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11. 0:31Well, hello everybody.
12. 0:34Alex McFarland here is so honored that you're listening to the Hamilton Corner.
13. 0:38And I'm very honored that you, that I have the privilege of sitting in for attorney, pastor,
14. 0:44and broadcaster Abe Hamilton III.
15. 0:47Many times when he's traveling, I have the great privilege of being on, and today is
16. 0:52one of those days.
17. 0:53We have a great show.
18. 0:55And as we are doing this program, there's a couple of things in the news that are, you
19. 0:59really important and I want to talk about the root of the subject for one as I'm sure you're aware of the US Supreme Court this week is
20. 1:08hearing arguments in a case that will very much decide
21. 1:14whether or not biological males
22. 1:17will play in women's sports and the transgender activists have done so much to get into not only the the national conversation
23. 1:27media entertainment but into the law. And this is very troubling because I would say this,
24. 1:35transgenderism and really the idea that there is no such thing as objective maleness or
25. 1:46or femaleness, even though all humans, women are X, X chromosome, human beings, men, X,
26. 1:54Y. I mean, gender is a biological reality. There are males and there are females. But
27. 2:01yet transgenderism wants to erase those categories. And you can be a biological genetic male could
28. 2:13be viewed legally as a female if they identify as such.
29. 2:18Now there are many problems with this, but this week the Supreme Court yesterday Gorsuch
30. 2:25and Alita were asking the attorney for arguing for transgenderism, they said what is a woman?
31. 2:38And this attorney just danced all around the issue, could not define what a woman is.
32. 2:43Well, the other thing that I want to bring to your attention then we'll weigh in on this
33. 2:46topic a bit.
34. 2:48Senator from Missouri, Josh Hawley, who I just, oh my goodness, I respect so much, maybe you've
35. 2:55seen the video because it has really, really gone viral.
36. 2:59But Josh Hawley is interviewing a medical doctor from Vanderbilt School of Medicine.
37. 3:06And 11 times Senator Hawley asks a medical doctor, can a man get pregnant?
38. 3:16And he asks 11 times, yes or no, can a man get pregnant?
39. 3:22And this medical doctor, this Dr. Verma is just stammering and stuttering and says, you
40. 3:30know, that's an unanswerable question.
41. 3:34And prior to Josh Hawley asking, can a man get pregnant?
42. 3:43The doctor had said that medical science and healthcare should be carried out according
43. 3:50to science, not according to politics or any sort of narrative.
44. 3:56And so Josh Hawley says, great science, let's be scientific here.
45. 4:02That being the case, let me ask you a scientific question.
46. 4:05He says, can a male become pregnant?
47. 4:10And 11 times the doctor will not answer.
48. 4:16And she says, I treat patients with many different identities.
49. 4:21Now, we're on dangerous ground when we believe that merely by thinking it, we can create
50. 4:30our own reality.
51. 4:32Now, of course, I'm not saying that we can't have ideas and goals and dreams and we get a vision for something.
52. 4:40Maybe at age 50 you decide to learn a musical instrument. Maybe you decide to start a business.
53. 4:48I mean, there are plenty of things in life where we can envision something and we can take steps to cause things to happen.
54. 4:58Maybe you want to save up money and pay cash for your next automobile
55. 5:02But the there are some things about reality that are just objective not subjective now think about it folks
56. 5:10our nation and I would submit to you as as dangerous as
57. 5:16globalism Marxism is communism that's dangerous as
58. 5:20dangerous as
59. 5:22Shari law and the influx of Islam into our culture
60. 5:25culture. It's dangerous. Our Constitution is threatened by lawlessness, just people not
61. 5:37obeying the rules, people not yielding to authority. That's dangerous. Sharia coming in.
62. 5:45And my goodness, in places like Indiana and Texas and Dearborn Michigan and the Somalis
63. 5:51in Minnesota, Islam and Islamic culture and Sharia, that's a great danger to our Constitution.
64. 5:59But I would submit to you folks that the most serious threat to the preservation of America
65. 6:06is our attempted erasure of truth and moral boundaries.
66. 6:13I mean, you know, you can't change when you were born.
67. 6:18You can't change where you were born.
68. 6:21And you can't change your gender.
69. 6:25I mean, people can all day long say, I identify as this or that, but it doesn't make it so.
70. 6:32And it's one thing for people to believe things that are false.
71. 6:36I mean, many people believe many delusional things.
72. 6:41But when our government is really having to decide if truth exists or doesn't, and merely
73. 6:53because somebody believes something, whether it's delusional or mental illness, frankly,
74. 7:01I think transgenderism is demonic.
75. 7:04And I think some of the most entrenched believers in transgenderism are probably demon-possessed,
76. 7:12really.
77. 7:14But let's talk about this thing that really nobody much talks about, which is natural law.
78. 7:21Now the founders used some terms.
79. 7:24Jefferson used the term self-evident truth.
80. 7:27In other words, it's obvious and undeniable, self-evident truth.
