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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
0:24Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28and now the Hamilton Corner.
0:33Well good evening America, welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
0:36Alex McFarland here sitting in for attorney, broadcaster,
0:40pastor, journalist, Abe Hamilton III.
0:43We've got a great show.
0:44We really do later on in the program.
0:46We will meet with theologian and historian, Dr. Jerry Nukem,
0:50that is a close friend of AFR and the show.
0:54And we'll talk a little bit about Thanksgiving holiday
0:57coming up in the pilgrims.
0:58but also we'll get some of his thoughts about the passing
1:01of the first person that I ever interviewed on AFR
1:0616 years ago, and it was,
1:09I'm not gonna say it was an adversarial interview,
1:12but it was a bit of a debate,
1:14and it was Tony Campolo and myself,
1:16and he passed away, I don't know, 24 hours ago,
1:20and I'll talk about that, why I think it's significant,
1:24and why I think it's really a reminder
1:26be true to the Bible. But in this first half of the show, I'm very excited about the guest
1:32that we're going to visit with Jason Ho. And he is the author of a book called The Big
1:39Plot, The Return of the Phoenix. And I think the subtitle says it all, How China is Overtaking
1:46the U.S. by Network, Stealing, Influencing, Corrupting, and Crime. And as I bring this
1:54guest up. I'm reminded of C.S. Lewis. C.S. Lewis, as you may recall, he was a great
2:00apologist, defender of the faith. Well, Lewis was very famous for a lot of his books, like
2:05mere Christianity and the Chronicles of Narnia. But C.S. Lewis also wrote, kind of famously,
2:11a space trilogy. And you know, even though this was, Lewis died 61 years ago. He lived
2:181898 to 1963, but in that hideous strength and out of the silent planet in his science
2:29fiction work, Lewis talked about a time in the future where technology would rule people's
2:36minds and people would not be able to tell truth from fiction and really, whoever controlled
2:44the grid could control the narrative and control truth.
2:50And when you control how people think
2:52and what people are allowed to think,
2:54if you control what viewpoints are suppressed
2:57and what viewpoints are allowed to be expressed,
3:00you can control the lives of people.
3:04And you know, Lewis died way before the advent
3:08of the internet and certainly AI.
3:11But in a way, I think about how his warnings were really prophetic and others we could talk
3:17about were as well.
3:18But right now I want to bring our guest on Jason Ho and he has written a lot about AI
3:30and Bill Gates.
3:31November 1st of this year, just three weeks ago Bill Gates said that with the advent of
3:36AI, we would need to create new religions, new philosophies, man, ultimately ushering in
3:43utopia, which is false. But author, scholar Jason Ho, thank you for being with us on the
3:51Hamilton Corner, and thank you for availing the rest of us to your research. I look forward
3:58to getting to know you, Jason.
4:00I appreciate to have a chance to be here. I will be happy to discuss any topics you suggested.
4:06Well, give us a little bit of your background and not only your background, but what you
4:13see is the impact for good or bad, the impact of technology into our lives at this season
4:20of history.
4:21And myself, I was born Taiwan and I was the lead designer for joint strike fighter, the
4:31F-35 project of flight control and image display chips.
4:37I've been targeted at the first day I joined the program.
4:41I've been targeted at at least in Taiwan.
4:44I didn't know where.
4:45I thought Taiwan was on the US side, from education.
4:50We are trained.
4:51We learned we have to fight against the communist.
4:54So I believe I help in Taiwan is the best way
4:59to fight against communist and to keep the faith,
5:03because I was born in the Christian family.
5:05and my father was a general in the National List and he fought
5:11side by side with American during World War II.
5:13And so from my family influences, I thought and helping Taiwan is very critical.
5:20But I didn't know everything was a trap.
5:23And those Taiwanese elite actually, they are family members to the founder of the Communist Party members.
5:31and I've been trapped a little back to Taiwan,
5:34and they cannot stolen.
5:36So since then, now already 25 years,
5:40I'm still suffering their prosecutions.
5:43And that strengthens my faith,
5:46because that's only way,
5:47the only meaning I'm still here,
5:50standing still here can talk,
5:52and still can write books,
5:53still can try to use
5:55medical knowledge into the world to do something good.
5:58Wow, my goodness, my goodness.
6:03Talk to us if you would, Jason, and may God bless you and may God keep you safe.
6:08I am very honored to speak with you.
6:11But try to help Americans listening.
6:14Help us understand the threat of communism and the way that technology is actually being
6:21used as a tool to subvert the West and promote communism.
