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11. 1:02of what transpired, it was a landslide
12. 1:07and the electoral college, but when you look at it
13. 1:09on a state by state basis, the majority of the states
14. 1:12that President Trump won, he won by two to three points.
15. 1:15There obviously are some exceptions to that,
16. 1:18but when you talk about the swing states, especially,
17. 1:21it was closer than expected.
18. 1:24Not, not expected, it was closer than it feels
19. 1:27because of the electoral college landslide.
20. 1:30And when you see the Senate races overturning things
21. 1:33that nature what I'm saying is what I've been saying. God has granted us mercy. So we need
22. 1:39to understand that and then respond accordingly. This is not the time to, you know, we want,
23. 1:46we want, we shot you down with a BB gun. You lost, you lost, now not eating that tomato sauce,
24. 1:52you know, and just stay there. I understand people that have a celebratory mindset. I'm a bit more
25. 2:00more sober I know than a lot of people.
26. 2:04But I'm sobered, I'm excited and focused
27. 2:07because there was much, much work to be done.
28. 2:11God gave us a glimpse as to what could be
29. 2:15under the Harris Biden administration,
30. 2:19the third term of Obama.
31. 2:23And the American people showed,
32. 2:26no, no, we don't want that.
33. 2:28No, think no, we don't want that.
34. 2:30We don't want that.
35. 2:33But what type of nation will we be?
36. 2:34I said this and I will continue to say,
37. 2:36I believe God has given us an opportunity
38. 2:39as we are transitioning into the next phase
39. 2:43of his story through our nation,
40. 2:46but it's incumbent upon us to understand
41. 2:49that we need to work.
42. 2:53We need to work.
43. 2:56It shouldn't be lost on us.
44. 2:58That's seven of 10 states
45. 3:00enshrined into their state constitutions.
46. 3:04the right to slaughter unborn children at the exact same time.
47. 3:07Montana's measure will require an additional vote in two years
48. 3:12before that one being enshrined, but they made a vote this time
49. 3:15to take the step in that direction.
50. 3:17So we need to be aware of that because,
51. 3:21as I've said before, John Adams proclaimed it.
52. 3:23George Washington said it,
53. 3:24our constitutional Republican form of government
54. 3:26is only as efficacy for moral people.
55. 3:31The morality that John Adams was referring to
56. 3:33was a biblical morality.
57. 3:37All right.
58. 3:39The mercy of God is abundant,
59. 3:42but His mercy is bestowed upon us
60. 3:44for us to respond with the appropriate response.
61. 3:482016, a lot of people went to sleep.
62. 3:53So busy celebrating and doing the huckabuck,
63. 3:57a lot of people went to sleep.
64. 3:59And, you know, I have just a graphic here
65. 4:02and I know some people get uncomfortable
66. 4:04when I say these kinds of things,
67. 4:05But oh, well, I'm a Sam anyway.
68. 4:09Just a couple of statistics for you
69. 4:10before we get to the word of God.
70. 4:122004, John Kerry, Democratic President,
71. 4:15Democratic candidate for president got 59 million votes.
72. 4:182008, Hope and Change, Barack Obama,
73. 4:20Democrat candidate for the presidency got 69 million votes.
74. 4:242012, Barack Obama, Democrat candidate,
75. 4:26Democrat candidate for the president, incumbent president,
76. 4:29got 66 million votes.
77. 4:31Hillary Clinton, 2016, Democrat candidate for the presidency
78. 4:35got 66 million votes popular votes I'm talking about.
79. 4:40Kamala Harris, Democrat candidate for the presidency in 2024,
80. 4:4468 million votes.
81. 4:472020, Joe Biden, Democrat president, Democrat candidate
82. 4:50for the presidency, 81 million votes.
83. 4:56Someone wants to explain it to me,
84. 4:57which one doesn't belong?
85. 5:0059 million, 69 million, 66 million, 66 million, 68 million,
86. 5:05then 81 million.
87. 5:07Oh, and by the way, in case you're wondering,
88. 5:09When Joe Biden got 81 million votes,
89. 5:12Donald Trump got 76 million votes.
90. 5:15You wanna know how many votes Donald Trump has?
91. 5:16No, and they're still counting, thanks to California.
92. 5:2273 million votes, 72.829 million votes and counting.
93. 5:26Kinda close to 76 million, isn't it?
94. 5:30So where did those other 13 million votes?
95. 5:33No.
96. 5:35Did they just disappear?
97. 5:42I report you decide.
98. 5:44Let's get into the word of God, man.
99. 5:46Nehemiah chapter four, Nehemiah chapter four.
100. 5:50I mean, I know people, hey, come on, hey.
101. 5:54Nehemiah chapter four.
102. 5:57Merrell says, hey, a lot of people die from COVID,
103. 5:58maybe like 15 million.
104. 5:59Yeah, and they all just happen to vote for Mr. Robinette.
105. 6:06Nehemiah chapter four.
106. 6:10The book of Nehemiah, many of you may be aware of this.
107. 6:12Some of you may not be aware of this.
108. 6:14The book of Nehemiah is dated at about 430 BC.
109. 6:17Nehemiah returns to Jerusalem about 13 years after Ezra.
110. 6:22to Ezra, you can read that Ezra and Nehemiah together. Nehemiah was the cup bearer to the Persian
111. 6:27king to whom he expressed his desire to return back to Jerusalem. You read the book, you see the
112. 6:35story, the funds that were provided by the Persian king, Nehemiah returns to Jerusalem and finds the
113. 6:41wall to Jerusalem in shambles. All right, finds the wall in shambles. Oh, I know Merle said that was
114. 6:48the joke. I know it was a joke, partly because I know Merle. Yeah, that was a joke.
115. 6:55Nehemiah returns to Jerusalem and finds the wall of Jerusalem and shambles.
116. 7:02And this is really the context of the entire book and this portion we're going to drill down into
117. 7:07in chapter four, verse one begins, thusly, now it came about that when sand ballot who was a
118. 7:15Horonite, the scripture tells us this in chapter two, when sand ballot heard that we were rebuilding
119. 7:21the wall, he became furious and very angry and mocked the Jews. He spoke in the presence of his brothers
120. 7:29and the wealthy men of Samaria and said, what are these feeble Jews doing? Are they going to restore
121. 7:35it for themselves? Can they offer sacrifices? Can they finish in a day? Can they revive the stones
122. 7:40from the dusty rubble, even the burned ones? Now, Tobiah, the Ammonite, was near, saying
123. 7:48and he said, even what they're building,
124. 7:51if a fox should jump on it, it would break
125. 7:53that stone wall down.