81. 7:32George Washington used the term natural law.
82. 7:34They would also talk about moral absolutes, objective truth, and basic realities, what
83. 7:41this is.
84. 7:43Natural law, I'm not talking about scientific laws like water at sea level boils at 212
85. 7:49degrees.
86. 7:51That's a law of nature.
87. 7:55But in terms of our government and morals, natural law, it refers to truths about reality
88. 8:04that are instinctively known by all rational people and laws, natural laws that are not based
89. 8:14on opinion or preference, but which are binding on all people.
90. 8:20That's what natural law is.
91. 8:22And here in America, and really the Western world for the past 2000 years, natural law
92. 8:30has been part of culture and practice.
93. 8:34But natural law is something more than mere social mores or cultural preferences.
94. 8:42Natural law is truth about basic reality.
95. 8:46Now in Romans chapter 1 and chapter 2, the Word of God says that there are certain
96. 8:52things that are known to all people because it is written on the heart. In Romans, it says that when
97. 9:00the Gentiles instinctively do the things prescribed by the Ten Commandments, it shows that God's law
98. 9:09is written on the heart and therefore we are without excuse, according to Romans 2 22.
99. 9:17So we have no excuse. God's law is written on the heart and we really, really do know it.
100. 9:27Now let me say where a lot of people are. 1 Timothy 4-2 says this.
101. 9:34People speak lies in hypocrisy. Their conscience being seared with a hot iron.
102. 9:44Now, you know what, if your skin is seared, maybe you got burned and there's a callus
103. 9:52and your skin, you don't really feel pain in this part where your skin has been seared.
104. 9:59Well, do you know the conscience can be seared?
105. 10:03And if people reject truth long enough, I mean, there's a state where they no longer
106. 10:08can discern truth.
107. 10:10The Greek word in the original language in 1 Timothy 4-2 is the word cauterized.
108. 10:17Maybe you've had a doctor that you've heard they would cauterize a wound and they would
109. 10:23basically, you know, intentionally burn a spot of skin to stop bleeding.
110. 10:29And that tissue is hardened and dead, the nerve endings are dead and, you know, it doesn't
111. 10:35hurt there anymore.
112. 10:37Well, the conscience can be seared or cauterized where people can no longer discern truth.
113. 10:45And so, you know, I often tell people I used to be a one issue voter and that issue was
114. 10:52the sanctity of human life where I would never intentionally, I would never knowingly vote
115. 10:58for a pro-abortion candidate.
116. 11:01But I'm a two issue voter now and I've asked a number of candidates running for office.
117. 11:07What do you believe about natural law?
118. 11:10And I have to be honest, I've yet to meet a political candidate that even knew what natural
119. 11:15law was.
120. 11:17And yet when Jefferson and some of our founders, like Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, James
121. 11:24Madison, George Mason, Peyton Randolph, Patrick Henry, these were signers of the declaration.
122. 11:31And they understood that there are some things that are objectively true.
123. 11:39And this idea that a man is a male and a female is a woman, only females can be impregnated.
124. 11:50And the beautiful thing about our Constitution is when it says, you know, in the Declaration,
125. 11:57And by the way, the Declaration, preamble, Constitution, Bill of Rights, they form a cohesive whole.
126. 12:05And the idea of human rights came from America because Jefferson wrote that all people, all
127. 12:14men, the masculine pronoun used in the generic sense there, all men are endowed by their
128. 12:21creator, capital C, that's God, endowed with certain inalienable rights.
129. 12:27In other words, rights that can't be taken away.
130. 12:31Now your rights can certainly be taken away, but not legitimately so.
131. 12:37Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., he lived 1929 to 1968.
132. 12:43His famous Pulitzer Prize winning book, Why We Can't Wait, which I would urge you to read,
133. 12:50It was published in 1963.
134. 12:52And it not only was it Dr. King's manifesto, if you will, of the Civil Rights Movement,
135. 13:00it really is a crash course on the US government and how our Constitution is to work.
136. 13:09And Dr. King wrote in that book, and I quote, to put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas
137. 13:16wrote Dr. King.
138. 13:17unjust law is a human law, not rooted in eternal law and natural law. End of quote. See, he
139. 13:27understood what most politicians and virtually all secular college professors don't understand
140. 13:35is that our government all writes, male and female, every ethnicity, Caucasian, Latino,
141. 13:45Asian, Black, White, all people have equal protection and equal rights in the shadow of
142. 13:54the US Constitution.
143. 13:56Dr. King understood that.
144. 13:57Now, why do all people have rights because truth exists and is applicable to all people?
145. 14:08And the abolition of natural law is something that the transgenders are after, but it jeffered
146. 14:15This is the future of the country. It really does we've got a great show stay tuned
147. 14:19We're gonna come back and talk with bunny pounds of Christians engaged and
148. 14:24We'll continue in our pursuit of truth on this edition of the Hamilton Corner Alex McFarland
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162. 15:41Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland here,
163. 15:44and very honored to bring on a colleague and friend,
164. 15:48Bunny Pound's of Christians engaged.
