("Best-of" Edition from 10/31/25) Heidi Olson, Founder and President of Paradigm Shift, steps into “The Corner.”

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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
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11. 0:33Good evening, everyone.
12. 0:34Welcome to the Hamilton Corner.
13. 0:35My name is Abraham Hamilton III.
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15. 0:41We're ready to rock and roll with today's edition
16. 0:43of the program.
17. 0:44Now, I'm going to say this.
18. 0:45I don't, you know, most of you have been listening
19. 0:48and watching the show for a while.
20. 0:49And so you know, I don't say this often.
21. 0:53I don't think I've ever said it.
22. 0:54And if I did, it hasn't been more than once or twice.
23. 0:59Maybe three times.
24. 1:00Maybe I'm not sure.
25. 1:02But I want to encourage you to listen to this program.
26. 1:06And if you are a parent or a grandparent, an aunt or an uncle, anybody who interacts with children,
27. 1:19I want to encourage you to tune in to this program and to prepare yourself now after you have listened
28. 1:25to share it with as many people as you can.
29. 1:30Because what we're going to get into during today's show is going to be startling for some of you.
30. 1:39It's going to be shocking for some of you is going to be
31. 1:45confirmatory because some of you have been involved in situations
32. 1:50where you've experienced things like this but you weren't necessarily aware of how prevalent
33. 1:55this phenomenon is, and so is going to be heavy.
34. 2:07But it's important for people to know this information.
35. 2:10But before we get too far into that,
36. 2:12at this very moment, many of you, if not most of you,
37. 2:14are making your transition from your part-time jobs,
38. 2:16where you generate an income,
39. 2:18to your full-time jobs where you cultivate an outcome.
40. 2:20And I want to challenge you and encourage you
41. 2:23to do so with intentionality.
42. 2:27Every day that passes, every minute as the clock takes down,
43. 2:33and you know, it's so funny.
44. 2:35Some people today don't even know how to read
45. 2:36standard clocks because of the combination
46. 2:41of the prevalence of digital timekeeping
47. 2:44and the kind of dumbing down of our society.
48. 2:50But we must work while it is done.
49. 2:52We must take advantage of the time that God has given us
50. 2:56to be about our father's business.
51. 2:58Because what goes on in your house is far more important than what goes on in the White House.
52. 3:03Far more important because you and I are directly accountable to God and responsible for what is immediately within our power.
53. 3:14If you have been investing yourself in your homes, please do not get weary and well doing.
54. 3:25I say this often and simply because it's true.
55. 3:28the grace of God is sufficient and covers all manner of sin, but sin has varied
56. 3:34consequences in time. One of the real sobering considerations that we must
57. 3:42embrace is that we don't get to repeat our children's formative years. I've said
58. 3:51before many of you know I have two teenagers in my home now. We have six
59. 3:57children, Marie and I have six children, six and holding for now it looks like.
60. 4:03But we're open to more having more we are
61. 4:06It would be a great blessing from God. I'd be excited if we had another baby
62. 4:11But I don't get to go back, you know my oldest my oldest boy is 14 now. I don't get to go back now and do
63. 4:18Ages six through eight. I don't get to do that over again. I just don't want you to be in a position where you
64. 4:25Sit and reflect and say man. I wish I would have I wish I would have now. I now I see where I missed it
65. 4:32My hope in encouraging you daily is that we minimize the quantity of people that will have the,
66. 4:39I wish I would have disposition.
67. 4:41You know, and for those you're no longer in the stage, the life stage where you have young
68. 4:47children in your home, man, take advantage of where you are now.
69. 4:53One of the most enduring considerations we must have is that God is sovereign over when
70. 4:58and where you obtain the revelation that you have.
71. 5:01So my exhortations here are not for you to embrace any level of unbiblical, sinful condemnation,
72. 5:08but to recognize, man, this is where I am now.
73. 5:12So if you're in a place where you're like, man, I wasn't able to do it with my children,
74. 5:15but I want to make sure my grandchildren haven't.
75. 5:17Man, be about that life.
76. 5:20Be about that life.
77. 5:22Pray for your grands.
78. 5:24Love on your grands.
79. 5:25Love on your children.
80. 5:26Pray for your children.
81. 5:32Because the family is central to God's plan and we will never be able to remedy the deficiencies
82. 5:41that abound in the whole.
83. 5:43Politics is not going to do it.
84. 5:45Politics is important.
85. 5:46It has its role, but it's not going to replace what's supposed to happen in the family.
86. 5:52Congressional legislation is not going to do it.
87. 5:54It's important it has its role, but it's not going to replace the deficiencies that abound
88. 5:58from the family and abound in the family.
89. 6:02The church is not going to do it.
90. 6:03This is what people need to understand.
91. 6:05The scripture teaches that the primary one's responsible for the evangelization and the
92. 6:10disciple, the discipling of the children or the parents.
93. 6:15The church is not institutionally capable of doing what family is supposed to accomplish.
94. 6:22It can help it's a support, but it's not a replacement.
95. 6:28Let's be about our Father's businessman.
96. 6:30To the Word of God we go, 1 Timothy, chapter 4.
97. 6:341 Timothy, chapter 4.
