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0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
0:06This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
0:18And the philosophies of this world.
0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
0:24Even in this dark moment.
0:26Let's not miss our moment.
0:28And now, the Hamilton Corner.
0:33Well, good evening, everybody.
0:35Alex McFarland here sitting in for Attorney Pastor,
0:38broadcaster Abe Hamilton III, and what a show.
0:41In just a moment, we'll bring up Dr. Al Vida King,
0:45just a great colleague and friend.
0:47But I want to welcome you to the American Family Radio Network
0:50and have a really good show, a lot of issues
0:52to talk about in the news.
0:55And we're always privileged whenever we can converse
0:58and spend a few moments with Dr. Alveda King.
1:01And, you know, as we go through this journey,
1:06you meet a lot of people and as might be expected,
1:08some make more of an impression than others.
1:11But for years, I've just appreciated the stand
1:15and the ministry and the influence of Dr. Alveda King.
1:18There's always so much I want to ask her,
1:20but first of all, Dr. King, thank you for making time
1:24to be with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network.
1:28Alex, thank you American family radio.
1:31It's so essential in these days and time.
1:34And I thank you for letting me use my voice.
1:38You know, the Prince of the Power of the Air
1:40is only a title that the devil has.
1:43We of course are through the blood of Jesus.
1:49We occupy the airwaves.
1:51So I'm so glad to join you. Thank you.
1:53Amen. Well, thank you.
1:55And you are right about that.
1:57we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus and dwelt and sealed by His Holy Spirit.
2:02And we've got a commission to proclaim righteousness to this world, don't we?
2:08Yes, we do.
2:09And as we do that, we can be encouraged knowing.
2:12First we pray, of course, obey God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
2:16And we overcome evil with good.
2:18We deliver good news on the airwaves.
2:22And as we do that, we know that in this day and time,
2:25God is able to use us to enforce and to occupy his kingdom.
2:32Amen, amen.
2:33Hey, we'll share this a time or two,
2:35but her website is alvedaking.com,
2:39A-L-V-E-D-A-K-I-N-G,
2:42alvedaking.com.
2:46Before I barrage questions at you,
2:49and there are always so many things I wanna ask you,
2:52let me ask you this,
2:54What has been going on in your ministry these days?
2:57Are you writing?
2:59Are you touring and speaking?
3:01Bring us up today, Don, all that God is doing
3:03through you, sister.
3:05Interestingly enough, in the late 1990s,
3:08the founding pastor of Believer's Bible Christian Church,
3:11Pastor Alan Magnair and his wife, Anna, of course,
3:14now his son, Theo, and Lady Octavia are there.
3:19And he told me, he says, you need a ministry.
3:21You need an organization.
3:23So I founded King for America,
3:26which became Alveda King Ministries,
3:29and there are many branches and parts of that.
3:33And so I've been pro-life since 1983
3:36after becoming a born-again Christian.
3:38All of that kind of just comes together.
3:41I do write books, music.
3:44We do film and all of that in the entertainment
3:46or the creative industries.
3:49And so I use everything that I have and am
3:52to glorify God in the earth.
3:54Most recently, it's 75 years of age.
3:57My 75th birthday is January 22nd, 2026,
4:02but I count the time in my mother's womb, 75 years old.
4:06And I accepted two assignments for President Trump.
4:10One, I'm senior advisor to the USDA Faith Center
4:14under Secretary of Burgarralis,
4:16and then the Religious Liberty Council.
4:19So those were unexpected,
4:21but there was a call and I said yes.
4:24Amen. Well, thank you for serving our country in that regard.
4:29And you know, we've got an event coming up that I might tease out later on September 14.
4:35We're going to have Lauren Green of Fox News and Mark Walker speak on religious liberty.
4:44And let's talk for just a second the President.
4:48How significant do you think it is that, well,
4:53I believe it was a miracle, July 13th of last summer,
4:56he survived that gunshot wound,
4:58I think a miracle of God because two or three millimeters
5:03different and history would have been different.
5:06You're different story, yeah.
5:08Donald Trump has been a champion for religious freedom
5:12and I think he gets the spiritual DNA of this country.
5:17would you agree? I would agree that President Trump does understand he'll often say he said
5:23Christians what are you doing? This is what you're supposed to be doing you know he is a Christian
5:29himself and he does say and he says you know he says God saved me I'm so grateful he talks about
5:36Jesus he has prayer in the White House absolutely and in his own in his wife or people who love
5:43of the Lord and it is family.
5:45However, I think it's so remarkable
5:48that God did save his life.
5:51And he's able to proclaim that.
5:54And so that helps him to speak out for religious liberty.
5:58We don't want anti-Christian bias, absolutely not.
6:02But in America, everyone should be able to worship
6:05as they see fit that's in our US Constitution.
6:09And even if you don't want to worship,
6:11no one should make you worship.