165. 15:50She's an author and she's also the driving force
166. 15:54behind something very special this year.
167. 15:56You know, this is America's 250th birthday,
168. 15:59very, very significant.
169. 16:01So you think about it folks, a quarter millennia, our nation has existed.
170. 16:06And it's based on the Bible and we can prove that, but Bunny Pound's is leading an event
171. 16:14in our nation's capital this year that the Bible will be read through in its entirety.
172. 16:20And I've got the great privilege of being one of the readers.
173. 16:24It's actually one of the greatest honors of my life, but she is with us now.
174. 16:29pounds. Thank you for making time to be with us on the American Family Radio Network.
175. 16:33Well honored to be with you Alex and honored to have your partnership on this and also American
176. 16:40Family Association to be a major partner with us on this initiative. America reads the Bible. It's
177. 16:45going to be an amazing, amazing time. So tell us about that and just all the work you do give us a
178. 16:53website because we do want people engaged and folks as the date draws closer, you're going
179. 16:59to hear me talking about it, add infinitum because we want people to know about it.
180. 17:05But tell us about America, read the Bible and just all the work you do if you would,
181. 17:10please.
182. 17:11Well, America Reads the Bible started out as kind of a moment I had with the Lord about
183. 17:16Ezra in the Museum of the Bible a couple years ago.
184. 17:20I've been studying Nehemiah and the leadership of Nehemiah for a couple of decades, and I've
185. 17:25written a book on that we'll get into.
186. 17:26But it hit me that we really need an Ezra moment.
187. 17:30The American church has lost our identity in a lot of ways.
188. 17:34We're not focused, as we know, Alex, many Christians do not have a biblical worldview,
189. 17:39do not go to the scripture every day for their wisdom and discernment.
190. 17:44And so I've had this random thought.
191. 17:46I thought, wouldn't it be awesome if our national leaders from all spheres of influence
192. 17:50influence and demographics and denomination would get unified around scripture.
193. 17:55And what if we read the whole Bible from Genesis to Revelation and you know in front
194. 18:00of the American people around the two 50th birthday of our country since the Bible truly is I
195. 18:07believe our founding document of our country and the foundation of law, liberty and justice
196. 18:12in this country.
197. 18:13So it started out as a dream.
198. 18:17We took a step of faith and signed an extremely large contract with the Museum of the Bible
199. 18:23for April 18-25.
200. 18:27And now, where we are after about a year and a half of work on this is we have over 100
201. 18:33national ministries partnering with us, everyone from Samaritan's Purse to prison fellowship
202. 18:39at Pastor Allen Jackson to American Family Association, wall builders, so many ministries
203. 18:45around the country from different, even aspects of, you know,
204. 18:50reformed with kerosematics, Pentecostals and Protestants and Catholics and
205. 18:55Lutherans and Presbyterians. It's been awesome to watch what God's done.
206. 19:00But now about a 450 of our leaders from Hollywood or government or
207. 19:06ministry or business reading the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. It'll be
208. 19:12live streamed through great American Pure Flix.
209. 19:15We'll have an opening celebration on April 18
210. 19:18that every church in the country frankly
211. 19:20should stream from their sanctuary
212. 19:24and inspire the American people,
213. 19:27as leaders humble themselves
214. 19:29and tell the importance of the Bible in their life.
215. 19:32And then we go into reading the Bible,
216. 19:359 a.m. to 9 p.m. Eastern Standard Time for seven full days.
217. 19:40It's going to be epic.
218. 19:42It is going to be epic.
219. 19:44And one of the passages that I am to read actually our staff filmed me reading it a few
220. 19:52weeks ago.
221. 19:53So we have a backup, but I applaud you and I'll tell you why for a lot of reasons, but
222. 20:01bringing together all strata of Christendom.
223. 20:05One of the keys to revival is unity in the body of Christ.
224. 20:10And listen, I'm a Baptist preacher.
225. 20:12I have an opinion on everything.
226. 20:14But here's the thing.
227. 20:171 John 5 1 says, whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
228. 20:23I mean, think about it, folks.
229. 20:261 John 5 1, you can look it up, whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God.
230. 20:32That being the case, God's family is a really big family and we need unity, Protestant, Catholic,
231. 20:40Orthodox.
232. 20:41If you believe in Jesus, we're family.
233. 20:45And, Bunny, I just applaud you doing what it's pretty challenging to do, which is to get
234. 20:51Christians to unify together.
235. 20:55It has been an amazing journey, Alex.
236. 20:58I literally started last February at the National Religious Broadcasters going up to people with
237. 21:03my secret memo about this. I didn't even have a name for this event, right? And I'm just like,
238. 21:08Hey guys, we got to read the Bible together. We all need to come around scripture and unify
239. 21:13around that. Just the text, right? And my favorite chapter in the entire Bible, my whole team can
240. 21:20tell you I preach on it to nauseam is John 17. That's what I'm going to be reading at the theater.