126. 7:56Of course, the bobbin didn't give us any voice inflections,
127. 7:59but if you ever been in a situation, I have.
128. 8:03We have one person, you know, they have a little group
129. 8:06together and one person is talking trash,
130. 8:08and then the other one is kind of cowardly,
131. 8:10but he's emboldened because he's in the group
132. 8:12of trash talkers, like, yeah, yeah, in your mama too.
133. 8:15Kind of how to buy in sand ballot.
134. 8:20but they a little bit more intense than that,
135. 8:22because check this, I'll drop down to verse six.
136. 8:24So we, near my speaking again,
137. 8:25so we built the wall and the whole wall was joined together
138. 8:29to half it's height.
139. 8:32It had an amazing amount of progress
140. 8:34in a short amount of time.
141. 8:35The whole wall was joined together to half it's height
142. 8:39for the people had a mind to work.
143. 8:44Now when sand ballad, the Horonite, Tabaya, the Ammonite,
144. 8:48the Arabs, the Ammonites, the Anishnites,
145. 8:50and the ash didites heard that the repair of the walls
146. 8:54of Jerusalem went on and that the breaches began to be closed,
147. 8:58they were very angry.
148. 9:03All of them conspired together to come and fight
149. 9:06against Jerusalem and to cause a disturbance in it.
150. 9:12I wanted to present this to you
151. 9:14because the scripture bears out, yes,
152. 9:16that the Lord provided an amazing move of his spirit.
153. 9:20That wasn't what people commonly refer to as a move of God.
154. 9:26God moved by a spirit in Jerusalem at this time
155. 9:28to cause the people to have a unified,
156. 9:30invested commitment to physically and manually work.
157. 9:35God by his spirit gave them an infusion of grace
158. 9:40to labor, to work.
159. 9:44When we think about moves of God,
160. 9:46sometimes we think about it in kind of esoteric
161. 9:49or kind of ethereal terms, but God operates in a manifold ways.
162. 9:56What I want you to see in the scripture here is that God is moving by His Spirit to provide
163. 10:04a supernatural unity and a commitment to labor.
164. 10:10This is one of the things that I am praying for in our context, in our time period, that
165. 10:17that God would give us a mind and a heart and an infusion of his grace to put hands to
166. 10:24the plows that he's presented before us.
167. 10:29That God would give us minds, hearts, wills, and the grace of his spirit to work.
168. 10:37But I also want you to see this other component because often when this text and others are
169. 10:43pointed to, when God does provide these infuses of his grace, we can ignore this next component.
170. 10:52Look at verse 7.
171. 10:54Now, when some sand ballad, tabaya, the Arabs, the Ammonites, the Aesthetites heard that the
172. 11:02repair of the walls of Jerusalem went on, when they learned that God had given His people
173. 11:07a mind to work, look at their response.
174. 11:10And when they learned that the breaches in the wall, the holes in the wall, the soft spots,
175. 11:14the weak spots in the wall began to be closed, look at their response.
176. 11:18They were very angry.
177. 11:23They were very angry and not just generally, hmm, look at them walking in their wall, look
178. 11:32what verse 8 says, and then all of them, they weren't just angry, then all of them can conspire
179. 11:38together to come and fight against Jerusalem and to cause a disturbance in it.
180. 11:49They weren't just upset that the word continued, they conspired together to oppose God's ordained
181. 11:59rebuilding efforts. I want you to be aware brothers and sisters that as God answers our prayer,
182. 12:12as God graces us with the sober mindedness and a clarity of sight and a resolve in our hearts to
183. 12:19be about his business. Don't think for one moment that we will be able to move about the cabin without
184. 12:25opposition. Don't think for one moment that our responding to the Lord's call, he's granting us
185. 12:32this reprieve, his enabling us with space and grace to fulfill what he's calling us to.
186. 12:39Don't think that it won't face opposition.
187. 12:42What I want you to see, and I would encourage you to read the entire book of Nehemiah, just
188. 12:48as I mentioned Tuesday, as the Lord told the people through Haggai, you don't need to fear
189. 12:56because I am in your midst.
190. 13:01So get to work in my name.
191. 13:03We will face opposition.
192. 13:07These wicked forces, man, that have been working to try to fundamentally transform America.
193. 13:12And what I want you to see, it's not merely a civic or a political transformation, it's
194. 13:19spiritual.
195. 13:21It's spiritual.
196. 13:24The wicked forces that have endeavored to normalize child mutilation, child sacrifice, sexual immorality,
197. 13:32defilement of our land, normalizing theft, the forced confiscation of resources from one
198. 13:38to redistribute it to make government the central abiding force to where government replaces God,
199. 13:44man, these people haven't gone anywhere. And a part of the reason I wanted to show you yesterday
200. 13:48with the clip that I showed you that they're not having a sober, introspective, and objective
201. 13:53analysis to see, well, maybe we simply should reconsider our position and engage with our fellow
202. 13:58Americans to come to try to understand why we have such divergent postures concerning life.
203. 14:04No, these people are social geologists.
204. 14:12The only thing that they see in my way is right.
205. 14:19And so what I want you to be aware of is that we must take advantage of the
206. 14:23grace and space.
207. 14:24We must, must get to work, but soberly be aware that we will face opposition.
208. 14:30But the beautiful thing is that in facing opposition, we're not facing it alone.
209. 14:35That as we humble ourselves before God, each man being cognizant of the plague of our own
210. 14:41hearts, bearing fruit and keeping with repentance and yielding to our King to be his ambassadors
211. 14:49as his hand and feet, we will face opposition, but by his grace, he is the strength that overcomes
212. 14:55that opposition through us.
213. 15:01Let's think about what God has done.
214. 15:03I would wager that his top news story is still that the free salvation to the blood of Jesus
215. 15:09Christ is available to all.
216. 15:11I wager that would be the top news story until that salvation is no longer available.
217. 15:15You will have made your decision for eternity.