6:27China, the 5000 history is quite unique. I was born Taiwan, we've been sharing the Chinese
6:35story very well during our childhood. A lot of Westerners doesn't understand Chinese in 5000
6:43history. They really fought in the battlefield. They love to play chicks, they love to play games.
6:50In China, all the people in power always does a method.
6:55They can be your friend.
6:57Also, they can be your enemy.
6:59They play both sides.
7:01And always, the friendly side is the one that's showing you.
7:05So in this case,
7:07and China communists becoming a very obvious adversary
7:11to the US, but Taiwan, Taiwan elite,
7:15not the Taiwanese people, Taiwan elite.
7:18They actually playing the friends side
7:20be the American friend, be the Westerner friend,
7:24try to lure people and to come to the plate.
7:28Just like a fox come,
7:29how much they damage the Trump in the Wisconsin.
7:33Everyone they talk about fox come is a fraud,
7:35is a joke, but the Trump endorsed it.
7:38This is a very vivid example how Chinese play
7:42and also that's always the message I wanted to lead to people.
7:46And also let me say this from what I've learned,
7:50not only in my study of history, but in interviewing people,
7:54Brother Jason, the Chinese mindset is very patient
8:00and willing to invest long amounts of time
8:05to achieve objectives.
8:06Let me give you a case in point,
8:08because I think Americans view history very quickly
8:13with a short attention span.
8:15Many years ago, Henry Kissinger,
8:18who was a diplomat on behalf of America,
8:22was visiting with Cho in Lai.
8:25And they were talking, this would have been
8:28a very famous anecdote in the 1970s.
8:30And they were just talking about history
8:32in East and West and Europe and China.
8:35And Henry Kissinger asked Cho in Lai,
8:40what do you think of the French Revolution?
8:43And Cho in Lai said, it's too soon to tell.
8:47and of course two or two years ago.
8:50So help us understand that Chinese communism,
8:57in terms of incrementally slowly getting dominance
9:02over the West and the USA,
9:05they're patient and willing to be in this
9:09for the long term, aren't they?
9:12That's correct.
9:13My book just tried to expand people.
9:16How China Communist started almost no power,
9:21no resources, really the people to a regime
9:26or to an entity to an organization controlling the world.
9:29I tried to unveil and what's happening behind
9:33usually ignored and people not pay attention
9:37about the Chinese intention.
9:40So actually my father's teacher was joined
9:43like the founder of Chinese Communist Party
9:45because Zhonglai was a nationalist before his switch side to the communist.
9:52But in Chinese history, I wrote in my book, actually Zhonglai didn't switch.
9:58And a lot of people talk about that Zhonglai was nationalist, then switched to communist.
10:03This is a very common in China.
10:05That's my book one through and a lot of people.
10:09Zhonglai was very high level people of nationalist.
10:13He also was very high level people of communist.
10:17In Chinese, logic, there's no contradiction.
10:20American might think, oh, I'm Republican.
10:23I cannot support Democrats.
10:25Oh, I'm Democrats that cannot.
10:27And for any Republican and the strategies,
10:30but China is different.
10:32You can see one thing and the moon,
10:36and you can see another thing at the night.
10:39For example, Foxconn CEO, the Terrigor.
10:42And he mentioned at the morning,
10:45he interviewed by the Chinese media.
10:48He mentioned unification between Taiwan and China,
10:51actually important when he went back to Taiwan.
10:54Switch aside, he said, no,
10:56we must help Taiwan fight against communist.
11:00For Chinese people, for Chinese culture,
11:03there's nothing wrong.
11:04I don't think there's anything wrong.
11:06A lot of Taiwanese actually think
11:08Terrigal is a very, very, very powerful person because he can play both sides, he can talk
11:15both sides still, be a very powerful person.
11:18So that's very different Americans.
11:20So that's, I think, that's mentioned.
11:22That's what people didn't pay attention to or didn't notice that.
11:27Among not government leaders, but among the population, the general population, what percentage
11:36in China, if you can quantify this with a number, how many of the Chinese population
11:43would be Christian?
11:45This is a very sad story, and that's why I was sorry to talk a little bit different.
11:53I was almost pointing to and died 2019.
12:00I prayed at the church, and luckily I recovered, and definitely the community just didn't want
12:06me to survive.
12:08So that's my saddest part.
12:10When I look at those, I went to this many times, when I talk American elites, the Christian
12:15members and the time of 2019, when I start to contact them, it's about 80 million and
12:25Christians in China.
12:27Nowadays, I don't know.