241. 21:27And I have dreamed of what I'm seeing right now. I have dreamed about it for 20 years.
242. 21:33And again, nobody knows my name.
243. 21:35Yes, I lead a National Ministry of Christians engaged,
244. 21:38and we inspire people to pray, vote, and engage.
245. 21:41But I'm still a newbie on the block
246. 21:42when it comes to these ministry leaders
247. 21:44that everybody knows.
248. 21:47But I think I looked on my calendar.
249. 21:49I did about 200 Zoom meetings or phone calls this year
250. 21:54just on trying to get people onboarded for this event.
251. 21:58And they're going, why wouldn't I not be a part of it?
252. 22:02like, yeah, that sounds like a great idea.
253. 22:05Yeah, sure.
254. 22:06Being able to cast the vision and God blowing on it, really, it's been as Holy
255. 22:11Spirit. And I think it's in his heart because, you know, as we approach the second
256. 22:16coming of the Lord, you know, we're all praying, Mirinotha, come Lord Jesus
257. 22:20quickly. The thing that separate us don't seem as big as what we think they are.
258. 22:27And, you know, those of us that, you know, have been kind of in the social conservative
259. 22:32movement or been on the front lines of the battle of many of the things that we're dealing
260. 22:37with in culture, we know how little these things are that separate us.
261. 22:42We know what unifies us and being able to lead that effort and pull the rest of the body of
262. 22:47Christ into that space of unity is, I think, just been an amazing moment for my life for
263. 22:52sure.
264. 22:54You know, you mentioned John chapter 17.
265. 22:56I love verse 21, and this is, I'll let you comment if you would, but folks, Jesus is on
266. 23:02his way to the cross.
267. 23:03Very often commentators call it the high priestly prayer of Jesus, but in verse 21, he prays,
268. 23:10Father, that they all may be one, O any.
269. 23:14In other words, unify that the world may believe thou has sent me.
270. 23:18And I truly believe, and I'm going to throw another question to you here in a moment,
271. 23:24But, Bunny, in all of my travels, I have seen the Holy Spirit move genuine revival and awakening
272. 23:31come to communities when churches partner together.
273. 23:35And yes, I'm going to say it again.
274. 23:38Protestant, Catholic, and there are many born-again Catholics.
275. 23:43And there's some Protestants I'm worried about.
276. 23:46But listen, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, we need each other, don't we, Bunny?
277. 23:54We do.
278. 23:55You know, oneness is not sameness.
279. 23:56We kind of confuse that.
280. 23:58We think oneness is we have to all be the same or we have to believe everything about,
281. 24:03you know, the gifts of the Spirit or the second coming of Christness, Catology or Women
282. 24:08and Ministry or whatever.
283. 24:10That's not what the criteria is.
284. 24:12The criteria is that we are unified around the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus
285. 24:19and that evangelism sharing the gospel is pre-eminent,
286. 24:23that discipleship is pre-eminent.
287. 24:26And what we're believing for, Alex,
288. 24:28as you know, we don't want this to be, yes,
289. 24:30this is gonna be an epic event.
290. 24:32I pray every American Christian shares these social media clips,
291. 24:37logs into the live stream,
292. 24:39and centers their world around scripture for eight days.
293. 24:43But it goes beyond that.
294. 24:45We want to inspire people to go into Bible reading
295. 24:49and discipleship programs.
296. 24:50And we have about 14 ministries that are giving away free everything, you know, that people
297. 24:58can log in and experience, you know, Tony Perkins system on reading the word or Alan
298. 25:05Jackson's or Jack Graham's or whatever.
299. 25:09But we want to help you go, you know, find your center around scripture every day.
300. 25:15you need God for wisdom and be the leader you've called to be. And truly that's my calling,
301. 25:20is to raise up leaders for the next generation of America, but we cannot have leaders that
302. 25:26if they're not grounded in scripture, if they're not grounded with a biblical worldview, and
303. 25:30if we don't know, we don't, we need God every day. We can't make it on our own strengths,
304. 25:35our own gifts and talents. So I believe God's going to use this in a lot of people's lives.
305. 25:42And that's why I've been laying down my life to make all this possible.
306. 25:46Now what's a website that people can go to to learn more about this?
307. 25:51And folks again, the Bible is going to be read in our nation's capital in its entirety.
308. 25:57Genesis 1 to Revelation 22.
309. 26:00And I've got a privilege.
310. 26:02I'm one of the readers, but where can people learn more about this?
311. 26:07to America reads the Bible dot com and plan. Are you going to come to DC and come to the
312. 26:13museum, the Bible be a part of this. You can buy a ticket that gets you access to the whole
313. 26:18museum plus the Bible reading plus our private art gallery that we're facilitating of my
314. 26:24friend Mindy Oden's amazing 66 paintings of the Bible from Genesis to Revelation. The
315. 26:31interactive there'll be an interactive experience in the room. So when we're reading Genesis,
316. 26:36It's going to look different than Proverbs or Matthew.