218. 15:18He doesn't ask us to do anything he wants.
219. 15:20And then he dies above what we can possibly do.
220. 15:24Here Todd Herman on a Disciples View, weekdays 12 p.m. Central on AFR.
221. 15:36Shiting lightning to the darkness, this is the Hamilton Corner, an American family radio.
222. 15:42Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third here and I am delighted
223. 15:46to have on the program with me, my friend, my brother in Christ, president of wall builders,
224. 15:52which is a national pro-family organization that presents America's forgotten history and
225. 15:57heroes with an emphasis on our religious, moral and constitutional heritage.
226. 16:03America's founding is what wall builders focuses on and exposing the lies regarding our history
227. 16:09that threatened to tear down our society.
228. 16:10My guest is, again, president of the wall builders, Tim Barton.
229. 16:14Tim, thank you for joining me here on the program.
230. 16:17My pleasure to be with you. Thanks for having me on.
231. 16:19Oh man, it is my pleasure to have you on.
232. 16:22Thank you for coming back onto the show.
233. 16:24Again, I was honored to be able to join you for a brief moment
234. 16:28in the election coverage that you were helping to lead
235. 16:32on election night.
236. 16:33And I just want to jump right into it.
237. 16:36What is your initial reaction?
238. 16:39or I'd say the reaction you want to share in our audience here
239. 16:42to what transpired in our country this past Tuesday
240. 16:46and continuing frankly, thanks to California.
241. 16:47Yeah, well, I appreciate it, man.
242. 16:50I think there's a lot of layers to it, right?
243. 16:53I mean, first and foremost, I think,
244. 16:55man, praise God, that he's given us a chance.
245. 17:01Part of what I think what we're seeing in the election results
246. 17:05is that there are not as many crazy people in America
247. 17:10as sometimes the leftist media outlets let us to believe,
248. 17:14as hard as our universities have been working
249. 17:16to indoctrinate the rising generation.
250. 17:19There still were people who were more anti-socialist
251. 17:22than pro-socialist.
252. 17:24So overall, really positive, I think that's great news.
253. 17:27But I think it revealed a lot of challenges
254. 17:31that lay ahead for us as Christians.
255. 17:33I feel a little bit like maybe the Nehemiah, right?
256. 17:38That we now have a leader, a godly leader
257. 17:41who maybe is not gonna be the one
258. 17:44who is gonna promote and fight for God's standards
259. 17:47and righteousness necessarily.
260. 17:48Now I'm not trying to disparage President Trump at all,
261. 17:50but the reality is that Nehemiah went
262. 17:53and he was able to do the work God called him to do
263. 17:57because he had a king that favored
264. 18:00and supported the work he was doing,
265. 18:02but didn't necessarily do the work for him.
266. 18:03And I think that's part of what we are seeing
267. 18:05with the role right now of Christians in the church.
268. 18:07When I look at a lot of what happened on election night,
269. 18:11specifically with ballot measures as a great example,
270. 18:14there were 10 states that were looking at the issue of life,
271. 18:17specifically abortion.
272. 18:18It should abortion be banned in those states
273. 18:20and seven of the 10 states voted to remove restrictions
274. 18:24on abortion in their states.
275. 18:25Florida is one of the big victories people point to
276. 18:28because Governor DeSantis worked so hard
277. 18:30to stop the abortion movement in Florida.
278. 18:34And ultimately he won,
279. 18:36but he won because of threshold was 60%.
280. 18:39That's right.
281. 18:40And there were 57 plus percent of people in Florida
282. 18:45that supported removing any kind of restrictions
283. 18:48on abortion, which is just kind of mind boggling.
284. 18:51When you're talking about no restrictions on abortion,
285. 18:53you're talking like third trimester and all.
286. 18:56That a woman who's 38, 39, 40 weeks into this pregnancy
287. 19:00decides, yeah, I don't really want this baby anymore. They can go and a doctor will murder
288. 19:04that unborn child. And when you look at the nations of the world that allow abortion and
289. 19:09the third trimester, it's like five. Yeah. And pretty much they're all communist nations,
290. 19:13right? It's that that's not the category that we would want to be in. But the reason I pointed
291. 19:17out is because Florida, again, as an example, is considered one of the reddest, the most conservative
292. 19:25state and certainly one of the states that has a very high Christian percentage. And when you have
293. 19:31the majority of one of the reddest, most conservative, most Christian states in the nation and 57 plus
294. 19:38percent of the voter supported abortion, it indicates that there's a lot of work for the church to do
295. 19:43that that polling from George Barna, looking at the election in general, identified that 42 percent
296. 19:49that have active church going evangelicals.
297. 19:53It's almost half, 42% supported abortion without restrictions.
298. 19:58It tells me a lot that the church has not done
299. 20:01a good job of making disciples.
300. 20:04And so there's a lot of work to do,
301. 20:06but looking overall, the fact that we have Donald Trump
302. 20:09and not Kamala Harris is a gift from God.
303. 20:12And so part of my thinking coming away from it,
304. 20:15recognizing God's given us a gift,
305. 20:16part of the gift he's given us is a respite.
306. 20:19We have an opportunity over the next several years,
307. 20:21because under Kamala Harris,
308. 20:23there was a threat of not the freedom of speech,
309. 20:26of not the freedom of religious expression,
310. 20:28and people actually being able to take a stand
311. 20:30on their religious beliefs,
312. 20:31because you could have been charged
313. 20:33with whatever kind of hate crimes and bigotry,
314. 20:35and whatever else there might have been,
315. 20:36just for saying that we believe there's two genders, right?
316. 20:39Or I mean, whatever it is,
317. 20:40as crazy as some of those arguments and statements
318. 20:42were coming from her side, her camp, her regime,
319. 20:46God's given us a respite.
320. 20:47but if it's Christians, if we don't steward
321. 20:49this next four years well,
322. 20:51if we don't work to advance biblical truth
323. 20:54in the gospel message,
324. 20:55then we will have squandered the opportunity
325. 20:58that God's given us.
326. 20:59So first and foremost, man, praise God
327. 21:01that we have a chance that God's given us a leader,
328. 21:04maybe not that we deserve based on some
329. 21:06of what America's been doing,
330. 21:07but God's given us grace in this moment.