12:29I don't know.
12:30Most church has been tuned down.
12:32And if you declare your question, you declare, and you face on Bible, you will be arrested
12:38in China.
12:39This is a thought crime.
12:41And I don't know how many women and probably a few million, but in public.
12:47Probably we cannot find anyone.
12:50A thought crime, you say.
12:52That's correct.
12:54Because this is a new God.
12:56And the new God is not people think it's communist.
12:59No, it's not so stupid.
13:01They won't make themselves a new god.
13:03Their new god is the globalist.
13:06So in my book, I want to call the people attention.
13:08You talk about the Kissinger.
13:10And after he went to China,
13:12this very important change happened.
13:14Then she'll be making an order to help to support
13:18the war to come before him and started.
13:21So China was funding him.
13:23Yeah.
13:24It would come before him.
13:25And so the new god is the new agenda.
13:30And they said the Great Reset, or they said it's a new word order.
13:35And that's new God that Chinese Communist want to push people to believe in.
13:41Behind closed doors among the Chinese leaders, what do you think their reaction to the election of Donald Trump has been?
13:50That's interesting, but always the one to tell people.
13:54And Chinese Communist, and there's no
13:57no formal study or there's no report, but the former understanding is about 17 factions.
14:06Chinese Communist is not a unity.
14:10I always say Chinese Communist is a paper tiger because inside there are so many conflicts.
14:16So many many many.
14:18So many factions, so many conflicts inside people didn't aware China actually paper tigers.
14:24The problem is I said America too many paper docs.
14:28So make a China look so strong.
14:31And unfortunately, I went to go buy the China.
14:34They are so afraid that they are so worried.
14:35They look at how they have the power of China.
14:37We've got a break.
14:39Forgive me, we've got a break.
14:40We're going to come back.
14:42Author, scholar, truth teller, Jason Ho.
14:48The website Techlium Inc., Techlium T-E-K-L-I-U-M Inc.
14:53Stay tuned, Alex MacFarlane here,
14:55more on the Hamilton Corner after this break.
14:58Don't go away.
15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
15:04Looking in the book of Romans, Romans 12,
15:07beginning at verse one.
15:09I beseech you there for brethren by the mercies of God,
15:12that you present your bodies a living sacrifice,
15:15holy, acceptable to God,
15:16which is your reasonable service.
15:19And do not be conformed to this world,
15:22but be transformed by the renewing of your mind,
15:25that you may prove what is that good and acceptable
15:27and perfect will of God.
15:30For I say through the grace given to me,
15:32to everyone who is among you,
15:33not to thank himself more highly than he ought to think,
15:36but to think soberly as God has dealt to each one,
15:38a measure of faith, and individually members of one another.
15:44Father, we thank you once again for the wisdom,
15:46the powerful grace, the powerful understanding,
15:49and insight that is ours,
15:50as we spend time with you one on one in your word,
15:53each and every day.
15:54We thank you.
15:55We praise you in Jesus' name.
15:57We do pray.
15:58Amen.
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17:06Shiting lightning to the darkness.
17:08This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
17:13Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarlane here.
17:16You know, it's always fascinating to hear people's stories
17:18and author, researcher, Jason Ho.
17:23I mean, his journey from Taiwan to the West to America
17:28is kind of like a movie script, really.
17:32And Jason, I wanna thank you for being with us.
17:34The website, TheBigPlot.us, for one of his books,
17:38TheBigPlot.us, fascinating content.
17:42You know, how the American people understand,
17:48you said something in the previous break
17:49that communism in China is not perhaps as strong as we might think because of the various factions,
17:58like 17 splinter groups. After that I was not aware of that. So it is not the monolith that many of us might assume.
18:08Is that correct?
18:09That's correct. As I mentioned, about the 50% communist, China communist elite,
18:17They have children.
18:19They are Americans.
18:21Always, this is very common in the Communist Party.
18:24They must have their children as American,
18:26because they don't have faith in their own country.
18:29Also, they don't have a faith.
18:31They can survive in their horrible struggle,
18:35in their very volatile and political environment.
18:40And this is something I hope Americans understand.
18:44actually they are very strong influence by the American. Also, they are very much following the
18:50chumps and chumps ideas. For all of its vast land size and all of the vast population and the
19:01technology and the money, I mean, there is among many westerners, myself included, I mean,
19:08there's the perception that China is the world superpower right now.
19:13Is that accurate?
19:17China is not as people think.
19:20China is just a shell.
19:23The shell seems so strong because the shell is not China.
