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1. 0:00Darkness is not an affirmative force.
2. 0:03It simply reoccupies the space vacated by the light.
3. 0:07This is the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
4. 0:11It should be uncomfortable for a believer to live as a hypocrite.
5. 0:15Delivery people out of the bondage of mainstream media.
6. 0:18And the philosophies of this world.
7. 0:20God has called you and me to be his ambassador.
8. 0:24Even in this dark moment.
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10. 0:28and now, The Hamilton Corner.
11. 0:33Welcome to the program, Good Evening America,
12. 0:35Alex McFarland.
13. 0:36We've got a great show.
14. 0:38Later on in the show, we'll talk with Greg Derosh
15. 0:42on the state of parents' rights and the family.
16. 0:46And in just a moment, we'll visit with Carl Kirby,
17. 0:49a longtime friend and colleague,
18. 0:51and we do summer camps with Carl in reasons for hope.
19. 0:54And then there's another attribute of his resume
20. 0:57that we'll bring out.
21. 0:58But first I want to begin by saying a couple of things.
22. 1:01One, I'm very honored to be sitting in for attorney, pastor,
23. 1:05and broadcaster, Abe Hamilton III.
24. 1:08And also, I'm going to read from Psalm 67
25. 1:11and bring out a little bit of God's word,
26. 1:13because in this turbulent world with so much going on,
27. 1:16good things, challenging things, uncertain things,
28. 1:20it's always good to remember that unshakable foundation
29. 1:25our life which is God and the Lord Jesus and I hope you have a relationship with Christ.
30. 1:31But Psalm 67, I love this folks, says God be merciful unto us and bless us and cause his
31. 1:37face to shine upon us, that thy way may be known upon the earth by saving health among
32. 1:43all nations.
33. 1:44Now I'm going to come back to that in a moment.
34. 1:47Says let the people praise the O God, let all the people praise the O let the nations be
35. 1:51glad and sing for joy, for thou shall judge the people
36. 1:56righteously and govern the nations of the earth." Now I was
37. 1:59looking at Psalm 67, God be merciful to us, God bless us, God
38. 2:04make your face to shine upon us. And that's something we should
39. 2:09all desire. In verse 2, that thy way may be known upon the earth.
40. 2:14Now in the Psalms, there are a number of references to God's
41. 2:20revelation. God's word, God's testimonies, statutes, precepts, law, and one of the references
42. 2:29to Scripture is God's way. We are wise to build our life on God's path. But then it says in
43. 2:37verse 2 of Psalm 67 that, "...thigh saving health," may be known among the nations. And
44. 2:45But you know what? I looked up that word,
45. 2:47thy saving health in English.
46. 2:49It's Yeshua.
47. 2:52Isn't that something?
48. 2:53The Hebrew word for Jesus, Yeshua, Messiah.
49. 2:58Now, thy Yeshua, who is God's Yeshua, Jesus, the Son of God?
50. 3:05Isn't that something?
51. 3:06We want God's Son, the Savior, the risen Lord, the King,
52. 3:12the Alpha the Omega Jesus to be known among the world.
53. 3:16And I hope you know him and I hope you're helping make him known.
54. 3:20Well, a very special colleague and friend that helps people everywhere to know about Jesus.
55. 3:25His name is Carl Kirby.
56. 3:27He's been a longtime friend and colleague.
57. 3:29We've collaborated.
58. 3:30We've been on the podium together, been on the airwaves together.
59. 3:35And Carl, I wanted to have him on for a lot of reasons, but one,
60. 3:40In relation to the tragic plane crash at Reagan Airport one week ago, I was looking
61. 3:47at the footage there as that American Eagle flight collided with a Black Hawk helicopter.
62. 3:52Verte tragic, 67 souls died, as you know.
63. 3:58And I've been on that runway three dozen times, at least, I'm sure.
64. 4:02And then not days after that, we've barely got that processed.
65. 4:07and then the Medvac plane went down in Philadelphia.
66. 4:11Well, our friend Carl Kirby was an air traffic controller
67. 4:15in Chicago, and I just wanted to get some of his opinions.
68. 4:20Carl, thanks for being with us.
69. 4:21You're a joy with whom to partner,
70. 4:24but thanks for being with us tonight
71. 4:26on the American Family Radio Network.
72. 4:31Where's your my friend?
73. 4:33Yeah, yeah, it's good to be with you.
74. 4:34I wanna talk about aircraft safety,
75. 4:38But before we do, tell people about reasons for hope,
76. 4:41the website, and then our summer camps coming up,
77. 4:45we'll circle back to that,
78. 4:46but give us a brief little snapshot of reasons for hope.
79. 4:51You bet, yeah, if folks would like to get more information,
80. 4:53you can find us at RFORH,
81. 4:58R4H stands for reasons for hope,
82. 5:00and we have .com, .net, .org, all of those.
83. 5:03But I'd also tell you to get our app,
84. 5:06because that is absolutely the best way to get information about us because we have hours
85. 5:10of free content on there.
86. 5:12And all you have to do is whatever your platform is, whatever your IOS or Android, just go to
87. 5:19your App Store and search for R, F-O-R-H, reasons for hope.
88. 5:24And download it.
89. 5:25I'm telling you, it's simply hours, hours of free video content, new devotional that we've
90. 5:30started every day.
91. 5:31you get sent a devotional, a reminder to, a little notice to go watch a devotional and
92. 5:36read a devotional if you'd like that.
93. 5:38So we've got a lot of free tools on there that we want to put in people's hands so that they
94. 5:42can feel excited about sharing their faith.
95. 5:45Yeah.
96. 5:46Well, another thing that means so much to us is in the summertime we partner with Reasons
97. 5:51for Hope to do our biblical worldview apologetic summer camps for teenagers, middle schoolers
98. 5:58and high schoolers.