331. 21:10And I think now there's a mandate that as Christians,
332. 21:12we need to steward this moment well over the next four years
333. 21:16and help restore some of a biblical foundation,
334. 21:18even inside the church,
335. 21:19and maybe especially inside the church,
336. 21:21or we will not have stewarded this moment well.
337. 21:24Well said, you know what?
338. 21:26I shared similar sentiments Tuesday night,
339. 21:29on election night coverage.
340. 21:30And I've said the same thing here.
341. 21:32This is a moment where God has bestowed His mercy upon us,
342. 21:35but it's a mercy that is provided to allow us to work.
343. 21:42Because just to be candid,
344. 21:44and I don't want to be over-broad in what I say,
345. 21:48because I know that there is a remnant,
346. 21:49but generally speaking, we have gotten to this place
347. 21:52in our nation's history by there not necessarily
348. 21:55being effective disciple making across the generations.
349. 21:59I know there have been exceptions to that,
350. 22:01but when you point out things like you just shared,
351. 22:03and I shared literally the exact same thing here
352. 22:05on my program that Florida's abortion,
353. 22:08and this is what I want people to understand,
354. 22:11is not just a casual vote,
355. 22:12It is to amend their state constitutions.
356. 22:15It is to amend their state constitutions
357. 22:17to allow the unfettered slaughter of unborn children.
358. 22:22And in Florida, it failed only because 60% didn't agree to it.
359. 22:2757 plus percent did agree to it.
360. 22:30This is indicative of where we are.
361. 22:32And so I have been kind of shouting it out from the rooftops.
362. 22:37We shouldn't misinterpret this moment
363. 22:40even in what you rightly pointed out
364. 22:42that there are not as many socialists
365. 22:46or people willing to vote for socialists,
366. 22:47at least this time around as it hasn't been in the past,
367. 22:49when you look at the battleground states,
368. 22:51President Trump only won by two to three point
369. 22:53in most of the states.
370. 22:55There's some where he won overwhelmingly
371. 22:56in terms of the vote, but it's only two to three points.
372. 22:59So there's still a whole lot of people in our country
373. 23:02that were like, yeah, we want more of what Carmilla Harris
374. 23:04has to offer.
375. 23:06Guys, we have work to do, and it is,
376. 23:09my point is not to be a wet blanket
377. 23:11on people's excitement, but to be an accurately
378. 23:15assessed what's happening, and to be so reminded about it,
379. 23:17about it, but be responsive to what we understand
380. 23:20from a biblical worldview.
381. 23:21That makes sense.
382. 23:23And I would, I completely agree first of all,
383. 23:26and everybody listening, I mean,
384. 23:28Abe, you and I have known each other for years,
385. 23:29we're very good friends.
386. 23:31One of the things I think I appreciate so much about you
387. 23:33is that we have such a similar perspective
388. 23:36when it comes to we think as Christians,
389. 23:38you should read the Bible and do what it says, right?
390. 23:40Like your behavior, your theology should be formed based on what the word of God says.
391. 23:46And so it allows us to align so well on some of these thoughts, some of our perspective.
392. 23:50And with that being said, as we are looking at what happened, in a lot of regards, we dodged a bullet significantly.
393. 23:59But if we celebrate now that we didn't write, like get shot by this bullet that happened
394. 24:05and forget the fact that we are still in the midst of a cultural war because the other side is not going to stop
395. 24:12promoting the secularist
396. 24:15Socialist agenda and so if we think as Christians that hey, no no God answer our prayers. Let's let's sit back now and rejoice
397. 24:21No, this is not the moment right you dodged a bullet that you okay now
398. 24:25Let me just stay in the foxhole. No the war is still raging around you. There is still a spiritual battle
399. 24:30They're still a cultural war raging around us.
400. 24:33And as we are looking, I think, especially as a believer,
401. 24:37as I look reflectively at where the nation is,
402. 24:40I rejoice in many respects,
403. 24:43but I recognize the work to be done
404. 24:45because for many churches,
405. 24:50the focus of the church is that they feel like
406. 24:53there's an evangelism mandate.
407. 24:54And not that we shouldn't be working to reach
408. 24:57lost souls and bring them into the kingdom,
409. 25:00But the reality is we should understand the evangelism mandate is helping get people to the starting blocks of the race.
410. 25:08And now we have to help them understand that the Bible has given us guidance on now we learn to run the race with perseverance that is set before us.
411. 25:14Now we learn to crucify the flesh and sinful desires and we walk in the spirit.
412. 25:18Now we learn that the old man passes away and all things become new, but there's now a process in this discipleship because Jesus said, go make disciples of all nations.
413. 25:26And then he said, teach them to obey everything I've commanded.
414. 25:29everything. We do it. We do a much better job inside of the church as a whole because in America,
415. 25:36there's 384,000 approximate churches and senior pastors in America. And I would argue just based
416. 25:43on the data on the stats and we follow this pretty closely that most churches, if they focus on
417. 25:49either of these, the focus is far more on what they consider the evangelism mandate instead of
418. 25:55the discipleship mandate. And the reason I bring that up is because if the church doesn't focus on
419. 25:58and discipling our kids in the rising generation, the world will.
420. 26:02And part of what we are seeing now, even in the voting block, why is it?
421. 26:06I mean, genuinely, why is it as a Christian?
422. 26:09If we would read this idea of what does the Bible say, for example,
423. 26:13we've talked about a little bit, the issue of life, well,
424. 26:16who does the Bible say is the author and giver of life?
425. 26:19God, who does the Bible say forms and knits us together in our mother's womb?
426. 26:23God, who does the Bible say had a plan for us even before we were formed
427. 26:27before I formed you, I knew you the Bible says.
428. 26:30So like whose idea was pregnancy?
429. 26:32Got.
430. 26:33So if you read scripture and you see all this is from God,
431. 26:37and then you see that, well, there's two movements.
432. 26:39One movement is to bring life and birth that child.
433. 26:43One movement is to kill that child.
434. 26:45And you go, okay, now what does the Bible say?
435. 26:47Who comes that you may have life and have it more,
436. 26:48funnily, who comes to steal, kill, and destroy?
437. 26:53I'm literally just looking at this.
438. 26:55I don't see how this could be as complicated
439. 26:58sometimes as we've pretended like it is in some of the Christian circle.