19:27Mostly is Taiwan elites, like Taiwan's semiconductor,
19:31Taiwan IT industry, and also Taiwan intelligence community.
19:37People didn't notice that.
19:38They deeply infiltrate the Western intelligence and the communities to spread information to
19:46tell people how strong China is.
19:49In past four years, four million China companies bankrupt, medium-sized above, four million companies.
19:58In China, almost 30% people and on the age losing their jobs.
20:04Their society is not stable.
20:07The Chinese government run out of money.
20:09They use that shell to keep people think China's so strong.
20:13Even people, we don't follow closely
20:15where the money coming from
20:16and we say that China is very powerful country.
20:20Do you feel like the computer grids in America,
20:25not only just people's personal data,
20:29but even government classified information
20:33like the Pentagon has our grid
20:37and our digital assets been compromised by China.
20:42Definitely, because the American elite, I said,
20:44in China's paper tigers, we have so many paper dogs here.
20:49I love to serve the Chinese.
20:52And unfortunately, they can't show cloud,
20:55they can't show internet,
20:57they can't show information in Hollywood media.
21:00So give people image China is so wonderful, so powerful.
21:04They hide all the troubles each of China.
21:07They mislead people, misguided people,
21:09and think we had to be very careful of China.
21:12We have to trade very carefully.
21:14If we do something around China, super tall,
21:16can retaliate us.
21:17It's not the case, China very weak.
21:20Husband example, China is so proud of Husband,
21:23and they think they trained then.
21:25They helped them build tunnels.
21:27But how long does it take for Israel to do this on them?
21:30Just a few days.
21:32Do you feel like, to what degree, if any,
21:38are Chinese communists in a league with Islamic terrorists?
21:45And they tried quite every day, Kim,
21:48and the Chinese communist CVM,
21:51just the program manager, actually Chinese the owner,
21:55but when hospitals are being destroyed,
21:58This is a very terrible setback for the Chinese regime.
22:02The issue is, and the China deeply infiltrate
22:06through the big techs, through their friends
22:09in America and worldwide.
22:11And to understand every information we have,
22:16the nomator is classified non-classified.
22:19But Israel attack on hospital is a wake up call
22:22because Chinese realize based on their compromised data
22:26analysis, they cannot know the events to have Hasabala to be prepared for Israel attack.
22:32So I think wind is changing now.
22:36So fascinating.
22:39The big plot that U.S., the website for your book, what is the premise of your book?
22:45And this is the book one I talk about the Return of the Phoenix.
22:49Phoenix is very important.
22:50very important symbol for China is a powerful help to decivilize the humanity. So this first
22:58book I talked about from the early 1900s, how the Communist Party formed until year 2000,
23:06and their plan to decivilize the world. And probably people can find many similarities
23:12what have happened in China. Now it's happening worldwide today through the book.
23:16And how many volumes are there in your books?
23:22And there will be two more volumes
23:24and I'm keep writing it and hopefully
23:28and I will have every year have the next book available.
23:34You're out of Taiwan, you're an American citizen.
23:39Do you ever look over your shoulder
23:42and feel like though you're being surveilled
23:46or you're being followed or watched?
23:49I'm terribly terribly and under the heavy surveillance.
23:54And every day there's thousands of negative internet posts
24:01against me, talk about what I'm doing.
24:05They're always strangers, so they're outside my door.
24:08I've been kidnapped twice, gone shot at twice,
24:12and I've been wrongfully arrested, almost dying jail, and I almost poisoned in 2019.
24:19So I have an imaginable turbulence life, turbulent life.
24:26Well, we need to keep you in prayer and may God keep you safe. One last question and we're
24:32going to have to change gears. Has the current DOJ been compromised by influence or operatives
24:42from China. I believe they are more not in the DOJ also they are more in the RIS that's what I've
24:51encountered. My case has been presented by the intelligence community to the FBI but they just
24:58and close the case with so the overwhelming evidence about those people and the compromised
25:05the US security. So as Joe Biden transitions out, Donald Trump and his cabinet are inaugurated,
25:17come January. Are there still moles at various parts of the government, in your opinion?
25:24I think China have moles on both sides. That's the problem for the Chinese Communist Party.
25:31They are paper tigers, but the problem is not very smart. They won't put a mole on the one
25:35They were put on both sides.
25:38And so my book is tried to disclose who are moles.
25:42Okay.
25:43The big plot.
25:46That is correct.
25:48Okay.
25:49So folks, fascinating.
25:50I'm wanting to read this myself.
25:53Where are the moles?
25:54Who are the moles?
