Dr. Alex McFarland is joined by Dr. Michael Rydelnik, as they discuss taking a Stand Against Antisemitism and current events surrounding the recent attack in Boulder, CO

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15. 0:43But I bid you greetings from beautiful Montana.
16. 0:47I am deep in the hills of Montana, Western USA.
17. 0:52We're in the middle of our first of seven summer
18. 0:56biblical worldview youth camps.
19. 0:58And so right now I want to say big kudos
20. 1:02to our engineer Jeff McIntosh because the audio is working
21. 1:06and will continue to work, we hope.
22. 1:08But we're having a great time at a wonderful camp
23. 1:11called Trails and Ranch.
24. 1:13We were here last summer for the first time.
25. 1:16Got about 130 youth here last night.
26. 1:20The Spirit of God moved in a great way.
27. 1:22Had approximately 18 teenagers that prayed to accept Christ
28. 1:26their Savior. I was yesterday, talked about, you know, does God exist? But then last night,
29. 1:33really talked about the gospel and what does it mean to be born again? And so God is moving. I
30. 1:39appreciate everyone's prayers as we have a great summer with ultimately God willing. We'll have about
31. 1:461,200 teenagers in seven camps. But today is a very special day. You know, one of the breaking news
32. 1:53stories as I flew to Montana just a few days ago to start this camp was in Colorado, a horrible
33. 2:00act of terrorism against a peaceful gathering, a very peaceful gathering to show solidarity and
34. 2:08support for Israel. And as you know, I'm sure you've seen the news, a man that was in the country
35. 2:14illegally, pro-Hamas, pro-Palestinian agitator killed, an individual injured, a dozen. And
36. 2:25I want to talk about the need for Christians and really all people, but especially believers
37. 2:33to be consistent and unequivocal in their condemnation of anti-Semitism, which is really
38. 2:42Jew hatred. And I'll read a scripture and then we've got just an expert to weigh in on this subject
39. 2:49and help us to have an appreciation for the gravity of this subject. But Genesis 12, 2 and 3, the word of
40. 2:58God, very famously, this is the call of Abraham, but God made this promise to Abraham, Genesis 12,
41. 3:052, and I will make of thee a great nation and I will bless thee and make thy name great and thou
42. 3:12shall be a blessing. And I will bless them that bless thee and curse him that
43. 3:17curses thee and in thee shall all the families of the earth be blessed." Now there
44. 3:23are libraries of good theology and teaching that could be drawn out of those
45. 3:28verses but there is a promise to the Jewish people. God told Abraham and I
46. 3:34I think this is absolute truth, that to be a friend to the Jewish people and to be a friend
47. 3:42of the nation of Israel is a blessing.
48. 3:46And I've said it many times, the greatest favor any president could ever do the American people
49. 3:51is to be a friend of the nation of Israel.
50. 3:53And so we're living in a world where there's so many lines of demarcation, you know, God
51. 4:01or secularism, of objective morality versus relativism and revisionism and
52. 4:08wokeness. But really, you can understand much about a person's worldview these days
53. 4:14about where they are willing to take a stand regarding Israel and just the basic human rights do
54. 4:23all people, but especially Jewish people.
55. 4:26Well, I'm very honored to converse about this end of the subjects with Michael
56. 4:32Rydelnik. I met him 20 years ago, I suppose, through a mutual friend, the late
57. 4:37great scholar Dr. Barry Leventhal, who, you know, Dr. Leventhal and I worked
58. 4:42together at Southern Evangelical Seminary many years ago. Barry Leventhal was a
59. 4:48born again Jewish believer, brilliant. He was just one of those guys that I could call on to teach
60. 4:55anything from Hebrew, Greek, philosophy, church history, Jewish history. And I want to talk about him
61. 5:03because his work should not be forgotten. But I had not known Dr. Bier-Lebenthal very long before he
62. 5:10began to tell me about Michael Rydelnik. And he said, you need to know Michael Rydelnik. He's brilliant,
63. 5:17He's godly and indeed he is all of those things you may know the name because he hosts open line radio the website open line radio
64. 5:25Org on the great moody radio network also his website Michael right del Nick
65. 5:31Dot org and that's our yd el n ik
66. 5:36But and he is an author. We'll talk about that. He's graciously given us of his time today to be on the American family radio network
67. 5:44Michael right del Nick
68. 5:46friend of a friend, it's a great honor to have you on the program today.
69. 5:51It's great to be with you. Thank you so much for having me. And I'm so glad that we share this esteem and love for Barry.
70. 6:01Barry, well, I met Barry when I was just a freshman in college and a teenager, really. And he taught the Bible at a camp and I thought, I want to teach like him.
71. 6:15That's how I want to teach.
72. 6:17And so I ended up going to Dallas Seminary
73. 6:21because that's where he had gone to seminary.
74. 6:24And he had just come back to start doctoral work
75. 6:27and where they put him on as an education professor,
76. 6:30Christian education.
77. 6:32So he was teaching and studying for his doctorate
78. 6:35while I was there doing my THM.