440. 27:02But I think that the challenge is not that it's necessarily as complicated as we've
441. 27:05made it. The challenge is that the church is not discipled in every area of culture
442. 27:10that the church chooses not to engage in the devil is happy to have it.
443. 27:15And this is I think now where we see this this chasm, this split in America.
444. 27:21It's a reflection of what the church has chosen not to engage in.
445. 27:25And I would even argue further that if we look at the mandate of the church, like why does God have the church?
446. 27:31Well, the Bible says that the church is to equip the saints for the work of the ministry, which even now is interesting
447. 27:38because if we think about that well, we should be making disciples, I don't disagree.
448. 27:41The church should focus on making disciples, but actually the church should focus on equipping
449. 27:46the body to be able to go and make disciples. And so
450. 27:50So often churches say, hey, you know what,
451. 27:53we wanna make it easy for you to bring your friends
452. 27:54so they can learn about Jesus.
453. 27:56If my friends haven't heard about Jesus from me
454. 27:59and we've been friends for however many years,
455. 28:02I am a terrible Christian because I have not shared
456. 28:06my faith with any of my friends.
457. 28:07What have I been doing for all the years
458. 28:09I've been friends with them?
459. 28:10I should not be a closet Christian for my friends.
460. 28:12But if I think because what I've heard from my church
461. 28:15is I should just bring my friends to church
462. 28:16and the church, that's their job
463. 28:18to tell them about Jesus.
464. 28:20their job introduced them, the churches confused their role, because they're not equipping the
465. 28:24saints with the work of the ministry. And then they've confused what should be my role as a believer.
466. 28:29It's not my church's job to reach my friends. God gave me my friends so that I could reach my friends.
467. 28:35Right? God put them within my circle of influence. So I think we've confused a lot of areas inside the
468. 28:40church. And I think we've misunderstood even part of the mandate when it comes to as a Christian,
469. 28:47It's not an evangelism mandate, it's a discipleship mandate.
470. 28:49And I'm saying this knowing that we're talking about elections
471. 28:53and results and what we do going forward.
472. 28:56But I think if Christians don't understand this
473. 28:58and get this right, then it's only a matter of time.
474. 29:01If you remove a biblical standard,
475. 29:03and this is what while we spend so much time
476. 29:05talking about the religious and world foundation
477. 29:07of this nation, George Washington is farewell addressed.
478. 29:09But that religion morality doesn't work.
479. 29:10George Washington, then at the end of his presidency,
480. 29:13John Adams becomes president,
481. 29:15and John Adams the following year has this really famous letter
482. 29:18to the militia of Massachusetts,
483. 29:19where he says our constitution was made only
484. 29:21for immoral and religious people.
485. 29:22And both of those, Washington's farewell address
486. 29:24and John Adams letter to the militia of Massachusetts
487. 29:27are brilliant for lots of reasons,
488. 29:29but it's so clear that religion and morality
489. 29:31are the foundation.
490. 29:32And if you remove the foundation,
491. 29:34America doesn't long last.
492. 29:35And part of what religion and morality does,
493. 29:37Christianity and the Bible,
494. 29:39they offer an objective moral standard
495. 29:42for how to function in life.
496. 29:43And when we are removing an objective moral standard,
497. 29:46when we can't say that there's two genders as male and female,
498. 29:49we can't say that it's an unborn child
499. 29:51and that child is from God, created by God,
500. 29:55and we should be protecting and defending that unborn child.
501. 29:57If we lose a moral bearing, an objective moral standard,
502. 30:02then we will not be able to function
503. 30:04and exist as a nation going forward.
504. 30:06And this is part of what even for people that care
505. 30:09and think, well, I just really care about,
506. 30:11the government, I'm not trying to do this faith Christian thing. I'm not trying to deal
507. 30:15with all that right now. Well, understand, if there is no faith Christian thing, there
508. 30:18can be no American form and system of government because it was built on this faith and Christian
509. 30:22thing. And so if as Christians, if we don't start engaging people to understand that biblical
510. 30:28perspective, a biblical worldview, then the American experiment will die in this generation.
511. 30:33And by the way, I think it was on its way to dying because that's what secularism does.
512. 30:38kills the Constitution. I think God has given us a chance. I think God has given us a respite.
513. 30:45And this is where I'm talking about that we should steward it well. This is part of what
514. 30:48I mean because our Constitution was made only for a moral and a religious people. It was made
515. 30:53only for people that understand Christianity and biblical principles. It doesn't work any
516. 30:58other way. And that's not my idea. That's George Washington and John Adams idea. And
517. 31:02I think they're exactly right. And this is where I think we as Christians have to begin
518. 31:07And to understand and recognize we have to stand up courageously speak up and speak out, because
519. 31:12if we don't start helping restore a biblical and a moral foundation, it's only a matter
520. 31:17of time before freedom is lost.
521. 31:20And Ronald Reagan told us if freedom is lost here, right?
522. 31:24This is the last best hope.
523. 31:25There's nowhere else we're retreating to if freedom is lost here.
524. 31:28And this is not an American pride statement.
525. 31:30It's a reality of understanding.
526. 31:31Look at the rest of the world.
527. 31:33Nobody else was built in this foundation.
528. 31:35It was America.
529. 31:36You're absolutely right.
530. 31:37And I want to be clear when you say restoring this foundation.
531. 31:42You're talking about, and I wholeheartedly agree,
532. 31:45you'll be surprised how much of what you just said.
533. 31:47I have been saying, no, you won't be surprised.
534. 31:49When you talk about restoring the foundation,
535. 31:50you're talking about the hearts and minds of our people.
536. 31:54There is no preservation of liberty
537. 31:57without preserving the reverence for the Liberator.
538. 32:01The blessings of liberty flow from a bless Lord.
539. 32:05We should not be surprised as our populace becomes increasingly wicked,
540. 32:10that they also increasingly seek to cast off our distinction
541. 32:16as the Constitution of Republican form of government that we have.
542. 32:19We shouldn't be surprised because that is the inevitable consequence
543. 32:23of rejecting the blessor who provides liberty.
544. 32:26The Hamilton Quarter Podcast and One-Minute Commentaries
545. 32:39are available at eFR.net.