25:56It's in the bigplot.us, that book.
26:00Well, Jason Ho, I want to thank you for being with us.
26:06I think this will be the first of many conversations.
26:11Godspeed, be safe, stand strong, my brother.
26:16Yes, I just hope my prayer is I can deliver God's word
26:19through my books.
26:20I want to wake up.
26:22People understand the challenges, understand.
26:25They will prevail.
26:27Indeed, indeed, God bless you.
26:29Thank you so much.
26:30Well, folks, Alex McFarland here,
26:31we're gonna change gears in just a moment.
26:34We've got a guest coming up, Dr. Jerry Nukem,
26:36historian, author, broadcaster that you're familiar with him, I know. I want to give a big shout
26:43out to the Cove. That's where I was today. And you know, this week, November 18-25 is the
26:50pickup weeks for Operation Christmas Child and the shoeboxes, OCC, Samaritan's Purse. And
26:56I was in a board meeting at the Cove earlier today and Will Graham, son of Franklin Graham,
27:02talking about the 4500 drop-off locations. And let me encourage you if you haven't packed
27:08a shoebox for a child, a toy, maybe some hygiene items, but these go around the world with the
27:15gospel and please pray and participate in Operation Christmas Child. We hardly endorse
27:20it. I want to encourage people also to check out my own website which is AlexMcFarlane.com.
27:26There are a lot of articles that I write for many, many websites, town hall, Epoch Times,
27:32Daily Caller, American Family Association, The Stand, and a couple of things I would make
27:37you aware of.
27:40The Cove, the Billy Graham Training Center in Western North Carolina.
27:43I'll be there next summer twice.
27:46I've been there for 20 summers, but next summer I'm doing two.
27:50Now July 18th through 20, I'll be teaching the book of Job at the Cove.
27:54Why do the righteous suffer?
27:56then I'll also be doing, at the end of July and the first of August, an apologetic seminar
28:02with J. Warner Wallace, Jim Wallace, the famed Los Angeles homicide detective, became a great
28:08Christian defender of the faith. He and I are going to be doing what we call IBT, intensive
28:14Bible training on apologetics. And the website is thecove.org, T-H-E-C-O-V-E, thecove.org.
28:24And sign up a trip to the Cove, you'll never forget it, it's amazing, be a great Christmas
28:29gift and I would love to be able to both times when I go there to teach the Bible and when
28:35I go there to teach apologetics to pack the place and would love to see you there.
28:41Well, right now I'm going to bring up from the Providence Forum and D. James Kennedy
28:45Ministries, a long time friend and colleague, Dr. Jerry Newcomb.
28:49A couple of things I want to talk about, not the list of which is the documentary on the
28:54pilgrims that we, a couple of years ago, I think probably in about 2022, we got a copy of this.
29:03And I showed it twice in Greensboro, almost packed a church on two consecutive Wednesday
29:10nights.
29:11It's amazing.
29:12But Dr. Jerry Nukem, are you there my friend?
29:15Yes.
29:17Oh, yeah.
29:18Well, thanks for...
29:19Dr. Jeremy.
29:20evening and thanks for being with us doctor
29:23sure thank you
29:24yet there's several things i want to run by you but before we get into it
29:28uh... too much i want you to give your website the documentaries
29:31uh... in addition to the pilgrims documentary what are some of the other
29:35films you've created with the providence form
29:39yes i have created a whole series of
29:43seven
29:44films on america's dureo christian roots
29:48and i call it the foundation of american liberty
29:51uh... films
29:52uh... american and basically with somebody asked well what's the foundation of
29:56american liberty and the answer is are to do christian heritage
30:00and so these films that the first one by the way in the whole seven part
30:04series and they all stand alone in the words you could see one
30:08and you don't need to see the other if you see
30:11episode two you don't have to have seen episode one to understand things
30:15but basically I go from the pilgrims to city on a hill
30:19to the Bible and education,
30:21that episode I called the beginning wisdom,
30:24that I deal with the road to independence,
30:26George Washington, endowed by their creator,
30:29which is all about the Declaration of Independence,
30:31and then also we the people.
30:33And the goal was to basically show
30:36that the Judeo-Christian tradition had a lot to do
30:39with the founding of America,
30:41when you really get back
30:43uh... you know to
30:45to uh...
30:46you know that especially during the settling era but even during the founding
30:50era
30:51a lot of people want to say well
30:53okay we agree that the pilgrims in the puritan and the quakers or whatever
30:57founded these different early settlements
31:00but by the time you get to the founding fathers these were
31:04then that basically
31:05uh... were
31:07non-believers for all practical purposes
31:10and Christianity and the Bible didn't influence
31:13their thinking and it's actually not true.