98. 6:36embrace what I'm saying, one of the things that needs to happen in our society, and
99. 6:43that needs to happen among the believer, is that we must have a radical biblical
100. 6:48recalibration across the board to say it differently that radical biblical
101. 6:54recalibration is Romans 1212. Refuse it to be conformed to the world, but being
102. 6:58transformed by the renewing of our minds. The primary vehicle of that
103. 7:02transformation is the word of God illuminated to our hearts and minds by
104. 7:06the spirit of God. We have to stop going along to get along, man, allowing the world to set
105. 7:14the standard for us as to what we expect and as to what we embrace as normal. Because for
106. 7:21the believer, peculiarity is supposed to be normal. The world is going to world, but
107. 7:30the followers of the way, the followers of the way of Messiah should be peculiar. First
108. 7:37Timothy chapter four, we have a source, or should say, an articulation of the type of
109. 7:42radical recalibration as necessary. Paul and writing in Timothy who out by way of
110. 7:49reminder in the book of Acts 14, 15, 16 where Paul first meets Timothy after
111. 7:58Timothy's grandmother and his mother had invested in him as much as they could.
112. 8:02God had an apostle Paul to come in and continue to pour in into disciple
113. 8:09Timothy who ultimately becomes an elder in the Lord's church at Ephesus. But Paul
114. 8:15says this to Timothy in verse 12, first Timothy chapter 4 verse 12, he says this,
115. 8:22let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, in conduct, love, faith,
116. 8:36and purity show yourself an example of those who believe. I'm going to read that again.
117. 8:44Let no one look down on your youthfulness, but rather in speech, conduct, love, faith,
118. 8:51and purity show yourself an example of those who believe.
119. 8:59For so long, we as human kind, and particularly in modern American society, and I would include
120. 9:08in that professing believers, we have left room in our expectation for youthfulness to
121. 9:15to be synonymous with full heartiness,
122. 9:18to be synonymous with an ignorance and a foolishness,
123. 9:25and a palpable evident lack of wisdom.
124. 9:30But I would simply say, is that what the scripture says?
125. 9:32Is should be normative?
126. 9:34Now, I know what we experience,
127. 9:38but the reality is we experience lots of things
128. 9:40in the world that shouldn't be normative for the believer.
129. 9:42In the world, hormunging is normative.
130. 9:46Lusfulness is normative, greed is normative,
131. 9:49covetousness is normative.
132. 9:51That shouldn't be normative for the household of faith.
133. 9:57In the world, youthfulness being synonymous
134. 10:00in many areas, in many ways, with full-hardiness
135. 10:03and a lack of wisdom and given to folly,
136. 10:08those things are normative in the world,
137. 10:09but should that be our expectation?
138. 10:12In the household of faith, I would simply say no.
139. 10:15Here you have the Apostle Paul saying to Timothy that Timothy should not make room for
140. 10:22him within himself for people around him to look down upon him because of his youthfulness.
141. 10:30Let no one look down upon you.
142. 10:32Well, some translations will say, let no one despise your youthfulness, but rather,
143. 10:39which means in contrast, in contrast to your youthfulness being conflated with a worldly
144. 10:46expectation. Rather, you, youthful Christ follower, you should show yourself an example
145. 10:56of what it looks like to be in Christ. Now, let's just pause and chew on that for a moment.
146. 11:03How often do we consider that youthfulness for Christ followers should be conflated,
147. 11:10it should be synonymous with, and this is an example of authentic Christ following. Is
148. 11:16that our expectation, that our young ones will be examples of what authentic Christ following,
149. 11:22what it looks like, or have we been conformed to the world's expectation?
150. 11:31You know, it shouldn't be lost on us that whenever you've had major movements throughout
151. 11:37history, they're always driven by younger people.
152. 11:40Isn't that amazing?
153. 11:45And often it is younger people who have a potency and a zeal, but with a lack of corporal wisdom
154. 11:52that are often manipulated to use the potency and zeal
155. 11:54that is really God-given, but use it for wicked purposes.
156. 11:58Well, what if we, as the body of Christ,
157. 12:01embrace what God says should be normative for younger people,
158. 12:05but we are also invested in equipping our younger people
159. 12:10with wisdom, to where we set the expectation
160. 12:13within ourselves first, and we set the expectation
161. 12:15within them that you, in your youthful state,
162. 12:18you should live in such a way where you are an example
163. 12:21of what authentic Christ following should look like.
164. 12:24And then Paul didn't leave it to that general consideration.
165. 12:27He said that you should be an example
166. 12:29to those around you of what a believer looks like
167. 12:31in areas like speech.
168. 12:34Your speech should be indicative
169. 12:35of what authentic Christ following should look like.
170. 12:38I had a conversation with some young people just this week
171. 12:41because you know there's a trend that's been going on
172. 12:42for a little while of this kind of brain rot expression,
173. 12:45six seven, six seven.
174. 12:48You know, when there's a young believer,
175. 12:49I just simply asked him,
176. 12:50Why are you repeating that?
177. 12:53Where did that come from?
178. 12:55He said, you know, it's just fun and it's just cool.
179. 12:57I said, well, would it be cool if I said one, two?
180. 13:01Would it be cool if I said 13, 14?
181. 13:03He said, no, that's cringey.
182. 13:04I said, oh, it's cringey.
183. 13:06What makes it cringey?
184. 13:08And then I asked this question,
185. 13:09who sets the standard for what is cool and what is cringey?
186. 13:15See you, young brother,
187. 13:17and if someone was a young man, I said,
188. 13:18God has given you the capacity and the personality
189. 13:21and the influence with your peers
190. 13:23where you are a leader.
191. 13:25You shouldn't be limited to following trends.
192. 13:28God has put you in a position where you lead in such a way,
193. 13:30and the way you lead will actually become
194. 13:32trend setting within your peer group.
195. 13:35And I brought him to this scripture.
196. 13:37I said, you should be an example of those who believe
197. 13:40starting with how you use your words.
198. 13:43You could use your words for foolhardy, useless banter,
199. 13:51but what you ultimately end up doing is you reduce
200. 13:53the potency of your witness.
201. 13:55so that when you speak, people have an expectation that its fulllessness is going to come out
202. 14:00as opposed to something substantive.