79. 6:37And it was just the greatest experience.
80. 6:40Let me use his office.
81. 6:42He would always say, this is the classic Barry.
82. 6:45I bought two of these books by accident.
83. 6:48You can have one.
84. 6:49I found out that he was doing that on purpose.
85. 6:52Amen.
86. 6:53He was a great guy.
87. 6:55Do you know what he gave me?
88. 6:56Because Dr. Leventhal and I talked at links
89. 7:00about sharing the gospel with Jewish people.
90. 7:04I come from Greensboro, North Carolina,
91. 7:07lots and lots of wonderful Jewish people there.
92. 7:12In fact, really several Jewish families
93. 7:16pretty much built that town, the Cone family.
94. 7:20And so I have a lot of Jewish friends,
95. 7:23some of whom are believe-versed and some of whom are not,
96. 7:26but he gave me a book by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum,
97. 7:30Jesus was a Jew.
98. 7:32And I think he said that, if I recall,
99. 7:36Barry Levithon, he would say,
100. 7:37I accidentally bought two of these, let me give you one.
101. 7:41And folks, that's a gracious thing to do.
102. 7:45If you have a Christian book that has shaped your life,
103. 7:48get a copy and you'll have an opportunity
104. 7:50to impart one to somebody.
105. 7:52But, Liz, I've kind of known of you from afar,
106. 7:57respected you.
107. 7:58Now, you are one of the authors of the Moody Handbook,
108. 8:02a wonderful reference book,
109. 8:05really of Messianic prophecy, aren't you?
110. 8:08The Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy had the great privilege of editing and contributing
111. 8:14to that book.
112. 8:15It has about, I think about 25 evangelical scholars who contributed.
113. 8:21And it's a reference book, as you say.
114. 8:25It's not the kind of book, although there have been people who have told me they sat down
115. 8:28and read it from cover to cover.
116. 8:29I don't know how they did that.
117. 8:33But it's a reference book as you're studying.
118. 8:36I was visiting a church recently and the pastor was preaching on Joel 2.
119. 8:43And interestingly, there's sort of a hidden messianic prophecy in Joel 2, 23.
120. 8:50And he was arguing for it being a messianic verse.
121. 8:53And he said, as author, Michael Rydelnik has written, and he had a quote up for me.
122. 9:01And I'm sitting there kind of smirking.
123. 9:03I was laughing.
124. 9:04And that's kind of surreal, isn't it?
125. 9:07Yeah, that is kind of funny.
126. 9:08But yeah, I'm grateful to God that I had the privilege of working on this.
127. 9:11This is the desire of mine.
128. 9:13That's how I came to the Lord was through Messianic prophecy.
129. 9:17And that's why it's always been near and dear to me.
130. 9:23Indeed.
131. 9:24I don't mean to date you, your age, but would you have been, you're coming to Christ, Dr.
132. 9:32Adelen, would you have been part of the Jesus movement?
133. 9:35Absolutely. 1972. I was 15 years old.
134. 9:39Yeah. And that's, I was a freshman in high school.
135. 9:45May we talk about that for a moment?
136. 9:48Because this way I was having breakfast this morning with some dear people.
137. 9:53We were talking about the movie by Greg Lorry called Jesus Revolution.
138. 9:57I cried throughout the whole thing.
139. 10:00People across the country have told me that.
140. 10:04And, you know, I was just a little kid.
141. 10:06I've got a sister who's five years older than me.
142. 10:09And I remember when she was about maybe 15, she and all of her friends were in my parents'
143. 10:14basement, having a Bible study, playing guitar.
144. 10:18You know, I was just nine or ten.
145. 10:19I didn't get it.
146. 10:21But I realized something was going on.
147. 10:24Anyway, I happened to believe.
148. 10:26And the many, many Jewish people that came to Christ, you know, 55 years ago, I think
149. 10:33the Jesus movement was a legitimate great awakening
150. 10:37in our, really the Western Hemisphere, agreed.
151. 10:41Absolutely.
152. 10:43And you know, what's so interesting,
153. 10:44if you see the movie, Jesus Revolution,
154. 10:46that's all West Coast, Southern California,
155. 10:49Orange County, right?
156. 10:52I'm in Brooklyn, New York.
157. 10:54And that's when I came to Florida.
158. 10:56And there was a whole movement of Jewish young people
159. 11:00that came to the Lord then.
160. 11:01And interestingly, my closest friend who's now in Southern California, not far from where
161. 11:07that movie depicted, but he is from Philadelphia, came to the Lord in 1972.
162. 11:15Another friend of mine from New York City, a Messianic Jewish leader, came to the Lord
163. 11:20in 1972 in New York City.
164. 11:24Others I know from New York City, Jewish people went out to Northern California or to
165. 11:29to ranches, to Jesus communes.
166. 11:32And that's where they came to the Lord.
167. 11:34It is amazing when I look at the Messianic Jewish leadership that I've been, you know,
168. 11:39gotten to know through the years.