99. 5:59The website is equipretreat.org.
100. 6:03And we talk with kids about the Gospel, what it means to know Jesus, but how to defend the
101. 6:08Christian faith.
102. 6:09And it's just really cool that everywhere we go, whether it be the beautiful countryside
103. 6:16of Montana or the Hudson River Valley in upstate New Jersey, right near the New York state line,
104. 6:23or down in South Carolina or Temple, Georgia.
105. 6:26this upcoming summer we're going to be near Richmond, Camp Pianca Tank. They're outside
106. 6:33of Richmond, but kids are so hungry for truth. They love it. And Carl, we just want people
107. 6:41everywhere to sign up. Go to equipretreat.org and look at the camp near you. And I say it
108. 6:48this way, invest a week that will count for a lifetime. We love to be with these youth
109. 6:53in the worldview camps, don't we, Carl?
110. 6:55Oh, you better believe that.
111. 6:57And the youth love it.
112. 6:59That's the thing that's so crazy.
113. 7:00I wish parents would come and see it for themselves because we have so many times where
114. 7:05the younger generation, they come in and they're blown out of the water because we'll have,
115. 7:11yes, we do the fun stuff, but we have teaching them.
116. 7:13It's application and it's addressing the issues that they're being confronted with.
117. 7:18And so, yeah, we'll be in Cedar Falls, Iowa as well as Illinois.
118. 7:21we're covering the states, man, and next year we're even going to some new places, but I
119. 7:26don't want to talk about that.
120. 7:28We've got to knock this year out first.
121. 7:30That's true.
122. 7:31That's true.
123. 7:32And one last thing, and then I do want to talk about the airline situations.
124. 7:36But Carl, last summer when we were doing one of our camps in South Carolina, it was a rainy
125. 7:41day.
126. 7:42And we couldn't go outside and do all the hiking and outdoor stuff.
127. 7:46And so Dave Glander and I and you were there and the staff of the camps.
128. 7:53We were saying, okay, you know, it'll be some free time.
129. 7:55You can play ping pong, you know, whatever you want to do.
130. 7:58Well, all these kids came to Dave and me and they were like, could we have more teaching
131. 8:01sessions?
132. 8:03And you know, we do open Q&A, you can ask anything.
133. 8:07But whether it's, you know, Jesus, the Bible, how do I get along with my siblings?
134. 8:13How do I find out God's will for my life?
135. 8:16And then what about America being a citizen,
136. 8:19being soft and light?
137. 8:20It is so gratifying that these teenagers,
138. 8:23they love truth.
139. 8:26They really do.
140. 8:27And so folks, consider sponsoring youth,
141. 8:31sending your youth groups to camp.
142. 8:33And we have fun now.
143. 8:36We talk about apologetics, but look,
144. 8:39I do the zip line and I drop down in the lake.
145. 8:42It's fun stuff.
146. 8:44Equipretreat.org.
147. 8:46Anyway, but while I've got you, I wanted to get your opinion.
148. 8:51I know that in your career, you were an air traffic controller.
149. 8:57Were you at O'Hare in Chicago?
150. 8:59Yeah, yeah.
151. 9:00I did it for over 24 years.
152. 9:02The last eight and a half years of my career, how was that O'Hare?
153. 9:07Well I've been in and out of O'Hare in Chicago midway, countless, countless times.
154. 9:12busy, busy, busy. How stressful is the job of an air traffic controller, Coral?
155. 9:18You know it's crazy because I tell people that if you know how to do the job, you're
156. 9:23wired to do it. It's not an intellect thing, obviously, because I'm the son of a professional
157. 9:27wrestler, so the IQ is gone. There's none of that. It's really more of a personality
158. 9:31trait. It really is more of a personality trait. If you're like a type A, you can make
159. 9:36a decision type individual, you'll do pretty good at air traffic control.
160. 9:42So if you're not very good or if you're a person that's super analytical and double
161. 9:48guesses everything that you're going to do, you're not going to enjoy it.
162. 9:51You're going to have a very tough time because you've got to be able to make a decision and
163. 9:54then make it work and just go with it.
164. 9:56And if it's a wrong decision, you learn from that, don't make that decision in the future
165. 9:59and keep on going.
166. 10:01I tell folks, to me, the most stressful job in the world has to be like dental hygienist.
167. 10:05I mean, I'm sorry.
168. 10:06Oh my goodness.
169. 10:07You'd have to put me in a jail to make me do that job
170. 10:11because I just couldn't do it.
171. 10:13But air traffic control, I don't want to take anything away
172. 10:16from it.
173. 10:16It is a vitally important job.
174. 10:18It is a job that requires unique skills.
175. 10:21But yeah, it's exciting for people that
176. 10:26are like me that couldn't do the same thing every day
177. 10:29because you do the same thing every day.
178. 10:30But it's different every day because of all the different
179. 10:32variables that are attached to it.
180. 10:34So I loved it.
181. 10:35I was blessed to be able to do it.
182. 10:37So I got to ask you, I mean, you've been in that tower.
183. 10:42I didn't know it was that long, 24 years.
184. 10:44You know what it is.
185. 10:45What helped us process, you know, American Eagle Flight 5342
186. 10:52coming into Reagan?
187. 10:54Well, first of all, how in the world
188. 10:57was there a Black Hawk helicopter in the airspace,
189. 11:02an active runway
190. 11:04of planes landing
191. 11:06what in the world is that helicopter doing there
192. 11:10i'd i'm not familiar with washington raga so i don't know their flight patterns
193. 11:14in that type of
194. 11:15uh... it's a tight little space
195. 11:17yeah it is every i know that that everything is because there's so much
196. 11:20restricted airspace around there everybody is funnel in and out and boom
197. 11:24and one channel that's a pretty much it's a you gotta get everybody in a
198. 11:27stent single sequence
199. 11:29to me and I talk to the buddy of mine yesterday who retired from air traffic control here
200. 11:35in Cincinnati and he and I were pretty much on the same plate what seems to have happened
201. 11:40and again we're not going to know until the NTSB releases everything so this is pure speculation
202. 11:46on my part and I don't want to in any way impugned anybody because not sure but what it
203. 11:52looks that's pretty solid is that the helicopter was at the wrong altitude as it flies along
204. 11:58that river, it's supposed to be under 200 feet, right? 200 feet, right? It's 200 feet and
205. 12:03under. And then at that point is where the airliner will be passing over at over 300 feet.