317. 26:39So yeah, plan your trip to DC.
318. 26:42The Dead Sea Scrolls are there at the museum.
319. 26:45So this is a beautiful time to take your family, your grandkids, like come to DC for the 250th
320. 26:53and come during April 18 through 25.
321. 26:56But if you can't come, log on, get your live stream link, register for the live stream right
322. 27:02now through Great American Pure Flex.
323. 27:04But plan on, are you gathering people in your family room?
324. 27:07Are you playing it in your office for all your employees all week?
325. 27:11Are you getting your pastor to host it in their sanctuary?
326. 27:14I was just going to say.
327. 27:16Think outside of just your life and carrying around your phone with the Bible going on
328. 27:21all week.
329. 27:22I want you to do that.
330. 27:23But think about how you can use it in your community to reach people with the power of
331. 27:27scripture and the gospel.
332. 27:29You know what would be really cool if churches.
333. 27:33And I think about all over this nation, you know, from Maine to California, East West,
334. 27:39Midwest, North and South, rural, urban, I just think it would be fantastic if churches pervasively
335. 27:47throughout this nation would stream it in their sanctuary.
336. 27:52And so it's going to be like 9A to 9P, right?
337. 27:55Yeah.
338. 27:57I mean, Colorado Christian University here in Colorado is going to stream it from their
339. 28:01chapel building the entire week for their whole university. So students can come in and worship
340. 28:06and pray and sit under the Bible reading. So I want to see churches and you can go ahead,
341. 28:12churches can sign up on the website that they're willing to incorporate this into their church
342. 28:17culture in some way. But we have sermon notes for pastors to preach around the importance of the
343. 28:23Bible and use it. Use the opening ceremony and use the Bible reading in your church, please.
344. 28:28Yeah, and folks, this would be a good thing.
345. 28:32So let's say you're streaming it in your church and tell people to come on their lunch hour
346. 28:37and get their spiritual batteries charged, come and as the Word of God is read, be in prayer
347. 28:45and intercede for our nation.
348. 28:47This is a fantastic opportunity.
349. 28:51If you're just tuning in, our guest is Bunny Pounds and she's the driving force behind America
350. 28:55Reads the Bible.
351. 28:57Hey, you know, did before the Bible museum existed in Washington, that it traveled around
352. 29:04in a display called passages?
353. 29:06Did you, were you aware of that bunny?
354. 29:09I was, yes.
355. 29:10I met the man who kind of helped lead passages and, you know, kind of helped them set all that
356. 29:17up.
357. 29:18Yeah, amazing.
358. 29:19You know, this is 16, 17 years ago, but I was leading a small Christian college in Charlotte,
359. 29:25North Carolina, and I got a call from Mark Green.
360. 29:30Steve Green, the Green family with Hobby Lobby, and they called me up and they said, we're
361. 29:35coming to Charlotte, would you have lunch with us, which I did?
362. 29:39And they told me about passages and their idea for the Bible Museum.
363. 29:44And so at that time, one of my colleagues, Norm Geisler, he's in heaven now, he was a great
364. 29:49apologist. And, you know, Geisler had seen it all, and yet we went and we had a private
365. 29:56showing of some of the artifacts that they had that would ultimately be in the Bible Museum.
366. 30:01Now, folks get this. There's a fragment of the book of Genesis that is the oldest known
367. 30:10copy from Genesis. And Norm Geisler, when he saw this, he literally swooned. I mean,
368. 30:17his knees almost buckled because he had heard about this particular fragment, but he'd never
369. 30:24seen it in person. And so, among other things, folks, the oldest known portion of the book
370. 30:30of Genesis in the world is there at the Bible Museum. Also, you've heard about how William
371. 30:36Tindale translated the New Testament from Greek to English, and Tindale famously said, I will
372. 30:43not rest until there is a New Testament in the back pocket of every plowboy in Britain. Well,
373. 30:50ten-dales notes are there. I've seen them many times. And, but, Bunny, for those that have never
374. 30:56been, just try to convey how epic and awesome this Bible museum is. Yeah, the Museum of the Bible
375. 31:05is such an amazing space. I mean, like four stories, five stories with restaurants, you know,
376. 31:12focused around Israel. They have a whole Old Testament section where you're pretty much going through
377. 31:18the Old Testament, this interactive, a New Testament section that looks like where Jesus walked, right?
378. 31:24And then you've got how the Bible is impacted culture. You have every translation of the Bible
379. 31:29around the world. You have goes all the way through the Dead Sea Scrolls and everything. So,
380. 31:34and then I've been to that Dead Sea Scrolls since it just opened a couple months ago.
381. 31:38It's an unbelievable guys like 75 years, but since the Dead Sea Scrolls were on the East Coast,
382. 31:44it's only been in the country in America a couple times and it's there while we're doing this.