169. 11:42They, all of us, 1971, 1972, 1970, coming to the Lord through all these years,
170. 11:49whether it's mission leadership, I've been teaching Jewish studies at Moody Bible Institute
171. 11:54for 31 and a half years now.
172. 11:56Amen.
173. 11:58Amen.
174. 11:59And, you know, so I look at these people with Messianic Jews in various positions, whether
175. 12:06it's teaching like Barry who came to just before the Jesus revolution, but Barry teaching,
176. 12:14me teaching, and then seeing others in Jewish mission leadership, congregation planting,
177. 12:22Messianic congregations.
178. 12:23It's exciting to see the impact of that great awakening as you call it.
179. 12:29You know, I had the privilege while I was at Southern Evangelical, July 1, 2009,
180. 12:36was when I first had the privilege of going on the American Family Radio Network.
181. 12:42And we've got a show that we do call Exploring the Word.
182. 12:46That's a five-day week live Bible teaching show that's been on, you know, over 15 years.
183. 12:52But one of the very, very, very first people I ever interviewed, I was so thrilled because I knew it was probably the only chance I would ever have.
184. 13:01But Moise Rose from Jews for Jesus was maybe, if not the first guest I ever interviewed, it was one of the very early ones.
185. 13:12And let me ask you, did you know him?
186. 13:15I knew him. He was more West Coast. And of course I was from the East Coast. But yes,
187. 13:21I knew him. I met him very early on coming to faith. But mostly, for example, many of
188. 13:26these disciples that he, I was very close friends with Jan Mosquitz now with the Lord.
189. 13:34One of the founders of that organization, others as well from back in those days. But
190. 13:41Jan was a dear friend, but yes, I knew that whole organization when it was founded and
191. 13:49all those people.
192. 13:51Is it true?
193. 13:52And I've heard it said, and if this is true, I think this is incredibly significant, that
194. 13:59there are probably more born-again Jewish people today than at any time previously since like
195. 14:08the first two centuries of the church.
196. 14:10the first century absolutely. There was a Jewish believer named Daniel Fuchs who
197. 14:16had been the president of chosen people ministries. Dan Fuchs who actually he was
198. 14:25the one who immersed me in water baptized me back about 53 years ago. He said
199. 14:35that there was a time when he knew every Jewish believer not just in the United
200. 14:39States, but in the world.
201. 14:41Hold that thought.
202. 14:42Forgive me for interrupting.
203. 14:44We've got a brief break.
204. 14:45A very special edition of the Hamilton Corner
205. 14:47folks, Alex Manfarlane here, our very special guest, Dr.
206. 14:50Michael Rydelnik.
207. 14:51We're going to come back.
208. 14:52Go about anti-Semitism.
209. 14:54And what you can do, not only to stand for truth,
210. 14:57but to stand with the Jews.
211. 14:59Stay tuned.
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226. 15:43Alex McFarland here, very honored to be sitting in for Attorney, Pastor, and
227. 15:47Broadcaster, Abe Hamilton III. And before that break, I had to, in radio, we
228. 15:54call it steamrolling, where you talk over somebody. And I apologize. Dr. Redell,
229. 15:59you were beginning to share a story. And I'd ask you about how many Jewish
230. 16:06believers are there in the world today, maybe more than at any other previous
231. 16:11time and you were going to tell about an individual you know who at one time knew the majority
232. 16:18of born again messianic Jews. So now we're back. Please continue my friend.
233. 16:24Then Daniel Fuchs, a blessed memory who is with the Lord, was the president of chosen people ministries
234. 16:31and he just said the beginning of the Jesus revolution. This is in the mid 70s.
235. 16:37the impact was felt and he said to me there was a time when he knew every Jewish
236. 16:43believer not just in the United States but around the world. He really did. In fact
237. 16:48that's how my mom who was seeking for a fellowship of messianic Jews she was
238. 16:54connected with chosen people ministries through people in South
239. 17:00that's a folder of writing letters, a folder of Daniel Fuchs.
240. 17:06So he knew everyone that he said after the Jesus revolution by the mid-70s, he didn't
241. 17:11know a fraction, less than a percentage, because of the explosion of Jewish believers.
242. 17:17People estimate that there's a couple hundred thousand Jewish believers here in America
243. 17:21now who identify as Jewish, may be close to a million Jewish believers who are believers
244. 17:28who have Jewish roots who may not be strongly identifying as Jewish, but they're part of
245. 17:33the remnant as well. And then we go to Israel, we go around the world to Europe, many, many
246. 17:40more Jewish believers than ever before. I actually, there was a woman that found me,
247. 17:47same, her grandmother had my last name, unusual last name. She found me on Facebook and said she
248. 17:54she would like to meet, she thinks we're related.
249. 17:56And so we met in California,
250. 17:59and I was speaking at a conference, she lived out there.
251. 18:02She came, and I had my Bible ready to share the gospel
252. 18:05with this Jewish woman.
253. 18:07She came with her Bible to share the gospel with me.
254. 18:11And she too had become a believer
255. 18:13during the Jesus revolution.
256. 18:15We had to say, and we are related by,
257. 18:18I think we're third cousins, we found out.