203. 14:02But if you reserve your words for substantive engagement, you know, carry it, walk softly,
204. 14:06but carry a big stick, then when you open your mouth, you'll be regarded with a bit more
205. 14:10gravity.
206. 14:12In your youthfulness, verse 12 goes on, that you can be an example of those who are authentic
207. 14:18Christ followers in your conduct, when you conduct yourself, your behavior, in your love,
208. 14:25in your faith, in your purity.
209. 14:29Guys, we must have a radical biblical recalibration
210. 14:33because the biblical expectation is that Christ followers
211. 14:38who are youthful, they are to be examples
212. 14:42to what authentic Christ following looks like
213. 14:44in speech and conduct and love and faith and in purity.
214. 14:49Purity is not merely abstaining.
215. 14:52Purity drives toward the heart condition
216. 14:55as we conduct ourselves with Holy Spirit and do self-control.
217. 15:01This weekend on The Stand Radio, Isabella McMillan tells what it was like growing up in communist
218. 15:06Romania before her life was changed by Jesus.
219. 15:10The biggest thing the government was controlling and making sure of is that God's name was not
220. 15:15known in our country.
221. 15:17So saying the name of God out loud or owning a Bible, those were the kind of things that
222. 15:21would literally cost your life.
223. 15:24The Stand Radio, Saturdays at 4 and Sundays at 8 p.m. Central on AFR.
224. 15:29Shiting Light into the Darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner, an American Family Radio.
225. 15:41Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton III here.
226. 15:44Guys, I am delighted to have on the program someone with me.
227. 15:47And as I told you before, you want to listen to this episode, you want to share it with your
228. 15:51friends, family and loved ones.
229. 15:53The conversation we're about to have on today's program is very weighty, very heavy.
230. 15:58And I want to offer this disclaimer, especially for our younger listeners, please ask your parents
231. 16:03permission before you listen to this program.
232. 16:05Parents be advised.
233. 16:06This is one you want to tune into before you allow your children here.
234. 16:09I want to introduce my guest.
235. 16:13Guest who is the founder and president of Paradigm Shift, which Paradigm Shift training and consulting,
236. 16:21which equips healthcare workers with skills-based training to be able to identify human trafficking
237. 16:26and exploitation.
238. 16:27She has a wide range of experience in pediatric and forensic nursing and has taught as an adjunct
239. 16:32professor for several universities.
240. 16:35She previously managed the SANE program at Children's Mercy, Kansas City, where she performed
241. 16:41or reviewed over 1,500 pediatric forensic exams.
242. 16:44Many of them trafficked cases.
243. 16:46She communicated with law enforcement, child protective services, and a large multidisciplinary
244. 16:50team as well as educated hundreds of staff members on relevant topics concerning sexual
245. 16:55violence.
246. 16:56She also has served as an expert witness for the prosecution doing trials for victims of
247. 17:01sexual assault.
248. 17:02And for those who may not be aware, saying S-A-N-E is an acronym for sexual assault nurse
249. 17:07examiner.
250. 17:08And my guest right now, the founder and president of Paradigm Shift, is Heidi Olson.
251. 17:15Heidi, thank you so much for joining me on the program.
252. 17:18Absolutely my pleasure.
253. 17:20Thanks for having me.
254. 17:21Oh, I mean this with everything in me.
255. 17:24The pleasure is truly mine.
256. 17:26of the most important aspects of who you are to me as you're coming on the program is that
257. 17:32you're a sister in Christ and you have dedicated yourself to serving our Lord and exalting him
258. 17:38through your professional engagement.
259. 17:40So I personally appreciate that and I know our audience does as well.
260. 17:44Thank you so much for that.
261. 17:45I guess I'd like to start it.
262. 17:47We can start here.
263. 17:48Would you just share a little bit about how the Lord drew you to himself to become a Christ
264. 17:52follower?
265. 17:53I was blessed to grow up in a home where both of my parents were Christian.
266. 17:58So I heard about Jesus and the gospel my whole life.
267. 18:03I would say probably I really believed it when I was probably around five.
268. 18:10And you know, as life goes, it's never just this straightforward journey.
269. 18:16So I grew up absolutely going to church.
270. 18:19I went to a Christian school.
271. 18:21So I knew all of the things about the Bible.
272. 18:25I believed in Jesus, but life is not that simple,
273. 18:29straight forward.
274. 18:30So I experienced quite a bit of trauma when I was in college.
275. 18:35And the way the church handled that was so deeply painful
276. 18:40and traumatizing.
277. 18:42I did not know how to reconcile those two things.
278. 18:44So here at the age of two, I'm like,
279. 18:46I've experienced all this pain,
280. 18:48all of these things that I don't know how to make sense of.
281. 18:50and I'm not getting any support from my community.
282. 18:54Why do you live with the tension of those two things?
283. 18:56And so in my 20s, I walked away from church
284. 18:59of just saying it's too painful.
285. 19:01It's hard to follow a God where everyone who's believing
286. 19:06in Him did not protect me, did not stand up for me,
287. 19:09did not see the victimization that was happening
288. 19:12and provide love and support and advocacy.
289. 19:15And so I just lived really a lot of recklessness
290. 19:19that I just wanna know about.
291. 19:20So I still believe in Jesus, but I don't know what it looks like
292. 19:23for these two things to come back together.
293. 19:25And so until my early 30s that I started going to therapy,
294. 19:30I started to really dig in and do that deep work of healing.
295. 19:35And honestly, healing prayer has been a game changer for me
296. 19:39of having these experiences with Jesus
297. 19:41where he's like, I never left you.
298. 19:43I hate that those things happen to you.
299. 19:45I love you.