546. 32:41back to the Hamilton Corner on American Family Radio.
547. 32:46Welcome back to the Hamilton Corner, Abraham Hamilton the third.
548. 32:49My guest is Tim Barton, president of Wall Builders,
549. 32:52and we're having a conversation,
550. 32:55an necessary conversation.
551. 32:57I think the most important conversation, frankly,
552. 32:59to be had following the 2024 election results.
553. 33:03And what we're talking about is the fact that God granted
554. 33:06our nation a reprieve.
555. 33:07He's granted us a respite.
556. 33:09And we need to respond appropriately and accordingly to this respite.
557. 33:14And Tim, you brought up George Washington and then John Adams,
558. 33:19and they're referenced in the necessity of biblical morality,
559. 33:23undergirding our society in order to maintain this
560. 33:26experiment of individual liberty, this thing that the founders articulated in the
561. 33:30preamble in order to form a more perfect union and to secure
562. 33:33generationally what God has done in your reference to George Washington.
563. 33:37in his farewell address, he explained it.
564. 33:39They're brilliant, as you mentioned, for a host of reasons,
565. 33:41but he identified the generational cultivation
566. 33:48of submission to God as being synonymous with patriotism.
567. 33:53Literally saying, in vain, would a person claim
568. 33:58the virtue of patriotism if they worked
569. 34:01within our Constitution, the Republican government
570. 34:04to establishment to subvert religion and morality.
571. 34:07Yet what we've had generationally,
572. 34:09I remember when your dad came to my church in New Orleans
573. 34:11when I was a teenager and he had the diagram,
574. 34:14the chart on the wall to show what's happening on our nation
575. 34:16after prayer was taken out of schools,
576. 34:18how the godlessness was amplified and expedited
577. 34:22as we consistently rejected God
578. 34:24in various metrics of our society.
579. 34:26And yet we see people as surprised,
580. 34:28like waxing almost apoplecticly surprised
581. 34:32at what happened to our country.
582. 34:34because we, I won't not only say lost our bearings,
583. 34:37in many way we have rejected and disavowed our bearings
584. 34:41and yet wanna maintain the benefit of what God produces
585. 34:45while rejecting the God who produces those benefits.
586. 34:48Yeah, and it's so interesting when we look,
587. 34:51especially in modern America,
588. 34:52there's a lot of, for example, in political parties
589. 34:55and I'm kind of rabbit trailing,
590. 34:57but I'm gonna bring it all back in the midst of this weave.
591. 35:01If you look at the Republican Party, for example,
592. 35:04There are a lot of different ideologies,
593. 35:07especially this time behind President Trump,
594. 35:10when you have Elon Musk and Joe Rogan
595. 35:13and Vivek Ramaswami and RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabrit.
596. 35:16I mean, you talk about a coalition.
597. 35:17This is incredible to see that the Republican Party
598. 35:21really has become the party of unity in so many ways.
599. 35:24And that's incredible in a lot of regards.
600. 35:27The founding fathers, when they came together,
601. 35:29they were a very diverse group of people.
602. 35:31And I think people sometimes forget,
603. 35:33the founding fathers, the thing they did more
604. 35:36than anything else was argue.
605. 35:37If you go to the Continental Congress,
606. 35:39they argued about everything.
607. 35:41If you go to the Constitution Convention,
608. 35:42they argued so much, but there's a brilliant letter
609. 35:45from John Adams to Jefferson in 1813,
610. 35:48where at this point, it's nearly 40 years past
611. 35:51when the first Continental Congress met,
612. 35:53and he was looking back reflecting,
613. 35:54and he said that the thing that brought them all together,
614. 35:59the unifying factor for them,
615. 36:00he said the principle is on which the fathers
616. 36:03achieved independence were the principles of Christianity.
617. 36:06And what he acknowledges where we found,
618. 36:08and in the midst of our arguing,
619. 36:09where we found common ground
620. 36:10where the principles of Christianity,
621. 36:12well, it was those principles that led to the ideas
622. 36:13and the declaration that we owed these truths
623. 36:15to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,
624. 36:17they're endowed by their credit with certain
625. 36:18and inable rights that among these are life, liberty,
626. 36:20the pursuit of happiness, that to secure these rights,
627. 36:22that's why governments trust you among men.
628. 36:24Their basic premise was that there's a God,
629. 36:27our rights come from God,
630. 36:29and that government exists to protect those rights.
631. 36:31Now part of why this is so important.
632. 36:33When George Washington talked about religion and morality
633. 36:36are the indispensable supports,
634. 36:37George John Adams says that it's religion and morality,
635. 36:40that's the only thing that less our constitution work.
636. 36:42The reason that matters is because it was the principles
637. 36:45of Christianity that taught them those things.
638. 36:47And if we now have this incredible coalition
639. 36:50in this new Republican party,
640. 36:53if they don't recognize that there is a God
641. 36:56and that our rights come from God
642. 36:58and that governments or else protect those rights,
643. 37:00that then we're going to see a government of things they can tell us what we can and can't do
644. 37:04and we're going to lose that idea and I'm saying this because of so several people in that coalition
645. 37:10there's several that would I mean that that grandma swam me for example he's a Hindu now Hindu have
646. 37:15lots of different gods and he says no I only believe in one god now it's interesting he's never told us
647. 37:19which of the Hindu gods he believes in right like that's kind of interesting but but here's what's
648. 37:25interesting going back to the founding fathers if you read Washington's farewell as a resident I know
649. 37:29I know you have, I encourage everybody else, read it again.
650. 37:31It's amazing.
651. 37:32Washington gives advice for success in the future of America.
652. 37:35And part of it, he says, hey, avoid foreign entanglements.
653. 37:38Don't get involved in all these foreign wars.
654. 37:39He said avoid debt.
655. 37:40That's, you're gonna have so many problems.
656. 37:42If you put on national debt, he said, make sure that you love
657. 37:45principal more than you love party.
658. 37:47I mean, so many good pieces of advice, but it's quite fascinating
659. 37:52that when he says that religion and morality
660. 37:55are the indispensable supports.
661. 37:57Indispensable supports means these are the one thing
662. 37:59you can't succeed without.
663. 38:00And the only thing he said, you cannot succeed without
664. 38:03is religion morality.