206. 12:10And so that gives you the separation. But it doesn't make any sense that helicopter was
207. 12:16that high. From everything that I can tell is that they were at fault on that. And the
208. 12:21challenge with it is this, is that the controller had issued, and their traffic, when you have
209. 12:26two aircraft that you're working and it's visual, it's clear and they can see each other.
210. 12:31You can tell the other aircraft about the other aircraft and say, okay, traffic 11 o'clock,
211. 12:37three miles, you know, 4,000, whatever type aircraft.
212. 12:39And if they see them, you tell that aircraft to maintain visual separation.
213. 12:44So as a controller, I am then passing on the responsibility to that pilot to miss that other
214. 12:50aircraft.
215. 12:51And that's what this controller had done with that helicopter because the helicopter could
216. 12:54out. Like there and let the plane pass and all that sort of a thing, it could turn to go around.
217. 13:00And so the controller had issued the traffic, he reported them inside, he told them to maintain
218. 13:05visual separation. So that helicopter was supposed to have missed that aircraft that was put on his
219. 13:11plate, that responsibility. But what I think happened is I think the helicopter actually saw
220. 13:16a different aircraft and did not realize where the other one was. That's kind of my speculation
221. 13:26I think almost all commercial airlines, and by the way, that's a big problem in air traffic.
222. 13:32You can say things perfectly correct, but it's easy for miscommunication to happen because
223. 13:37there's so many moving parts on it.
224. 13:40What I was concerned about is the American airline, almost every commercial aircraft now
225. 13:45has to have something called T-CAS, and that's where an alarm goes off if an aircraft is getting
226. 13:50too close to it.
227. 13:53So they should have received a alert, a traffic alert, from what I was able to read, that
228. 14:02possible it may have happened because it seems as if the American Airlines started to
229. 14:06pull up just before the impact.
230. 14:09So they may have had the TKF go off and they started to pull up, but it was too late.
231. 14:14I'm talking with my friend yesterday.
232. 14:16He said, Carl, once you get within a certain mileage and like a five mile circle, and I don't
233. 14:21know how far out they were on this one.
234. 14:23happens is is that many times the T-cast will alert on a lot of things and so.
235. 14:28Hey Carl, we got a break. Can you hang on Carl? Can you stay with us? Oh yeah, yeah sorry.
236. 14:34Yeah hang tight. We've got to take a brief break. Alex McFarlane, Carl Kirby here
237. 14:38for reasons for hope and we're talking about the plane crash and more. So stay
238. 14:44tuned to Hamilton Corner on the American Family Radio Network is back after this.
239. 14:48Also Craig LaRoche talked about the rights of parents, the welfare of
240. 14:53children much more on this edition of the program.
241. 14:56Stay tuned, please.
242. 15:01A discipleship minute with Joseph Parker.
243. 15:04Our words are powerful, much more so than we as human beings
244. 15:08typically understand.
245. 15:09A saying that used to be popular years ago stated,
246. 15:13Sticks and stones may break my bones,
247. 15:14but words will never harm me.
248. 15:18This is possibly one of the biggest lies you will ever hear.
249. 15:22Words can hurt to an extreme degree,
250. 15:25and people use them to hurt others every single day.
251. 15:29Yet for us as believers, followers of Christ,
252. 15:31our goal is to use our words every day to bless others
253. 15:36and point them to Christ.
254. 15:38Our words should bless others,
255. 15:40promote healing in people's lives,
256. 15:42grace and encouragement in the lives of those around us.
257. 15:45We should habitually lift others up by our words.
258. 15:49It is in fact relatively easy to bless others
259. 15:52and encourage people with our words.
260. 15:54if we wisely and very deliberately seek to do so.
261. 16:02I'm Rick Scarborough, and this is my take.
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267. 16:17Listen to the wisdom of James in chapter four of his epistle.
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272. 16:36vanishes. Instead, you ought to say, if it is the Lord's will, we will live and do this
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275. 16:54and all these other things shall be added to you.
276. 16:56I'm Rick Scarborough and that's my take.
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294. 18:06Shiting light into the darkness.
295. 18:08This is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
296. 18:13Welcome back to the program, Alex McFarland.
297. 18:15So honored to be with you on the American Family Radio
298. 18:18Network.
299. 18:20Before the break, the voice you were hearing is Carl Kirby,
300. 18:23longtime friend and colleague.
301. 18:24He's the director of Reasons for Hope,
302. 18:27which is one of the nation's preeminent apologetics ministries,
303. 18:31but also interesting background as an air traffic controller.
304. 18:36And, you know, Carl, still it's a week away,
305. 18:39but we're just grieving the tragedy of the American Airlines
306. 18:44flight that crashed into the Black Hawk helicopter.
307. 18:48And then also the Medevac plane that crashed in Philadelphia.
308. 18:53And now I hear that there are four fatalities
309. 18:56and 24 people critically injured.
310. 19:00As a former air traffic controller at O'Hare in Chicago,
311. 19:04my goodness, you were ringside
312. 19:07to one of the busiest airports anywhere.
313. 19:10Resume if you would, Carl, your thought about
314. 19:13just how this might have happened.