300. 19:46I delight in you that it's like the healing
301. 19:48and the transformation started to take place.
302. 19:51So now I'm in a much better place
303. 19:53where I feel like I can reconcile the two,
304. 19:55which is hard, right?
305. 19:56Where bad things happen and hard things happen.
306. 19:59And God is still good and he still loves us.
307. 20:02And like he still is fighting for us.
308. 20:06And so it's taken a lot of work
309. 20:09and it's been sort of this rollercoaster for journey.
310. 20:11You know, it would be a lie for me to say,
311. 20:13it's just been this straightforward, easy thing.
312. 20:16but I think it has given my faith a lot of depth
313. 20:20and a lot of authenticity.
314. 20:23It's like I've wrestled, I've struggled, I've sinned,
315. 20:25I've messed up, I've screamed at God,
316. 20:29to get to this point of like,
317. 20:30I feel so much more connected to him
318. 20:33and much more connected to Christian community.
319. 20:37And I want that and I crave that.
320. 20:38And I think it's been really validating
321. 20:43and redemptive to see the work
322. 20:45that he's done over the last decade.
323. 20:47Mm, mm, wow.
324. 20:50And you have various credentials.
325. 20:51You are an unregistered nurse.
326. 20:54You have an MSN, a CPN, as I mentioned,
327. 20:56you're a SANE nurse as well.
328. 20:58How has those experiences in your journey
329. 21:03contributed toward you pursuing
330. 21:05the professional courses you pursued?
331. 21:08Yeah, that's such a great question.
332. 21:10So, you know, the trauma I experienced in college
333. 21:12was I was sexually assaulted repeatedly
334. 21:17by a fellow college student who went to my church.
335. 21:19And so the first time I had ever heard
336. 21:22of a forensic nurse or a same nurse was
337. 21:24after I disclosed an assault.
338. 21:27And it was detectives talking to me about,
339. 21:31you can go see the nurse at the hospital
340. 21:33who would collect evidence.
341. 21:34And so of course, sort of my first introduction
342. 21:38to all this was my own experience.
343. 21:40So as much as I talk about working with victims
344. 21:44and practicing as a forensic nurse,
345. 21:46I also know what it feels like to be in that position
346. 21:48where you're having to walk through the criminal justice
347. 21:50system and all of the nuances that have been there.
348. 21:54And so of course that deeply impacted my desire
349. 21:57to want to go into this field to say,
350. 21:59can I sit with someone when they've experienced
351. 22:03one of the most painful things they could ever experience
352. 22:06and just hold space for them and validate
353. 22:09and provide kindness and listen.
354. 22:12You know, I can't fix it.
355. 22:14It's not my job to fix it.
356. 22:15I can't necessarily make it better,
357. 22:17but I can hold space and say,
358. 22:18I'm so sorry to happen to you.
359. 22:20You know, this is not your fault.
360. 22:22And I think that really matters.
361. 22:23Mm.
362. 22:25It absolutely does matter.
363. 22:27And our audience here knows,
364. 22:28and I told you before we came on the air
365. 22:31that I spent a decade as a major felony prosecutor.
366. 22:34So I have been there with victims
367. 22:37who I've met unfortunately
368. 22:39at the stage of where either a case has been filed and presented for grand jury indictment
369. 22:43all the way up through trial.
370. 22:46And I've also been there on the other side of it post trial to see really how you're
371. 22:53able to how those who suffered victimization in these areas put their lives together thereafter.
372. 23:01The healing effect of having closure, having an offender brought to justice and things of
373. 23:06that nature.
374. 23:08For those who are not aware, and they've made a return rate kit, but they have no clue
375. 23:12what it is, what is a SANE nurse or a sexual assault nurse examiner?
376. 23:17Yeah, I think most people are not aware of this type of nursing, which is a good thing,
377. 23:23because you probably, if you are aware, it's either you and I, we've worked in this field,
378. 23:27or you have had to encounter a forensic nurse because we've been experiencing some type of
379. 23:33violence or your family member has.
380. 23:35But essentially we are a very unique type of nurse where we're trying to collect evidence
381. 23:41from a victim after they've experienced violence.
382. 23:44So I was especially trying to take care of kids who had experienced sexual assault.
383. 23:48So when a child would come into the hospital, the thought process behind it is within a certain
384. 23:54timeframe, a perpetrator is always going to leave some type of DNA on a victim.
385. 23:59So whether that's skin cells, hair cells, saliva, semen, there's likely going to be some evidence
386. 24:05you know, if they were touching, assaulting, kind of whatever had happened during the assault,
387. 24:11there will be some type of DNA they left behind. So essentially, I'm looking at a child's body
388. 24:17first and foremost, you know, kind of making sure they're healthy. Do they have medical injuries? Do
389. 24:22they have sexually transmitted infections? Do they have things we need to address as a fallout
390. 24:26from this assault? But also, is there evidence we can collect? So maybe we're taking their clothing,
391. 24:31we might be swabbing certain areas of their bodies. Of course, because we're talking about
392. 24:35a sexual assault, it's usually involving the genitals. So it's a it can be an
393. 24:40embarrassing, you know, kind of invasive feeling exam in the sense that you
394. 24:44have stranger who is looking at this very intimate part of you right after
395. 24:48this trauma has happened. So it's, you know, I can understand it can be a really
396. 24:53difficult thing to walk through for a victim. And then of course they can say
397. 24:59no to any of it. I would never force, you know, anything that would make someone
398. 25:02uncomfortable or feel re-traumatized. But really we're looking at someone holistic, but you know,
399. 25:07how are they doing mentally after a sexual assault? What resources do they need? How can we support them?