6:13either. And so that should be that Liberty and that is one of President Trump's strongest
6:18commitments. And I'm glad to be able to help there as a senior advisor to the USDA Faith
6:25Office. That is wonderful. That is wonderful. And folks, we need to pray for Dr. Alveta
6:30King as she does this because, you know, one thing I know about you from watching and listening,
6:37wherever you go, you are sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ. And I, that's one of the
6:42reasons I think the Lord is blessing you and uses you as he does because I don't
6:48think I've ever ever heard you that you didn't bring up Jesus and salvation.
6:53Praise God. Praise God. Right. That's going to be... people need the Lord. We're one
6:58blood, one human race. We're not separate races and all of that. We need the Lord.
7:04No matter what our situation or condition in life happens to be, people
7:10honestly need the Lord and yes that is a song and I did record that you could go
7:15on YouTube, Alvita King, Sigs, you know people need the Lord I write songs to.
7:22That's wonderful. So let me ask you this, why do you think so many pastors don't use
7:32their influence and from the pulpit say you know thus sayeth the Lord about
7:38so many of these key issues of our times. Like the issue of life. Many pastors fear man
7:46more than they feel God or feel human opinion more than they fear God. And I have a message
7:53today, some of the decisions that people make in political seats or in the church pool pit
7:59or business decisions or at home, well, they might not like this. They may think this. They may do
8:05that. However, I believe in you. As you say, you know that I do
8:09this. I'm always giving good reports. Look what God did. God
8:13did this. God did that. Somebody did something nice today. Have
8:17you done something? Well, not even nice because nice is not as
8:20strong as kind. Kind is stronger. We are commanded to be kind,
8:24not just nice. But let's do something kind every day. So when
8:29we proclaim the gospel, the kindness, the goodness, the
8:32loving kindness of God, then we don't have to be afraid anymore.
8:37So most many pastors will say, well, if I say that they won't come to church, they won't
8:41do a tithe, they'll go somewhere else.
8:44Honestly, pastors actually do think that way and become afraid to tell the truth for losing
8:49members.
8:50That's a shame.
8:51Bible says, if you're a man brings a snare.
8:54Yeah, it does.
8:56It does.
8:57And I want you to feel free to speak your mind on this, but pastors used to say to me,
9:06they would say, Alex, I can't really talk about politics from the pulpit because we could lose
9:13our non-profit status and that's false.
9:17And by the way, since when do we diminish the Word of God just because of tax status or
9:25or whatever. But as of just this month, folks, there's a ruling, the Johnson Amendment, which
9:32Trump back in 2015, I heard Donald Trump say, that the 1954 Johnson Amendment had to be rescinded
9:41and clergy could speak their mind and tell the congregation what is what on political,
9:48moral and social issues, well, even if that were a shield that frightened clergy hid behind,
9:58that's been removed.
9:59Brother pastors, fellow ministers of every strata, I mean, it's free and clear to tell the world
10:07what God's position is on these issues and the world needs to hear it.
10:12Because if you gain the world and lose your soul, I don't believe that that's what we want
10:17do and we have to go ahead and proclaim the goodness, the gospel, that's why the gospel
10:23is called the good news because it really is good news.
10:26Yes, exactly, exactly.
10:30You know, every time you and I have the privilege of conversing, I love to hear about how you
10:37came up there alongside the ministry of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and the great Reverend
10:45Fred Shuttlesworth. Could you tell us a little bit about those days and the influence that
10:52those leaders made on your life?
10:55Well Martin Luther King Jr. Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Reverend Shuttlesworth. My father,
11:01Reverend Alfred Daniel Williams King. My mother, Dr. Naomi Ruth Barbara King, Daddy King.
11:07Reverend Daddy King Martin Luther King Sr. Alberta. I grew up in a family of God-fearing
11:13Gospel believing people, the men were pastors back then because when I was a little girl,
11:19in the Baptist Church, women weren't allowed to be ordained or become pastors and stand in the
11:24pulpit. That of course in the Bible it says there's no male or female bond or free only Christ
11:30got Lord and Lord of all. But I didn't know that, but I was raised in Bible school and Sunday
11:39school and church meetings and all of that the civil rights
11:43movement was founded in the gospel of Jesus Christ. And so we
11:48pray we read our Bible. So we were non violent. Of course,
11:53Martin Luther King Jr. learned that from Gandhi. But Martin Luther
11:57King Dr. Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was a Christian
11:59as a young man. He had not had his own personal conversion with
12:04Jesus Christ. But he met Jesus Christ at his table over a
12:08a cup of coffee at midnight in Montgomery.
12:12And so you need to read the conversion testimony
12:15of Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
12:17It's called a knock at midnight.
12:20Wow, wow.
12:22How many of the Christian leaders
12:25that were a part of the civil rights movement
12:27and you were there watching it unfold as well?
12:31And was it?
12:32Not watching it participated.
12:33Got marched and led the movements
12:36and with the jail and the movement all that.