258. 18:21So let me ask you this.
259. 18:23A month.
260. 18:25Well, and I'm profoundly interested really in the Jewish mind, like in America.
261. 18:34Because, you know, I'll tell you, I was, we had a videographer that we had hired an award-winning videographer to do some editing for us.
262. 18:45and this person is Jewish and we were talking and I said, hey, you know you're
263. 18:53gonna do some editing for a Baptist preacher and they laughed and said, well,
264. 18:59you know you're a client and I'm gonna do a professional job for you and then
265. 19:06basically here's where the conversation went, Michael. She said, I thought Christians
266. 19:13and I said, oh my goodness, no.
267. 19:15I said true Christians love the Jewish people
268. 19:18because like in the spirit of Genesis 12, 3,
269. 19:21through Abraham, all the nations of the earth have been blessed.
270. 19:25And I said, may we talk very frankly?
271. 19:28And I said, I don't want to offend you in any way,
272. 19:31but may we talk with your frankly?
273. 19:33We begin to talk about Jesus.
274. 19:35And I said, listen, if I was Jewish, I would put it on my resume.
275. 19:39And I said, listen, if I was Jewish, I would put it on my resume.
276. 19:43True Christians love the Jewish people, but help us understand, Michael,
277. 19:49the mind of the American Jew who kind of cautiously coexists with their evangelical friends.
278. 20:02Is it a stigma to even talk about Jesus?
279. 20:06Well, no, I don't think it's a stigma because you're Jewish neighbors and friends. If they know you're a follower of Jesus, they'll expect you to talk about it. They expect you to believe in him.
280. 20:19But they will be dismissive of it. And the reason is there's a terrible history of Christian anti-Semitism. And I would, I would say that it's not only just
281. 20:31false Christians, but disobedient Christians in the past have shown a lack of love for Jewish people or even worse.
282. 20:42I don't ever want to deny, I think Martin Luther in many respects was a hero and did some great things,
283. 20:50but he also wrote some terrible things about Jewish people.
284. 20:53Jewish people are aware of this. There are some great church fathers like Augustine who
285. 21:00did so many, wrote so many great things, but did not share a love for the Jewish people,
286. 21:05was unkind. So Jewish people are aware of this and they think that that's what Jesus taught,
287. 21:11it's not. And it's up to us to show that faithful Christians will really love Jesus' family.
288. 21:17And that's what I think faithful followers of Jesus
289. 21:22will show concern and love and care for his relatives.
290. 21:27That's who the Jewish people are.
291. 21:29And to me, his relatives by physical dissent,
292. 21:37according to the flesh.
293. 21:39And by doing that, we can change their heart.
294. 21:44I really do believe that the very first thing for Jewish people
295. 21:47or anybody, you know this, before they can ever accept Jesus, they need to accept us.
296. 21:53They need to see that we love and care for them.
297. 21:56And that overcomes a multitude of sins.
298. 22:00Most Jewish people who I know who have come to know the Lord, their first contact with
299. 22:05the gospel was through a Gentile follower of Jesus who showed them love.
300. 22:12And that's I think so crucial.
301. 22:16But in the synagogues, what do you, as far as you're aware, do they teach on Isaiah 53?
302. 22:29Or Psalm 22?
303. 22:31No, no, no.
304. 22:34I was raised in a traditional Jewish home.
305. 22:36We were not really...
306. 22:38The Bible we were taught was really from the Torah.
307. 22:43That's not saying Jewish people can't study Isaiah or study the Psalms or anything like
308. 22:49that.
309. 22:50But for the most part, Jewish people study the Torah by books of Moses.
310. 22:56And I was actually taken aback when confronted with what the prophets had to say about the
311. 23:05Messiah.
312. 23:06And I got books that kind of made the case for my view.
313. 23:10But I do believe that the Messianic interpretation, for example, of Isaiah 53 is far better and
314. 23:18it kind of changed my outlook ultimately.
315. 23:22That's how I came to the Lord, was through setting what the Prophet said about the Messiah.
316. 23:28Sure.
317. 23:30And I wasn't really aware of this.
318. 23:32What Joshua did Malachi, do they kind of quietly ignore that?
319. 23:42I would say it's not ignoring, I mean, you have a prophetic, it's called the haftura.
320. 23:48It's every week in the synagogue, three times a week, when you read the Torah, you also read
321. 23:53the haftura, the passage from the prophets.
322. 23:58Okay.
323. 23:59However, it's not exactly studied, and usually it's recited very quickly to get through the
324. 24:05service.
325. 24:06It's not a study portion.
326. 24:07When they're study done, it's usually done on the Torah portion.
327. 24:11So it's not that people ignore it, they just don't really spend a lot of time studying it.
328. 24:19I have a dear friend, actually he lives down the street from me in Chicago.
329. 24:26We became friends while I was walking my dogs, that's my key to evangelism.
330. 24:30Just talk to dogs and meet your neighbors.
331. 24:33And turns out he's the grandson of my rabbi growing up in Brooklyn.
332. 24:38Wow.