315. 19:15And I guess the question on everybody's mind, Carl,
316. 19:18myself included, because I fly a couple of times a week
317. 19:21with DEI in the control tower and hopefully that's getting weeded out.
318. 19:27I mean how safe is commercial flying these days but
319. 19:30Carl resume your thought if you would.
320. 19:35I genuinely believe that the air traffic control is still some of the best in the
321. 19:40world
322. 19:41especially since I left they got they got good ones in there who plays me right
323. 19:45but these guys are very very good they truly are
324. 19:48DEI is interesting
325. 19:52When I was in there, there was even some of that going on.
326. 19:56Like, let's be honest, I've been out of it for a very long time now.
327. 19:59But there was still some of that going on in there.
328. 20:02And it was very difficult to get hired unless you fit certain parameters even while I was
329. 20:07in there.
330. 20:08And so I think it's gotten even worse, especially under the last couple of administrations that
331. 20:13we've had.
332. 20:14And so has it played a role?
333. 20:18You know, it's so hard if you're not on the inside.
334. 20:20I can read these reports where I see a gentleman has now filed a lawsuit who passed at the highest
335. 20:28level, got his degree, air traffic control, submitted his paperwork, rejected even though
336. 20:33he was quoted.
337. 20:37And the only thing that could be a part of it, from what I read, right?
338. 20:42I mean, how do you know if it's completely true, was the fact that he didn't fit the
339. 20:46parameters that they wanted.
340. 20:47So when you're short as you are and they are short, they still are short, even after
341. 20:51the strike so many, many years ago, they're still short.
342. 20:54And it's going to cause a problem.
343. 20:56Even at O'Hare when I worked there, we were always short.
344. 20:59We were authorized 99 controllers.
345. 21:00And I think when I left, we had 79.
346. 21:02So guys were working and you can get tired.
347. 21:08It can wear you out.
348. 21:09But I still think it is absolutely the safest system in the world.
349. 21:15Wow.
350. 21:16Well, that's a strong endorsement.
351. 21:18And we are the are there any things that you would advise people to do about like
352. 21:24Times of day or days of the week that flying is maybe a little less burdensome
353. 21:31Not anymore man. I think every flight and I fly like I flew. Oh my gosh. I've owned over
354. 21:39It doesn't matter what day we come flying
355. 21:41It's it's jammed
356. 21:43I mean they've reduced a number of flights, you know and so that means if you get the same amount of people flying but less flights
357. 21:49well they're full and almost every flight that I'm on is full anymore.
358. 21:53Me, I'm on the first flight out every morning because if you notice you can go do a search
359. 21:57on any airport on time, you know, other on time flights.
360. 22:02First flight out in the morning is always the number one on time flight and usually I've
361. 22:07got a connection so I've got to make sure that I'm on the first flight out but the later
362. 22:12in the day that you go, the more it's not on time.
363. 22:16So to me, I'm not finding any day that is slower.
364. 22:20I mean, Sundays will probably be a slower day, Saturday, Sunday, but it doesn't work when
365. 22:26you're doing like what we're doing.
366. 22:27We need to leave and we're working on the weekends and typically flying back on Monday
367. 22:31morning.
368. 22:32Yeah.
369. 22:33Yeah.
370. 22:34I fly early myself as well.
371. 22:37And I enjoy just getting there early and feeling like I've got to jump on the day.
372. 22:41But Carl, we're going to have to pull away.
373. 22:43I want to thank you for serving our country the way you do and we love all that you're
374. 22:47doing with reasons for hope and I'm so thrilled about the camps we're doing again this summer
375. 22:53for hundreds and hundreds of young people and even for college age, tell us about the one
376. 23:00last question then we're going to change gears here but at Judson University.
377. 23:06Yeah, Judson University in Elgin, Illinois is July 20 to 25 and this is good
378. 23:13Did it impact curriculum impact
379. 23:17Conference and we are having a special session at this one where anybody that's interested in doing
380. 23:24Presentations future communicators where we have one out we have a time set aside every evening where that individual
381. 23:31They get up they go they give their presentation and then we all of us about speakers that are there
382. 23:35We're going to mentor them.
383. 23:36We're going to give them feedback and try and help them.
384. 23:39We'll have all the teaching.
385. 23:40We'll have all the fun stuff.
386. 23:41We'll have the worship.
387. 23:42We'll have all that.
388. 23:43But this is really one more mentorship type in this one.
389. 23:49So July 2025, you can find it on the equipretreat.org website and join us.
390. 23:56Wonderful.
391. 23:57Carl Kirby, I appreciate you so much.
392. 24:00And thanks for the time today.
393. 24:02We're going to change gears here.
394. 24:04Alex McFarland sitting in for Abe Hamilton,
395. 24:07and I want to bring up Craig D'Roche, who
396. 24:10is the leader of the FamilyPolicyAlliance.com.
397. 24:15And by the way, my travel schedule,
398. 24:18I've got a lot going on.
399. 24:19I'll be in Wichita, Kansas later this month.
400. 24:22Before we bring Craig up, let me remind people
401. 24:25that I will be at the Billy Graham Training Center in Western
402. 24:27North Carolina, July and August, two sessions.
403. 24:31If you've never been to the Cove, the website is thecove.org.
404. 24:36It's just phenomenal, the food, the accommodations.
405. 24:39In July, July 18th through 20, I'll be at the Cove
406. 24:42teaching the book of Job this year.
407. 24:44Why do the righteous suffer?
408. 24:46Why is there pain and suffering in the world?
409. 24:48And then I'll be there the first week of August
410. 24:50with J. Warner Wallace.
411. 24:52And we'll be doing a session on apologetics
412. 24:55and defending the faith.
413. 24:56And whether I'm on the road, our summer youth camps
414. 24:59at the Cove, I would love to see you this summer. But you know, with the change of Presidential
415. 25:06administrations, frankly, I'm thrilled that President Trump is standing for the things
416. 25:12that he's doing in his inauguration speech. He talked about two genders, male and female.