12:38I didn't only watch it, I was part of it.
12:40Exactly, exactly.
12:43Well, it was the Southern Christian Leadership Coalition.
12:48Wasn't that the name?
12:50Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
12:52And then over in Kentucky, my daddy found it,
12:55Revenate Eking, the Kentucky Christian Leadership Conference
12:59following in the steps of his brother.
13:01So the Southern Christian Leadership Conference
13:04was led by ministers.
13:06at that time men of God that were women of God also.
13:10And so that's what it was, S-C-L-C.
13:14And I remember reading of when people were gonna march
13:19alongside the number one commitment on the card
13:25is said I will meditate daily on the life
13:27and teachings of Jesus, didn't it?
13:29Jesus Christ, I will read my Bible, I will pray,
13:31I will be kind, I will repent, repentance was part
13:35of all of that, absolutely.
13:36Forgive others, yes.
13:39And so many people today,
13:41I don't think they realize how deeply overtly Christian
13:47the movement was.
13:49Very Christian movement.
13:51And any movement that succeeds or stands
13:55should be grounded, will have to be grounded
13:58in the gospel of Jesus Christ, the gospel.
14:01And so ours certainly was.
14:03And when that was gone, Martin Luther King was killed in 68,
14:07my dad killed in 69, my grandma killed Martin was shot,
14:11dad was choked and thrown in the pool, grandma was shot.
14:15After they left, people thought that politics
14:18would be the answer.
14:19It was almost the same as 9-11 here at the turn of the century.
14:23In America, you know, when the Twin Towers were bombed,
14:26nobody says, God help us, we repent.
14:29We must have been doing wrong, please,
14:31that live us and help it, it said that the leaders,
14:34we will rebuild, not with the help of God,
14:37there was not enough prayer.
14:39And we did learn over the next several years
14:42into these two decades.
14:43Forgive me, we've got a brief break.
14:45We're gonna come right back.
14:47Alex McCrallen here with our very special guest,
14:49Dr. Alvita King, don't go away, folks.
14:52We're back after this brief break.
15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
15:04What are some biblical characteristics
15:06and some biblical standards that help us see
15:09and define what a godly man looks like.
15:11Here are a few.
15:13Number one, he has received Jesus Christ
15:16as Lord and Savior of his life.
15:18Number two, he seeks to read the word of God daily
15:21for himself.
15:22Number three, he spends time daily in prayer.
15:26Number four, he seeks to have a time daily
15:29to bring the family together to read the word of God,
15:32teach from the word of God and pray together.
15:35Number five, he takes and or makes time to train
15:38and instructs his children.
15:40Teaching them about God, the Word of God
15:42and teaching them wisdom for all ears of life.
15:46Number six, he seeks to lead and take his family
15:48to church regularly, such as worship service on Sundays
15:52and Bible studies on Wednesdays.
15:54Number seven, he has a sense of mission in his life.
16:01Pastor Joseph Parker from equipping the church
16:03to stand boldly for life.
16:05Ten excellent reasons to read God's word daily.
16:07Number one, it tells you genuinely how to be saved
16:09and how to grow up in your faith.
16:11Number two, it gives you clear guidance and direction
16:13for much of your life.
16:14A third reason is it empowers your prayer life,
16:17worth because it sharpens your ability
16:19to hear the Holy Spirit speak more and more clearly
16:22to you in your life.
16:23A fifth reason, God's word minuses
16:25to your mind, body, and spirit.
16:27A sixth reason, it helps you maintain your mental health.
16:30Number seven, it increases God's anointing
16:33on every part of your life.
16:34Number eight, it increases your wisdom.
16:37A ninth reason, it enhances your intellect and your personality.
16:41And a tenth reason, it pours grace, peace, mercy,
16:45and joy into your spirit, your mind, and your life.
16:47Find Pastor Joseph and many more excellent messages
16:50from the AFA Cultural Institute at stream.afa.net.
16:55I would challenge and encourage you to consider starting
16:57a habit of reading at least three chapters
16:59in your Bible every day.
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18:05Shining light into the darkness, this is the Hamilton Quarter.
18:09on American Family Radio.
18:12Welcome back to the program, alvidekink.com.
18:15I would urge you to go there and look at Dr. Alvidekink's
18:19website, alvidekink.com.
18:21You know, we've only got a couple of more minutes.
18:24And folks, later on in the show,
18:25we will have Dr. Jerry Nukem of the Providence Forum
18:28and take questions.
18:30But before the break, we were talking about the leaders
18:33that made up the civil rights movement overtly Christian.
18:39Tell us any final thoughts and maybe we'll talk about it more to later date, but what would you like people to know about your uncle, your father, that season of our history that people probably don't know?
18:58The civil rights movement of the 20th century
19:04was founded on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
19:08We need Jesus more than ever today now here at this time.
19:15This is up for such a time as this moment.