333. 24:39He sat down and tell me about your doctoral dissertation, which was about messianic prophecy.
334. 24:44And as we sat down and talked about it, he was amazed. He said, well, I know there are prophecies
335. 24:50of the Messiah, but I've really never studied them before. So we've made our way through many of
336. 24:55them together. And he's just shocked that there's even this much about the Messiah in the Hebrew Bible.
337. 25:06And so I think that's if there's something I could encourage people to do if you want to talk to your Jewish friend
338. 25:11First obviously be concerned show love stand against anti-Semitism stand with the Jewish community. That'll shock them
339. 25:20secondly
340. 25:22Be aware of messianic prophecy be ready to talk about it
341. 25:26well, you know in the Torah what what would um the
342. 25:31average rabbi do with like genesis 315
343. 25:34who is the seed of the woman.
344. 25:39Yeah, that's kind of interesting. The ancient, in the midrash,
345. 25:43it refers to that. Even the medieval Jewish interpreter, David Kimfy,
346. 25:47recognized that the seed of the woman
347. 25:51is the Messiah. But for the most part,
348. 25:55Jewish people think of Genesis 3.15 as a perpetual
349. 25:59conflict between snakes and humanity. It suggests
350. 26:03just so story. Why do we want to stop snakes on the head and why do snakes want to bite us on the
351. 26:09heel? It is just a just so story like Kipling did about how it came to be that snakes slither and bite
352. 26:22and why we eat them. So that's all it is. It's in Jewish understanding. But there are some references
353. 26:31in rabbinic literature that tie it to them aside.
354. 26:36You know, I'm from a very conservative theological background as are you.
355. 26:44You know, we talk about historical grammatical handling of the scripture.
356. 26:49We look at the context and we look at the words themselves.
357. 26:54And, you know, people ask me, are you a biblical literalist?
358. 26:58and I'll say absolutely.
359. 27:01Now that doesn't mean there isn't genre
360. 27:04within the Bible, there's poetic literature
361. 27:06and there are allegories and similes
362. 27:11and comparisons, but I take the Bible literally.
363. 27:16All right, that being the case, modern Jewish rabbis
364. 27:21and the average Jewish person,
365. 27:24would they take the Bible literally?
366. 27:25because some of the Jewish friends I have, Michael,
367. 27:28have said, well, we don't believe in heaven or an afterlife.
368. 27:32I'm like, really?
369. 27:33You're Jewish and you don't believe in an afterlife?
370. 27:36So help us understand maybe the hermeneutic
371. 27:39of the modern Western Jewish person.
372. 27:42Well, first of all, it's not just hermeneutics.
373. 27:45You get two Jews together.
374. 27:47We're gonna have three, four opinions, maybe five.
375. 27:50And there's obviously Orthodox Judaism
376. 27:55and conservative and reform.
377. 27:58Reform takes a very critical view of the Bible.
378. 28:01And so though the Bible may talk about an afterlife,
379. 28:07even in the Hebrew Bible,
380. 28:10resurrection from the dead,
381. 28:11Daniel 12 and Isaiah 26, I believe,
382. 28:15It is common for Jewish people who are of reform or secular background not to believe the Bible.
383. 28:27And so they won't believe in an afterlife.
384. 28:31And then they'll say, well, Jewish people don't believe in that.
385. 28:35Well, that's because that kind of Jewish person doesn't.
386. 28:39Many Orthodox Jewish people believe in an afterlife.
387. 28:42believe in the world to come, as the rabbinic literature calls the new creation that we would
388. 28:48call the New Heavens New Earth. They believe in the world to come. They believe in Gihinul,
389. 28:55a place where people who are disobedient go to. So it just depends on which Jewish person you're
390. 29:04talking to. As for Jewish hermeneutics, the most traditional Jewish hermeneutic comes from the
391. 29:08the 12th century from a great rabbi by the name of Shlomo Yitzchaki.
392. 29:14And his Rabbi Shlomo Yitzchaki, if you take the first letters of his name,
393. 29:19he becomes known as Rashi. And that's how Jewish people know him.
394. 29:23Every, yes, every comment, every Hebrew Bible has Rashi's comments at the bottom
395. 29:29of it.
396. 29:30And Rashi argued for Pishat, a literal interpretation.
397. 29:39But what he does when he uses the Pashat is he doesn't mean literal so much as he means historical.
398. 29:47So for example, when he's reading Isaiah 53, he sees the historical experience of Israel being
399. 29:56persecuted, suffering for the nations. And so he takes a not literal but a historical,
400. 30:05He calls it literal, but he's really looking for history.
401. 30:10He looks at Psalm 2, which is about the Son of God.
402. 30:15And he says, our ancient rabbis in the Midrashim,
403. 30:20in the rabbinic literature, interpreted Psalm 2 of the Messiah.
404. 30:24But I will interpret it according to the Pishap,
405. 30:27the literal sense of David.
406. 30:31And so what he does, he says, there's a historical figure
407. 30:35that we can attribute this to instead of an eschatological
408. 30:39messianic figure.