383. 31:50So again, I can't emphasize enough what an epic day it would be for you to spend at the museum in
384. 31:57the Bible with us during this national moment, but also all the other festivities that are going to
385. 32:03to be around. You know, people, there's no hotel rooms during July 4th in Washington,
386. 32:09DC left for the 250th and they've been gone like a year and a half. So let's make this the week for
387. 32:14the body of Christ to come to Washington and to experience all the things in the city but also
388. 32:19gather around scripture. Amen. We've got to take a brief break. Can you stay with us, Bunny,
389. 32:25for another second? Of course. Okay, stay tuned folks. We're back in a moment.
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406. 33:45We're going to resume our conversation with Bunny Pounds.
407. 33:48me just a couple of things out there and ask you to pray for. We have our summer camps coming
408. 33:55up, seven camps, and the website is equipretreat.org. And for 20, this will be our 28th year of doing
409. 34:03youth camps. Last summer, we had over 1,300 teenagers in seven camps plus one big conference.
410. 34:11We had 604 kids make a salvation decision last year. And we teach them biblical worldview
411. 34:18the truths about God and country. Many of our youth come three and four consecutive years.
412. 34:23So please pray for our summer camps, the website if you, and we're in Montana. We're in Indiana.
413. 34:30We're in upstate New Jersey and Georgia. And so we're all over the country and it could be
414. 34:39a week that just changes the life of a young person. So pray about our summer camps. Also,
415. 34:45We haven't forgotten the grown-ups. I will be at the Cove, the Billy Graham Training Center in Western
416. 34:50North Carolina. July 17 through 19, I'll be teaching on my brand new book about Bible prophecy. We'll
417. 34:56look at Daniel and Revelation. And then July 27 through 31, I'll be there with Gary Habermas,
418. 35:03the world-renowned expert on the resurrection of Christ. And so if you've never been to the Cove,
419. 35:09Oh, it is amazing.
420. 35:11It is so beautiful and the presence of God is so tangible there.
421. 35:17So I would be very honored.
422. 35:18I've been there for 20 consecutive years and this summer again, I'll be there twice in
423. 35:24July.
424. 35:25So the website is thecove.org T-H-E-C-O-V-E-V-Cove.org.
425. 35:31And as we were talking about in the previous segment, another big happening this year in
426. 35:36our nation's capital at the Bible Museum, the Bible will be read in its entirety and the person that
427. 35:42had the vision and my goodness she's worked worked a lot to make this happen. Bunny Pound,
428. 35:48she's with us now. Bunny, I just want to say thank you for not only getting it,
429. 35:55you know what our nation needs, but you've worked and you've put a lot of time into this, only God
430. 36:01knows how many hours. But thank you for being a carrier of revival in America, Bunny. Thank you.
431. 36:10Well, thank you, Alex. Yeah, my husband would tell you nobody understands what my last year has been
432. 36:16like. But it has been a really an honor and a privilege to take what I felt like the Lord gave
433. 36:22me and spearhead it. And our team, it's it has been hard for our team of 20. We have 20
434. 36:28between questions engaged in Family Policy Alliance, our parent ministry, but we've all
435. 36:32touched this at some level and our director of America reads the Bible, Jamie Thompson, who's a
436. 36:37contractor and just whole great American PureFlex team has just been amazing our production and
437. 36:43distribution team and it's going to be at a really amazing moment and I just want to say we do have
438. 36:50Candace Cameron-Barre as our national spokesperson and Cameron and BJ our net from the Forge movie
439. 36:56and opening our opening celebration on April 18, which anybody can donate and be a part of this
440. 37:04America Reads the Bible and come to that.
441. 37:07Patricia Heaton from Everyone Loves Raymond will be there speaking about her love for the Bible and so many others.
442. 37:14You know from all spirits of influence. I can't mention the cabinet member yet, but we'll have a cabinet member and
443. 37:20and Congress and Michael Cloud and many others.
444. 37:22So just check out everything in America Reads the Bible.
445. 37:25We would love to have you be there for the opening celebration
446. 37:29as we start and come to the first day of the Bible reading.
447. 37:32As we start Genesis 1, it's going to be an amazing time.
448. 37:36Indeed. You mentioned the Dead Sea Scrolls and folks.
449. 37:40I'm sure all your life you've heard people reference the Dead Sea Scrolls.
450. 37:45I cannot overstate how significant that discovery was,
451. 37:49and to see these in person, I've seen some of the scrolls at the shrine of the book in Jerusalem.
452. 37:57But for them to be in the USA and at the Bible Museum, this is a rarity. It's really,
453. 38:03and I don't say this lightly, but it's a once in a lifetime opportunity. And,
454. 38:08Bunny, if you would speak to how, I mean, there are 5,000 things you'll see and experience at the
455. 38:16the Bible Museum, but it would be worth the trip alone
456. 38:20just to be in the same room with the Dead Sea Scrolls.
457. 38:24That's huge, isn't it?