19:18And if you want to follow the example
19:21of those who have gone before us,
19:23we must follow them as they follow Christ.
19:28Amen. Amen. One last question I'll let you go. How important is the issue of life, legal protection
19:36for the unborn? And as abortion is rampant in our country, does that hold back the blessing of God
19:45from us? Human life from the womb to the tomb and beyond is a precious gift from God. And if we're
19:56We're going to succeed.
19:58We're going to have to choose life and let that life be abundant in every stage.
20:05Amen.
20:06Amen.
20:07Dr. Alveda King, thank you for being with us tonight.
20:10It is always an honor to speak with you.
20:12Her website again, alvedaking.com.
20:16Thank you, sister.
20:17And we look forward to when we can talk again.
20:19Alex McFarland.
20:20Thank you, Dr. Lesch.
20:22God bless you, dear one.
20:23Alex McFarland here.
20:25By the way, as we continue on, I want to remind people that we have a speaker series that we're
20:31in process, conversations that matter.
20:34Last Thursday night, we had nearly 2,000 people from 17 states to come in here, Charlie Kirk.
20:41And I want to thank everybody for coming out.
20:43And so many people stood and shook my hand and they said they love exploring the world,
20:48they love the American Family Radio Network.
20:51And folks, I believe God is building a movement.
20:54I really do and you can be a part of it.
20:56Revival the spiritual awakening
20:59that our nation so desperately needs.
21:01And as with all of the truly great awakenings,
21:05the authentic great awakenings,
21:07one of the earmarks of a movement of God like this
21:10is a return to the authority of scripture and the Bible.
21:15And folks, as we honor God's word,
21:19God will continue to work in our nation.
21:22on 1717, Jesus said, sanctify them by thy truth, thy word is truth. That's what the Holy Bible
21:31is. It is the very word of God. Well, just a valued colleague and friend that believes
21:37that too is Dr. Jerry Newcomb with the Providence Forum. You've read his work, no doubt, he is
21:45not only a great Christian thinker, he's a prolific author. It seems like every day or
21:51so I get great articles in my inbox written by Dr. Jerry Nukem. He's with us now. Dr. Nukem,
21:59thanks for making time to be with us tonight on the American Family Radio Network.
22:03Oh, thank you, Alex. Thanks for the privilege.
22:06Oh, yes. Well, before we get into some questions, what's the latest? What is on your
22:14your word processor. I know you're researching and writing, you do it so much and so well.
22:21Well, thank you. Coming out tonight, in fact, on World in the Daily, will be my latest article.
22:29And actually, it's a tribute to Dr. James Dobson and the man whom Dr. James Dobson, the human man
22:38that James Dobson gave credit to for his incredible ministry.
22:44And you know who that was?
22:46Perhaps, DJ James.
22:47If I was in Kennedy.
22:48No, it was his own father.
22:50It was a doctor.
22:51Doctor Dobson, James Dobson.
22:54It was actually James Dobson, senior, Reverend,
22:57James Dobson, senior.
22:59And James Dobson, junior, doctor James Dobson.
23:02So the one we all know is James Dobson, junior, technically.
23:05Okay, so when he was a young boy in the early teenage years,
23:11he started to rebel.
23:13And his father was a traveling evangelist
23:17out in the west, west part of the country.
23:19And when he got the word that James, Jim needed more help
23:26and more attention from his own dad,
23:28his dad canceled the slate of meetings that he had upcoming.
23:33He moved the family south about 700 miles to a small little place in Texas where he became
23:41a pastor of a church, a much smaller ministry, but he wanted to do this to focus on Jim and
23:48make sure that James Dobson Jr. that his life would come out all right.
23:55And it did.
23:56And then later when after a focus on the family just absolutely took off and everything,
24:03the senior was praying and asking God for guidance for the rest of his life.
24:08He was at the age of 66 and he was fasting and praying and he felt as if God was
24:13saying to him that I've heard your prayers and I'm going to actually take
24:20the ministry and go worldwide through your work.
24:24It's going to reach millions and I'm going to do that through your son.
24:28And James stops in junior didn't even get this word until about seven
24:32years later from his aunt about this whole thing. But it's very encouraging. It's just like, oh, wow.
24:38So James Stopsen Jr., the one we all knew and loved and who just died last week,
24:46was so blessed by his father's ministry and input into his own life, and that he was able to share
24:54that by God's grace all around the world. So it's such an encouraging thing. And I actually,
25:00I learned of all this from doing a feature with him back in 1993 for coral
25:05ridge ministries and they even let me look at home movies of the James Dobson
25:13family. So I got to see hiking and you know fishing and all this kind of stuff.
25:18There's all in the West and so anyway Dr. Dobson said to me now listen Jerry I'm
25:23letting you look at these home movies and this transfer of these home movies. I
25:27I don't want to see this on any other program, you know, no other episode of Core Origin
25:32Ministries or whatever.
