some of the stuff talking about aliens and all these other kind of things
545. 33:59But it's because of that takedown that I just gave you a sample of of
546. 34:03Wes
547. 34:07doing the do
548. 34:08That Joe Rogan invited Wes on to his podcast
549. 34:12And man, I'm telling you God is at work
550. 34:14This is the largest platform that's currently available in Wes's appearance on Joe Rogan's
551. 34:26podcast will probably be one of, if not the most widely disseminated, defenses of the
552. 34:33faith, of the Christian faith to date in history and through one setting.
553. 34:43So Joe Rogan invites Wes onto his program in Wes Huff does with Joe Rogan.
554. 34:54And then I'm going to tell you this, Joe Rogan.
555. 34:55I, this is the first time I've ever watched an entire episode of Joe Rogan's podcast.
556. 34:58It's pretty long, but he's you in the past.
557. 35:01He's been kind of snarkying in hostile to Christians, asserting that it's ridiculous
558. 35:07to believe that Jesus is the son of God and that he resurrecting things of that nature,
559. 35:10but he didn't have that tone this time with Wes.
560. 35:14Listen to and watch, Joe Rogan ask Wes Huff,
561. 35:18what's the oldest version of the Bible
562. 35:19that we have access to?
563. 35:20Clip number five, go.
564. 35:22What is the oldest version of the Bible,
565. 35:24or the stories in the Bible?
566. 35:26Is it the Dead Sea Scrolls, or are there older versions?
567. 35:28The Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest of the Old Testament.
568. 35:31So when they were discovered,
569. 35:33I mean, so they were discovered in 1946 to 1957.
570. 35:37And at that point, during their discovery,
571. 35:40They pushed back a lot of our previous oldest manuscripts,
572. 35:44a thousand years, which was a big deal.
573. 35:49How old are they?
574. 35:50They're anywhere between the third century BC
575. 35:53and the first century BC.
576. 35:55So it's kind of tricky because the Dead Sea Scrolls are,
577. 35:59they're like a library that we refer to.
578. 36:01So it's approximately 970 documents,
579. 36:05but it's distributed out between 10,000 and 11,000 fragments.
580. 36:12So there's a lot going on there, right?
581. 36:15So in some of these, I mean, are so fragmentary
582. 36:18that you look at them and it's like confetti.
583. 36:21Because they're, I mean, 3000 years old,
584. 36:24but not quite that.
585. 36:25Like 2000 plus years old animal skins.
586. 36:27It's two, right?
587. 36:28Well, all sorts of things, animal skins, papayri,
588. 36:31and then some of them are actually done on copper.
589. 36:33They're like inscribed in copper.
590. 36:35So you have this part of this part of the conversation and man, it's just amazing how what happens West has a great job maintaining
591. 36:42The same disposition you watch this videos and things. Yeah, it's the same demeanor
592. 36:46There's a gentleness present. There's a respect for the people you talking to and this interview is not as
593. 36:54Hostile or should I say a verse it was clear that Billy Carson was opposed to West Huff Joe Rogan
594. 37:00Didn't have the same hostility towards West Huff that that Billy demonstrated
595. 37:05But they came to a part of the conversation when West made the comment that among the Disney
596. 37:10Scrolls, we were able to find an intact scroll that contains the entirety of the book of
597. 37:16Isaiah.
598. 37:17It's called the Great Isaiah Scroll.
599. 37:19Joe Rogan could not believe that it was intact, but not only that, it pushed the dating back
600. 37:25of the oldest available copies of biblical text a thousand years.
601. 37:31It blew Joe Rogan's mind.
602. 37:32Listen to you in Watts, clip number seven.
603. 37:34So when you say the book of Isaiah is intact, how similar is it to the book of Isaiah that's in the Bible?
604. 37:41So that one is fascinating. So this isn't true for all of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but when we discovered the Great Isaiah Scroll,
605. 37:48previous to that, the earliest copy of Isaiah that we had was in the Masoretic text, which is in the Middle Ages.
606. 37:55Whoa.
607. 37:56Yeah, so it was literally a thousand years. We literally pushed back our understanding of Isaiah a thousand years.
608. 38:01and the thing that really shocked scholars, like I said,
609. 38:05this isn't true for all of the Dead Sea Scrolls,
610. 38:06but one of the things that shocked them about Isaiah
611. 38:09was that it was word for word identical
612. 38:11to the Masoretic text.
613. 38:12Word for word.
614. 38:13Word for word.
615. 38:14Wow.
616. 38:14Yeah.
617. 38:15So this is the good Isaiah Scrolls.
618. 38:16So if you go to Israel and you go.
619. 38:17Is that papyrus?
620. 38:20Yes.
621. 38:21No, I think that one is vellum.