458. 38:26Yeah, there's about six or eight fragments, okay.
459. 38:29I wanna put this in perspective from the Dead Sea Scrolls,
460. 38:32and they're in these like, you know, airtight cases, right?
461. 38:37And they're gonna trade these out about four times
462. 38:40while the Dead Sea Scrolls are here in the United States.
463. 38:42And when they come out and they get transported back to Israel,
464. 38:46They have to be put away for 10 years from that one exposure.
465. 38:52Okay.
466. 38:52So it is a massive undertaking that the Museum of the Bible
467. 38:57has brought and the donors that have supported that effort
468. 39:00to bring the scrolls there.
469. 39:03And the exhibit goes way into the history.
470. 39:06It's interactive.
471. 39:08I mean, it's amazing in this limited exhibit.
472. 39:11So again, you could spend four or five hours
473. 39:15at the Museum of the Bible by itself.
474. 39:17And then you got three hours of the Bible reading
475. 39:19that you can sit under the word of God,
476. 39:21come to our private art gallery,
477. 39:23meet with our ministry partners,
478. 39:25everything that we're providing there as well.
479. 39:28And you can get a ticket through America,
480. 39:30reads the Bible and it's 50 bucks.
481. 39:32You're gonna pay 50 bucks just to get into the museum.
482. 39:34So you might as well just buy a ticket
483. 39:36for the for the Bible reading and come to all of it.
484. 39:39And it's, it is a moment in time.
485. 39:42And I just wanna encourage anybody around the country
486. 39:44that's never been in the Museum of the Bible.
487. 39:46This is the moment to come and you'll never forget it.
488. 39:49We're never gonna have the 250th birthday of America again.
489. 39:55And to center it around the Word of God for us
490. 39:58as the body of Christ is gonna be a moment we'll never forget.
491. 40:02Yeah, yeah.
492. 40:04Do you know the nonprofit that I lead
493. 40:07that we started almost 30 years ago
494. 40:10is called Project 2026.
495. 40:13Now, we do DBA doing business as truth for a new generation,
496. 40:19doing business as Alex McFarland Ministries,
497. 40:22doing business as the equip youth camps,
498. 40:25but our incorporated name, and 30 years ago,
499. 40:29people said, Project 2026,
500. 40:31why are you calling your ministry that?
501. 40:33That's our legal name,
502. 40:34because we wanted to do our utmost
503. 40:39to see a national revival by America's 250th birthday.
504. 40:44And here we are in 2026.
505. 40:46But so let me talk just a minute folks
506. 40:50about the Dead Sea Scrolls and Bunny,
507. 40:52you feel free to elaborate too.
508. 40:56Folks, one of the great miracles has been not only
509. 41:00the inspiration of God's word, but the preservation
510. 41:04and liberals 200 years after the Protestant Reformation,
511. 41:10Germany, 1517, Luther and the Reformation.
512. 41:13But by the late 1700s, coming out of Germany
513. 41:18was something called theological liberalism.
514. 41:22And the father of German liberalism
515. 41:25was a man named Friedrich Schleiermacher.
516. 41:27And one of the things they did, they really attacked
517. 41:30the book of Isaiah.
518. 41:32I think Satan hates the book of Isaiah,
519. 41:34because among other things, I mean, it's very Christocentric.
520. 41:38Like Isaiah 53, especially you read about how the Messiah
521. 41:43would die for our sins.
522. 41:45Well, anyway, when the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered
523. 41:49in the mid-1940s, at that point, the copies
524. 41:56of the Old Testament that we had were several centuries removed
525. 42:02from the time of the writing.
526. 42:04And suddenly, they found these copies of the Old Testament
527. 42:09that were from about 200 BC.
528. 42:12So, suddenly we had copies of the Old Testament,
529. 42:16and especially the book of Isaiah,
530. 42:18that were 900 years older than any of the other nine copies.
531. 42:23And, Bunny, I've read how that it was with a bit of trepidation
532. 42:29when they begin to compare our copies from,
533. 42:33you know, several centuries AD to the Dead Sea Scrolls,
534. 42:36200 BC, and much to scholars' relief,
535. 42:41not only were the words identical, preserved, identical, but even the punctuation.
536. 42:49They're what are called diacritical marks.
537. 42:51And so the Dead Sea Scrolls are an incredibly ironclad, powerful, persuasive proof that Genesis
538. 43:01through Malachi, the Old Testament, has been preserved.
539. 43:05In the book of Isaiah that critics had vehemently attacked, the Isaiah that we have is the identical
540. 43:13wording that was originally given.
541. 43:16And to see that in person, you'll never have this opportunity again.
542. 43:20And it is exciting, isn't it, Bunny?
543. 43:24It's amazing.
544. 43:25And again, to see how God has preserved Scripture, I mean, your faith is good.
545. 43:30going to walk away from this experience going like how can I live without the Bible when you see the reality of what God has done to reveal himself to his people.