25:34It's just for this segment, okay?
25:35Understood?
25:36Yes, sir.
25:37Yes, sir.
25:38And we were totally good with that.
25:41And so, but it was a privilege to look at those old home movies and they were well shot
25:46actually, six millimeter in the 40's.
25:48Oh, do you know?
25:50And I heard him tell that story too.
25:52And I had a total of eight years I worked for Dr. Dobson.
25:58And I got to tell you, Jerry, and I'll tell you where I'm going with this in just a moment,
26:04but everything really, everything good that's happened in my wife and I, our ministry over
26:13the last 22 years came through Dr. Dobson.
26:18Now whenever I've shared this, Dr. Dobson would say to me, Alex, it came through Jesus, and
26:23yes, that is absolutely true.
26:25To God be the glory.
26:27But I was a youth pastor here in Greensboro, North Carolina, and we were renting the local
26:33Colosseum, and I had done events and brought in Josh McDowell and a lot of speakers like that.
26:41We actually brought Coach Tom Landry to Greensboro.
26:44We had 8,000 teenagers, but we did an event at Yale up in New Haven, Connecticut.
26:51Well, Christianity Today wrote a little tiny piece about youth and apologetics.
26:59And a guy saw that named HB London.
27:03That was Dr. Dobson's cousin who was working at Focus.
27:06And Dr. London called me up and he said, are you that youth apologetics guy?
27:11And I said, yes, sir.
27:13He goes, well, my cousin, Jim Dobson, may he call you?
27:19And I was like, yes.
27:22And anyway, so Dr. Dobson called me up and he said, I'm going to cut to the chase.
27:28This is exactly what he said.
27:29I'm going to cut to the chase.
27:31I want you to bring your circus under our tent.
27:35And two months later, my wife and I were living in Colorado Springs.
27:41This was back in late 2003, but that was the perfect next step for us and so many things.
27:52But when Dr. Dobson passed last week, I'm telling you, you know it, I know it from personal
28:00working for him.
28:01He was one of the greats.
28:03He was one of the greats.
28:05Now here's what I want to ask you to do.
28:07Oh, yeah, if you don't mind, Dr. Dobson is the one who eulogized DJ James Kennedy.
28:13So when DJ James Kennedy died in 2007, Dr. Dobson spoke and it was so beautiful.
28:20And the two of them along with Bill Bright and Martin Maddox and Larry Burkett and one
28:25or two others, they founded the ADF, which is still going strong to help fight for our
28:31religious freedom.
28:32Oh, why does defending sweet?
28:33We owe a lot to Dr. Dobson.
28:36And I have to say also, we owe a lot to D. James Kennedy too.
28:39And I've heard you talk about that.
28:41But didn't you say one time your own family benefited
28:46your parents from watching Dr. Kennedy on TV?
28:50They really did.
28:51And folks, if you're just tuning in, Alex McFarland here,
28:54and I'm talking with my longtime friend and colleague,
28:57Dr. Jerry Nukem, just one of my, literally one
29:01of my favorite authors and folks, anything that he has written you need to read. Really,
29:08you will not be disappointed. But yeah, Jerry, in the mid 80s, our family farm, we had an
29:16egg farm for 88 years. My grandfather, my dad, and 68 of those 88 years, we were in the
29:24egg business. We had eggs, chicken and egg customers all over the Mid-Atlantic region.
29:30But the gas crunch of the late 70s, market forces, by 1985 we were nearly a million dollars in
29:40debt. My sister and I were in our late teens and mom and dad were always fighting and it
29:49It was a hard time. My dad was a small businessman with 18 employees and we were going bankrupt.
29:56The bank literally came to put us out of our house. The mortgage was in arrears and nobody
30:04knew that. But what happened was, and I was not a Christian yet. I mean, I had been to
30:10church, but I didn't have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ yet. Well, my mother and
30:15dad one day called us in and my sister and I we knew things were bad and my dad said
30:21we might lose the house we might lose everything but your mother and I have committed our lives
30:28to Christ and we've been watching they were watching two shows that were watching Charles
30:34Stanley but they were watching D. James Kennedy and little by little we begin to get stacks of
30:41VHS tapes of James Kennedy preaching. My dad and my mother were like deep fans and followers
30:51of the Coral Ridge Hour. And I began to watch too and that's a lot of what I learned about
30:58biblical worldview. But watching James- That's fantastic. What you just said, Alex, you're
31:06the man when it comes to the whole cultural mandate that we should be salt and light.
31:10not just light but also salt in the culture.
31:14God is very nice of you to say that about Dr. Kennedy.
31:17Well, he was amazing.
31:19I had the privilege of meeting him on one occasion,
31:22personally having a conversation with him,
31:24but my mother and dad committed their life to Christ,
31:27and they were in there at this point,
31:29they would have been in their late 60s.
31:31And watching D. James Kennedy,
31:34they committed their life to Christ.