409. 30:40And that's an end of day's messiah.
410. 30:46And so he transformed Judaism,
411. 30:50saying it was the literal interpretation,
412. 30:53but in reality, it was the literary
413. 30:56or the historical interpretation that he was looking for.
414. 31:01And he's had, I think, a great effect
415. 31:04and a negative effect.
416. 31:05Sometimes we get the historical interpretation from him,
417. 31:08but on Messianic passages,
418. 31:10he doesn't want it to look for that end of days figure.
419. 31:13He wants it to be about someone in the past.
420. 31:16So even, and when would he have lived like eight or 900 years ago?
421. 31:21Yeah, he lived 1140 to 1205.
422. 31:24Okay.
423. 31:26Even then, was there the desire to not have
424. 31:32to not have a literal God in human form in Karnet Messiah.
425. 31:39Yes, absolutely.
426. 31:43There was so much forced conversion that Rashi
427. 31:46and his other great medieval interpreters decided
428. 31:50that it was better to lessen the messianic hope
429. 31:53to avoid the messianic implications of many of these passages.
430. 31:58passages. So when he comes to Isaiah nine, he sees it as
431. 32:02Hezekiah, the child, real, you retranslate it. The eternal
432. 32:09father, the mighty God calls his name Prince of
433. 32:16peace. We've got to take a break. Hope that folks. Very rare
434. 32:19opportunity. We're hearing from Michael Ray Delnick, a Jewish
435. 32:23believer on this edition of the Hamilton Corner, Alex McFarland
436. 32:26saying stay tuned a brief break more after this.
437. 32:29All right, Sandy Rios with you.
438. 32:31One more drama playing out.
439. 32:33Is the sky falling?
440. 32:35Are we going into a recession?
441. 32:36Are you going to lose all of your 401k?
442. 32:38Are you going to lose your job?
443. 32:40Are you going to be able to afford groceries?
444. 32:41People better be training their kids,
445. 32:43getting back into church, Sunday school, reading the Bible.
446. 32:46That revolution will save this country.
447. 32:48We've had a political revolution now.
448. 32:50We need a spiritual revolution.
449. 32:53Sandy Rios on Sandy Rios 24-7 listen on the podcast page at aFR.net
450. 33:04Hamilton Quarter podcast and one-minute commentaries are available at aFR.net back to the Hamilton Quarter on American Family Radio
451. 33:15Welcome back to the program Alex McFarland here folks. I wish you could see what I'm looking at
452. 33:20I'm staring out of a window at Trails Inn Christian Camp in Montana
453. 33:24I'm looking at mountains and beautiful landscape as far as you can see.
454. 33:30I value everyone's prayers.
455. 33:31We are in the first of seven summer youth camps.
456. 33:35And then of course June 15 is our next in a series of conversations that matter.
457. 33:42We're doing a biblical worldview speaker series in Mody Beach, South Carolina.
458. 33:49And we've got Dr. Gary Chapman who wrote the five love languages.
459. 33:52Anyway, my own website, which is alexmafarlin.com, slash conversations.
460. 33:59And I'll be at the Cove.
461. 34:00My tour schedule is there and I would love to meet you when we come to a city near you.
462. 34:07Also with me is my guest, Dr. Michael Rydelnik.
463. 34:10And Michael, before we continue, because there's so much I want to ask you, give your website
464. 34:16and how people can listen to Open Line Radio.
465. 34:21The name of the program is Open Line with Michael Wright-Unick and it's on Moody Radio.
466. 34:27It's crossed the entire network.
467. 34:29Every Saturday morning we're on a 10-til-noon Eastern time across the states.
468. 34:36It's about 300 stations that carry it and it's people calling in with Bible Q&A.
469. 34:40Just questions about the Bible and their spiritual life and how questions about God.
470. 34:46And we have a great time.
471. 34:48radio calls at the Bible study across America. And the best way is to get the, if I don't
472. 34:55know if Moody radio is in your town, if you're listening, but you can get the Moody Radio app
473. 34:59and listen anytime you want to all of Moody Radio, including OpenLine. It's a great little
474. 35:05tool, the Moody Radio app. And you can check out OpenLineRadio.org. There's also a link
475. 35:11there to my personal website called michaelrightdownick.org.
476. 35:18And I've been associated with Moody for a long time,
477. 35:21not just Moody radio,
478. 35:22talks there for 32 years now,
479. 35:24and moving more into radio as we speak.
480. 35:28So sure.
481. 35:29Oh, well, just one of the great schools,
482. 35:31everywhere I go all across America,
483. 35:34I meet graduates of Moody and God is using them
484. 35:38in such great ways.
485. 35:39And, you know, we've been talking about a messianic prophecy,
486. 35:44and I know you've written extensively on that.
487. 35:46I want to change gears here in a second.
488. 35:49But last thought on messianic prophecy, give us professor,
489. 35:55give us a homework assignment to familiarize ourselves
490. 35:58with the prophecies fulfilled in the life of Jesus.
491. 36:02Which one of your books would you recommend?