417. 25:19Well, to help us weigh in on the cultural battles and just keeping our focus on truth
418. 25:27and maybe hope on the horizon. Craig Derosh of FamilyPolicyAlliance.com and we've got an issue that they're championing which is help not harm related to the welfare of children.
419. 25:43We'll weigh in on this and other issues. But Craig, thanks for holding in. Thank you for making time to be with us this evening on the American Family Radio Network.
420. 25:52Well, Alex, it's a privilege to be with you and I love sitting through that last segment
421. 25:58and learning as all your other guests, Dan.
422. 26:00It's great to be with you here tonight.
423. 26:03Well, thanks very much.
424. 26:04Carl Kirby was a former air traffic controller at Chicago O'Hare and he was giving us some
425. 26:10insights there.
426. 26:12But I appreciate you.
427. 26:15You've been published by the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, Fox, Christianity
428. 26:20today. You were in an Academy Award-nominated documentary. I mean, you've had an amazing,
429. 26:30amazing, accomplished journey already. Bring us up to speed on how the Lord Jesus is leading
430. 26:39your life and what things are top of mind with the Family Policy Alliance.
431. 26:46Well, thank you for that, Alex.
432. 26:49And yes, thank you for letting me share a little bit about what Jesus has been doing in my life.
433. 26:55Folks, when he says I've done a lot of things, I'm like the forest-gump character in the room.
434. 27:02So I'm not the most important person in the room, but I've been in a lot of important rings
435. 27:07in my life.
436. 27:08And that's what God is.
437. 27:11me and I had an old boss who would tell me that God wastes nothing and I've learned that
438. 27:18over and over again in my life. So all those times when I was on the city council in a local
439. 27:24government and I was in the state legislature and I was Speaker of the House. But at the same
440. 27:31time I was blowing up my life in addiction. I'm one of those people as well and I was raised
441. 27:36by a father who's an alcoholic.
442. 27:39He got sober the year that I moved out of the house
443. 27:42to go to college, but one of those stories,
444. 27:45I got sober, cleaned up my own life,
445. 27:47and I work in family policy now,
446. 27:51and I try to use my, as we say, recovery meetings.
447. 27:56We try to use our experience, strength, and hope
448. 27:59to save a more crass way.
449. 28:00I've made so many mistakes in my life.
450. 28:02I try to, you're not gonna live long enough
451. 28:05to make as many as I am Alex and other people.
452. 28:08So we try to share those and we try to be helpful
453. 28:11where we can, but God has used me since I left the legislature
454. 28:15since I met Jesus and really committed my life to his work
455. 28:21and how he could use me.
456. 28:23I worked for Chuck Colson for a decade
457. 28:25in criminal justice reform.
458. 28:27He hired me in 2011 before he went home to glory.
459. 28:31And then now I'm the CEO of the Family Policy Alliance
460. 28:34Colorado Springs and working on more of these upstream family policy issues and
461. 28:39this one boy is this a special season of crazy in America that we have to work
462. 28:46on issues like this as an analysis. Well it is and Craig let me say this I was a
463. 28:52youth pastor for 11 years and then for the last 25 years have been in Christian
464. 29:00broadcasting, Christian publishing, organizing events.
465. 29:04And here's where I want to go with this.
466. 29:07Okay.
467. 29:08Yeah.
468. 29:09Okay.
469. 29:10Yeah.
470. 29:11The biblical worldview, apologetics, that's important.
471. 29:12I've given my adult life to those things, writing, researching, working on things like
472. 29:17the truth project.
473. 29:18I worked with Chuck Colson and so a lot of the names you mentioned, they definitely resonate
474. 29:25with me.
475. 29:26I've come to believe spiritually as a pastor, as a counselor, as an educator, everything rises or
476. 29:34falls on the state of the family. And really, as much as I'm in academia and teaching and a lot of
477. 29:43things, here's where my wife and I are at after 35 years, save the family and you will save the nation.
478. 29:53everything right.
479. 29:54Amen, brother.
480. 29:55Amen, brother.
481. 29:56Amen, brother.
482. 29:57You're getting me excited.
483. 29:58I thought I was being a guest on your show.
484. 29:59You're getting me excited.
485. 30:00I couldn't agree with you more because I saw the impact.
486. 30:03And I love my family.
487. 30:04I love the family as raised with.
488. 30:12I love my crazy extended family.
489. 30:15I love the family that I'm raising and stuff like that.
490. 30:19But I would love to talk to you about that.
491. 30:22about that. And if you need to convince your audience first that you're telling the truth,
492. 30:26I'll give them a couple of examples right now. Yeah, please. Because what I want you to say
493. 30:31with everybody out here listening is look, look, folks, men, let me say the best thing
494. 30:36you can ever do for your children is to love their mother. Amen. I say, lose at anything
495. 30:44else but win with your family. Am I right, Craig? That's what will save our nation is
496. 30:51the Christian family.
497. 30:53That's right.
498. 30:54That's right because listen folks we can't outside of Christians and understand these
499. 31:00things.
500. 31:01I'm going to say a couple things are a minus of this Alex and I know that there's going
501. 31:04to be plenty of people in your audience that I'm going to catch them off guard.
502. 31:07They're going to be on their heels tonight or today whenever they're listening to us they're
503. 31:11going to say thank you for reminding me of that.
504. 31:15People that are not Christian in this country will call, they call our solutions our problems.
505. 31:21They say that we have an abortion problem.
506. 31:24We have an abortion problem.
507. 31:25We have a suicide problem.
508. 31:27We have an addiction problem.
509. 31:28We have a divorce problem in America.
510. 31:31We have school shooting problem, right?
511. 31:33And wait a second, I drank alcohol to solve my problems.