31:36And I'll never forget the family meeting.
31:38It was very impactful.
31:40We gathered around the coffee table.
31:43And again, I was at this point, I don't know, 18 or 19.
31:47I didn't understand a lot of anything.
31:51And my dad said, children, we might lose everything.
31:55But your mother and I have given our life to Christ.
31:58And we've got Jesus Christ.
32:00And that's what's most important.
32:02But it was the D. James Kennedy show where he would come on and he would explain the
32:08gospel and my parents accepted Christ and hey all of our problems didn't evaporate overnight
32:17but I saw a difference and then at age 21 I started going to a Monday night Bible study
32:24and I asked Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior but I'm going to tell you Dr. Newcomb
32:31I saw a real, real change in my parents and the fighting stopped mostly.
32:41And that new life changed lasted for the rest of their lives.
32:47Now I want to talk for a moment and we'll probably have to pick this up on the other
32:52side of the break.
32:55In the late 70s, God raised up some people.
32:58My boss and mentor, James Dobson, Dr. Don Wildman of the American Family Association, Chuck Colson,
33:06Phyllis Schlafley, and yes, D. James Kennedy, did you ever see that in a time period in the
33:17late 70s as our country was losing its way.
33:22But God was raising up some very key cultural and spiritual leaders, wasn't he?
33:29He was.
33:30And in every single case, they had to deal with a lot of pushback.
33:36And I remember, I grew up in the Chicago area, and I remember hearing all these terrible things
33:42about Philislavley, that lady saved America from the E.R.A.
33:47She did. She saved America from the E.R.A.A. and she was, you know, she was kind of like
33:53the feminist archenemy, but in reality, she was almost like a real role model because she
33:59used to talk about sequencing. She had a family, many children, she was a full-time mother and
34:08you know, when the children were small, when they needed her, she focused on her family.
34:12Then when the children got out of the house and everything, then she went to law school
34:18and became a lawyer and then eventually started Eagle Forum and did a lot as Salt and Light.
34:24Jerry Falwell used his Baptist Cupid in the Lynchburg, Virginia area and
34:30impacted all kinds of different people. And he gave up, he was a great example of being salt and
34:35light and just showing that, hey, the scriptures apply to all of life.
34:40And as Paul Blair, who's been influenced by all these different people, I know you know
34:46who Paul Blair is.
34:47I'm hoping that we've got to take a break.
34:50We're going to come back.
34:51Paul Blair is a great friend, more with Dr. Jerry Nukem after this.
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38:45Welcome back to the program.
38:46Alex McFarland here along with longtime friend and colleague Dr. Jerry Nukem.
38:50And you know, we're kind of talking about the culture wars, which really is a spiritual
38:56battle for the soul of the DNA, the future of our nation.
39:00If you have a question, Dr. Jerry Nukem is a veteran and has been there.
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39:18Dr. Nukem, I love history because it really does give context.
39:24I was thinking about the vision of D. James Kennedy for whom you worked.
39:30I think about James Dobson, who was my boss, and my now 15 years on the air and with the
39:38American Family Association, founded by Don Wildman, Dr. Don Wildman.
39:44I really think what I did with and for focus on the family in James Dobson prepared me for
39:51the day I got a call from AFA, but Phyllis Schlafly, who was a champion for life and Jerry
40:00Falwell.
40:03Those guys and women, they were so visionary in the late 70s.
40:09Would you agree that those leaders, and I think about Bill Bright and Adrian Rogers,
40:15who at a key moment helped save the Southern Baptist Convention from moderate slash liberal
40:22theology in his day.
40:25Those leaders, they were raised up by God, weren't they?
40:29Yes, they were.
40:30And I think they even helped save the nation.
40:33I think they were helpful, for example, to bring in Ronald Reagan, who did a lot, to try
40:40and stemmed the tide of the corruption that was going on in the culture.
40:45And basically what it boiled down to is they were just trying to be salt and light where
40:50God had placed them.
40:52Just before the break, I had mentioned a gentleman named Paul Blair.
40:55He used to play football, not that I follow sports at all, but he used to be with the
40:59Bears.
41:00But now he leads pastors in Liberty pastors conferences and so forth.
41:06I was just at one of those the other day and he said by the way he quoted you, but he said that
41:13You know here's my question for everybody all you pastors what part of
41:19Your life is Jesus Christ not Lord of
41:23You know is there some part of your life that that
41:28The pulpits had never even mentioned because you know you're ashamed of him or something like that
41:34So really what it goes on to what we're talking about is what is often called the cultural mandate
41:41Dr. Peter Loech
41:42calls it the public theology
41:46Jesus called it salt and light but really one man described it very well. He said and that was Frank, right? He said
41:53The cultural mandate means applying the mind of Christ to the great issues of the day
41:59Yes, I think that's about as great a definition as I've ever heard and I think that's what we need to do
42:05We just need to wherever God has placed us whatever
42:09Portion of this world that he's put us in just to be salt and light and to be faithful
42:15Where he's placed us and did not compromise too often as you know Alex people tend to compromise
42:23Sometimes it's just honestly it's just fear of man or maybe it's just
42:29not caring enough about that issue.