31:16There were some with some questionable views religiously
31:20but even they were a lot closer to a biblical perspective
31:27on government than what they're giving credit for.
31:30Yeah, indeed, indeed.
31:33With Thanksgiving just a week from Thursday,
31:36I wanna talk about the pilgrims for just a moment.
31:39I also want to solicit your thoughts
31:42about some of the current theological landscape
31:46we find ourselves in,
31:47but where can people find the videos?
31:50And folks, again, I cannot overstate
31:52how powerful the pilgrims documentary is.
31:56Like I say, our ministry showed it in Greensboro,
32:00my hometown.
32:01We promoted and got huge audiences both nights.
32:06We showed it and just glowing reviews,
32:08But Dr. Nukem, where can people find these videos?
32:13At ProvidenceForum.org, ProvidenceForum.org.
32:19And the name of the series is the foundation
32:22of American liberty.
32:26Why should Thanksgiving be very significant
32:30and near and dear to the hearts of all Americans,
32:34but especially Christian Americans?
32:38Well, I think as a starting point,
32:40it's actually just an annual reminder of our Christian roots.
32:45I mean, thanksgiving is in reference to God,
32:49setting aside a day, theoretically,
32:52for Americans to give thanks to God
32:54because of his blessings in us becoming a nation.
32:58And the tradition we have, of course,
33:00is in the mold of the pilgrims.
33:04Believe it or not, before they even came,
33:06year before they even came there was a Thanksgiving proclamation in Jamestown.
33:11You know, again, Thanksgiving to God. Then by the time you get to the founding
33:18fathers during the time of the American War for Independence and so forth, the
33:23Continental Congress declared Thanksgiving, days of Thanksgiving. George
33:29Washington, our first president under the U.S. Constitution, was the first to
33:34declare a national day of Thanksgiving.
33:37And that's it for today.
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34:46Welcome back to the program.
34:47Alex McFarland here, talking with Dr. Jerry Nukem.
34:50I would encourage you to go back AFR.net as in American Family Radio.net and listen again
34:57to the first half of the show as well.
35:01Taiwanese refugee almost, American citizen Jason Ho, author of The Big Plot, very insightful,
35:11So is our current friend with whom we visit Dr. Jerry Newcomb.
35:16And Dr. Newcomb, before the break, we were talking about the pilgrims and the pilgrim video.
35:23And I want you to finish any thoughts on that.
35:25But I want to segue for the time we have left and talk about worldview,
35:29and how one's beliefs about God and morals, and especially even about history,
35:38how, as R.C. Sproul would say, ideas have consequences.
35:43We'll get there.
35:44But continue the thought about the Pilgrim's video
35:48and how the founders were not deists, not secularists,
35:54like people thought.
35:55They really did infuse our founding principles
35:59with biblical truths by design.
36:02And we should not forget that, but continue, please.
36:07Sure. So in one of the things I show or try to, you know, bring home in the Pilgrim's
36:14video is that when the Pilgrims were blown off course in 1620, in the voyage of the Mayflower,
36:25and they had had a few strangers that they had hired that were sympathetic to their goal
36:31to create this Bible commonwealth, in the new world, this Bible-based colony.
36:38But since they were blown off course, they were not under any government's jurisdiction.
36:43The permission they had from the authorities in England to create this colony, that permission
36:52did not apply because they were in uncharted territory, or not uncharted territory, but
36:58territory that they weren't officially allowed to
37:01so
37:03what the pilgrims and of the doing is they created world history
37:06they made an agreement
37:08for self-government under god
37:10it's called the may flower compact and it became the first step
37:14ultimately
37:15in the american experiment of creating
37:18uh...
37:20the declaration of independence
37:22and the constitution on hundred and fifty years later
37:25In other words, an agreement for self-government under God, the consent of the governed, which
37:31the men would sign, which is the custom of the day.
37:35And this is really an amazing thing because basically what they did was they applied the
37:39biblical concept of covenant to create their colony.
37:45And then after them, lots of Puritan colonies that were created in the Quakers and later
37:51the Presbyterians and so forth did the same thing.
37:54In other words, the biblical concept of covenant ultimately gave rise to the American Constitution.
38:02And so this is a really important point brought out in this series of specials.