665. 38:05That's what John Adams later said
666. 38:06were the principles of Christianity.
667. 38:08And so everybody out there listening was like,
668. 38:10well, I think we need to prioritize all these other things
669. 38:12first, if you don't have an underpinning moral foundation,
670. 38:16then the free market's not gonna work well.
671. 38:19Because if you don't have moral people,
672. 38:21then they're gonna be dishonest and they're gonna cheat
673. 38:23and there's gonna be corruption and genuinely,
674. 38:26the only solution is well, then you have to have more laws.
675. 38:28When more laws means more government encroachment,
676. 38:30which means you don't have a limited government anymore.
677. 38:32And then the more that government does,
678. 38:34the more we're gonna lose our rights.
679. 38:36And this is the battle.
680. 38:37And this is why when John Adams says,
681. 38:39our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people.
682. 38:41It's because our Constitution was built
683. 38:43on giving freedom to people.
684. 38:44But freedom only works if you have an underpinning
685. 38:46of moral people, because if you get freedom to immoral people,
686. 38:49that looks like Chicago on any given weekend, right?
687. 38:52Like that's not a good looking scenario.
688. 38:55So it has to be a moral foundation, which is why,
689. 38:58as we are excited about maybe having a protected
690. 39:03southern border, we can become a nation again.
691. 39:05We're excited about changing some of the economic structure
692. 39:07and reducing debt.
693. 39:08It's interesting that all the things we'd be excited about
694. 39:12have a moral underpinning to them.
695. 39:14And to pretend and presume that so much of what we care about
696. 39:19for those that feel like, well, I'm not really, you know,
697. 39:21faith is not what I vote on.
698. 39:23understand there's a moral underpinning to everything we do.
699. 39:26Every law that has passed is from a moral perspective.
700. 39:29It's because somebody thinks this is right or this is wrong.
701. 39:31Every single law has a moral underpinning.
702. 39:33And it's only a question of whose morals are we going to support
703. 39:36and whose morals are we going to promote?
704. 39:39And there's never been a greater moral teacher than Jesus.
705. 39:42And so either there's an objective moral standard
706. 39:44that we follow of right and wrong,
707. 39:45the stealing is wrong, that that that murder is wrong,
708. 39:48that rape is wrong, there's an objective moral standard,
709. 39:50or it becomes subjective.
710. 39:51And then it's up to every individual.
711. 39:53And that is a catastrophic failure
712. 39:55every time it's tried and applied.
713. 39:57You can say maybe collectively,
714. 39:58society we vote on it.
715. 39:59But I would point out that for the vast majority
716. 40:02of recorded human history,
717. 40:04every single nation in the world
718. 40:06approved the idea of enslaving humans.
719. 40:09That was universally accepted in the world
720. 40:11up until like the last hundred years.
721. 40:13It's now frowned upon for most of the world.
722. 40:16If we rely on man to come up
723. 40:18with their ideas of right and wrong,
724. 40:19They don't always come up with the most moral standard.
725. 40:21You need an objective standard outside of us
726. 40:24that we are relying on,
727. 40:25and this is not to take away again.
728. 40:27I am rejoicing for what God did.
729. 40:30The prayers that God answered,
730. 40:32and the new leaders that we have,
731. 40:35that we now, we can have a deeper breath,
732. 40:37that hopefully God willing,
733. 40:39we don't lose all of our paycheck at the grocery store.
734. 40:41It's not as expensive to fill up with gas.
735. 40:43I am very hopeful for lots of things,
736. 40:45and I'm rejoicing, but I understand that the Bible tells us
737. 40:49that righteousness exaltination.
738. 40:50I understand what makes a nation successful.
739. 40:52And it's not just having a different economic leader.
740. 40:56No, the Bible says righteousness.
741. 40:57Now you can have righteous economic policies
742. 40:59and ungodly economic policies.
743. 41:01You can have righteous immigration policies
744. 41:02and ungodly immigration policies.
745. 41:04Righteousness involves a lot,
746. 41:07but it's not just changing your political leaders
747. 41:10that makes a nation great, it's righteousness.
748. 41:13And so if we're gonna make America great again,
749. 41:15understand what makes a nation great in the first place,
750. 41:17The Bible says, righteousness exaltination.
751. 41:20Now, I love the idea of making America great again,
752. 41:22but you can only make it great again
753. 41:23if you know it made it great in the first place.
754. 41:26And that was the biblical foundation,
755. 41:28righteousness exaltination.
756. 41:30And this is why the challenge now for us as Christians,
757. 41:32rejoice in this moment.
758. 41:33I mean, genuinely I'm rejoicing, I'm praising God.
759. 41:35It's amazing, rejoice in this moment,
760. 41:38but don't lose focus of the reality
761. 41:42that we still have a culture in a nation
762. 41:44that is rejecting moral standards,
763. 41:45that is rejecting biblical truth.
764. 41:47And if we don't work to help change and correct that,
765. 41:51if we don't work to restore that foundation,
766. 41:53the Bible tells us the foundation is destroyed.
767. 41:56It asks the question, what can the righteous do?
768. 41:57And it's kind of rhetorical
769. 41:58because there's not much you can do
770. 42:00if you lose the foundation,
771. 42:02we have to work to restore that foundation.
772. 42:05So well said.
773. 42:06And when we talk about things like,
774. 42:08I know they call it progressivism,
775. 42:11I call it regressiveism,
776. 42:13the contrast between regressivism and conservatism,
777. 42:16What are you conserving?
778. 42:17You're conserving the idea of the individual,
779. 42:19the liberty of the individual.
780. 42:20Well, the fact is individual liberty,
781. 42:22which was a radical departure for what popular ideas
782. 42:26that our founders embraced,
783. 42:28well, that individual liberty was derived
784. 42:31from the biblical notion of the Imago dei.
785. 42:33It is because every individual is made in the image of God,
786. 42:37that's why the individual has certain unalienable rights.
787. 42:40We've talked about in this program,
788. 42:41when Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration Committee,
789. 42:46Approved the reference to the laws of nature and nature's God
790. 42:50Everybody at that time here would have understood them referring to the laws of God of the Bible
791. 42:54Everybody would understand that just like you you described previously
792. 42:57And so I want to make sure that the people understand that
793. 43:01What got us into the quagmire that we're rejoicing that God has given us a respite from is our nation's
794. 43:09consistent unimpeded
795. 43:11almost headlong, penchant toward attempting to cultivate a normalized godlessness in our nation.