42:32Could I give one anecdote of what to do?
42:36Real fast?
42:37Absolutely.
42:38Okay, yes.
42:39The two gentlemen that wrote that wonderful,
42:42modern classic, Christian hymn in Christ alone.
42:47Sure.
42:48They were asked by a liberal denomination.
42:50They said, we love your hymn.
42:52We love to use it in our hymnal.
42:54However, we just wanna change one little line
42:58and then we can publish it and we'll send you royalties and so forth or, you know,
43:04some kind of a statement. And the line was,
43:08and on the cross as Jesus died,
43:12the wrath of God was satisfied.
43:15And what the liberal denomination wanted to change it to was,
43:19and on the cross as Jesus died, the love of God was magnified.
43:25In other words, they would have taken out the heart of the gospel.
43:29Jesus Christ crucified for sinners died for our salvation.
43:35Right.
43:35And God bless Mr. Getty and Mr.
43:39Townon, they said, no.
43:42And so the liberal denomination said, then no, we're not going to publish your book,
43:47your song, your hymn.
43:50And they said, well, so be it.
43:52And we need to take stands where we are and that's where the difference, that's where in
44:00the difference lay.
44:01And I think that's when you look back at the life of these great leaders that God raised
44:06up male or female britzes, it boils down to they didn't compromise at a critical time
44:14and it made a huge difference for Christ.
44:16Absolutely, absolutely.
44:18It boils down to the authority of God's Word.
44:22Yes.
44:23I love over and over in the Bible, many, many verses attest to the Bible's authenticity and
44:31authority.
44:32I love that phrase.
44:33It says, diminish not a word.
44:38We're not to edit, truncate, or shrink down God's Word, are we?
44:43Right, exactly.
44:45He has given us so much.
44:48The Bible, when I first discovered the Bible as a young born-again college student at the
44:54age of 18, many years ago, at Tulane University in New Orleans, I remember starting to read
45:00the Bible and it's like, wow, where is this book been all my life?
45:03And it was, it was just, even just in terms of the culture, it was like, wow, look at all
45:10these phrases, everyday phrases, and they come from this book.
45:13I knew these names and so forth.
45:16I didn't know exactly what the stories were and the associations.
45:21And, you know, I've even, I forgot to what it was.
45:24I think it was Richard Dawkins, the atheist, in his book, The God Delusion.
45:29It's a well-written book by an atheist promoting atheism, but he actually says near the end
45:34of it.
45:35Now, I don't believe that the Bible is the Word of God.
45:37However, you are culturally illiterate if you do not know the Bible and you should read
45:43the Bible just so you can know it's rich literature value. And it's like, oh, okay, we believe the
45:50Bible because it's the Word of God. But it is also true that it's great literature and it's
45:57the most important book in the whole world. I think it's easily arguable that the King James
46:03Version in the English language is probably the greatest book ever produced in the English
46:09language and it's only a better would be John Milton's Paradise Lost, which some people
46:16say that's the greatest masterpiece in English language.
46:21And what is Paradise Lost?
46:22Oh it's a retelling of the biblical story.
46:24Sure, sure.
46:25It's amazing.
46:26Oh well, hands down, I mean the King James Bible is the most influential book in world
46:32history I believe.
46:34You know, Jerry, I was in a worldview conference about a month ago, and one of the speakers
46:42said that more Christian universities have been started than all other types of universities
46:49combined.
46:50I mean, there have been law schools and medical schools, and you know, people start institutions
46:56for a myriad of reasons, but more Christian educational institutions, yeah, than all others
47:03combined. Harvard, Yale, Dartmouth. I remember one time the Washington Post had said that
47:12the followers of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson are ignorant, easily led, and foolish, something
47:19like that. They said that in the paper and the next day they apologized for it. But Dr.
47:25D. James Kennedy made a remark about that one time and he said, you know, so a lot of
47:29people in our culture think that Christians are basically ignorant. I'm not sure if the
47:34Reverend John Harvard would agree with that or the Puritan, Elohoo Yale or the Princeton
47:40elders who, I mean the Presbyterian elders who founded Princeton and you get the idea.
47:46It's just, it's so true though, the link between Christianity and literacy all around
47:52the world. Even frankly, even a lot of languages in the world have been first and were first
47:59set to writing by Christians for Christian purposes.
48:03So people could be able to read the Bible for themselves.
48:06It's actually fascinating.
48:08The link, by the way, between literacy and prosperity
48:12is very strong.
48:14And so therefore the link between the Christian gospel
48:18is gone.
48:18It's made a huge difference.