38:08And I was so pleased with the different guests that we had, but in the example of the pilgrims
38:13video, they're the ones that really started that process in the capital of the Mayflower,
38:19in the name of God, Amen, having undertaken a voyage for the glory of God and the advancement
38:24of the Christian faith.
38:26You know, this is what they created.
38:28And so in our series on the Christian faith
38:32and the role it played in America,
38:35we have all kinds of different guests,
38:36such as Dennis Prager,
38:38Oz Guinness, Eric Mataksis, John Eidsmoke, Al Beisner,
38:41Gives Peter Lilback, Father Leon Hutton,
38:46the late Walter Williams, Marshall Foster Daniel,
38:49drives back, Darrell White, and so forth.
38:51So I was very, very pleased the way this all came together.
38:56Sure.
38:57You know, all those names you mentioned, including Dennis Prager, it's been my privilege to interview
39:02all of those people, and maybe one or two at most I haven't interviewed.
39:07But this is just an all-star cast of great thinkers and analysts.
39:12And you know, I've got to ask you this, okay, you know, November 5th was kind of a windfall
39:21for those of us that are Christian constitutionalists, we care about America,
39:27kind of reminded me, Jerry, do you remember back when Reagan was running for reelection, the 84
39:33election? And I mean, it was a Republican sweep from coast to coast, really. And I remember a very
39:41rabbled Dan Rather, he said, this is a fairytale night for Republicans. I mean, it was like that.
39:48that. You know, with the prospect, or should I say the threat of Kamala Harris and socialists,
39:58you know, taking over our government and the imposition of transgender ideology and viewpoint
40:05suppression. And suddenly, you know, election night brought overwhelming good news for those
40:12of us that love God in country. Here's my question. Do you feel like is it too much of
40:18a stretch to say God intervened? I mean, July 13th, Donald Trump could have been killed
40:25and he wasn't. I mean, that bullet missed his skull by millimeters. And so Trump was spared.
40:33He was spared again in Florida. He won by 10 million votes. Is it fair to say God has
40:41given america a second chance
40:46i think so but i also think
40:48it's it
40:50first of all i'm very happy
40:52about this because i i don't like the way
40:55the the whole byd and here's uh...
40:58you know administration was taking the country
41:01in you know
41:02even in terms of everything the illegal
41:05immigrants the
41:07cancel culture the transgender agenda all those different things
41:12a promotion of abortion. It's almost as if Kamala Harris' big campaign promise was vote
41:19for me and I'll make sure that abortion is allowed up to the moment of birth. And she even was asked,
41:26well, what about, you know, let's say, Catholic institutions, Catholic hospitals that don't
41:32want to do abortions? And she said that there should be no restrictions on abortions. And
41:36So implied in what she was offering was that there would be no conscience rights for those
41:42who disagree with abortion.
41:45So all of a sudden you're saying a Catholic hospital or Baptist hospital for that matter
41:49would have to do abortions against their conscience.
41:52I mean America was founded for conscience rights.
41:55So this is really critical.
41:58Yes, I feel very happy about this and I would add to it, we absolutely need a spiritual transformation.
42:06We need to add to it that the people themselves need to be moral.
42:11As John Adams put it, our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
42:17It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
42:21And so in the ultimate sense, revival is the key.
42:26And more people are truly getting saved.
42:30I'm not happy that abortion as an issue.
42:34almost like the pro-life side of things as well. We'll just deal with that later. But
42:40between the two, one was radically pro-abortion in every way. The other was at least allowing
42:48some common sense restrictions on the abortion. Anyway, but the need ultimately is a change in
42:56transformation of the heart and the hearts of the people. But overall, it was a refreshing thing.
43:03And by the way, I was there in the place in Palm Beach County, just one hour north of here.
43:12I didn't stay up all night and waiting till Trump came to give his speech,
43:20but it was very electric. And I saw a video later and I was like, oh, I recognize the room.
43:26Oh, there was the lady that took my ID and let me in because I saw her with a distinct dress or
43:33or whatever, and this impromptu singing of how great that was in the hallway.
43:40Really?
43:41See, I did stay up.
43:43I stayed up until 3.45 watching all of that.
43:47Yeah.
43:49So you were there, shame on you.
43:51You were there and you didn't stay to the very end.
43:55Well, I told my wife later, oh, somebody had told me, you know, this is how it would
43:59have turned out.
44:00to get from red bull or coffee or Coca-Cola or something.
44:06But, so there was this impromptu singing of how great that art.
44:13Yeah.
44:14That's a viral video.
44:16If you just googled how great that art, Trump, or what was the date?
44:24It technically was November 6 and the wee hours of the morning.