492. 36:04I think the Moody Handbook of Messianic Prophecy is the most thorough.
493. 36:10I think that that's actually the best one.
494. 36:15And also, upcoming, probably within a year, there's going to be a new book written on a more everyday level, I would say,
495. 36:25for something you could even hand to a Jewish person, that's coming out called
496. 36:31finding the Messiah in unexpected places, but that's yet.
497. 36:35So well, we look forward to getting that. I want to change gears. And I'm very interested in this
498. 36:44subject, although my heart is heavy whenever discussing it, but that's anti-Semitism,
499. 36:51which it seems like every month, sometimes almost every week, there are just heartbreaking things in
500. 36:58in the news about the animus and the hatred
501. 37:02and the physical violence against Jewish people.
502. 37:05And I wanna talk about that.
503. 37:10And you know, what's an irony?
504. 37:13The left that prides themselves on tolerance
505. 37:18and you know, standing against racism,
506. 37:21which we should do, we should stand against racism.
507. 37:24But it seems like hatred of Jewish people
508. 37:27and vilifying the Jewish people,
509. 37:30that's kind of the racism that gets past these days.
510. 37:33Yeah, so why is that?
511. 37:38The last accepted form of anti-Semitism,
512. 37:40I think is interesting.
513. 37:41If you look at the extreme right,
514. 37:43and now used to be the extreme left,
515. 37:46but it's broadening to much more of the centrist left,
516. 37:52there's a hatred for Jewish people.
517. 37:55I don't think it's just limited to the left,
518. 37:56but the extreme right also, they have this animus,
519. 38:03it's the old horseshoe comes around
520. 38:05and they agree on their hatred of the Jewish people.
521. 38:09I believe that the reason for the left
522. 38:11is a form of intersectionality.
523. 38:14They so misunderstand what's happening in Israel.
524. 38:19They see Israel as colonial,
525. 38:22even though Israel is not a colonial estate
526. 38:25by any means, it's self-determination
527. 38:27that Israel is dealing with there,
528. 38:30that they see Palestinians as somehow
529. 38:36a brown people and the Jewish people being white oppressors
530. 38:40when in point of fact Jews and Palestinians are the same
531. 38:43in terms of color of their skin or anything like that.
532. 38:49It is kind of silly, but here's the thing that's happened,
533. 38:54There's been a 400% increase in anti-Semitism since 10, 7, since a year and a half ago.
534. 39:02Well, in the United States alone, there's so much anti-Israel propaganda that first got
535. 39:11to the universities because of the radical left area.
536. 39:15It's now permeated the culture, the call to globalize the uprising, the intifada against
537. 39:21Jewish people is being heated now and people are attacking Jewish peoples on a regular basis.
538. 39:27I never dreamed in my life, my parents were Holocaust survivors. I understood anti-Semitism.
539. 39:34I never dreamed that in my life I would see this kind of anti-Semitism erupting all around me.
540. 39:41And one of the best things I could say, people would say, what do we do? What do we do? First of
541. 39:47First of all, we need to know the truth.
542. 39:49Many of the lies against Israel, propagandist lies, oh Israel attacked these people, oh Israel
543. 39:58destroyed a hospital, all these things are lies.
544. 40:03My son had the privilege of serving in the Israel Defense Forces in an anti-terrorist combat
545. 40:10unit.
546. 40:11He was taught more about moral warfare than he was taught about special force.
547. 40:16He was taught more about preserving civilians, and that was pressed upon them more than even
548. 40:23combating the enemy.
549. 40:28They were always taught to maintain their humanity in battle.
550. 40:33And so there are many things, Israel's committing genocide, false.
551. 40:38There are many things that are being said about Israel that are false, and it is motivating
552. 40:43anti-Semitism.
553. 40:44I would challenge every believer, every follower of Jesus to learn the facts and be a loud spokesperson
554. 40:52against these calomies, these lies, these blood-libles against Israel. And then secondly, when you hear
555. 41:00anti-Semitism now, take a stand, speak up, talk about how offensive that is to God. In Psalm 83,
556. 41:08it says those who hate God hate the people of Israel. It's an expression of their hatred of God.
557. 41:14And then lastly, when we pray for the peace of Jerusalem,
558. 41:19and we should, absolutely.
559. 41:22But when I'm praying for the peace of Jerusalem,
560. 41:24yeah, when I pray for the peace of Jerusalem,
561. 41:26what I'm praying for right now in this temporal period of time
562. 41:31is the defeat of Hamas, this genocidal organization
563. 41:35that they would surrender and then there will be peace.
564. 41:38So those are some of the things.
565. 41:41Take a stand, speak up, but also pray
566. 41:47that Hamas would finally surrender.
567. 41:51Sure, and I want to say this as you and I record this,
568. 41:56Dr. Rydelnik, everyone, I think top of mind
569. 42:01is the violence in Colorado, but I don't wanna forget
570. 42:06at Washington, at the Jewish Museum.
571. 42:10This was in late May.
572. 42:11There were two Israeli embassy employees killed.
573. 42:15And it just, it was heartbreaking.