796. 43:18There's no way that we are going to preserve liberty if we reject the God who has given us
797. 43:25liberty. So if we are going to do it well, the reprieve that God has granted us,
798. 43:30we must have a reinvigorated fervor to obey what God instructed us to do all along,
799. 43:36which is to execute his commission, teaching people, encouraging people to obey him comprehensively.
800. 43:42God has given us wisdom and instruction for how to love our neighbor. God has given us wisdom
801. 43:46instruction for how to manage finances. God has given us wisdom and instruction for things that can
802. 43:51be extrapolated and applied to national policy, but we will not be a great nation if we reject him
803. 43:57at every point. And to add on to that, I would add one verse from Deuteronomy 6 verse 24. Deuteronomy
804. 44:04He writes Moses is farewell address to Israelize.
805. 44:06He knows he's not going to the promised land.
806. 44:08He writes this as a guidance for them.
807. 44:10And in Deuteronomy 624, he tells them,
808. 44:12observe all the commands God gave you
809. 44:14for there for your good always.
810. 44:17It's interesting, he lays out.
811. 44:19The reason God's, why did God say, don't commit adultery?
812. 44:22Because it's gonna hurt your marriage
813. 44:24and God wants you to have a great marriage.
814. 44:25Like why did God say these things?
815. 44:27Everything God said was for our good.
816. 44:29God gave us guidance on how to have a great marriage,
817. 44:31how to raise a great family, how to be a good employer,
818. 44:34a good employer, God gave us guidance on every issue,
819. 44:37including even on our economics, on our immigration,
820. 44:40on things pertaining to our nation,
821. 44:42the Bible gives us guidance.
822. 44:44And the reason God said what he said,
823. 44:45it was for our good.
824. 44:47So the idea that maybe some of God's commands seem,
825. 44:51you know, it's too restricting.
826. 44:52And I feel like this and think this,
827. 44:54we can think different things.
828. 44:56And we are free to do that.
829. 44:57The Bible shows very clearly God gives us choice.
830. 45:00but Proverb says twice,
831. 45:02there's a way that seems right to man,
832. 45:04but the end thereof is death.
833. 45:06The destruction.
834. 45:07There's two options.
835. 45:08You can do it God's way and feel like,
836. 45:10well, I'm not sure I like this the most,
837. 45:11or you can do it our own way,
838. 45:13but both of those roads have a final destination.
839. 45:16And God's plan was that we would enjoy God's blessings,
840. 45:21that we would enjoy life and life more abundantly,
841. 45:23the fullness of what God offers,
842. 45:25or we can do it our own way,
843. 45:26but the thief comes to steal, kill, and destroy.
844. 45:29The end of the other path is death and destruction.
845. 45:32And if we want America to enjoy blessings,
846. 45:34if we want our family to enjoy blessings,
847. 45:36if I want to be blessed as a husband, as a father,
848. 45:39as a leader, then I'm gonna read the word of God
849. 45:41and do what it says,
850. 45:42because God not only gives me guidance on what to do,
851. 45:45God tells me how to be successful
852. 45:47and what I'm trying to accomplish.
853. 45:49God's ways are for our good always Deuteronomy 624.
854. 45:55Well said, now I know people listening to us right now
855. 45:57would think about our society and say, man, you know, you all are talking, this is a huge
856. 46:01job that has to happen. And I would simply respond to that. You know how we are to respond?
857. 46:06One person at a time. When you look at the scope of what's necessary for our nation, Tim,
858. 46:10what would you say to the person who would say, well, man, but it's a Herculean effort we'd have to
859. 46:14employ in order to do what you guys are talking about? Yeah, our name, all builders comes from the
860. 46:18Bible story of Nehemiah. Nehemiah was the cup bearer of the king. He was one of the Israelites,
861. 46:22was enslaved by the Babylonians. And he's the one that felt God called him to go rebuild the walls
862. 46:26of Jerusalem, people said, it's too big.
863. 46:28You can't do it.
864. 46:29And he said, look, I just want anybody that's willing to come
865. 46:31with me.
866. 46:31We're going to go on this journey together.
867. 46:32They go to Jerusalem.
868. 46:33They live inside the walls, and they just
869. 46:35start building their own backyard.
870. 46:36Everybody just put a stone up behind your house.
871. 46:39And in 52 days, they did what people thought
872. 46:41was impossible when they worked together.
873. 46:44And one of the challenges that I would give everybody listening,
874. 46:47God has not called you to solve America's problems.
875. 46:50God's called you to make a difference with where God's
876. 46:52planted you.
877. 46:54But if every Christian said, okay,
878. 46:56I'm gonna focus on where God has me.
879. 46:58If every church said we're gonna focus on our community,
880. 47:00well, there's churches in every community.
881. 47:02If every church focused in their community,
882. 47:04every community would be taken care of.
883. 47:06And all of a sudden the wall could be rebuilt in record time.
884. 47:10That's the biblical model.
885. 47:11It's a grassroots effort.
886. 47:12Everybody work on where God has planted you,
887. 47:15do the job where you are and let God do the rest.
888. 47:19Amen.
889. 47:20Everybody listening to me, listening to Tim,
890. 47:23Get your sword, get your trowel, build right where you are.
891. 47:27And as the Lord moves us, as I referred to earlier from Nehemiah 4-6,
892. 47:32God gave them a unified investment in the mind committed to work.
893. 47:35The Lord can do the very same in our day, but it starts with each one of us individually.
894. 47:39And if we would start where we are, and then band together with those where we are,
895. 47:43build brick by brick, home by home, community by community,
896. 47:47it's amazing what God can do. 52 days.
897. 47:50They had no idea what could be done in 52 days.
898. 47:53What we think may take forever, it's amazing what God can do
899. 47:56because we not only have our ability,
900. 47:59we have his empowerment.
901. 48:01The Lord has not given us this reprieve to be squandered.
902. 48:04Let's take full advantage of it.
903. 48:06The views and opinions expressed in this broadcast
904. 48:12may not necessarily reflect those of the American Family
905. 48:15Association or American Family Radio.