512. 31:38I didn't have a drinking problem.
513. 31:40The school shooting isn't a done problem.
514. 31:42The kid that is pursuing violence thinks
515. 31:45that that is gonna improve his situation somehow.
516. 31:48It's gonna solve his problem.
517. 31:50The murderer is trying to solve their problem
518. 31:52by killing somebody else, right?
519. 31:54It's not getting into divorce, committing suicide, right?
520. 31:57We have it backwards as a culture.
521. 32:00And that is why it's so hard for us to penetrate
522. 32:05and get through to these government officials
523. 32:08what we're trying to get when we try to explain
524. 32:10to them what they're getting wrong
525. 32:11is they don't understand simple things.
526. 32:13I told you about my recovery,
527. 32:15I'm in recovery for addiction and alcohol.
528. 32:18I bet a lot of Christians on this call would say,
529. 32:21well the first thing you should do
530. 32:22if your addictive alcohol is go to a doctor
531. 32:25because you have a disease, right?
532. 32:27Well, it's not true.
533. 32:29Like how come every time I went back
534. 32:31to drinking alcohol, I was sober?
535. 32:35And I say that to people that are new to recovery
536. 32:38and they say I never thought about it that way.
537. 32:40Right, because this world is trying to pull you away
538. 32:43from where the answers actually are.
539. 32:45They're trying to call your solutions, your problems.
540. 32:48They're trying to tell you that you have power over these things, that you can control them,
541. 32:53and that you have a medical issue, not a spiritual problem, that you have an anger issue, not a
542. 32:57spiritual problem, that you're having this righteousness about you rather than something
543. 33:02where you should fear the Lord with it.
544. 33:05And so, yeah, metaphysically, we get ourselves all bunched up and a nut.
545. 33:08That's why I was getting excited when you said this.
546. 33:10And where does it all come from?
547. 33:11Where do we learn that stuff?
548. 33:13Right?
549. 33:14And I joke with people, I say, well, addiction is not a disease if it's not genetic.
550. 33:18I'm sure some of those things are, right?
551. 33:19Because certain families have certain, you know, like,
552. 33:22I don't like hot food.
553. 33:23Some people would like hot food and things.
554. 33:25But like I said, no one has ever been born
555. 33:27meeting alcohol or an opiate.
556. 33:30It's a bad idea.
557. 33:31That wants it back.
558. 33:33Where did you learn how to solve your problems
559. 33:35with alcohol?
560. 33:37Baropiates, right?
561. 33:38And for most people, that starts in the family.
562. 33:41And I joke with them when they say that, they say,
563. 33:43well, I'll take one that everybody assumes is genetic obesity.
564. 33:47And I say, how can you see that white American family
565. 33:53and they're all 150 pounds overweight
566. 33:55and they have that South Korean son or daughter with them
567. 34:00and they're 100 pounds overweight.
568. 34:02That's the exact same outfit out of everything.
569. 34:04It's like, cause they are solving their problems
570. 34:07the same way.
571. 34:08They don't have an eating problem,
572. 34:10they're eating to solve their problem.
573. 34:12And so I'm just saying I'm glad you're saying that
574. 34:14because when it comes into this stuff
575. 34:15and that's why the evil one is spent so much of his time
576. 34:19trying to break down the family in America
577. 34:21with these radical LGBTQ get rid of the marital bond.
578. 34:26That doesn't mean anything,
579. 34:27get rid of the bond between mother and father
580. 34:30and their child and the portion.
581. 34:31That doesn't mean anything.
582. 34:33Hey Craig, we've got to take a break.
583. 34:35Craig, hang with it.
584. 34:37Folks, when we come back,
585. 34:38we're gonna talk about help, not harm,
586. 34:40but I'm gonna give you a pyramid of steps
587. 34:43to influence your children's life in a wonderful way.
588. 34:47We'll talk more with Craig Derroach after this.
589. 34:50Stay tuned, we've got a brief break, we're back.
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642. 38:46Welcome back to the program Alex McFarland here on the American Family Radio Network.
643. 38:50We're talking with Craig DeRoe.
644. 38:52She's the president and CEO of the Family Policy Alliance.
645. 38:57Hey, Craig, I know on your website you've got a page of allies, Family Policy Alliance organizations
646. 39:06around the country that they stand for the values that we stand for of life and parents'
647. 39:14rights and just God and country.
648. 39:17Tell us about the policy alliance and the respective affinity organizations that you've
649. 39:27got listed there.
650. 39:28People all across the country can interface with these people and make a positive difference
651. 39:33for our nation, but tell us about all this.
652. 39:37Absolutely.
653. 39:38So if you're at home and you're listening to this, you're driving in your car, you're
654. 39:41wondering, how come Christians don't have what the left has?
655. 39:45How come nobody's thought up having a group that can aggregate and organize the Christian
656. 39:51movement and then broader than the Christian movement, just like the Satanists will try
657. 39:56to snag everybody they can though even go into these local churches and stuff?
658. 40:03to attract the social conservatives.
659. 40:06So we serve Christians,
660. 40:08but since America is primarily a Christian country,
661. 40:12a lot of the Jews and Islamic
662. 40:15and other religions and just socially conservative families
663. 40:20will work with our organizations in the state and nationally.
664. 40:23And the difference of our group called
665. 40:26Family Policy Alliance compared to nearly everybody else
666. 40:30that you're gonna hear of,
667. 40:31and I'm not bad melting them.
668. 40:32I love all the organizations we work with.
669. 40:35But where our leadership comes,
670. 40:38as Alex was talking about,
671. 40:39the answer is in your family.
672. 40:42Actually the answer is with Jesus Christ and you directly.
673. 40:45And then the next phase out from that for governance
674. 40:49is your family.
675. 40:51Then it's community.
676. 40:52And that's where most of the governance
677. 40:54in America should come from.