48:20Dee James Kenan and I wrote a couple of books about this.
48:22What if Jesus had never been born?
48:24What if I had never been written?
48:26And it's basically you could say those books
48:28could be called because Jesus was born. Look at all these positive things and same with the Bible.
48:33Oh, I want to take a call. Let's go to Kansas, a K in Kansas. K, thanks for holding. Welcome to
48:41our conversation with Dr. Jerry Newcomb. Oh, yes. Well, thank you for taking my call. I so appreciate
48:48your program and the kind of encouragement and exhortations you're giving. And I just wanted to
48:56kind of co-tell on what you both were talking about,
49:03that there has to be confronting.
49:06I'm on the fourth reading through of the Bible.
49:08I'm starting on Revelation, which I'm not bragging about that
49:12because there are people that have read the Bible much more.
49:15But one thing that really stood out to me is that with all
49:20the false teachers that were infiltrating the churches,
49:25Peter talked about it, Paul talked about it.
49:29You know, John, you know, they had the name name sometimes,
49:33but they never said, well, you better go find another church.
49:38They, you know, they were all about, we've got to put this down,
49:43this false teaching, we've got to reform, do it biblically,
49:48you know, talk to that brother, and, you know, it needs to be men,
49:54not women, you know, I can't really do that in the speed, the men in the congregation,
50:01and they've got to know the Word of God, and they've got to catch things that, oh, you know,
50:07and they're not there just to catch things, they're there to learn, but if they notice something,
50:11they've got to talk to that pastor or that elder, you know, it's never, because I hear all the time,
50:19and well often I hear people calling in on radio programs and they're saying you know or the host
50:26is saying well I get calls about people can't find a good church well we have to make our churches
50:31good and nobody likes to do that nobody likes confrontation you know that's hard but you know
50:42the Bible requires it you know it's not flee your church go find some other church because the
50:48trajectory of that is, well, when you pass out tracks or share the gospel, where are those
50:55people supposed to go?
50:57Okay.
50:58And I think about Matthew 18 and Church Discipline and 1 Timothy 5, 20, them that sin rebuke before
51:07all that others also may fear.
51:10Dr. Newcomb, I especially think about when it comes to teachings that are heretical.
51:17Why is there not the willingness within many denominations or churches to self-correct and
51:25get back to what the Bible says?
51:27What do you think that is?
51:29Well, I think in some cases it boils down to people's wanting their ears to be itched.
51:35They want to hear what they want to hear.
51:38There's really a couple of different things that you brought up and then the call or two.
51:44One thought that came to mind is the old statement which I thought was from R.C.
51:48Sproul and then I learned, oh, it's actually Spurgeon.
51:50A lot of these things you just keep tracing it back.
51:53But anyway, the thought goes like this, if you ever find a perfect church, don't join
51:57it because then it will no longer be perfect.
51:59Okay, that's point one.
52:01Point number two, there are some churches where unfortunately as they just let go of biblical
52:07authority, they just get worse and worse and worse and worse.
52:13Erwin Lutzer uses a great example in one of his books about two drop lots of water that are close
52:19to each other around the time of the or around the area of the continental divide in the United
52:24States and then they're they're they're real close and then they're about an inch apart and then before
52:29long they're about a foot apart and before long they're miles apart and when if a church gets rid of
52:38biblical authority for all practical purposes.
52:40They ordain homosexuals.
52:41Oh, okay.
52:42I mean, are you serious?
52:45I mean, it's not just, you know,
52:47to say that homosexuality is a sin.
52:49It's not to say that, you know,
52:50we don't agree with same sex marriage,
52:53but to actually ordain people
52:55that are in full for rebellion in this way.
52:58We'll try to get one more question.
52:59That's totally wrong.
53:00But that's different than, let's say,
53:02a church where there's, you know,
53:03some arguments about some of the nuances of biblical oriented doctrine.
53:10You know, we're almost out of time. David in Kentucky, I'm sorry. David in Kentucky had
53:15a question about the Bible chained to a pulpit. Wasn't that the great Bible that was, I think
53:22it was in England that the Bible was changed? It wasn't in England. When the Bible was first
53:27made available in the English language and ironically it was Henry VIII who did it. He
53:32He had Tyndale killed and Tyndale prayed,
53:37God opened the King of England's eyes.
53:39Three years later, He allowed the Bible to be released.
53:42It was so popular, it had to be chained to the pulp
53:45but because people wanted it
53:48and they just couldn't get enough of it.
53:50Today we have an embarrassment of riches
53:52with all kinds of Bibles, that's fantastic.
53:54Dr. Jerry Newcom, I wanna thank you.
53:56And folks, listen, remember your labor in the Lord
53:58is not in vain.
53:59Stay bold, stand strong, speak up, be an influencer for Jesus.
54:04We'll see you again soon.
54:06The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast may not necessarily reflect those of the American
54:15Family Association or American Family Radio.

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