400. 25:13You know, how is their body medically doing, you know, physically and then evidence-wise? What can
401. 25:18we collect? So we send all the evidence to law enforcement and then, you know, on the end of
402. 25:23hospital we're taking care of the medical piece of things. And you are often in that regard. You
403. 25:30later in many cases could very likely end up testifying at trial to what you discovered
404. 25:36during the same examination.
405. 25:38I've had the unfortunate experience of having to do that numerous times in my life and career.
406. 25:44But you mentioned that you specifically were trained and practiced in the area dealing with
407. 25:51adolescent victims, child victims of sexual assault.
408. 25:54In the process of you doing that, I would say that the Lord giving you a discerning heart
409. 26:00in the spirit of God operating in you for discernment,
410. 26:02you noticed something, a trend that kind of started
411. 26:05to develop in your practice.
412. 26:07Would you just share a bit of that with the audience here?
413. 26:11Yeah, so I was always being trained as a forensic nurse.
414. 26:15You know, we talked about different types of perpetrators.
415. 26:18And I think in my head, naively, I had this stereotype of,
416. 26:22oh, I'm taking care of kids who have experienced sexual assault.
417. 26:26All the perpetrators are gonna be adults
418. 26:28and the stereotype of like,
419. 26:29It's gonna be some creepy old man who, you know, like lives in a basement and lures kids down there with, you know, kittens and candy or whatever, you know, sort of the stereotype we have.
420. 26:38But that was not the case. So we, where I was working at the time, we would write down the perpetrators ages just to keep for our database, you know, see what trends were happening.
421. 26:48And that will be asked conveyed to you by the victim themselves, right?
422. 26:51Correct. Yes. Or their families. They were too.
423. 26:53Or their families.
424. 26:54Okay.
425. 26:55And you know, of course we didn't always know that information, but most of the time we did.
426. 26:58And you were documented? Yes, we would document it. We put it in an electronic database. So I'm
427. 27:05documenting case after case where the perpetrator is not a 60 year old, the perpetrator is 11.
428. 27:12They're 12. They're 13. Over and over. And I think that where the light bulbs really went off in my
429. 27:18brain, I was maybe a few months off of orientation. I was taking care of a five year old and she had
430. 27:25had been sexually assaulted by her 12-year-old brother.
431. 27:28And their dad had walked in and seen it.
432. 27:30So there was no question of what had happened.
433. 27:34Of course, the parents were so distraught
434. 27:36as they should be.
435. 27:38You know, this is an incredibly traumatic situation
436. 27:40for everyone.
437. 27:41And I remember the mom just trying to verbally process,
438. 27:45like, how did this happen?
439. 27:46Why would our 12-year-old do this?
440. 27:48And she looked at me and said, you know,
441. 27:50we have found violent pornography on his phone.
442. 27:53you know, several times of the last few months and he's really changed.
443. 27:56He's isolating.
444. 27:57He doesn't want to play soccer anymore.
445. 28:00He doesn't want to do his homework.
446. 28:01He just goes in his room and shuts the door.
447. 28:03Do you think these things are related?
448. 28:05And it was just like in my brain like thing, like of course, here you have this kid who
449. 28:10is showing signs of problematic pornies, who's probably been watching this so frequently.
450. 28:17Now he wants to act out the thing that his brain has seen over and over and over again.
451. 28:22And he is on his sister because this is sort of a quote unquote easy target, right?
452. 28:27She's she's there, she's younger. You can, you know, basically easy opportunity for him to act
453. 28:33out the things that he's seeing and dad walks in and sees it. And so I think for me, I just thought
454. 28:39how often is pornography insulting these young kids that were seeing that are sexually
455. 28:45salting each other? And so what I found is it's almost all the time. I mean, at this point in time,
456. 28:52There's multiple reasons why a child's gonna act out with problematic sexual behavior, but in today's day and age
457. 28:58pornography is almost always playing a role in some way shape or form. Maybe this child has their own
458. 29:05trauma history or attachment pain or
459. 29:09dysfunctional family or whatever, maybe and
460. 29:11they're looking at pornography over and over and over again, and it's just like this perfect storm of
461. 29:17Now I'm gonna act out the thing that I've spent months fantasizing about
462. 29:20You know, I mentioned to you before we came on the air that it was it's jolted for most
463. 29:31people to learn in because I I didn't know this before I was a major felony prosecutor,
464. 29:37but the phenomenon of of of of sexually abused perpetrated by a stranger is extremely rare.
465. 29:44The most often occurrence is that it is a known person, a family member, a trusted family
466. 29:51I remember and like you mentioned, I have noticed an uptick.
467. 29:55I had noticed and this was, I came in, in 2016.
468. 29:58So from 2006 to 2016, I noticed that the increasing phenomenon
469. 30:05of exactly what you just described, children abusing other children.
470. 30:09And you have kind of the powder keg often where you have early pornography exposure,
471. 30:16sometimes combined with a child themselves being abused.
472. 30:20And then they in turn become abusers.
473. 30:23What is it, and we're gonna have a couple minutes left
474. 30:26before about maybe a minute and a half
475. 30:28before we come to this first break,
476. 30:30what is it that you think parents and adults need to be aware
477. 30:35of concerning childhood exposure to pornography?
478. 30:38I know the younger, a kid is exposed to porn
479. 30:41the more likely they will be a lifelong addict.
480. 30:43And so the porn industry has an incentive
481. 30:45to expose your kids to porn at an early age.
482. 30:47They want customers for the rest of their life.
483. 30:50So we know they're intentionally exposing kids to porn.
484. 30:53Kids are too quick away from porn at any given time
485. 30:56if they are online.
486. 30:57And so any kid could be exposed to it at any time.
487. 31:01This is, I think a lot of parents think, not my kid.