678. 40:56You shouldn't need much from your state.
679. 40:57You shouldn't need much from the federal government.
680. 40:59So we're actually structured locally.
681. 41:01We have 40 state organizations that work with 50,000 local churches,
682. 41:06and that's where we are. We try to be in the communities and work up toward Washington, DC,
683. 41:13instead of in Washington, DC working toward your kitchen table.
684. 41:17So that's a little bit of background about it. And if I could really quick, Alex,
685. 41:21just plug the size of us because most people, though Google Family Policy Alliance,
686. 41:25they'll say, well, you're not that big. You're not as big as other national groups,
687. 41:28but it's because we are spread out
688. 41:31across these 40 organizations,
689. 41:33but between us we actually have over 60 million a year
690. 41:36in revenue and 400 full-time employees,
691. 41:40and that doesn't count what we spend in politics.
692. 41:42That's just in our policy work.
693. 41:45So it's actually a really,
694. 41:47God has raised up a substantial,
695. 41:50substantial pro-family social conservative Christian movement
696. 41:55that works hand in glove with groups
697. 41:57like the American Family Radio, the American Family Association,
698. 42:00and others in what we call the social conservative movement
699. 42:03in America.
700. 42:05Wow.
701. 42:05Powerful, powerful.
702. 42:07And there is such power in collaboration
703. 42:11and like-minded individuals linking arms together.
704. 42:14But I want to ask you about help not harm,
705. 42:18because my goodness, the rise of this incredibly powerful LGBTQ
706. 42:23trans lobby for those of us that care about the welfare of young people and that's hopefully
707. 42:30all of us. I mean it's been just heartbreaking to see frankly shocking to see how the transgender
708. 42:38ideology has entrenched itself in our culture and even our legislation. So Craig help not harm.
709. 42:47It's very exciting. Tell us about this initiative.
710. 42:49Yeah, so it means exactly what it says.
711. 42:54We need to be helping not harming people.
712. 42:57In this case, adolescents people have not reached the age of 18 that think that they were created
713. 43:03in the long body.
714. 43:04They think I was born a man, which means I'm the male, Columbusans male, Judge.
715. 43:10I tell you the whole deal, right?
716. 43:13through all ages and time have had this mental illness called gender dysphoria.
717. 43:21And where they believe they're in the wrong gender, or that they are the opposite gender,
718. 43:26just like there's a lot of other mental illnesses where people believe things that are simply not true
719. 43:31about themselves or about others. But over the last 30 years, with the rise of this LGBTQ movement,
720. 43:39It's empowered some really nefarious bad acting people to go under the cover of helping people
721. 43:47and really hurting them.
722. 43:48And so what we have across the country today is medical professionals, hospitals, too,
723. 43:54institutions, our military for that matter, our VA, our maiming and sterilizing, a growing
724. 44:01number of impressionable children, and the radical and false claim that adults can change
725. 44:06your child sex through a series of irreversible medical interventions. It's stunning, folks.
726. 44:14If you think about what medicine is, what medical care is, in every situation is meant
727. 44:21to improve your situation, medically necessary. It means it's medically necessary. If it's
728. 44:27cosmetic, it's supposed to make you look better. But these surgeries take healthy people
729. 44:34and give them a chronic disease that requires drugs and treatment for the rest of their life.
730. 44:39It doesn't decrease the risk of suicide, increases them greatly.
731. 44:45And as I pointed out in the first segment of when you and I were talking, it's not even
732. 44:49their problem in the first place that the kid has.
733. 44:53They're looking for a solution to their problem.
734. 44:55They're unaware of the word, they're unaware of the relief that they can get from Jesus,
735. 45:00and they're doing what I did and what everybody else said.
736. 45:02I pursued alcohol and drugs and stuff.
737. 45:04Other people pursued sex.
738. 45:06Other people gambling, pornography,
739. 45:07and name it.
740. 45:08This world is full of fallen objects to pursue.
741. 45:13But what made this crazy, Alex, was that our government,
742. 45:16and one political party in particular,
743. 45:19it's not a problem.
744. 45:19I'm not going to make it a partisan issue
745. 45:21because the solution has been buried by a partisan.
746. 45:24But mostly from one political party over the last 30 years,
747. 45:28we're actually trying to convince people
748. 45:30that they could change their sex and that that's really come to a head in this election
749. 45:34as your listeners know and that President Trump's taking decisive action now.
750. 45:41Well how concerned should people be about this?
751. 45:47Well they should be concerned because this is the thing Alex's most people including
752. 45:52my own life. She thought that maybe conservatives that Christians were making something up,
753. 45:59This happened isolated somewhere, Alex.
754. 46:02Maybe this happened in California,
755. 46:04in some weird hospital, and they're running the experiment.
756. 46:07Or maybe there was a kid that was so far gone
757. 46:09and they meant to leave that they needed this kind of thing.
758. 46:12And people rationalized that stuff in their head.
759. 46:15And they're shocked to hear that under the Biden administration,
760. 46:19that Dr. Heim, Ethan Heim, a devout Jew medical person,
761. 46:28was told to be involved with one of these things because he was on staff and he said,
762. 46:33there's zero chance that I will ever do that. It breaks my oath that hurts and he doesn't
763. 46:38help them. And he filed a whistleblower complaint in the state of Texas. The Biden administration's
764. 46:46response was to show up his house with armed people, armed law enforcement officers, and
765. 46:55and search for it, go after him, go after the nurse,
766. 46:57it also filed the whistleblower campaign.
767. 47:00And the craziest thing now is they were saying
768. 47:03all these hospitals and these medical places
769. 47:05that they weren't actually doing these things
770. 47:08to these minors manipulating sexual genitalia stuff,
771. 47:14the kind of things we were afraid
772. 47:16that some of these Islamic countries
773. 47:17were gonna bring over to our country, they're doing it,
774. 47:20they're denying it.