44:27It would have been in the wee hours.
44:28You know what, Jerry, I was at the RNC convention in Milwaukee.
44:33I was up there with the Wisconsin Family Policy Council
44:36and Charlie Kirk.
44:37We spoke to a lot of youth.
44:40It was like that folks, I will say this,
44:43the RNC way back in August.
44:46I mean, it was like a revival meeting.
44:48I mean, you could not go into the vestibule of the,
44:53it was a big colosseum, like 20,000 people there,
44:56but like anytime day or night, if you went out into the lobby,
45:01there were prayer groups and I was walking around
45:04and you were hearing people, yeah, they were praying for America,
45:07they were praying for revival.
45:09And I was over hearing people pray for lost people.
45:14And look, I get it, my hope is not in a political party.
45:19My hope is in the dear Lord Jesus Christ.
45:22But Dr. Nunez, I think the Spirit of God is moving
45:25in this country.
45:27And you could speak to this far better than I,
45:30but when revival comes, yes, it touches the church house
45:35and it touches families,
45:37but when a real move of God's Holy Spirit permeates a nation,
45:41it touches the social fabric too, doesn't it?
45:45Oh, absolutely.
45:47And in fact, you could argue,
45:50and I think this is true,
45:52that the first great awakening,
45:55which was a spiritual move up and down the Atlantic coast
45:59in the 1730s, beginning in the 1730s in Massachusetts
46:03with Jonathan Edwards then spread around the whole,
46:07the rest of the colonies through George Whitfield
46:11and other preachers, but George Whitfield in particular,
46:14that helped create the United States
46:19as a united nation.
46:21And then with the second grade away thing,
46:24which happened in the early 1800s,
46:27that move really helped to prick people's conscience
46:32and work against slavery.
46:37We're almost out of time,
46:39two quick things first quickly and then not so quickly,
46:42your website.
46:44And folks, let me encourage you,
46:45the Pilgrim's documentary,
46:46it's phenomenal,
46:48everything Providence Forum does
46:49is absolutely excellent but where may people are you're very kind of
46:54yeah
46:55sure at at at providence form dot org
46:59providence form dot org and it's under the the the first main
47:04uh... post there
47:06is all about the foundation of american liberty series and the first one of
47:11those is the pilgrims
47:12and it's interesting
47:14uh... alex and so we have a uh... a nation with the short attention span
47:19I decided to basically carve up this information into short little videos that can be shared
47:25on YouTube and I have them all listed out again at the providenceforum.org. So for example,
47:31I took the pilgrims and carved it into little segments, understanding the pilgrims,
47:35where they just got into diversity in England, persecution of the pilgrims, the pilgrims on the
47:39move preparing for the voyage, the voyage of the Mayflower, the Mayflower Compact, surviving the winter,
47:44the Pilgrim's Progress. So in other words, you can just watch these and, you know, get the
47:51gist of it. But I also, there's a link to it where you just watch it right there on your computer or
47:57you could get a DVD if you wish, or you could get it through streaming through salenow.com.
48:05It's even translated into Chinese as in using subtitles because a friend from Taiwan saw
48:15it and said, oh, the Chinese people need to see this because this is the beginning of
48:21the story of America or the story of the beginning of America.
48:26And people need to know that this is all about the Christian roots of America.
48:32So, anyway, I thought that was really important to do.
48:37Well done, brother.
48:39So, worldview, we've only got another minute and a half,
48:44and this could be an hour long show.
48:47Give us a challenge on why it's important
48:50for churches, Bible studies, families,
48:54to teach worldview, biblical worldview,
48:58to children coming up.
48:59Well, yeah sure, let me say this, before Jesus ascended into heaven when he gave the great
49:08commission, he said, all of 40 in heaven and earth has been given to me.
49:15Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations and teach them everything that I've
49:20taught you.
49:21I mean, that's not all of those words, but that's the whole point.
49:25But here's the thing, Jesus Christ is the Lord and he has the authority over everything.
49:34And because he's Lord of all, everything we do, we should be applying the Lord to the
49:40great issues of the day.
49:42There's a Christian perspective on economics.
49:45There's a Christian perspective on music and arts.
49:49There's a Christian perspective on government and law.
49:52education when you look at education what's best in the west you know I'm so
49:59so we're almost out of time forgive me for steamrolling over you folks this has
50:03been the Hamilton corner with the Alex McFarland hey listen again at aFR.net
50:07God bless you and God bless America. The views and opinions expressed in this
50:13broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family Association
50:17or American Family Radio.

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