488. 31:04Absolutely not.
489. 31:06Like every parent is gonna be thinking,
490. 31:08my kid is probably gonna say porn,
491. 31:10how do we have conversations around it?
492. 31:12If they have a screen, there's a high likelihood
493. 31:15they will see it.
494. 31:16And we live in such a time period,
495. 31:18we just had a situation to where here at AFA,
496. 31:22we had a two year dialogue, frankly,
497. 31:24with Apple concerning their default settings
498. 31:29or their devices with the parental controls,
499. 31:31that if the device knew the child was 13 or under,
500. 31:36it would block certain pornography materials
501. 31:38through iMessages, but 14 and up, man, no problem.
502. 31:42And we were like, Apple, why don't you apply this
503. 31:44to all minors and it is honestly, they wouldn't say this,
504. 31:49but panographers wanna try to hook,
505. 31:53if you were like a drug dealer,
506. 31:54hook children early on because as you mentioned,
507. 31:57they want lifelong customers.
508. 31:59But what we as a society may not recognize
509. 32:01is that this skews, development, excuse,
510. 32:05it skews perspective and it changes the way
511. 32:08people view what we would call normal behavior.
512. 32:11When we come back from this break,
513. 32:13I want you to describe, I know there's an instance you described, where a young lady thought abusive
514. 32:19behavior was just her abuser trying to be sexy.
515. 32:22Let's talk about that when we come back on the break.
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533. 33:45Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton.
534. 33:47The third here, my guest is
535. 33:49Heidi Olson, founder and president of paradigm shift training and consulting, who has a bevy
536. 33:56of medical professional credentials, including the distinction of having a decade of experience
537. 34:03as a sexual assault nurse examiner.
538. 34:05If you are a young person listening to the show, you probably should have done it already
539. 34:09by now, but please let your parents know what we're talking about and let them give you guidance
540. 34:14and instruction as to whether or not this is an episode that you should tune in tune into
541. 34:19Before we went to the break,
542. 34:20Heidi, I asked the question because I know
543. 34:23you've had an experience with one of the victims
544. 34:28of abuse who you were helping.
545. 34:30And the exposure, I would say the digital exposure
546. 34:35and the experience is really distorted reality
547. 34:39for this young lady, to where she conflated abuse
548. 34:44with just her abuse efforts to be more exciting.
549. 34:47Would you speak to that for a moment, please?
550. 34:50Yeah, I think what's important for adults to know
551. 34:54is that the porn that kids are seeing online
552. 34:57is not like Playboy from 30 or 40 years ago.
553. 35:00And that wasn't acceptable, let's be clear.
554. 35:02That was wicked in and of itself.
555. 35:07But now it's, you know, they've gone from shooting layups
556. 35:10to alley-oop slam dunking with this despicable,
557. 35:14insidious, frankly demonic stuff that the smut
558. 35:17they're putting out there, but go ahead, please go ahead.
559. 35:19Yes, no, you're exactly right.
560. 35:21And so they're watching sexual violence.
561. 35:24The vast majority of pornography online is extremely violent
562. 35:28and very, very degrading, especially towards women.
563. 35:31So what girls are seeing when they're watching porn
564. 35:35and thinking, oh, this is how I have sex.
565. 35:37This is what's expected of me.
566. 35:38Is there watching women who are being strangled?
567. 35:41They're watching women who are being spit on,
568. 35:43called names that multiple men are penetrating?
569. 35:46And this is what our young tween teen girls are learning.
570. 35:50This is how I should enjoy sex.
571. 35:52And of course for boys, this is how I have sex.
572. 35:55I should be violent.
573. 35:56Girls want this.
574. 35:58So you can see how it's creating
575. 35:59really confusing sexual landscape for them.
576. 36:02So I took care of a 15 year old.
577. 36:05She had a horrendous genital injury.
578. 36:08It was so bad.
579. 36:09She could barely sit down.
580. 36:11I mean, it was awful.
581. 36:13I won't go into graphic details,
582. 36:14but an immense amount of violence was behind that.
583. 36:18Her perpetrator was a 15 year old boy from school.
584. 36:21And so as I was talking to her about this assault,
585. 36:24I was asking her, did he put his hands around your throat?
586. 36:27Did he strangle you?
587. 36:29Because that's something I wanna know
588. 36:30with all my patients for medical reasons,
589. 36:32but also to kind of talk through,
590. 36:34like, are you okay or is this another charge?
591. 36:38Like the criminal action, right?
592. 36:40So I'm asking her, did he put his hands around your throat?
593. 36:43And she was like, yeah, but I think he was trying to be sexy.
594. 36:47And it just made me pause of like, oh, you don't even realize
595. 36:51that this is a part of the assault.
596. 36:54Because in your head, this is for play or whatever
597. 36:57it should be because you're seeing it
598. 36:59and quarant all the time.
599. 37:00That strangulation is a normal sex act that everybody does.
600. 37:04And it's not a big deal.
601. 37:05It's how we turn each other on instead of strangulation
602. 37:09can kill you.
603. 37:10It can cause brain damage.
604. 37:11It's scary.
605. 37:12It's not supposed to be a part of this thing.
606. 37:15And so, you know, I think to that,
607. 37:18wait, I've seen so many instances
608. 37:21where especially with girls,
609. 37:23what porn is teaching them is self exploitation
610. 37:26is completely normal and fine.
611. 37:29When you turn 18, you should be the porn star.
612. 37:32You should go and only fans and you should create porn
613. 37:35because you're watching it all the time.
614. 37:38It's normal.
615. 37:39There's all these influencers who do it.
616. 37:41I like this is how you can make millions of dollars.