775. 47:21And then President Trump issued his
776. 47:23Executive order banning this on January 28th, and then, you know, that's only been a couple
777. 47:29of days in top, top, top these hospitals all over America are admitting that they were
778. 47:34in this business, that they're mutilating children, that they were doing it without the consent
779. 47:39appearance, that they were doing it in these super legal situations.
780. 47:43It just stunning.
781. 47:44This is going to be looked back at Alex as one of the darkest things like we look back
782. 47:50of the internment camps of Japanese people in World War II, or when we gave black people
783. 47:55syphilis, or CIA did, and they called it the Tuskegee experiments to see how long they
784. 48:02would take to go insane.
785. 48:04This is going to be one of these things that people look back at our country as a huge
786. 48:09dark stain.
787. 48:10And it's just, it's a miracle.
788. 48:12It's wonderful that we have President Trump in there, and he's taken his decisive action
789. 48:17within days of returning the presidency.
790. 48:21And let me just say this to Craig, I was a youth pastor for 11 years and my grad degree
791. 48:31in addition to world of unapologetics was in developmental psych.
792. 48:35And I remember 30 years ago we were studying among children and pre-adolescence and adolescents.
793. 48:43we were just this psychological phenomenon called suggestibility.
794. 48:49Now I remember researching this 30 years ago because there was talk about children's
795. 48:57testimony being admissible in court cases.
796. 49:01Here's my point.
797. 49:02Sometimes, very tragically, let's say a child witnesses a crime, but attorneys and therapists
798. 49:09have to be very careful how they interact with children.
799. 49:13And folks, you'll see where I'm going with this in just a second,
800. 49:16because of what is cost suggestibility.
801. 49:18And suggestibility among, say, three to five and six year olds,
802. 49:24it's possible that a child will give the answer
803. 49:28that they think you want to hear.
804. 49:31But really from about eight through 11 through 16 year old,
805. 49:36suggestibility becomes much higher
806. 49:39because is it the desire to fit in?
807. 49:42During pre-adolescence and adolescence,
808. 49:45there's being unsure of oneself,
809. 49:49and you say what you think the adult in the room wants to hear.
810. 49:53Now here's my point.
811. 49:55In 30 plus years of not only doing youth events,
812. 50:00youth ministry, counseling families,
813. 50:03Craig, I've never had a youth ever,
814. 50:08ever and we've over 30 plus years, no kidding, interacted with a couple of hundred thousand
815. 50:17teenagers. I've never had a teenager ever say, oh my goodness, I was born in the wrong body.
816. 50:25I have to get medical transformation or transition. Now kids, they're angry. I hate my parents. I
817. 50:32want more freedom. You know, I have counsel with families where a teenager was struggling
818. 50:40with some sort of deviant sexual desire. But in terms of, you know, I want to be a different
819. 50:49gender and this has to happen now, never, never in over 200,000 youth. Here's my point.
820. 50:59I believe much of the sudden, you know, it's almost chic to want to identify as something
821. 51:08other than your birth gender.
822. 51:10It's largely due to the cultural imposing of this, leftist educators, leftist legislators,
823. 51:21whether they realize it or not, they're playing on the suggestibility of children and teens.
824. 51:31Not any legitimate real psychological or physiological need.
825. 51:37It's just something that's come about.
826. 51:40And the left that doesn't recognize God, they don't recognize moral absolutes, they don't
827. 51:46recognize the adults moral responsibility to advocate for the welfare of the children,
828. 51:55this is just one more relativistic secular trend and the sad thing is the victims are
829. 52:02children that we adults are supposed to be protecting.
830. 52:06Amen, Alex.
831. 52:07And it's so hard too.
832. 52:11And thank you for saying that.
833. 52:12And if I could add a couple words to what you just said,
834. 52:16because I think that that's what Christians feel
835. 52:18like their tongues are tied to America right now,
836. 52:20but let me help you guys shout this thing.
837. 52:22What Alex just said, you don't have to be quiet on this.
838. 52:26We have a juvenile justice system in America.
839. 52:29Say that to people.
840. 52:30Why is that?
841. 52:31Because it's a completely different situation
842. 52:33when a 14 year old punches somebody in the face
843. 52:36at a McDonald's than a 35 year old.
844. 52:39It's a completely different situation
845. 52:41Because the kids' brain hasn't developed yet,
846. 52:43and everybody knows that.
847. 52:45It's a consensus.
848. 52:47In America, we don't have the 14-year-olds.
849. 52:49We can't get them a sex partner
850. 52:53to make them feel more comfortable.
851. 52:54And we can't buy alcohol for their junior high school
852. 52:58or high school friends as a parent, right?
853. 53:00We can't get them antibiotics steroids
854. 53:02to help them make diversity football team in high school.
855. 53:05These are all equally stupid ideas, right?
856. 53:09their mind.
857. 53:10We can't help them cheat on the ACT or SAT to get in the USC, right?
858. 53:17Because what we're doing is we're actually stealing from our kids.
859. 53:20We're stealing their childhood because we're sexualizing it and they shouldn't be sexualized
860. 53:26until they're 18 years old.
861. 53:27There's absolutely zero reason for it.
862. 53:30We're stealing their identity.
863. 53:32We're stealing from them the solution of the pathway toward Christ and that we're falling
864. 53:37for a really cool trick out so I'm so glad that you said that when they show and
865. 53:42that that's what we need to do just like President Trump did just say the
866. 53:45answer is no this is ridiculous invented pushback Craig we're almost at a time
867. 53:50Craig Durosh of the Family Policy Alliance dot com check out their website
868. 53:55hey I'll be back Tuesday and Wednesday on the Hamilton corner we've got some
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870. 54:04all tell everybody about Jesus.
871. 54:06May God bless you.