622. 38:22What is vellum?
623. 38:23So I should be more specific.
624. 38:25So parchment is animal skin.
625. 38:28Vellum can be used synonymously with the term parchment.
626. 38:34Technically parchment is like baby animals skin,
627. 38:37like calves or lambs.
628. 38:40But this is the great Isaiah scroll.
629. 38:42And you can see like they stitch together the parchment
630. 38:45because it's so long.
631. 38:50Wes Huff is literally taking Joe Rogan this time in school
632. 38:55but from a different disposition,
633. 38:57Joe Rogan is learning from West Huff.
634. 39:02And I wanna be clear about something.
635. 39:03I definitely so far what I've learned,
636. 39:05I don't know West Huff personally,
637. 39:07I may at some point reach out to him
638. 39:08and have him on the program.
639. 39:10I know about his public presentations.
640. 39:12I do not know him personally.
641. 39:15Joe Rogan is an unbeliever to date,
642. 39:18to date his podcast in Clueprofanity.
643. 39:23And I'm just giving you a sample
644. 39:24because this podcast episode was over three hours long.
645. 39:28So I'm certainly not recommending you go and peruse that.
646. 39:31what I'm saying is that this is the largest media platform that exists currently.
647. 39:38And you're having this type of presentation.
648. 39:42It is the Billy Carson debacle that gave rise to Wes accessing the Jorogan platform.
649. 39:49And let me just tell you, Wes Huff, he's not a celebrity.
650. 39:52He didn't have a huge millions and millions and millions of followers before this.
651. 39:58after, which is a which is a lesson in of itself, regardless of the prevalence of your work,
652. 40:08man, be faithful with God has planted you because you never know when God may see fit
653. 40:12to provide an opportunity for you on a different platform.
654. 40:17It was the faithfulness that the Hebrew boys displayed in anonymity that set the stage for
655. 40:21them to stand before never going to answer.
656. 40:24You don't get to the I won't bow before you're standing statute if you don't have the 10-day
657. 40:28table of testing from day age up to one. But let me continue on. So this education process
658. 40:36continues into where Wes is able to demonstrate for Joe Rogan something he had done previously
659. 40:45concerning a name disambiguation to affirm the authority of scripture. Listen to and watch clip
660. 40:52number nine. Go. Yeah, right here. Particular decades that they're writing.
661. 40:56A series of scholarly studies has shown that, though Jews were located in many places across
662. 41:02the Roman Empire, people's names often tended to be geographically located.
663. 41:07By observing literary and archaeological artifacts, a list of common names can be clearly identified.
664. 41:13By narrowing down the most popular names in places that Jesus lived, traveled, and ministered,
665. 41:20and by comparing these to the lists from the studies, an interesting correlation can be
666. 41:24seen.
667. 41:25As we see today with popular names, a qualifier or nickname is often used.
668. 41:31For example, notice that when Matthew lists the disciples in his gospel, certain names
669. 41:36have a qualifier or nickname and others do not.
670. 41:39Simon called Peter and Andrew his brother and James the son of Zebedee and John his brother,
671. 41:45Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the tax collector, James the son of Alpheus
672. 41:50and Thaddeus, Simon the Zealot and Judas Iscariot who also betrayed him.
673. 41:55As we would expect, the most popular names are those that have an added description.
674. 42:01When we compare the most popular names in Judea and Galilee during the first century,
675. 42:05with names we see listed in key places in the biblical gospels, we find that all the
676. 42:10names with qualifiers match with what we'd assume if they were actually written in the
677. 42:15time and place they claim to be narrating.
678. 42:19In contrast, the Gospel of Judas only has two names that would fit, Jesus and Judas.
679. 42:25but contains a host of other characters whose names match not with first century Judea or Galilee,
680. 42:31like the biblical gospels, but with names that were popular in Egypt during the second and third centuries.
681. 42:37Consider how difficult it would be for someone living outside of the locations and times
682. 42:42that these events took place to get the right names with the right qualifiers.
683. 42:47We have four biblical gospels, with four different authors,
684. 42:51And yet each gets this test of naming frequency and attribution right every time.
685. 42:57A test in standard that the non-biblical gospels simply do not pass.
686. 43:03We might.
687. 43:03Interesting.
688. 43:04So we can use.
689. 43:05So.
690. 43:06So.
691. 43:06Isn't it?
692. 43:07So this is.
693. 43:08So this is.
694. 43:08So it totally makes sense to building Joe Rogan's and I would add most importantly his
695. 43:15audience's capacity to trust the scripture. He then goes on to introduce Joe Rogan to this concept of
696. 43:23very similar to it. It's pretty amazing as he once again shows that the Gospel of Barnabas was clearly
697. 43:31a forgery and it is in fact a known forgery. Clip number 10, go.