574. 42:18A young married couple that were-
575. 42:22Soon to be married.
576. 42:23They were getting-
577. 42:24Oh, sitting engaged.
578. 42:26I'll tell you this.
579. 42:28Yeah.
580. 42:28One of my former students who went,
581. 42:31a Jewish believer, Jewish Studies grad from Moody,
582. 42:35he went to Israel was the associate pastor
583. 42:37of a Messianic assembly in Jerusalem.
584. 42:40And he discipled Yaron, the male employee that was killed.
585. 42:47And she also had come, Sarah had come to know the Lord
586. 42:53and was, they were going to get engaged in Jerusalem.
587. 42:57And so these were not just Israeli employees of the embassy,
588. 43:05but they were Jewish believers.
589. 43:07then why they died, I believe, as martyrs.
590. 43:15Wow.
591. 43:16Wow.
592. 43:17Well, a moment ago, I want to pick up a couple of things.
593. 43:21You said a 400% increase in anti-Semitic activity since 10,
594. 43:27seven.
595. 43:29This is something, and I want to call on my fellow pastors,
596. 43:33Christians of all strata, but especially those that are
597. 43:36pulpit on Sunday morning to preach sermons educating your people about the miraculous, glorious history
598. 43:46of Israel, the rebirth of the modern state of Israel. Israel's right to exist as a nation and
599. 43:54to be on record as categorically, unequivocally, condemning all racism and condemning anti-Semitism
600. 44:03and then urging voters, you know, Dr. Redelnick, I've often said I'm a single issue voter and that's
601. 44:10the issue of life, but I'm going to be a two issue voter and I want candidates that believe in legal
602. 44:18protection for the unborn, but also candidates that will be on record as standing with Israel.
603. 44:26And so I call on pastors to educate your churches and take trips to Israel. We'll be going next
604. 44:33March, my wife and I have been and we go to the places and we teach and I'll tell you if you
605. 44:40make a visit to Israel and I do think it is safe. In fact, I feel safer in Jerusalem than in
606. 44:47some of the major American cities where I go to preach. But anyway, I'll be going in September.
607. 44:55Because I feel safe. We've got a nice group going.
608. 44:58Yeah, exactly. Well, the church has an opportunity here, but even more than an opportunity, I think the church has a responsibility.
609. 45:08Agree? Can I just say what you're saying is so true, Alex, about teaching this. My wife and I moved this past year. We visited a church.
610. 45:17The pastor's preaching through Genesis. He talked through Genesis 12, 1 through 6, and never mentioned the Abrahamic Covenant.
611. 45:2510-7 Israel. All he did was talk about the war in Ukraine.
612. 45:32Really? And I was shot.
613. 45:36Well, let me say this.
614. 45:40We've got to have you back another subject for another day.
615. 45:43You and I both have been in
616. 45:45Christian higher education for our adult lives.
617. 45:48And I've denominational work of,
618. 45:52by God's grace, I've worked with every denomination.
619. 45:55you can imagine and helped in Ordination Council.
620. 45:59All right, something that really is a problem
621. 46:04is this hyper-reform theology, replacement theology
622. 46:10that, and of course, Paul addresses this soundling
623. 46:13in the book of Romans, but there is,
624. 46:15especially among clergy that let's, not all, not all,
625. 46:21but among many clergy that would be maybe 45 and younger,
626. 46:25that the modern state of Israel has no prophetic significance.
627. 46:30Israel ceased to be anything at all.
628. 46:34And they based it on one scripture, Galatians 16,
629. 46:39which has this phrase, blessed be, quote, the Israel of God.
630. 46:45I know we don't have much time, but like we have two minutes.
631. 46:48Would you address that that even though?
632. 46:51So the church is the church, but Israel is Israel.
633. 46:56Yeah, the Galatians 616,
634. 46:58first of all, everyone has to know
635. 46:59there's 73 usages of the word Israel in the New Testament.
636. 47:05This would be, if this were not referring to Jewish people,
637. 47:09it would be the only place where the word Israel
638. 47:11is not used of the Jewish people of ethnic Israel.
639. 47:15So that would be very unusual,
640. 47:18But it makes sense actually in the text,
641. 47:21because what Paul has said,
642. 47:24he was coming down real hard on Jewish legalists,
643. 47:30who had been advocating for circumcision as a means.
644. 47:34You Gentiles can't believe,
645. 47:35but you first got to convert to Judaism
646. 47:37and then you can believe in Jesus.
647. 47:39And he said, you're adding a work to the gospel.
648. 47:42And then at the end, he says, here's a blessing.
649. 47:47He made peace be for all those who follow the standard, what he himself is teaching.
650. 47:54He gives a blessing for them.
651. 47:56And then he says, even upon those, even upon peace and mercy be those who accept the standard
652. 48:04and upon the Israel of God, it makes complete sense that he would want to say, there are
653. 48:08Jewish believers out there who are not adding this legalistic requirement, who are teaching
654. 48:14the faithful gospel just as I am here and he gives a special blessing to Jewish believers.
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