617. 37:44And so I would say that's the trend of not only is violence normal,
618. 37:48selling your body is totally normal and acceptable as well.
619. 37:53And I know for many of you hearing this, this is jolting because this is not the
620. 37:58world that you live in, but I'm telling you, we need to understand that this is
621. 38:05the world that many of our young people are living in.
622. 38:07and the egregious, the egregiousness of the violence
623. 38:14and of the abuse and the normalization of it
624. 38:20is one aspect of the reality.
625. 38:21But can you envision that these people
626. 38:25are the ones who will become the lawyers
627. 38:28and doctors and judges and how having this lack of,
628. 38:34I started off the scripture in 1 Peter 4
629. 38:36that we, especially as the body of Christ, that we should not have an acceptance capacity
630. 38:44for things that the Bible says should not be tolerated.
631. 38:48Like youthfulness does not have to be synonymous with the types of things that we experience
632. 38:56prevalently.
633. 38:57Paul told Timothy that you can be an example to the believer in purity, in purity.
634. 39:05And so it's vitally important that we understand that this is the type of stuff that we're confronting.
635. 39:11Some people have this mindset that where it is exclusively a young males who are consuming
636. 39:16pornography.
637. 39:17But the data shows that increasing amounts of females, especially younger females, are consuming
638. 39:23pornography at high rates similar to the young boys.
639. 39:29Is that an accurate description and depiction of the data that you've come across?
640. 39:33Yes, it is absolutely.
641. 39:36And I think that a huge piece of it
642. 39:39is because pornography is so prevalent
643. 39:42and so normalized with kids today
644. 39:44that there isn't this, I think for other generations,
645. 39:48there was this shame or we know we're not supposed to look at it.
646. 39:53I feel like those layers are just going away
647. 39:55with younger generations where it's like,
648. 39:57everyone does it, everyone talks about it.
649. 39:59We're once showing it to each other.
650. 40:01It feels like they think it's not a big deal.
651. 40:04And it becomes sort of this joke of like,
652. 40:06we all look at it, we all know these trends.
653. 40:08This is how we learn about sex.
654. 40:11And I will even say, I've talked to kids who are going
655. 40:14I've been conservative Christian homes.
656. 40:16And I will ask them things like,
657. 40:18the Bob House is a house full of girls.
658. 40:21They all live in Florida together.
659. 40:23They're young like 19 to 24.
660. 40:25The what house?
661. 40:26I don't think I heard you clearly.
662. 40:27The what house?
663. 40:28The OP.
664. 40:29Oh, Bob House, okay.
665. 40:31They all live together in this house.
666. 40:34They all create pornography on only fans.
667. 40:38Oh, wow.
668. 40:38And on social media, so of course, they can't show their explicit porn on social media,
669. 40:43but they have, especially where they market themselves.
670. 40:46You know, on TikTok and Instagram, basically saying,
671. 40:48look at us flying on private jets and we make millions of dollars and our life is so glamorous.
672. 40:53These girls have a combined 90 million followers on social media.
673. 41:00Wow.
674. 41:01put a lot of them are teenagers. So I've asked, it's growing up in
675. 41:05their concerned Christian homes. Do you know what the bot
676. 41:07fusses and they all have said yes, because it's so normal, right?
677. 41:13And within their culture and their generation of like, we joke
678. 41:16about it, we talk about it, we use that term with each other, we
679. 41:18call each other, you know, you're a bot. It's a porn term. And
680. 41:22so I think that parents don't even realize like how ingrained
681. 41:26all things pornography are becoming with this generation.
682. 41:29You know, I tend to study and do a lot of research.
683. 41:33I'd never heard of that until you just mentioned it.
684. 41:36I'd never heard of the Bob House until you just said that.
685. 41:41Wow.
686. 41:46It's heartbreaking for me to consider
687. 41:48because I'm thinking about cases that I've handled
688. 41:50and I'm thinking about people that I've encountered
689. 41:52and listening to what you're sharing.
690. 41:55It is a full on,
691. 41:59you wanna talk about a pandemic.
692. 42:00It's a full-on pandemic.
693. 42:02And you know often say what goes on in your house
694. 42:03is far more important than what goes on in the White House.
695. 42:06Guys, we need to be actively engaged in our homes.
696. 42:10There's so many circumstances where you can have a child
697. 42:13who grows up, as you mentioned,
698. 42:14a Christian conservative family.
699. 42:16And they don't access it at home, but they get to school.
700. 42:19And guess what the peers are showing them?
701. 42:20As cool, on the buses, on the way to school.
702. 42:24And so what are some things that you would say
703. 42:28that parents need to do proactively to try to protect
704. 42:34protect our children from these types
705. 42:35of insidious influences.
706. 42:37Yeah, that is such a great question.
707. 42:40I know all of this goes incredibly overwhelming
708. 42:44and sometimes hopeless, so I want to instill hope
709. 42:48for parents that just having simple conversations
710. 42:52can make all the difference in the world.
711. 42:54I think for like my generation and probably generations
712. 42:57before me parents did not really talk to us about sex.
713. 43:01Like you maybe got one very awkward conversation
714. 43:04and that was it or was just like don't do it.
715. 43:07And it was it, but there wasn't this actual like here
716. 43:11are all the things you need to know.
717. 43:12And it's an open door and I want to have healthy dialogue
718. 43:15and I want you to really understand God's intent
719. 43:17behind this for many of my peers.
720. 43:21That's not their experience.
721. 43:23And so I think the same thing is happening with form
722. 43:25where we're like, just don't look at it.
723. 43:27maybe that's the conversation that is being fed,
724. 43:29but it's not, okay, you're probably gonna see it.
725. 43:32Let's talk about it.
726. 43:34Please come talk to me if you see it.