698. 43:36And a lot of this stuff, like the Unimastic Congerants is something that has really only been
699. 43:40studied to the level that it has within the last like 50 years. So we're constantly
700. 43:45discovering ways that we can use different types of methodological analysis to figure out
701. 43:51the historical validity of something. So this is, we call it verusimilitude, which is,
702. 43:56historians are looking for what can show us the appearance, likelihood, and probability of
703. 44:03something being true. And so, sometimes documents out themselves as being unreliable and not true
704. 44:10because they inadvertently include these clues.
705. 44:15Like so, the Gospel of Barnabas,
706. 44:16which I mentioned before,
707. 44:17which Billy Carson has brought up
708. 44:18as an evidence that he sees as denying the crucifixion,
709. 44:22it talks about Jesus getting in a boat
710. 44:24and traveling to Nazareth.
711. 44:26But Nazareth is landlocked.
712. 44:29So that person clearly did not know anything
713. 44:33about the geography of like first century Israel
714. 44:36because you're not getting in a boat to go to Nazareth, right?
715. 44:40So, but if you're writing, you know, I mean, in the case of the Gospel of Barnabas, you're
716. 44:45talking about like a thousand plus years later.
717. 44:48But if you've never been there and you don't understand, it's like, have you ever seen middle
718. 44:53age paintings of lions?
719. 44:55Yes.
720. 44:56Yeah.
721. 44:57Yeah.
722. 44:58They had no idea what they were.
723. 44:59So, Wes builds from all of this information, a schooling Rogan, to this portion, which I believe
724. 45:05is the high point of the entire interview when you ask Joe Rogan,
725. 45:09now what do you think about Jesus?
726. 45:11Clip number 11, go.
727. 45:13In all of this, what do you think of Jesus?
728. 45:15Like in terms of your own like,
729. 45:18journeying and trying to find answers to ultimate questions.
730. 45:23What do you think of the historical person of Jesus?
731. 45:25Oh, a moral teacher, a good person.
732. 45:29Jesus has given us room for that consideration.
733. 45:31and listen to Wes continued expounding on this notion,
734. 45:36clip 12, go.
735. 45:38I really appreciate, I mean guys that you're friends with,
736. 45:41like the Jordan Peterson's in the Douglas Murray's
737. 45:42of the world or the Tom Hollins,
738. 45:45not the Spider-Man actor, the historian,
739. 45:47who talk about the stuff.
740. 45:49I think I really like the way that Jordan Peterson
741. 45:51articulates it, but I think he misses the force
742. 45:54for the trees.
743. 45:55How so?
744. 45:56In that he sees Jesus as an archetype.
745. 45:59And I don't think actually even Jesus gives you
746. 46:01the opportunity to see him as the archetype.
747. 46:04Because I've this love-hate relationship
748. 46:06with all of Peterson's stuff,
749. 46:08because he seems to get so much right
750. 46:11where he walks up to the line,
751. 46:12but he doesn't want to cross over.
752. 46:14And is the cross over, you think connected
753. 46:16to a life in academia?
754. 46:18No, but what do you think it is?
755. 46:20I wonder, and I'd love to talk to him about this,
756. 46:22like how do you remedy this issue that,
757. 46:27Because he seems to think that the concept of Jesus as an example is more important than the actual flesh and blood,
758. 46:38first century itinerant Jewish preacher who was crucified and rose from the dead physically, which is the claim of the Gospels and the rest of the New Testament.
759. 46:47that that's an example for us to look on and live by.
760. 46:52But I actually think that Jesus condemns moralism.
761. 46:58And ultimately what I see Peterson doing is looking at Jesus
762. 47:02as a moral example.
763. 47:04And if Jesus is nothing but a moral example,
764. 47:06then you can save yourself and you don't actually need a savior.
765. 47:09And so I think actually Jesus would have critiqued that
766. 47:12because Jesus was very against moralism.
767. 47:15And Jesus was very against moralism.
768. 47:18You heard there just some of the components of the foundation of frankly, but the gospel
769. 47:22is that God the Son became flesh, lived a sinless life, went to the cross, not for his
770. 47:29own sin that he committed, but for the sins of all mankind, was crucified and resurrected
771. 47:35for us.
772. 47:36There was another clip I won't have time to get to, but it was amazing how Billy Carson
773. 47:41gave rise to Joe Rogan and you have one of the most prominent proclamations and defenses
774. 47:47of the faith that we'll probably see in a generation that came out of that. He goes on to explain
775. 47:54even further how Jesus critiqued moralism and how the law wasn't meant to be the mechanism
776. 48:00of salvation but to be a mirror to show us that we need a Savior. Praise God for West
777. 48:06Hough's defense of the faith.
778. 48:10The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
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