546. 43:42And one thing I'm hoping Alex is so often, especially in the modern American church, we are so focused on us.
547. 43:50We're focused on our life, our needs, our business, our families, right.
548. 43:54And even when we go to scripture sometimes, it's like,
549. 43:57God, give me a word for my life to help me live right now.
550. 44:01You know?
551. 44:02And I'm really believing that this moment as people see people,
552. 44:08like, you know, that they might not think Job is cool, right?
553. 44:12Or Proverbs is cool or some of these parts of scripture.
554. 44:17But when we see the whole of the story of God and we see that we get to be a part
555. 44:21of this grand story. Like you're saying, the preservation of the Dead Sea Scrolls is one
556. 44:27section of God's grand story that we get to be a part of and he calls us to himself and
557. 44:34he says, you get to be a part of this. And that just raises our vision of who he is, who
558. 44:41we are and what we can accomplish for his kingdom. And I hope that people have that kind
559. 44:47of vision as they see the Dead Sea Scrolls, as they walk through the museum and come to
560. 44:52this public declaration of scripture.
561. 44:56And you know, again, I want to say churches, you should stream this on your screen in your
562. 45:01sanctuary. It would be a great thing to do. And, uh, Bonnie, give the website again that
563. 45:07then I want to ask you about Christians engaged, but, um, for the Bible reading that will take
564. 45:12place in April. Um, where can people learn more?
565. 45:16Yeah, America reads the Bible calm. We got almost 300 readers up all of our ministries check out everything
566. 45:24Hang out with our mobilization groups or prayer meetings. I mean we got a lot going on go to America reads the Bible calm and get involved in the movement
567. 45:33So what is Christians engaged?
568. 45:37Christians engaged is a national ministry that came out of my heart. We started December 2019
569. 45:43I spent 16 years in political consulting working for members of Congress and really
570. 45:48had really a burden that believers in Christ were not praying for our nation strong enough.
571. 45:57We were not voting in every election and we weren't engaging in culture.
572. 46:02And how to shift that?
573. 46:04How can we bring biblical worldview and civic engagement together?
574. 46:08So we started tracking every election in the country and building out a nonprofit, nonpartisan
575. 46:14ministry where for Christian, you know, says, Bunny, I want to be involved in the country.
576. 46:19I don't want to sit on the sidelines any longer.
577. 46:22Well, what can you do?
578. 46:23You can make a commitment to pray for five minutes a week for your leaders, for our country.
579. 46:28You can commit to vote in every election and start engaging.
580. 46:32So we built what I believe is one of the only national voting communication systems in the
581. 46:39country where we track every election and we remind people to vote through text and email.
582. 46:46And we've got almost, well, we're over a million Christians in that system now, Alex.
583. 46:50God has been so good.
584. 46:52But we've also built eight national curriculum projects on ramp to civic engagement, biblical
585. 46:57world view, biblical economics, my awesome vice president Ben
586. 47:01Kwan's helped me build, you know, the leadership of the MI, all
587. 47:05these different classes, we even have a full campaign school for
588. 47:08any Christian that wants to run for office. And then we just
589. 47:12released in the fall, I believe is one of the largest resource
590. 47:16libraries in the country over 100 products for pastors and ministry
591. 47:20leaders called our faith and civic engagement library. That's free
592. 47:25on our website, sermon notes, you know, white papers on issues from a biblical perspective,
593. 47:31all of it. And then we have a church outreach program and a young adult program that's just
594. 47:37blowing up. So God's been so faithful. We just keep pressing forward, but we have a place for
595. 47:42every Christian that wants to go on the front lines of the battle and make a difference.
596. 47:46They can start with Christians engage and we'll help them.
597. 47:49Um, um, Boney, do you believe that pastors should, uh, preach sermons and take positions
598. 47:56on political issues?
599. 47:58Well, I think half the things we, we say are political issues.
600. 48:02Alex are biblical issues.
601. 48:04And I do think we have to start preaching on what the Bible says on topics.
602. 48:09Um, especially Gen Z is tired of the fluff.
603. 48:13They don't want another sermon on what their destiny is.
604. 48:17want to know how do I overcome pornography addictions? How do I deal with all this gender ideology
605. 48:24issues in my school? What do I do with the Israel issue? What do I do with, you know,
606. 48:31this or that? I mean, we've got to start giving substantive messages and we're seeing pastors
607. 48:38around the country, frankly, that are doing that, you know? In my community, Josh Howerton
608. 48:44at Lake Point, Dr. Jack Graham, Dr. Robert Jeffers and others that are not afraid to take
609. 48:50on the topic.
610. 48:51I'll forgive me, we're almost out of time.
611. 48:53You're doing a great work.
612. 48:54Bunny pounds, Christians engaged in America, reads the Bible.
613. 48:57I'll be there and I encourage you to pray and attend if at all possible.
614. 49:01Thanks for listening to the Hamilton Corner.
615. 49:04May God bless you and may God bless America.
616. 49:09The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the
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