727. 43:35I will not be mad at you.
728. 43:37We don't need to bring shame into this.
729. 43:39It's why is this not good for our hearts and our brains?
730. 43:43And you deserve better than to be pulled
731. 43:45into this world of pornography.
732. 43:47And, you know, I think really having to short little
733. 43:53conversations all the time about it,
734. 43:55where there's safety being created for kids,
735. 43:58that's gonna create that resilience where,
736. 44:00okay, maybe someone at school showed me something,
737. 44:02when I walked away, and then I went home
738. 44:04and told mom and dad, hey, this person showed me
739. 44:06this thing, can we process it?
740. 44:07You know, they're not the best case scenario,
741. 44:09and I believe that can happen if we can start
742. 44:12to have those conversations.
743. 44:13But I think when there's this sort of feeling of fear
744. 44:16behind it of like, don't look at it,
745. 44:18and if you do your horrible person,
746. 44:19you know, that's the message of getting sent.
747. 44:21Well, of course the kids never gonna say anything,
748. 44:23and they're gonna try and navigate alone,
749. 44:26which is really challenging.
750. 44:27When you're eight years old and you just watch someone,
751. 44:29be sexually assaulted on a screen.
752. 44:31So I think those little touch points just over
753. 44:34and over and creating safety is a really big deal.
754. 44:39Now you made a transition professionally
755. 44:42from your nursing practice
756. 44:46into now leading a paradigm shift training and consulting.
757. 44:50What is paradigm shift?
758. 44:53Yeah, so I created a business about four years ago
759. 44:57and it was really out of this need of seeing the amount
760. 45:01of patients we were encountering who were experiencing
761. 45:05human trafficking, exploitation, being groomed online,
762. 45:09experiencing problematic porn use.
763. 45:11I mean, all the things that we're talking about,
764. 45:13often all these things just go hand in hand in hand
765. 45:16and that healthcare workers have an incredible opportunity
766. 45:19to have conversations to intervene,
767. 45:22to instill healthy education to patients
768. 45:27about pornography and all these different things.
769. 45:29We can do that as healthcare workers.
770. 45:31And it doesn't really exist in most hospitals.
771. 45:34No one's talking about this.
772. 45:35No one's connecting the dots.
773. 45:37And so I think for me,
774. 45:38I saw what an amazing difference it made
775. 45:40within the program that I was leading.
776. 45:41And I wanted to step out and start to do that
777. 45:43with other healthcare workers.
778. 45:44So I started my business, yeah, about four years ago,
779. 45:49and I have been getting to teach internationally, actually,
780. 45:53in all over the United States.
781. 45:54And I've had some really incredible opportunities
782. 45:57from presenting at the United Nations to I wrote in a Mika
783. 46:00Supreme Court that was submitted last year.
784. 46:05And so I've gotten to do incredible things around, you know,
785. 46:08raising awareness on how pornography is harming kids.
786. 46:11You know, I often reflect on here on the show that the family
787. 46:18is the first institution that God established,
788. 46:21the first human institution,
789. 46:22the first command that God gave to mankind
790. 46:24was delivered within the familial context.
791. 46:27And the family is the first institution
792. 46:28with a marriage at the center
793. 46:30because the family is central to God's plan
794. 46:33for establishing his kingdom multigenerationally
795. 46:35in the hearts and minds of people.
796. 46:37I don't think there is an appropriate understanding
797. 46:40of just how significant the family is,
798. 46:45and specifically the parent-child relationship
799. 46:48is to God. And the church's purpose based on Ephesians 4 is to equip the saints for the
800. 46:54works of ministry. Sometimes we think what God requires in ministry that it has to be the
801. 46:58professional pastor and all of this, but the reality is that the saints of God are called
802. 47:04to do the work of God and that families need to be empowered to take the initiative and
803. 47:09the leadership in shaping the hearts and minds of our own children. And one of the major
804. 47:16areas that this is happening is with the demonic perversion of human sexuality and identity.
805. 47:23And what we need to recognize is that this is not merely the product of modernity. This is not
806. 47:30merely the feature of technological innovation that frankly there is a demonic attack to destroy
807. 47:39the kingdom of God. That's what Satan's in that's what his objective is. We know he won't prevail,
808. 47:43But that's what he's trying to do, but he's seeking to do so
809. 47:47by destroying children in
810. 47:49Perverting their formation and development. Do you think that is an accurate assessment based on your experience and interactions?
811. 47:57Absolutely. Yes, it absolutely is. I mean even if you talk to adults in their 30s 40s 50s
812. 48:04There are so many adults who struggle with porn addiction and to see the ways that it has destroyed their marriages their lives their
813. 48:12intimacy
814. 48:13their ability to move through the world in healthy ways.
815. 48:16And to just, that's just being astronomically
816. 48:20perpetuated on our kids, right?
817. 48:23These are people who grew up maybe with, like we said,
818. 48:25Playboy that have still developed addictions over time.
819. 48:28Imagine being a seven, eight year old
820. 48:30who was exposed to hardcore porn,
821. 48:32where it's an endless amount.
822. 48:34You can never watch all the porn that exists in the world.
823. 48:36There's so much content to a developing brain.
824. 48:40It feels systematic, it feels evil,
825. 48:42If it's very targeted, I absolutely believe there's a demonic component to all of this.
826. 48:48Hi, thank you so much for joining me on the program today.
827. 48:51We're going to need to continue this conversation.
828. 48:53I hadn't mentioned this yet, but there will be an impact series episode produced by American
829. 48:58Family Studios that features Heidi Olson and her work.
830. 49:03We'll talk more about that.
831. 49:04It'll be available coming soon.
832. 49:08The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
833. 49:13Family Association or American Family Radio.